Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 (16.0.4) does not start (same bug as in 2015)
Someone wanders in from time to time, but if you create a bug report in the tracker and post the link here, others can vote on it. If you want, I'll copy the link and post to the Adobe FrameMaker forum, too. On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 5:42 AM Yves Barbion wrote: > Thank you for the tip, Simon, but I'm not going to spend my time on this. I > guess/hope that Adobe is monitoring this list too and that they have the > time and the people to raise this issue as a bug. ;-) > > Cheers > > Yves > > On Wed, 4 May 2022 at 11:27, Simon BUCH wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > If you haven't done it already, I would advise raising this as a bug on > > the Adobe tracking system: > > https://tracker.adobe.com > > > > Regards > > /// Simon BUCH > > > > On 04/05/2022 10:19, Yves Barbion wrote: > > > Hi group > > > > > > FrameMaker 2020 (16.0.4) refused to start this morning: no splash > screen > > > and no FrameMaker process running in the Task Manager. Apparently, this > > is > > > the same bug as in Frame 2015: > > > > > > > https://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/msg68672.html > > > > > > This problem can easily be fixed by renaming or deleting the > Linguistics > > > folder in: > > > > > > C:\Users\Your.Name\AppData\LocalLow\Adobe > > > > > > Kudos to Jeff Coatsworth, who posted this fix back in 2019. > > > > > > @Adobe: Could you please fix this bug? > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Yves > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 (16.0.4) does not start (same bug as in 2015)
Thank you for the tip, Simon, but I'm not going to spend my time on this. I guess/hope that Adobe is monitoring this list too and that they have the time and the people to raise this issue as a bug. ;-) Cheers Yves On Wed, 4 May 2022 at 11:27, Simon BUCH wrote: > Hello, > > If you haven't done it already, I would advise raising this as a bug on > the Adobe tracking system: > https://tracker.adobe.com > > Regards > /// Simon BUCH > > On 04/05/2022 10:19, Yves Barbion wrote: > > Hi group > > > > FrameMaker 2020 (16.0.4) refused to start this morning: no splash screen > > and no FrameMaker process running in the Task Manager. Apparently, this > is > > the same bug as in Frame 2015: > > > > https://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/msg68672.html > > > > This problem can easily be fixed by renaming or deleting the Linguistics > > folder in: > > > > C:\Users\Your.Name\AppData\LocalLow\Adobe > > > > Kudos to Jeff Coatsworth, who posted this fix back in 2019. > > > > @Adobe: Could you please fix this bug? > > > > Cheers > > > > Yves > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 (16.0.4) does not start (same bug as in 2015)
Hello, If you haven't done it already, I would advise raising this as a bug on the Adobe tracking system: https://tracker.adobe.com Regards /// Simon BUCH On 04/05/2022 10:19, Yves Barbion wrote: Hi group FrameMaker 2020 (16.0.4) refused to start this morning: no splash screen and no FrameMaker process running in the Task Manager. Apparently, this is the same bug as in Frame 2015: https://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/msg68672.html This problem can easily be fixed by renaming or deleting the Linguistics folder in: C:\Users\Your.Name\AppData\LocalLow\Adobe Kudos to Jeff Coatsworth, who posted this fix back in 2019. @Adobe: Could you please fix this bug? Cheers Yves ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019
Sean, The binary data in a FrameMaker file identifies the version of FrameMaker used to create the file. Each version of FrameMaker can open files created in that version and earlier, but not files created in a later version. In particular, FM 2019 cannot open files created in FM 2020, regardless of whether those files use any FM 2020 features that were not available in earlier versions. Each version of FM can save files as previous versions. Save As has an option for the immediately preceding version. In particular, you can open one of your FM 2020 files, and select Document 2019 from Save As's Type pull-down menu to convert the file to 2019. That might be practical if you only have a few files; it is a pain for a large number. An FM 2020 script or plugin can convert a large number of files and can convert to earlier versions than the immediately preceding one. Of course, any use of FM 2020 features that didn't exist in the output version can't be preserved.w https://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html (which you can reach from the New Features button on the FM 2020 Welcome Screen) describes what's new in FM 2020. --Lynne On 10/14/2021 10:27 AM, techwordsm...@gmail.com wrote: The icon looks the same as FM 2019. The new version self-identifies as version 16, not 2020. I don't see any obvious changes off the bat. Anyone have any idea what the new changes to FM 2020 are, other than 2019 cannot open 2020 files? -- Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training lpr...@txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019
