OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-13 Thread rebecca officer
I'm pretty sure you can't do this with recent Reader versions for Windows. We 
used to, but now we provide an installation file and I'm pretty sure we changed 
because the software required the change.

As you may have guessed, I don't deal with this bit of our process. The person 
who does is on leave now, but I could get more info from him in a fortnight if 
you want me to.

Cheers, Rebecca

>>> "David Bills"  04/13/06 12:21 PM >>>
Hi Everyone,

I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the manual 
CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall have 
Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by using 
the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but didn't find 
any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs directly from the 
CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this information on Adobe's 
site, would you please send me the URL.

Thanks in advance,

Dave Bills
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OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-13 Thread rebecca officer
I'm pretty sure you can't do this with recent Reader versions for Windows. We 
used to, but now we provide an installation file and I'm pretty sure we changed 
because the software required the change.

As you may have guessed, I don't deal with this bit of our process. The person 
who does is on leave now, but I could get more info from him in a fortnight if 
you want me to.

Cheers, Rebecca

>>> "David Bills"  04/13/06 12:21 PM >>>
Hi Everyone,

I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the manual 
CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall have 
Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by using 
the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but didn't find 
any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs directly from the 
CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this information on Adobe's 
site, would you please send me the URL.

Thanks in advance,

Dave Bills
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Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-13 Thread Alan Litchfield
Hmm. They more than likely meant that they didn't people to install software
on their computer just so they could read the files on the CD.

Seems to me:
1. Whoever wrote the RFP may have limited/no understanding of the requirements
of multiple platforms when publishing on CDROM.
2. Whoever wrote the RFP possibly assumes the CDROM will only ever be run on
one platform.
3. Whoever wrote the RFP may not understand that a program is often integrated
with its OS, which makes it difficult to distribute a program that has not
been installed into that environment.

Of course, there are more programs around than just Reader that can open and
display the contents of a PDF. Depends on what other features they need, like
bookmarks, etc. And it depends on what platform(s) you are distributing for.

Cheers
Alan

Joanne Curme said:
> They probably meant they want a compatible version of Reader included on the
> CD-ROM so users can install Reader from the CD. They want to avoid the
> situation of users being unable to read the docs because they don't have the
> right Reader. It also means users won't need an Internet connection to hunt
> for and download the right version of Reader.
>
> Joanne
>
>
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> [mailto:framers-bounces+joanne=exeros.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
> Of
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> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:22 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the
> manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall
> have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by
> using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
> didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
> directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
> information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Dave Bills
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Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-13 Thread Roberts, Katie
I include a readme file with a link to the Adobe website and suggest
that download directly from Adobe.



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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+kroberts=ohmartvega@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+kroberts=ohmartvega.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Alan Litchfield
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:23 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

Hmm. They more than likely meant that they didn't people to install
software on their computer just so they could read the files on the CD.

Seems to me:
1. Whoever wrote the RFP may have limited/no understanding of the
requirements of multiple platforms when publishing on CDROM.
2. Whoever wrote the RFP possibly assumes the CDROM will only ever be
run on one platform.
3. Whoever wrote the RFP may not understand that a program is often
integrated with its OS, which makes it difficult to distribute a program
that has not been installed into that environment.

Of course, there are more programs around than just Reader that can open
and display the contents of a PDF. Depends on what other features they
need, like bookmarks, etc. And it depends on what platform(s) you are
distributing for.

Cheers
Alan

Joanne Curme said:
> They probably meant they want a compatible version of Reader included 
> on the CD-ROM so users can install Reader from the CD. They want to 
> avoid the situation of users being unable to read the docs because 
> they don't have the right Reader. It also means users won't need an 
> Internet connection to hunt for and download the right version of
Reader.
>
> Joanne
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+joanne=exeros.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+joanne=exeros.com at lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of David Bills
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:22 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the

> manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM

> shall have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read 
> the manual by using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching 
> Adobe's Web site, but didn't find any information on a version of 
> Acrobat Reader that runs directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware 
> of where I can find this information on Adobe's site, would you please
send me the URL.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Dave Bills
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OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM - Thanks!

