Missing leader lines in TOC
Hi All, We have a TOC that has always worked fine in the past. We just added a new paragraph tag to the template that won't pick up the leader lines in the way other, similar paragraph tags do. We're searching for a solution. More details: We have the typical setup of H1_Heading1, H2_Heading2, H3_Heading3, etc. For each of those levels we also have headers that start on the top of a page, headers that we use for the TOC, etc. For example: H1TOP_Heading1TopofPage and H1TOC_Heading1TOC. To date, all of those tags have functioned perfectly in our TOC. So far, so good, right? Last night, we added H2T1_Heading2Topic1, which has all the same settings as the other header tags except that when used in WebWorks ePublisherPro, it breaks to a new topic. (That's a long story about how we set up and executed on our print template.) In fact, we basically copied an existing H2 tag and then in WebWorks, gave it its special designation. So as far as FrameMaker is concerned, it's the same tag, with all the same settings as H2_Heading2 (which works in the TOC), except that it has a different name and different WebWorks settings. Now, when we run the TOC, all the other headings get their leader lines in the TOC, but the new H2T1_Heading2Topic1 entry doesn't. Why? I've done a side-by-side comparison of the two tags and see no difference. The only hint I can give you is in the reference page. If I generate two TOCs side by side, the bad TOC (*with* the new tag) generates an additional two lines whereas the good TOC (*without* the new tag) does not. Specifically (ignore indents, which didn't translate well during copy and paste): Bad TOC: <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> paratext> <$pagenum> openObjectId <$relfilename>:<$ObjectType> <$ObjectId> Chapter <$paranum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> Appendix <$paranum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> Good TOC: openObjectId <$relfilename>:<$ObjectType> <$ObjectId> Chapter <$paranum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> Appendix <$paranum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> Is the initial <$paratext> <$pagenum> any indication of what's going wrong? Or does anybody else have any ideas? Karyn
Missing leader lines in TOC
Your new H2T1_Heading2Topic1 tag does have a tab stop set to generate the leader, right? Art On 8/1/07, Zoe Lawson wrote: > Try turning on View > Text Symbols and look to see if there is a tab where > you need it in the offending paragraph. It could be that you don't have a tab > in the Paragraph tag on the TOC reference page. > > Also, make sure you only have one TOC reference page. Some of my files once > ended up with multiple and all sorts of badness ensued. > > If you have your cursor in the TOC lines, the lower right corner of your > Frame window displays the name of the paragraph tag it's in. That should help > you narrow things down as well. > > HTH, > > Zo? > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Missing leader lines in TOC
karyn hunt wrote: > We have a TOC that has always worked fine in the past. We > just added a new paragraph tag to the template that won't > pick up the leader lines in the way other, similar paragraph > tags do. We're searching for a solution. >Now, when we run the TOC, all the other headings get their > leader lines in the TOC, but the new H2T1_Heading2Topic1 > entry doesn't. The heading pgf you added to the doc -- H2T1_Heading2Topic1 -- isn't the pgf that appears in the TOC. When you included it in the TOC setup, FM created a _new_ pgf format named H2T1_Heading2Topic1TOC. That's the pgf that appears in the TOC, not the heading pgf itself. You probably haven't defined the H2T1_Heading2Topic1TOC pgf format in Paragraph Designer, and it's just luck that the other settings it inherited -- font, alignment, etc. -- are all correct (or are they?). To fix your leader problem, check two different things. First, put your cursor in a H2T1_Heading2Topic1TOC pgf (in your TOC's body page or its TOC spec ref page) and open Paragraph Designer. Under Tab Stops, make sure this pgf format has the right tab stop for the page number and that it has the leader set (select the tab stop and click Edit to check/set the leader). If you have to add or edit the tab stop, be sure you click Update All so that all H2T1_Heading2Topic1TOC pgfs will get the tab setting change. Now, check the H2T1_Heading2Topic1TOC pgf in the TOC spec (the flow named "TOC" on a reference page probably also named "TOC"). If you've defined the pgf format's tab settings correctly, it may already look correct, with the <$pagenum> element tabbed over to the right and the appropriate leader. If not, make sure you actually have a tab between <$paratext> and <$pagenum>. Once the H2T1_Heading2Topic1TOC pgf and the TOC spec are set up right, update/regenerate your book, and your TOC should be fixed. HTH! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