They gave you a link to the latest general release. Only participants in the beta program get to download beta versions. :D On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 10:19 PM wrote: > Well, you are right. I now have FrameMaker 16 (2020), Adobe tech support > gave me the link, but I have no idea if it is actually released or if I > have > a beta. Nobody said anything. > > The vendor was told to use FrameMaker 2019 and made a mistake and sent 2020 > files. I don't know if they are part of a beta or not. I was expecting 2019 > files, which I can open, so didn't ask for MIF. > > This opens more questions than those I originally asked Anyone in the > know, feel free to chime in. > > Cheers, > > Sean > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019
Absolutely the LSP should return the finished product using the same software version. I would make a (nice) complaint so that this doesn't happen again - or to other clients. Alison -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 10:51 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019 Are you saying that the translator used an as-yet unreleased version? Possibly an NDA violation? Is the secret download location a pre-release repository? Shouldn't the translator return a client's project in the same release it was submitted, or in MIF, to maintain compatibility? On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 12:28 PM wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I was using FM 2019 sporadically. I received files back from a translator > in > a version of FM I could not open. Notpad showed it was FM 16, which I found > was 2020. > > > > I was never notified by Adobe about the new version, any upgrade, etc., > despite being subscribed. That was a bit annoying. > > > > Anyway, after a lengthy but successful support call, I was shown a secret > URL where I could get this new version of FrameMaker, downloaded it, and > installed it. > > > > The icon looks the same as FM 2019. The new version self-identifies as > version 16, not 2020. I don't see any obvious changes off the bat. Anyone > have any idea what the new changes to FM 2020 are, other than 2019 cannot > open 2020 files? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Sean > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.frameusers.com__;!!Oq50-tQ!9_FFT5rqvLuonKOTyVsN1C8BxQYWsBwTOttPgRLOLt0OiiCzH3JP5CPZWuo4DQ2i8CQgzkjr$ > > Archives located at > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mail-archive.com/framers*40lists.frameusers.com/__;JQ!!Oq50-tQ!9_FFT5rqvLuonKOTyVsN1C8BxQYWsBwTOttPgRLOLt0OiiCzH3JP5CPZWuo4DQ2i8Ple8hAG$ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com__;!!Oq50-tQ!9_FFT5rqvLuonKOTyVsN1C8BxQYWsBwTOttPgRLOLt0OiiCzH3JP5CPZWuo4DQ2i8IiHB5-D$ > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.frameusers.com__;!!Oq50-tQ!9_FFT5rqvLuonKOTyVsN1C8BxQYWsBwTOttPgRLOLt0OiiCzH3JP5CPZWuo4DQ2i8CQgzkjr$ Archives located at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mail-archive.com/framers*40lists.frameusers.com/__;JQ!!Oq50-tQ!9_FFT5rqvLuonKOTyVsN1C8BxQYWsBwTOttPgRLOLt0OiiCzH3JP5CPZWuo4DQ2i8Ple8hAG$ Subscribe and unsubscribe at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com__;!!Oq50-tQ!9_FFT5rqvLuonKOTyVsN1C8BxQYWsBwTOttPgRLOLt0OiiCzH3JP5CPZWuo4DQ2i8IiHB5-D$ Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019
Well, you are right. I now have FrameMaker 16 (2020), Adobe tech support gave me the link, but I have no idea if it is actually released or if I have a beta. Nobody said anything. The vendor was told to use FrameMaker 2019 and made a mistake and sent 2020 files. I don't know if they are part of a beta or not. I was expecting 2019 files, which I can open, so didn't ask for MIF. This opens more questions than those I originally asked Anyone in the know, feel free to chime in. Cheers, Sean -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 1:51 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019 Are you saying that the translator used an as-yet unreleased version? Possibly an NDA violation? Is the secret download location a pre-release repository? Shouldn't the translator return a client's project in the same release it was submitted, or in MIF, to maintain compatibility? On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 12:28 PM wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I was using FM 2019 sporadically. I received files back from a > translator in a version of FM I could not open. Notpad showed it was > FM 16, which I found was 2020. > > > > I was never notified by Adobe about the new version, any upgrade, > etc., despite being subscribed. That was a bit annoying. > > > > Anyway, after a lengthy but successful support call, I was shown a > secret URL where I could get this new version of FrameMaker, > downloaded it, and installed it. > > > > The icon looks the same as FM 2019. The new version self-identifies as > version 16, not 2020. I don't see any obvious changes off the bat. > Anyone have any idea what the new changes to FM 2020 are, other than > 2019 cannot open 2020 files? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Sean > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019