2006-04-13 Thread David Bills
All,

Thank you for your thoughtful and informative responses. In addition to the 
list posts, Dave Brown provided a URL that describes the process at:
<http://www.indigorose.com/webhelp/ams60/How_do_I/Run_Adobe_Acrobat_Reader_directly_from_the_CD-ROM.htm>

As Peter suggested, we'll check with our Adobe rep and ensure that we're 
complying with their license prior to proceeding. It's a Government 
contract, so the customer will be flexible if there's a licensing issue 
involved.

Thanks again,

Dave Bills


- Original Message - 
From: "David Bills" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:21 PM
Subject: OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM


Hi Everyone,

I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the 
manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall 
have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by 
using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but 
didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs 
directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this 
information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.

Thanks in advance,

Dave Bills
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RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-13 Thread Roberts, Katie
I include a readme file with a link to the Adobe website and suggest
that download directly from Adobe.
 


Katie Roberts
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Cincinnati, OH 
513-272-0524x167
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Albert Einstein 




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Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:23 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

Hmm. They more than likely meant that they didn't people to install
software on their computer just so they could read the files on the CD.

Seems to me:
1. Whoever wrote the RFP may have limited/no understanding of the
requirements of multiple platforms when publishing on CDROM.
2. Whoever wrote the RFP possibly assumes the CDROM will only ever be
run on one platform.
3. Whoever wrote the RFP may not understand that a program is often
integrated with its OS, which makes it difficult to distribute a program
that has not been installed into that environment.

Of course, there are more programs around than just Reader that can open
and display the contents of a PDF. Depends on what other features they
need, like bookmarks, etc. And it depends on what platform(s) you are
distributing for.

Cheers
Alan

Joanne Curme said:
> They probably meant they want a compatible version of Reader included 
> on the CD-ROM so users can install Reader from the CD. They want to 
> avoid the situation of users being unable to read the docs because 
> they don't have the right Reader. It also means users won't need an 
> Internet connection to hunt for and download the right version of
Reader.
>
> Joanne
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of David Bills
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:22 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the

> manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM

> shall have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read 
> the manual by using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching 
> Adobe's Web site, but didn't find any information on a version of 
> Acrobat Reader that runs directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware 
> of where I can find this information on Adobe's site, would you please
send me the URL.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Dave Bills
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OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM - Thanks!

2006-04-13 Thread David Bills

All,

Thank you for your thoughtful and informative responses. In addition to the 
list posts, Dave Brown provided a URL that describes the process at:

<http://www.indigorose.com/webhelp/ams60/How_do_I/Run_Adobe_Acrobat_Reader_directly_from_the_CD-ROM.htm>

As Peter suggested, we'll check with our Adobe rep and ensure that we're 
complying with their license prior to proceeding. It's a Government 
contract, so the customer will be flexible if there's a licensing issue 
involved.


Thanks again,

Dave Bills


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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:21 PM
Subject: OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM


Hi Everyone,

I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the 
manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall 
have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by 
using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but 
didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs 
directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this 
information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.


Thanks in advance,

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Re: OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-13 Thread rebecca officer
I'm pretty sure you can't do this with recent Reader versions for Windows. We 
used to, but now we provide an installation file and I'm pretty sure we changed 
because the software required the change.

As you may have guessed, I don't deal with this bit of our process. The person 
who does is on leave now, but I could get more info from him in a fortnight if 
you want me to.

Cheers, Rebecca

>>> "David Bills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/13/06 12:21 PM >>>
Hi Everyone,

I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the manual 
CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall have 
Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by using 
the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but didn't find 
any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs directly from the 
CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this information on Adobe's 
site, would you please send me the URL.

Thanks in advance,

Dave Bills
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Re: OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-13 Thread rebecca officer
I'm pretty sure you can't do this with recent Reader versions for Windows. We 
used to, but now we provide an installation file and I'm pretty sure we changed 
because the software required the change.

As you may have guessed, I don't deal with this bit of our process. The person 
who does is on leave now, but I could get more info from him in a fortnight if 
you want me to.