RE: Missing leader lines in TOC
karyn hunt wrote: > We have a TOC that has always worked fine in the past. We > just added a new paragraph tag to the template that won't > pick up the leader lines in the way other, similar paragraph > tags do. We're searching for a solution. >Now, when we run the TOC, all the other headings get their > leader lines in the TOC, but the new H2T1_Heading2Topic1 > entry doesn't. The heading pgf you added to the doc -- H2T1_Heading2Topic1 -- isn't the pgf that appears in the TOC. When you included it in the TOC setup, FM created a _new_ pgf format named H2T1_Heading2Topic1TOC. That's the pgf that appears in the TOC, not the heading pgf itself. You probably haven't defined the H2T1_Heading2Topic1TOC pgf format in Paragraph Designer, and it's just luck that the other settings it inherited -- font, alignment, etc. -- are all correct (or are they?). To fix your leader problem, check two different things. First, put your cursor in a H2T1_Heading2Topic1TOC pgf (in your TOC's body page or its TOC spec ref page) and open Paragraph Designer. Under Tab Stops, make sure this pgf format has the right tab stop for the page number and that it has the leader set (select the tab stop and click Edit to check/set the leader). If you have to add or edit the tab stop, be sure you click Update All so that all H2T1_Heading2Topic1TOC pgfs will get the tab setting change. Now, check the H2T1_Heading2Topic1TOC pgf in the TOC spec (the flow named "TOC" on a reference page probably also named "TOC"). If you've defined the pgf format's tab settings correctly, it may already look correct, with the <$pagenum> element tabbed over to the right and the appropriate leader. If not, make sure you actually have a tab between <$paratext> and <$pagenum>. Once the H2T1_Heading2Topic1TOC pgf and the TOC spec are set up right, update/regenerate your book, and your TOC should be fixed. HTH! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Missing leader lines in TOC
Your new H2T1_Heading2Topic1 tag does have a tab stop set to generate the leader, right? Art On 8/1/07, Zoe Lawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Try turning on View > Text Symbols and look to see if there is a tab where > you need it in the offending paragraph. It could be that you don't have a tab > in the Paragraph tag on the TOC reference page. > > Also, make sure you only have one TOC reference page. Some of my files once > ended up with multiple and all sorts of badness ensued. > > If you have your cursor in the TOC lines, the lower right corner of your > Frame window displays the name of the paragraph tag it's in. That should help > you narrow things down as well. > > HTH, > > Zoë > -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Missing leader lines in TOC
Sorry, guys...don't have the faintest idea how this response got on this list. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "They say everyone needs goals. Mine is to live forever. So far, so good." - Original Message From: John Posada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Zoe Lawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; karyn hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2007 4:37:24 PM Subject: Re: Missing leader lines in TOC >What works for you may work just fine. But you have two hiring managers here >who've told you "um, nope, >don't read 'em if they are that long." Then don't. I just hope someone like me isn't the person you are looking for. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jposada01%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Missing leader lines in TOC
Sorry, guys...don't have the faintest idea how this response got on this list. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "They say everyone needs goals. Mine is to live forever. So far, so good." - Original Message From: John Posada To: Zoe Lawson ; karyn hunt ; framers at lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2007 4:37:24 PM Subject: Re: Missing leader lines in TOC >What works for you may work just fine. But you have two hiring managers here >who've told you "um, nope, >don't read 'em if they are that long." Then don't. I just hope someone like me isn't the person you are looking for. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jposada01 at yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jposada01%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Missing leader lines in TOC
>What works for you may work just fine. But you have two hiring managers here >who've told you "um, nope, >don't read 'em if they are that long." Then don't. I just hope someone like me isn't the person you are looking for. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Missing leader lines in TOC
>What works for you may work just fine. But you have two hiring managers here >who've told you "um, nope, >don't read 'em if they are that long." Then don't. I just hope someone like me isn't the person you are looking for.