The current version of FrameMaker is 16.03.979. It was released last July/August and has had 3 updates so far. Frame's update function is busticated, but that seems to be an issue with Adobe's website. You have to download it from the trial page. As long as you're subscribed, it should install just fine. Every now and again I yell at people in the ACP program or the TCS support about how busted the download and update on the website are. The link from your account page to update Frame still, after 3 years (at least) takes you to the update page for Creative Cloud! Generally speaking, most of the updates were for DITA but there were some nice things added for us non-structured people. There's a navigation pane now that can be used to navigate within a document. Right now it's file-based, but there's hope that they'll be adding book-level navigation soon. They've also added a utility you can use to split files down into multiple files based on a tag name. It has XLIFF capability for translation services, although that requires use of structured/DITA. And it FINALLY has a button for converting selected text to sentence case. ;-) They also added buttons to remove a row or column from a table, which has proven useful. https://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 1:50 PM Peter Gold wrote: > Are you saying that the translator used an as-yet unreleased version? > Possibly an NDA violation? > > Is the secret download location a pre-release repository? > > Shouldn't the translator return a client's project in the same release it > was submitted, or in MIF, to maintain compatibility? > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 12:28 PM wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I was using FM 2019 sporadically. I received files back from a translator > > in > > a version of FM I could not open. Notpad showed it was FM 16, which I > found > > was 2020. > > > > > > > > I was never notified by Adobe about the new version, any upgrade, etc., > > despite being subscribed. That was a bit annoying. > > > > > > > > Anyway, after a lengthy but successful support call, I was shown a secret > > URL where I could get this new version of FrameMaker, downloaded it, and > > installed it. > > > > > > > > The icon looks the same as FM 2019. The new version self-identifies as > > version 16, not 2020. I don't see any obvious changes off the bat. Anyone > > have any idea what the new changes to FM 2020 are, other than 2019 cannot > > open 2020 files? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Sean > > > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019
Are you saying that the translator used an as-yet unreleased version? Possibly an NDA violation? Is the secret download location a pre-release repository? Shouldn't the translator return a client's project in the same release it was submitted, or in MIF, to maintain compatibility? On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 12:28 PM wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I was using FM 2019 sporadically. I received files back from a translator > in > a version of FM I could not open. Notpad showed it was FM 16, which I found > was 2020. > > > > I was never notified by Adobe about the new version, any upgrade, etc., > despite being subscribed. That was a bit annoying. > > > > Anyway, after a lengthy but successful support call, I was shown a secret > URL where I could get this new version of FrameMaker, downloaded it, and > installed it. > > > > The icon looks the same as FM 2019. The new version self-identifies as > version 16, not 2020. I don't see any obvious changes off the bat. Anyone > have any idea what the new changes to FM 2020 are, other than 2019 cannot > open 2020 files? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Sean > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
This link shows the new features compared to older FM versions https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/acom/en/products/framemaker/framemaker_new/PDF/fm_version_comparison_en.pdf Regards Dieter >Is there a good resource (link) that tells me what’s new and groovy with FM >2020? >Thanks all! >Sean ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
https://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:01 PM Sean wrote: > Is there a good resource (link) that tells me what’s new and groovy with > FM 2020? > > Thanks all! > > Sean > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
Optical margins are margins made to look visually straight. FrameMaker makes them actually straight. So, if you have a line that begin with, say, a quotation mark or an apostrophe, there is a bit more white space at that point on the line, because the character is small. Your eye notes that and your brain tells you that the column edge isn't exactly straight. With optical margins, characters are shifted slightly to make them visually appear straight. Here's a short article with a graphic that shows it: https://indesignsecrets.com/tip-of-the-week-using-optical-margin-alignment.php Yes, FrameMaker can use old style numerals if the file has them, but not automatically. You can't just type the numbers and get oldstyle, you have to use the Character Map to find them in the font and then copy or type in their Alt-codes. Programs that support OpenType features can be set to automatically convert to old style numerals. Again, yes, there are also fonts that have numerators/denominators and super/subscripts, and you can use them if you set up variables or go the Character Map route, but that's extra work. If Frame just had separate settings for them, instead of just one, you wouldn't even need a font that contained these characters. Or, if Frame utilized OpenType features, it would pick those automatically. But, you're right, I should file them as a feature request. Again. :) Mike On 1/16/2020 7:48 AM, Lin Sims wrote: What is an optical margin? Also, if you're looking for "old style numerals", are you talking about where numbers like the 3 extending slightly below the baseline? That appears