Cheers, Rebecca

>>> "David Bills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/13/06 12:21 PM >>>
Hi Everyone,

I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the manual 
CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall have 
Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by using 
the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but didn't find 
any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs directly from the 
CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this information on Adobe's 
site, would you please send me the URL.

Thanks in advance,

Dave Bills
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Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-12 Thread Peter Gold
If there's no information on running Reader from a CD-ROM on the 
Adobe site, and it's not mentioned in the license, and no mention 
especially in the distribution requirements, it's a good bet that 
Adobe doesn't want their product to be distributed this way, even if 
it runs. Although Reader is free, it's not without licence 
requirements.

HTH


Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices


Dave asked:

>  >> I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
>  >> didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
>  >> directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
>  >> information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.
>  >>
>  >> Thanks in advance,
>  >>
>  >> Dave Bills

Diane replied:

At 9:07 PM -0700 4/12/06, Diane Gaskill wrote:
>Dave,
>
>I've done what your RFP asks for, but it was with an older version 
>of Acrobat Reader.
>I installed Reader on the hard disk and then just copied the entire 
>tree to a CD.  It
>worked fine.  However, Adobe has added security features to most of 
>its products
>and I cannot say whether this method will work with the current 
>version of Acrobat.
>But it's worth a try.  BTW, the product I had documented ran only on 
>a Windows system
>so there was no question regarding platforms.




RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-12 Thread Diane Gaskill
When I installed Reader on the CD as I described previously, I called Adobe and 
asked if it was ok to do it that way.  I was assured that it was fine.  All 
they wanted was to make sure that we did not change any of their files.  But 
again, that was several years ago.  It's probably a good idea to call Adobe and 
ask.

Diane

-Original Message-
>From: Peter Gold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Apr 12, 2006 9:32 PM
>To: Diane Gaskill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
>framers@lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>
>If there's no information on running Reader from a CD-ROM on the 
>Adobe site, and it's not mentioned in the license, and no mention 
>especially in the distribution requirements, it's a good bet that 
>Adobe doesn't want their product to be distributed this way, even if 
>it runs. Although Reader is free, it's not without licence 
>requirements.
>
>HTH
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Peter Gold
>KnowHow ProServices
>
>
>Dave asked:
>
>>  >> I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
>>  >> didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
>>  >> directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
>>  >> information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.
>>  >>
>>  >> Thanks in advance,
>>  >>
>>  >> Dave Bills
>
>Diane replied:
>
>At 9:07 PM -0700 4/12/06, Diane Gaskill wrote:
>>Dave,
>>
>>I've done what your RFP asks for, but it was with an older version 
>>of Acrobat Reader.
>>I installed Reader on the hard disk and then just copied the entire 
>>tree to a CD.  It
>>worked fine.  However, Adobe has added security features to most of 
>>its products
>>and I cannot say whether this method will work with the current 
>>version of Acrobat.
>>But it's worth a try.  BTW, the product I had documented ran only on 
>>a Windows system
>>so there was no question regarding platforms.
>

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Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-12 Thread Diane Gaskill
When I installed Reader on the CD as I described previously, I called Adobe and 
asked if it was ok to do it that way.  I was assured that it was fine.  All 
they wanted was to make sure that we did not change any of their files.  But 
again, that was several years ago.  It's probably a good idea to call Adobe and 
ask.