Re: Missing leader lines in TOC
Try turning on View > Text Symbols and look to see if there is a tab where you need it in the offending paragraph. It could be that you don't have a tab in the Paragraph tag on the TOC reference page. Also, make sure you only have one TOC reference page. Some of my files once ended up with multiple and all sorts of badness ensued. If you have your cursor in the TOC lines, the lower right corner of your Frame window displays the name of the paragraph tag it's in. That should help you narrow things down as well. HTH, Zoë - Original Message From: karyn hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2007 4:12:19 PM Subject: Missing leader lines in TOC We have a TOC that has always worked fine in the past. We just added a new paragraph tag to the template that won't pick up the leader lines in the way other, similar paragraph tags do. We're searching for a solution. Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Missing leader lines in TOC
Try turning on View > Text Symbols and look to see if there is a tab where you need it in the offending paragraph. It could be that you don't have a tab in the Paragraph tag on the TOC reference page. Also, make sure you only have one TOC reference page. Some of my files once ended up with multiple and all sorts of badness ensued. If you have your cursor in the TOC lines, the lower right corner of your Frame window displays the name of the paragraph tag it's in. That should help you narrow things down as well. HTH, Zo? - Original Message From: karyn hunt To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2007 4:12:19 PM Subject: Missing leader lines in TOC We have a TOC that has always worked fine in the past. We just added a new paragraph tag to the template that won't pick up the leader lines in the way other, similar paragraph tags do. We're searching for a solution. Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Missing leader lines in TOC
Hi All, We have a TOC that has always worked fine in the past. We just added a new paragraph tag to the template that won't pick up the leader lines in the way other, similar paragraph tags do. We're searching for a solution. More details: We have the typical setup of H1_Heading1, H2_Heading2, H3_Heading3, etc. For each of those levels we also have headers that start on the top of a page, headers that we use for the TOC, etc. For example: H1TOP_Heading1TopofPage and H1TOC_Heading1TOC. To date, all of those tags have functioned perfectly in our TOC. So far, so good, right? Last night, we added H2T1_Heading2Topic1, which has all the same settings as the other header tags except that when used in WebWorks ePublisherPro, it breaks to a new topic. (That's a long story about how we set up and executed on our print template.) In fact, we basically copied an existing H2 tag and then in WebWorks, gave it its special designation. So as far as FrameMaker is concerned, it's the same tag, with all the same settings as H2_Heading2 (which works in the TOC), except that it has a different name and different WebWorks settings. Now, when we run the TOC, all the other headings get their leader lines in the TOC, but the new H2T1_Heading2Topic1 entry doesn't. Why? I've done a side-by-side comparison of the two tags and see no difference. The only hint I can give you is in the reference page. If I generate two TOCs side by side, the bad TOC (*with* the new tag) generates an additional two lines whereas the good TOC (*without* the new tag) does not. Specifically (ignore indents, which didn't translate well during copy and paste): Bad TOC: <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> paratext> <$pagenum> openObjectId <$relfilename>:<$ObjectType> <$ObjectId> Chapter <$paranum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> Appendix <$paranum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> Good TOC: openObjectId <$relfilename>:<$ObjectType> <$ObjectId> Chapter <$paranum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> Appendix <$paranum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> <$paratext> <$pagenum> Is the initial <$paratext> <$pagenum> any indication of what's going wrong? Or does anybody else have any ideas? Karyn ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Leader Lines