to be a function of the font set as much as anything else. I'm pretty sure I've seen fonts that provide that still. As for super/subscripts or numerators/denominators, again, depending on the font you use, there are font sets that include super and subscript glyphs that work well as numerators and denominators, instead of using the superscript/subscript function on the character designer. I've got a whole set of variables that are just constructed fractions using built-in font glyphs. (We use Source Sans Pro because it has a lot of the mathematical symbols we need and it also lets us construct those fractions.) At any rate, if there are features you'd like added, you can always put in a feature request: https://tracker.adobe.com/#/home Talk about them here and I'm sure a bunch of us would vote for them. You can also make requests on the Adobe FrameMaker forum: https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/bd-p/framemaker?page=1&sort=latest_replies&filter=all and tag it with Feature Request. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:17 PM Mike Wickham wrote: New versions of FrameMaker always seem to concentrate on adding features for the structured community. I get it. That's the strenght of the program. But the new features I'd like to see involve handling of graphics and type. For example, it would be nice to be able to make a graphic float in the middle of a two-column page, and have both columns wrap around it. Or how about taking advantage of the various OpenType features that InDesign can handle with ease, but Frame is clueless about-- like easy, true small caps, or oldstyle numerals? Or optical margins and hanging indents, for a more modern, refined look in printed docs? Or a separate offset setting for numerators and denominators? Right now, you can set superscript and subscript offsets to work for either super/subscripts or numerators/denominators, but not both. Mike On 1/15/2020 2:54 PM, TW Smith wrote: Over the years, I've beta tested a few FrameMaker versions. I always test on live projects, which I know isn't the best idea, but it gives me information about how the beta works in the real world. Before the beta concludes, I save my project files as MIF, so I can continue documenting in the non-beta, current FM version. Not sure what I need in a new version of FM. Probably stronger Word filters, a better way to round-trip MIF, and a more robust and straightforward way of finding missing fonts in the actual files. Cheers. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:58 PM Robert Lauriston wrote: ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative question
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
Hi, Doug: I don't have any running FM versions to test these ideas, but two possibly helpful hoops might be: * Run additional instances of FM to display the items caught in modal-dialog limbo, but this might be a problem if FM's lock files prevent opening the same file multiple times, (like Heraclitus couldn't step into the same river twice.) A workaround for this could be to save the a copy of the file. * A script that captures the properties of selected objects. On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 9:34 AM Doug wrote: > What I'd like to see in a new version of FM is a non-modal information > dialog that displays all of the characteristics of the currently selected > frame. > > Currently I have to use separate information windows for anchor frames and > object properties, for example. They are non-modal, so that's good, but I > don't have the convenience of looking at the same location to view the data > I'm interested in, since they are separate dialogs. > > What's worse is that both text frames and graphic frames use modal > windows. I have to jump through some hoops to view their data, and because > they are modal, I can't use ANY other part of Framemaker unless I close > their Properties dialogs first. > > I'm using FM 2017 BTW. > > Computers are supposed to make our jobs easier. A single non-modal > information dialog is one way to do so. > > --Doug > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:17 PM Mike Wickham wrote: > > > New versions of FrameMaker always seem to concentrate on adding features > > for the structured community. I get it. That's the strenght of the > > program. But the new features I'd like to see involve handling of > > graphics and type. For example, it would be nice to be able to make a > > graphic float in the middle of a two-column page, and have both columns > > wrap around it. Or how about taking advantage of the various OpenType > > features that InDesign can handle with ease, but Frame is clueless > > about-- like easy, true small caps, or oldstyle numerals? Or optical > > margins and hanging indents, for a more modern, refined look in printed > > docs? Or a separate offset setting for numerators and denominators? > > Right now, you can set superscript and subscript offsets to work for > > either super/subscripts or numerators/denominators, but not both. > > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