Diane

-Original Message-
>From: Peter Gold 
>Sent: Apr 12, 2006 9:32 PM
>To: Diane Gaskill , alan at alphabyte.co.nz, 
>framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>
>If there's no information on running Reader from a CD-ROM on the 
>Adobe site, and it's not mentioned in the license, and no mention 
>especially in the distribution requirements, it's a good bet that 
>Adobe doesn't want their product to be distributed this way, even if 
>it runs. Although Reader is free, it's not without licence 
>requirements.
>
>HTH
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Peter Gold
>KnowHow ProServices
>
>
>Dave asked:
>
>>  >> I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
>>  >> didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
>>  >> directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
>>  >> information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.
>>  >>
>>  >> Thanks in advance,
>>  >>
>>  >> Dave Bills
>
>Diane replied:
>
>At 9:07 PM -0700 4/12/06, Diane Gaskill wrote:
>>Dave,
>>
>>I've done what your RFP asks for, but it was with an older version 
>>of Acrobat Reader.
>>I installed Reader on the hard disk and then just copied the entire 
>>tree to a CD.  It
>>worked fine.  However, Adobe has added security features to most of 
>>its products
>>and I cannot say whether this method will work with the current 
>>version of Acrobat.
>>But it's worth a try.  BTW, the product I had documented ran only on 
>>a Windows system
>>so there was no question regarding platforms.
>




MORE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-12 Thread Diane Gaskill
I forgot to mention that if Acrobat Reader is already installed on a user's 
system, it does not matter what platform it is.  Any PDF file can be read by 
any version of Acrobat Reader, the same way an FM file is portable across W, U, 
and M platforms.  BTW, I do not mean any release of PDF can be read by any 
release of Reader.  For example, I don't think you can open a PDF 1.5 file with 
Acrobat Reader 3.0. 

- Diane

-Original Message-
>From: Diane Gaskill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Apr 12, 2006 9:07 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], framers@lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>
>Dave, 
>
>I've done what your RFP asks for, but it was with an older version of Acrobat 
>Reader.
>I installed Reader on the hard disk and then just copied the entire tree to a 
>CD.  It
>worked fine.  However, Adobe has added security features to most of its 
>products
>and I cannot say whether this method will work with the current version of 
>Acrobat.
>But it's worth a try.  BTW, the product I had documented ran only on a Windows 
>system
>so there was no question regarding platforms.
>
>I would expect that whoever wrote the RFP has no question about platfrms, and 
>since
>you are documenting the software, that you already know exactly what platform 
>the
>users will have.
>
>Incidentally, I also included a readme.txt file on the CD that provided the 
>link to the Acrobat Reader
>page on Adobe's website in case the users ran into any problems with the 
>installed application.  But
>to my knowledge, no one ever did.
>
>HTH
>
>Diane Gaskill
>
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: Alan Litchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Apr 12, 2006 6:22 PM
>>To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>>Subject: RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>>
>>Hmm. They more than likely meant that they didn't people to install software
>>on their computer just so they could read the files on the CD.
>>
>>Seems to me:
>>1. Whoever wrote the RFP may have limited/no understanding of the requirements
>>of multiple platforms when publishing on CDROM.
>>2. Whoever wrote the RFP possibly assumes the CDROM will only ever be run on
>>one platform.
>>3. Whoever wrote the RFP may not understand that a program is often integrated
>>with its OS, which makes it difficult to distribute a program that has not
>>been installed into that environment.
>>
>>Of course, there are more programs around than just Reader that can open and
>>display the contents of a PDF. Depends on what other features they need, like
>>bookmarks, etc. And it depends on what platform(s) you are distributing for.
>>
>>Cheers
>>Alan
>>
>>Joanne Curme said:
>>> They probably meant they want a compatible version of Reader included on the
>>> CD-ROM so users can install Reader from the CD. They want to avoid the
>>> situation of users being unable to read the docs because they don't have the
>>> right Reader. It also means users won't need an Internet connection to hunt
>>> for and download the right version of Reader.
>>>
>>> Joanne
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>>> David Bills
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:22 PM
>>> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>>> Subject: OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the
>>> manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall
>>> have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by
>>> using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
>>> didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
>>> directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
>>> information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Dave Bills
>>> ___
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MORE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-12 Thread Diane Gaskill
I forgot to mention that if Acrobat Reader is already installed on a user's 
system, it does not matter what platform it is.  Any PDF file can be read by 
any version of Acrobat Reader, the same way an FM file is portable across W, U, 
and M platforms.  BTW, I do not mean any release of PDF can be read by any 
release of Reader.  For example, I don't think you can open a PDF 1.5 file with 
Acrobat Reader 3.0. 