Karyn Hunt wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm drawing a blank and the help system isn't readily giving me the > info I need. I'm sure the info is there, I just can't find it and I'm > in a hurry... > > I have a template TOC with leader lines and a tab setting of 6.375. > I've just generated the TOC for a new book but 1) the leader lines > aren't there and 2) the file is ignoring the tab set and putting the > page numbers flush left to the chapter title text. I've imported the > template formats into the new TOC several times but it's not picking > up on the leader lines or the tab stop. (It's getting the font, font > size and indent right, but losing the info about the leader lines and > tabs.) > > What am I doing wrong? Where are my leader lines? And how can I get > them back either a) automatically or b) manually? Are leader lines > set in the paragraph designer? The format designer? The reference > page? (In which case I'm sunk b/c I don't know diddly about how to > set up reference pages.) > > I'm on FrameMaker 7.1 with Windows XP and the lone writer in a small > shop with godawful deadlines and a patch due out this week. > Karyn, Chances are you're just missing tab characters on your TOC reference page. The pgf tag may have a tab stop set, but if there's no typed tab character, nothing moves. View > Reference Pages Watch the status bar and scroll until you're on the TOC reference page. View > Text Symbols Make sure there's a tab symbol inserted between <$paratext> and <$pagenum> in each TOC pgf. (Again, watch the status bar to see which pgf type your cursor is in.) HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "Democracy: you can?t export it abroad when you don?t practise it at home." --Jack Layton Get Firefox! http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5
Leader Lines
Did you include tab stops when you set up the Reference Page formatting? Probably you need to look for <$paratext> <$pagenum> and insert a tab where the space is, for each level of heads for which you want leaders. Art On 3/20/06, Karyn Hunt wrote: > Hi All, > >I'm drawing a blank and the help system isn't readily giving me the info I > need. I'm sure the info is there, I just can't find it and I'm in a hurry... > >I have a template TOC with leader lines and a tab setting of 6.375. I've > just generated the TOC for a new book but 1) the leader lines aren't there > and 2) the file is ignoring the tab set and putting the page numbers flush > left to the chapter title text. I've imported the template formats into the > new TOC several times but it's not picking up on the leader lines or the tab > stop. (It's getting the font, font size and indent right, but losing the info > about the leader lines and tabs.) > >What am I doing wrong? Where are my leader lines? And how can I get them > back either a) automatically or b) manually? Are leader lines set in the > paragraph designer? The format designer? The reference page? (In which case > I'm sunk b/c I don't know diddly about how to set up reference pages.) > > I'm on FrameMaker 7.1 with Windows XP and the lone writer in a small shop > with godawful deadlines and a patch due out this week. > > Karyn > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Leader Lines - SOLVED
Hi, Karyn: At 1:31 PM -0800 3/20/06, Karyn Hunt wrote: >After trying several suggestions from the wonderful folks on this >list, I finally noticed something: The "apply master pages" checkbox >wasn't checked in the "update book" dialogue. So that appears to >have been the problem. > >Geez Louize, it took 1.5 hours to figure that out. What a waste of >an hour and a half. But a learning experience nonetheless. I won't >let that one slip by again. (The lessons learned hardest are always >the lessons learned best, huh?) The lesson isn't that Apply Master Pages was unchecked, even if it seems to solve the problem in this document set. The reason is that Apply Master Pages needs to be set up in the document set. If it isn't set up, or is set up incorrectly or incompletely, it won't apply the master page that apparently was required to make your file act as expected. The cause of the misbehaving tabs and tab stops is that the master page for the generated file wasn't the correct one. It could be applied manually with Format > Page Layout > Master Page Usage. IMO, the real lesson is that it's a process documentation issue. There should be a style guide, document procedure, or check list that indicates that the generated file body pages need particular master pages, and that Apply Master Pages needs to be enabled for this document set, to assure that book updates work correctly without additional author effort. 1.5 hours spent on this lesson is worthwhile; it should pay back with future savings. -- Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
Leader Lines