Hi Doug, FYI: There's a free *FrameScript* script (FrameScript plugin required) that displays some information of different objects in a non-modal dialog: http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/free-scripts/metrics-palette/ (created 2003, still works in 2020 ...) Kind regards Klaus Müller Consulting & Process Automation itl AG, Munich, Germany +49 89 892623-660 -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 4:35 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 What I'd like to see in a new version of FM is a non-modal information dialog that displays all of the characteristics of the currently selected frame. Currently I have to use separate information windows for anchor frames and object properties, for example. They are non-modal, so that's good, but I don't have the convenience of looking at the same location to view the data I'm interested in, since they are separate dialogs. What's worse is that both text frames and graphic frames use modal windows. I have to jump through some hoops to view their data, and because they are modal, I can't use ANY other part of Framemaker unless I close their Properties dialogs first. I'm using FM 2017 BTW. Computers are supposed to make our jobs easier. A single non-modal information dialog is one way to do so. --Doug ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
What I'd like to see in a new version of FM is a non-modal information dialog that displays all of the characteristics of the currently selected frame. Currently I have to use separate information windows for anchor frames and object properties, for example. They are non-modal, so that's good, but I don't have the convenience of looking at the same location to view the data I'm interested in, since they are separate dialogs. What's worse is that both text frames and graphic frames use modal windows. I have to jump through some hoops to view their data, and because they are modal, I can't use ANY other part of Framemaker unless I close their Properties dialogs first. I'm using FM 2017 BTW. Computers are supposed to make our jobs easier. A single non-modal information dialog is one way to do so. --Doug On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:17 PM Mike Wickham wrote: > New versions of FrameMaker always seem to concentrate on adding features > for the structured community. I get it. That's the strenght of the > program. But the new features I'd like to see involve handling of > graphics and type. For example, it would be nice to be able to make a > graphic float in the middle of a two-column page, and have both columns > wrap around it. Or how about taking advantage of the various OpenType > features that InDesign can handle with ease, but Frame is clueless > about-- like easy, true small caps, or oldstyle numerals? Or optical > margins and hanging indents, for a more modern, refined look in printed > docs? Or a separate offset setting for numerators and denominators? > Right now, you can set superscript and subscript offsets to work for > either super/subscripts or numerators/denominators, but not both. > > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
What is an optical margin? Also, if you're looking for "old style numerals", are you talking about where numbers like the 3 extending slightly below the baseline? That appears to be a function of the font set as much as anything else. I'm pretty sure I've seen fonts that provide that still. As for super/subscripts or numerators/denominators, again, depending on the font you use, there are font sets that include super and subscript glyphs that work well as numerators and denominators, instead of using the superscript/subscript function on the character designer. I've got a whole set of variables that are just constructed fractions using built-in font glyphs. (We use Source Sans Pro because it has a lot of the mathematical symbols we need and it also lets us construct those fractions.) At any rate, if there are features you'd like added, you can always put in a feature request: https://tracker.adobe.com/#/home Talk about them here and I'm sure a bunch of us would vote for them. You can also make requests on the Adobe FrameMaker forum: https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/bd-p/framemaker?page=1&sort=latest_replies&filter=all and tag it with Feature Request. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:17 PM Mike Wickham wrote: > New versions of FrameMaker always seem to concentrate on adding features > for the structured community. I get it. That's the strenght of the > program. But the new features I'd like to see involve handling of > graphics and type. For example, it would be nice to be able to make a > graphic float in the middle of a two-column page, and have both columns > wrap around it. Or how about taking advantage of the various OpenType > features that InDesign can handle with ease, but Frame is clueless > about-- like easy, true small caps, or oldstyle numerals? Or optical > margins and hanging indents, for a more modern, refined look in printed > docs? Or a separate offset setting for numerators and denominators? > Right now, you can set superscript and subscript offsets to work for > either super/subscripts or numerators/denominators, but not both. > > Mike > > On 1/15/2020 2:54 PM, TW Smith wrote: > > Over the years, I've beta tested a few FrameMaker versions. I always test > > on live projects, which I know isn't the best idea, but it gives me > > information about how the beta works in the real world. Before the beta > > concludes, I save my project files as MIF, so I can continue documenting > in > > the non-beta, current FM version. Not sure what I need in a new version > of > > FM. Probably stronger Word filters, a better way to round-trip MIF, and a > > more robust and straightforward way of finding missing fonts in the > actual > > files. Cheers. > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:58 PM Robert Lauriston > > wrote: > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