- Diane

-Original Message-
>From: Diane Gaskill 
>Sent: Apr 12, 2006 9:07 PM
>To: alan at alphabyte.co.nz, framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>
>Dave, 
>
>I've done what your RFP asks for, but it was with an older version of Acrobat 
>Reader.
>I installed Reader on the hard disk and then just copied the entire tree to a 
>CD.  It
>worked fine.  However, Adobe has added security features to most of its 
>products
>and I cannot say whether this method will work with the current version of 
>Acrobat.
>But it's worth a try.  BTW, the product I had documented ran only on a Windows 
>system
>so there was no question regarding platforms.
>
>I would expect that whoever wrote the RFP has no question about platfrms, and 
>since
>you are documenting the software, that you already know exactly what platform 
>the
>users will have.
>
>Incidentally, I also included a readme.txt file on the CD that provided the 
>link to the Acrobat Reader
>page on Adobe's website in case the users ran into any problems with the 
>installed application.  But
>to my knowledge, no one ever did.
>
>HTH
>
>Diane Gaskill
>
>
>-Original Message-----
>>From: Alan Litchfield 
>>Sent: Apr 12, 2006 6:22 PM
>>To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>>Subject: RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>>
>>Hmm. They more than likely meant that they didn't people to install software
>>on their computer just so they could read the files on the CD.
>>
>>Seems to me:
>>1. Whoever wrote the RFP may have limited/no understanding of the requirements
>>of multiple platforms when publishing on CDROM.
>>2. Whoever wrote the RFP possibly assumes the CDROM will only ever be run on
>>one platform.
>>3. Whoever wrote the RFP may not understand that a program is often integrated
>>with its OS, which makes it difficult to distribute a program that has not
>>been installed into that environment.
>>
>>Of course, there are more programs around than just Reader that can open and
>>display the contents of a PDF. Depends on what other features they need, like
>>bookmarks, etc. And it depends on what platform(s) you are distributing for.
>>
>>Cheers
>>Alan
>>
>>Joanne Curme said:
>>> They probably meant they want a compatible version of Reader included on the
>>> CD-ROM so users can install Reader from the CD. They want to avoid the
>>> situation of users being unable to read the docs because they don't have the
>>> right Reader. It also means users won't need an Internet connection to hunt
>>> for and download the right version of Reader.
>>>
>>> Joanne
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: framers-bounces+joanne=exeros.com at lists.frameusers.com
>>> [mailto:framers-bounces+joanne=exeros.com at lists.frameusers.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of
>>> David Bills
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:22 PM
>>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>>> Subject: OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the
>>> manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall
>>> have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by
>>> using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
>>> didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
>>> directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
>>> information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Dave Bills
>>> ___
>
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RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-12 Thread Peter Gold
If there's no information on running Reader from a CD-ROM on the 
Adobe site, and it's not mentioned in the license, and no mention 
especially in the distribution requirements, it's a good bet that 
Adobe doesn't want their product to be distributed this way, even if 
it runs. Although Reader is free, it's not without licence 
requirements.


HTH


Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices


Dave asked:


 >> I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
 >> didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
 >> directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
 >> information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.
 >>
 >> Thanks in advance,
 >>
 >> Dave Bills


Diane replied:

At 9:07 PM -0700 4/12/06, Diane Gaskill wrote:

Dave,

I've done what your RFP asks for, but it was with an older version 
of Acrobat Reader.
I installed Reader on the hard disk and then just copied the entire 
tree to a CD.  It
worked fine.  However, Adobe has added security features to most of 
its products
and I cannot say whether this method will work with the current 
version of Acrobat.
But it's worth a try.  BTW, the product I had documented ran only on 
a Windows system

so there was no question regarding platforms.


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RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-12 Thread Diane Gaskill
Dave, 

I've done what your RFP asks for, but it was with an older version of Acrobat 
Reader.
I installed Reader on the hard disk and then just copied the entire tree to a 
CD.  It
worked fine.  However, Adobe has added security features to most of its products
and I cannot say whether this method will work with the current version of 
Acrobat.
But it's worth a try.  BTW, the product I had documented ran only on a Windows 
system
so there was no question regarding platforms.