Karyn, If your TOC template is exactly the way you want it, use the following "down and dirty" way to create your TOC with the correct format. 1. Generate the TOC for the document. 2. Save the TOC and close it. 3. Open the TOC template file. 4. File > Save As, overwrite TOC generated in step 1. 5. Update the TOC. Karen L. Zorn Zorn Technologies, Inc. Mesa, AZ -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+k.zorn=zorntech@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+k.zorn=zorntech.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karyn Hunt Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:54 PM To: framers Subject: Leader Lines Hi All, I'm drawing a blank and the help system isn't readily giving me the info I need. I'm sure the info is there, I just can't find it and I'm in a hurry... I have a template TOC with leader lines and a tab setting of 6.375. I've just generated the TOC for a new book but 1) the leader lines aren't there and 2) the file is ignoring the tab set and putting the page numbers flush left to the chapter title text. I've imported the template formats into the new TOC several times but it's not picking up on the leader lines or the tab stop. (It's getting the font, font size and indent right, but losing the info about the leader lines and tabs.) What am I doing wrong? Where are my leader lines? And how can I get them back either a) automatically or b) manually? Are leader lines set in the paragraph designer? The format designer? The reference page? (In which case I'm sunk b/c I don't know diddly about how to set up reference pages.) I'm on FrameMaker 7.1 with Windows XP and the lone writer in a small shop with godawful deadlines and a patch due out this week. Karyn ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as k.zorn at zorntech.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/k.zorn%40zorntech.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Leader Lines - SOLVED
Hi, Karyn: At 1:31 PM -0800 3/20/06, Karyn Hunt wrote: After trying several suggestions from the wonderful folks on this list, I finally noticed something: The "apply master pages" checkbox wasn't checked in the "update book" dialogue. So that appears to have been the problem. Geez Louize, it took 1.5 hours to figure that out. What a waste of an hour and a half. But a learning experience nonetheless. I won't let that one slip by again. (The lessons learned hardest are always the lessons learned best, huh?) The lesson isn't that Apply Master Pages was unchecked, even if it seems to solve the problem in this document set. The reason is that Apply Master Pages needs to be set up in the document set. If it isn't set up, or is set up incorrectly or incompletely, it won't apply the master page that apparently was required to make your file act as expected. The cause of the misbehaving tabs and tab stops is that the master page for the generated file wasn't the correct one. It could be applied manually with Format > Page Layout > Master Page Usage. IMO, the real lesson is that it's a process documentation issue. There should be a style guide, document procedure, or check list that indicates that the generated file body pages need particular master pages, and that Apply Master Pages needs to be enabled for this document set, to assure that book updates work correctly without additional author effort. 1.5 hours spent on this lesson is worthwhile; it should pay back with future savings. -- Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Leader Lines - SOLVED
After trying several suggestions from the wonderful folks on this list, I finally noticed something: The "apply master pages" checkbox wasn't checked in the "update book" dialogue. So that appears to have been the problem. Geez Louize, it took 1.5 hours to figure that out. What a waste of an hour and a half. But a learning experience nonetheless. I won't let that one slip by again. (The lessons learned hardest are always the lessons learned best, huh?) Aaargh! k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:03 PM To: 'framers@frameusers.com' Subject: FW: Leader Lines Karyn, There is a paragraph style on the reference page that corresponds to each paragraph style in your TOC, this is where you set up the right-tabs with leaders. One common problem to look for is that the right tab for your leader is slightly beyond the edge of the text frame on the master page. If the tab is at 6.375 and the edge of the frame is at 6.37, for example, the leaders will disappear. Clint -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] om]On Behalf Of Karyn Hunt Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:54 PM To: framers Subject: Leader Lines Hi All, I'm drawing a blank and the help system isn't readily giving me the info I need. I'm sure the info is there, I just can't find it and I'm in a hurry... I have a template TOC with leader lines and a tab setting of 6.375. I've just generated the TOC for a new book but 1) the leader lines aren't there and 2) the file is ignoring the tab set and putting the page numbers flush left to the chapter title text. I've imported the template formats into the new TOC several times but it's not picking up on the leader lines or the tab stop. (It's getting the font, font size and indent right, but losing the info about the leader lines and tabs.) What am I doing wrong? Where are my leader lines? And how can I get them back either a) automatically or b) manually? Are leader lines set in the paragraph designer? The format designer? The reference page? (In which case I'm sunk b/c I don't know diddly about how to set up reference pages.) I'm on FrameMaker 7.1 with Windows XP and the lone writer in a small shop with godawful deadlines and a patch due out this week. Karyn ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneaerosp ace.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ## Attention: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. This email was scanned and cleared by MailMarshal. ## ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/karyn.hunt%40scalix.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Leader Lines - SOLVED
After trying several suggestions from the wonderful folks on this list, I finally noticed something: The "apply master pages" checkbox wasn't checked in the "update book" dialogue. So that appears to have been the problem. Geez Louize, it took 1.5 hours to figure that out. What a waste of an hour and a half. But a learning experience nonetheless. I won't let that one slip by again. (The lessons learned hardest are always the lessons learned best, huh?) Aaargh! k -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+karyn.hunt=scalix.com at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+karyn.hunt=scalix@lists.frameusers.com] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:03 PM To: 'framers at frameusers.com' Subject: FW: Leader Lines Karyn, There is a paragraph style on the reference page that corresponds to each paragraph style in your TOC, this is where you set up the right-tabs with leaders. One common problem to look for is that the right tab for your leader is slightly beyond the edge of the text frame on the master page. If the tab is at 6.375 and the edge of the frame is at 6.37, for example, the leaders will disappear. Clint -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+clint.owen=craneaerospace@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+clint.owen=craneaerospace.com at lists.frameusers.c om]On Behalf Of Karyn Hunt Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:54 PM To: framers Subject: Leader Lines Hi All, I'm drawing a blank and the help system isn't readily giving me the info I need. I'm sure the info is there, I just can't find it and I'm in a hurry... I have a template TOC with leader lines and a tab setting of 6.375. I've just generated the TOC for a new book but 1) the leader lines aren't there and 2) the file is ignoring the tab set and putting the page numbers flush left to the chapter title text. I've imported the template formats into the new TOC several times but it's not picking up on the leader lines or the tab stop. (It's getting the font, font size and indent right, but losing the info about the leader lines and tabs.) What am I doing wrong? Where are my leader lines? And how can I get them back either a) automatically or b) manually? Are leader lines set in the paragraph designer? The format designer? The reference page? (In which case I'm sunk b/c I don't know diddly about how to set up reference pages.) I'm on FrameMaker 7.1 with Windows XP and the lone writer in a small shop with godawful deadlines and a patch due out this week. Karyn ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as Clint.Owen at craneaerospace.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneaerosp ace.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ## Attention: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. This email was scanned and cleared by MailMarshal. ## ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as Karyn.Hunt at scalix.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/karyn.hunt%40scalix.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Leader Lines
Karyn, If your TOC template is exactly the way you want it, use the following "down and dirty" way to create your TOC with the correct format. 1. Generate the TOC for the document. 2. Save the TOC and close it. 3. Open the TOC template file. 4. File > Save As, overwrite TOC generated in step 1. 5. Update the TOC. Karen L. Zorn Zorn Technologies, Inc. Mesa, AZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karyn Hunt Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:54 PM To: framers Subject: Leader Lines Hi All, I'm drawing a blank and the help system isn't readily giving me the info I need. I'm sure the info is there, I just can't find it and I'm in a hurry... I have a template TOC with leader lines and a tab setting of 6.375. I've just generated the TOC for a new book but 1) the leader lines aren't there and 2) the file is ignoring the tab set and putting the page numbers flush left to the chapter title text. I've imported the template formats into the new TOC several times but it's not picking up on the leader lines or the tab stop. (It's getting the font, font size and indent right, but losing the info about the leader lines and tabs.) What am I doing wrong? Where are my leader lines? And how can I get them back either a) automatically or b) manually? Are leader lines set in the paragraph designer? The format designer? The reference page? (In which case I'm sunk b/c I don't know diddly about how to set up reference pages.) I'm on FrameMaker 7.1 with Windows XP and the lone writer in a small shop with godawful deadlines and a patch due out this week. Karyn ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/k.zorn%40zorntech.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Leader Lines