I would expect that whoever wrote the RFP has no question about platfrms, and 
since
you are documenting the software, that you already know exactly what platform 
the
users will have.

Incidentally, I also included a readme.txt file on the CD that provided the 
link to the Acrobat Reader
page on Adobe's website in case the users ran into any problems with the 
installed application.  But
to my knowledge, no one ever did.

HTH

Diane Gaskill


-Original Message-
>From: Alan Litchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Apr 12, 2006 6:22 PM
>To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>
>Hmm. They more than likely meant that they didn't people to install software
>on their computer just so they could read the files on the CD.
>
>Seems to me:
>1. Whoever wrote the RFP may have limited/no understanding of the requirements
>of multiple platforms when publishing on CDROM.
>2. Whoever wrote the RFP possibly assumes the CDROM will only ever be run on
>one platform.
>3. Whoever wrote the RFP may not understand that a program is often integrated
>with its OS, which makes it difficult to distribute a program that has not
>been installed into that environment.
>
>Of course, there are more programs around than just Reader that can open and
>display the contents of a PDF. Depends on what other features they need, like
>bookmarks, etc. And it depends on what platform(s) you are distributing for.
>
>Cheers
>Alan
>
>Joanne Curme said:
>> They probably meant they want a compatible version of Reader included on the
>> CD-ROM so users can install Reader from the CD. They want to avoid the
>> situation of users being unable to read the docs because they don't have the
>> right Reader. It also means users won't need an Internet connection to hunt
>> for and download the right version of Reader.
>>
>> Joanne
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>> David Bills
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:22 PM
>> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the
>> manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall
>> have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by
>> using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
>> didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
>> directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
>> information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Dave Bills
>> ___

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Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-12 Thread Diane Gaskill
Dave, 

I've done what your RFP asks for, but it was with an older version of Acrobat 
Reader.
I installed Reader on the hard disk and then just copied the entire tree to a 
CD.  It
worked fine.  However, Adobe has added security features to most of its products
and I cannot say whether this method will work with the current version of 
Acrobat.
But it's worth a try.  BTW, the product I had documented ran only on a Windows 
system
so there was no question regarding platforms.

I would expect that whoever wrote the RFP has no question about platfrms, and 
since
you are documenting the software, that you already know exactly what platform 
the
users will have.

Incidentally, I also included a readme.txt file on the CD that provided the 
link to the Acrobat Reader
page on Adobe's website in case the users ran into any problems with the 
installed application.  But
to my knowledge, no one ever did.

HTH

Diane Gaskill


-Original Message-
>From: Alan Litchfield 
>Sent: Apr 12, 2006 6:22 PM
>To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>
>Hmm. They more than likely meant that they didn't people to install software
>on their computer just so they could read the files on the CD.
>
>Seems to me:
>1. Whoever wrote the RFP may have limited/no understanding of the requirements
>of multiple platforms when publishing on CDROM.
>2. Whoever wrote the RFP possibly assumes the CDROM will only ever be run on
>one platform.
>3. Whoever wrote the RFP may not understand that a program is often integrated
>with its OS, which makes it difficult to distribute a program that has not
>been installed into that environment.
>
>Of course, there are more programs around than just Reader that can open and
>display the contents of a PDF. Depends on what other features they need, like
>bookmarks, etc. And it depends on what platform(s) you are distributing for.
>
>Cheers
>Alan
>
>Joanne Curme said:
>> They probably meant they want a compatible version of Reader included on the
>> CD-ROM so users can install Reader from the CD. They want to avoid the
>> situation of users being unable to read the docs because they don't have the
>> right Reader. It also means users won't need an Internet connection to hunt
>> for and download the right version of Reader.
>>
>> Joanne
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: framers-bounces+joanne=exeros.com at lists.frameusers.com
>> [mailto:framers-bounces+joanne=exeros.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> David Bills
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:22 PM
>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the
>> manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall
>> have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by
>> using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
>> didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
>> directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
>> information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Dave Bills
>> ___




OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-12 Thread David Bills
Hi Everyone,

I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the manual 
CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall have 
Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by using 
the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but didn't find 
any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs directly from the 
CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this information on Adobe's 
site, would you please send me the URL.