Karyn Hunt wrote: Hi All, I'm drawing a blank and the help system isn't readily giving me the info I need. I'm sure the info is there, I just can't find it and I'm in a hurry... I have a template TOC with leader lines and a tab setting of 6.375. I've just generated the TOC for a new book but 1) the leader lines aren't there and 2) the file is ignoring the tab set and putting the page numbers flush left to the chapter title text. I've imported the template formats into the new TOC several times but it's not picking up on the leader lines or the tab stop. (It's getting the font, font size and indent right, but losing the info about the leader lines and tabs.) What am I doing wrong? Where are my leader lines? And how can I get them back either a) automatically or b) manually? Are leader lines set in the paragraph designer? The format designer? The reference page? (In which case I'm sunk b/c I don't know diddly about how to set up reference pages.) I'm on FrameMaker 7.1 with Windows XP and the lone writer in a small shop with godawful deadlines and a patch due out this week. Karyn, Chances are you're just missing tab characters on your TOC reference page. The pgf tag may have a tab stop set, but if there's no typed tab character, nothing moves. View > Reference Pages Watch the status bar and scroll until you're on the TOC reference page. View > Text Symbols Make sure there's a tab symbol inserted between <$paratext> and <$pagenum> in each TOC pgf. (Again, watch the status bar to see which pgf type your cursor is in.) HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "Democracy: you can’t export it abroad when you don’t practise it at home." --Jack Layton Get Firefox! http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FW: Leader Lines
Karyn, There is a paragraph style on the reference page that corresponds to each paragraph style in your TOC, this is where you set up the right-tabs with leaders. One common problem to look for is that the right tab for your leader is slightly beyond the edge of the text frame on the master page. If the tab is at 6.375 and the edge of the frame is at 6.37, for example, the leaders will disappear. Clint -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] om]On Behalf Of Karyn Hunt Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:54 PM To: framers Subject: Leader Lines Hi All, I'm drawing a blank and the help system isn't readily giving me the info I need. I'm sure the info is there, I just can't find it and I'm in a hurry... I have a template TOC with leader lines and a tab setting of 6.375. I've just generated the TOC for a new book but 1) the leader lines aren't there and 2) the file is ignoring the tab set and putting the page numbers flush left to the chapter title text. I've imported the template formats into the new TOC several times but it's not picking up on the leader lines or the tab stop. (It's getting the font, font size and indent right, but losing the info about the leader lines and tabs.) What am I doing wrong? Where are my leader lines? And how can I get them back either a) automatically or b) manually? Are leader lines set in the paragraph designer? The format designer? The reference page? (In which case I'm sunk b/c I don't know diddly about how to set up reference pages.) I'm on FrameMaker 7.1 with Windows XP and the lone writer in a small shop with godawful deadlines and a patch due out this week. Karyn ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneaerosp ace.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ## Attention: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. This email was scanned and cleared by MailMarshal. ## ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FW: Leader Lines
Karyn, There is a paragraph style on the reference page that corresponds to each paragraph style in your TOC, this is where you set up the right-tabs with leaders. One common problem to look for is that the right tab for your leader is slightly beyond the edge of the text frame on the master page. If the tab is at 6.375 and the edge of the frame is at 6.37, for example, the leaders will disappear. Clint -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+clint.owen=craneaerospace@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+clint.owen=craneaerospace.com at lists.frameusers.c om]On Behalf Of Karyn Hunt Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:54 PM To: framers Subject: Leader Lines Hi All, I'm drawing a blank and the help system isn't readily giving me the info I need. I'm sure the info is there, I just can't find it and I'm in a hurry... I have a template TOC with leader lines and a tab setting of 6.375. I've just generated the TOC for a new book but 1) the leader lines aren't there and 2) the file is ignoring the tab set and putting the page numbers flush left to the chapter title text. I've imported the template formats into the new TOC several times but it's not picking up on the leader lines or the tab stop. (It's getting the font, font size and indent right, but losing the info about the leader lines and tabs.) What am I doing wrong? Where are my leader lines? And how can I get them back either a) automatically or b) manually? Are leader lines set in the paragraph designer? The format designer? The reference page? (In which case I'm sunk b/c I don't know diddly about how to set up reference pages.) I'm on FrameMaker 7.1 with Windows XP and the lone writer in a small shop with godawful deadlines and a patch due out this week. Karyn ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as Clint.Owen at craneaerospace.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneaerosp ace.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ## Attention: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. This email was scanned and cleared by MailMarshal. ##
Re: Leader Lines
Did you include tab stops when you set up the Reference Page formatting? Probably you need to look for <$paratext> <$pagenum> and insert a tab where the space is, for each level of heads for which you want leaders. Art On 3/20/06, Karyn Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > >I'm drawing a blank and the help system isn't readily giving me the info I > need. I'm sure the info is there, I just can't find it and I'm in a hurry... > >I have a template TOC with leader lines and a tab setting of 6.375. I've > just generated the TOC for a new book but 1) the leader lines aren't there > and 2) the file is ignoring the tab set and putting the page numbers flush > left to the chapter title text. I've imported the template formats into the > new TOC several times but it's not picking up on the leader lines or the tab > stop. (It's getting the font, font size and indent right, but losing the info > about the leader lines and tabs.) > >What am I doing wrong? Where are my leader lines? And how can I get them > back either a) automatically or b) manually? Are leader lines set in the > paragraph designer? The format designer? The reference page? (In which case > I'm sunk b/c I don't know diddly about how to set up reference pages.) > > I'm on FrameMaker 7.1 with Windows XP and the lone writer in a small shop > with godawful deadlines and a patch due out this week. > > Karyn > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Leader Lines
Hi All, I'm drawing a blank and the help system isn't readily giving me the info I need. I'm sure the info is there, I just can't find it and I'm in a hurry... I have a template TOC with leader lines and a tab setting of 6.375. I've just generated the TOC for a new book but 1) the leader lines aren't there and 2) the file is ignoring the tab set and putting the page numbers flush left to the chapter title text. I've imported the template formats into the new TOC several times but it's not picking up on the leader lines or the tab stop. (It's getting the font, font size and indent right, but losing the info about the leader lines and tabs.) What am I doing wrong? Where are my leader lines? And how can I get them back either a) automatically or b) manually? Are leader lines set in the paragraph designer? The format designer? The reference page? (In which case I'm sunk b/c I don't know diddly about how to set up reference pages.) I'm on FrameMaker 7.1 with Windows XP and the lone writer in a small shop with godawful deadlines and a patch due out this week. Karyn ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Leader Lines
Hi All, I'm drawing a blank and the help system isn't readily giving me the info I need. I'm sure the info is there, I just can't find it and I'm in a hurry... I have a template TOC with leader lines and a tab setting of 6.375. I've just generated the TOC for a new book but 1) the leader lines aren't there and 2) the file is ignoring the tab set and putting the page numbers flush left to the chapter title text. I've imported the template formats into the new TOC several times but it's not picking up on the leader lines or the tab stop. (It's getting the font, font size and indent right, but losing the info about the leader lines and tabs.) What am I doing wrong? Where are my leader lines? And how can I get them back either a) automatically or b) manually? Are leader lines set in the paragraph designer? The format designer? The reference page? (In which case I'm sunk b/c I don't know diddly about how to set up reference pages.) I'm on FrameMaker 7.1 with Windows XP and the lone writer in a small shop with godawful deadlines and a patch due out this week. Karyn