Thanks in advance,

Dave Bills


RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-12 Thread Alan Litchfield
Hmm. They more than likely meant that they didn't people to install software
on their computer just so they could read the files on the CD.

Seems to me:
1. Whoever wrote the RFP may have limited/no understanding of the requirements
of multiple platforms when publishing on CDROM.
2. Whoever wrote the RFP possibly assumes the CDROM will only ever be run on
one platform.
3. Whoever wrote the RFP may not understand that a program is often integrated
with its OS, which makes it difficult to distribute a program that has not
been installed into that environment.

Of course, there are more programs around than just Reader that can open and
display the contents of a PDF. Depends on what other features they need, like
bookmarks, etc. And it depends on what platform(s) you are distributing for.

Cheers
Alan

Joanne Curme said:
> They probably meant they want a compatible version of Reader included on the
> CD-ROM so users can install Reader from the CD. They want to avoid the
> situation of users being unable to read the docs because they don't have the
> right Reader. It also means users won't need an Internet connection to hunt
> for and download the right version of Reader.
>
> Joanne
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> David Bills
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:22 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the
> manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall
> have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by
> using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
> didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
> directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
> information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Dave Bills
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Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-12 Thread Joanne Curme
Oops! That'll teach me to half-read before replying. :) 


Joanne 


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+joanne=exeros@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+joanne=exeros.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
Joanne Curme
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:03 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

They probably meant they want a compatible version of Reader included on the
CD-ROM so users can install Reader from the CD. They want to avoid the
situation of users being unable to read the docs because they don't have the
right Reader. It also means users won't need an Internet connection to hunt
for and download the right version of Reader.

Joanne 


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+joanne=exeros@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+joanne=exeros.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
David Bills
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:22 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

Hi Everyone,

I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the
manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall
have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by
using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.

Thanks in advance,

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RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-12 Thread Joanne Curme
Oops! That'll teach me to half-read before replying. :) 


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They probably meant they want a compatible version of Reader included on the
CD-ROM so users can install Reader from the CD. They want to avoid the
situation of users being unable to read the docs because they don't have the
right Reader. It also means users won't need an Internet connection to hunt
for and download the right version of Reader.

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Hi Everyone,

I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the
manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall
have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by
using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.

Thanks in advance,

Dave Bills
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Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-12 Thread Joanne Curme
They probably meant they want a compatible version of Reader included on the
CD-ROM so users can install Reader from the CD. They want to avoid the
situation of users being unable to read the docs because they don't have the
right Reader. It also means users won't need an Internet connection to hunt
for and download the right version of Reader.

Joanne 


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Hi Everyone,

I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the
manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall
have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by
using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
information on Adobe's site, would you please send me the URL.

Thanks in advance,

Dave Bills
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RE: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-12 Thread Joanne Curme
They probably meant they want a compatible version of Reader included on the
CD-ROM so users can install Reader from the CD. They want to avoid the
situation of users being unable to read the docs because they don't have the
right Reader. It also means users won't need an Internet connection to hunt
for and download the right version of Reader.

Joanne 


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Subject: OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

Hi Everyone,

I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the
manual CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall
have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by
using the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but
didn't find any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs
directly from the CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this
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OT: Including Acrobat Reader on Manual CD-ROM

2006-04-12 Thread David Bills
Hi Everyone,

I'm familiar with providing an Acrobat Reader installation file on the manual 
CD-ROM, but I just received an RFP that specifies, "Each CD-ROM shall have 
Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to enable the user to read the manual by using 
the CD-ROM only." I spent some time searching Adobe's Web site, but didn't find 
any information on a version of Acrobat Reader that runs directly from the 
CD-ROM. If anyone is aware of where I can find this information on Adobe's 
site, would you please send me the URL.

Thanks in advance,

Dave Bills
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