FYI: I am currently using FrameMaker 12 to do a structured project for a client. FrameMaker 12 is certainly capable of working with structured documents. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. r...@frameexpert.com 585-729-6746 www.frameexpert.com/store/ -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 6:26 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 Ditto what Mike said. The ONLY reason I'm still sticking with Frame12 is because I have no need for structured documents and there haven't been enough non-structure improvements since FM12 to justify the cost of upgrading. Yes, some would-be-nice-to-haves, but nothing worth the price. The strength of FM is that I can still make it jump through serious advanced-level hoops despite its age. It just may take a bit longer. Same thing applies to me, too. Carol At 04:29 PM 1/15/2020, Mike Wickham wrote: >New versions of FrameMaker always seem to concentrate on adding >features for the structured community. I get it. That's the strenght >of the program. But the new features I'd like to see involve >handling of graphics and type. For example, it would be nice to be >able to make a graphic float in the middle of a two-column page, and >have both columns wrap around it. Or how about taking advantage of >the various OpenType features that InDesign can handle with ease, >but Frame is clueless about-- like easy, true small caps, or >oldstyle numerals? Or optical margins and hanging indents, for a >more modern, refined look in printed docs? Or a separate offset >setting for numerators and denominators? Right now, you can set >superscript and subscript offsets to work for either >super/subscripts or numerators/denominators, but not both. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
I have to stay within a couple of versions of the latest release to accommodate my tranlation vendors, who struggle to find older versions of software. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: "Carol J. Elkins" Date: 1/15/20 6:26 PM (GMT-05:00) To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 Ditto what Mike said. The ONLY reason I'm still sticking with Frame12 is because I have no need for structured documents and there haven't been enough non-structure improvements since FM12 to justify the cost of upgrading. Yes, some would-be-nice-to-haves, but nothing worth the price. The strength of FM is that I can still make it jump through serious advanced-level hoops despite its age. It just may take a bit longer. Same thing applies to me, too.CarolAt 04:29 PM 1/15/2020, Mike Wickham wrote:>New versions of FrameMaker always seem to concentrate on adding >features for the structured community. I get it. That's the strenght >of the program. But the new features I'd like to see involve >handling of graphics and type. For example, it would be nice to be >able to make a graphic float in the middle of a two-column page, and >have both columns wrap around it. Or how about taking advantage of >the various OpenType features that InDesign can handle with ease, >but Frame is clueless about-- like easy, true small caps, or >oldstyle numerals? Or optical margins and hanging indents, for a >more modern, refined look in printed docs? Or a separate offset >setting for numerators and denominators? Right now, you can set >superscript and subscript offsets to work for either >super/subscripts or numerators/denominators, but not both.___This message is from the Framers mailing listSend messages to framers@lists.frameusers.comVisit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.comArchives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.comSend administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
FrameMaker is a specialist tool for people who want template-driven PDFs (and optionally web help etc.) or who for whatever reason chose FrameMaker as part of their DITA toolchain. Adobe has no incentive to make it more competitive with InDesign as a page-layout program. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:17 PM Mike Wickham wrote: > > New versions of FrameMaker always seem to concentrate on adding features > for the structured community. I get it. That's the strenght of the > program. But the new features I'd like to see involve handling of > graphics and type. For example, it would be nice to be able to make a > graphic float in the middle of a two-column page, and have both columns > wrap around it. Or how about taking advantage of the various OpenType > features that InDesign can handle with ease, but Frame is clueless > about-- like easy, true small caps, or oldstyle numerals? Or optical > margins and hanging indents, for a more modern, refined look in printed > docs? Or a separate offset setting for numerators and denominators? > Right now, you can set superscript and subscript offsets to work for > either super/subscripts or numerators/denominators, but not both. > > Mike > > On 1/15/2020 2:54 PM, TW Smith wrote: > > Over the years, I've beta tested a few FrameMaker versions. I always test > > on live projects, which I know isn't the best idea, but it gives me > > information about how the beta works in the real world. Before the beta > > concludes, I save my project files as MIF, so I can continue documenting in > > the non-beta, current FM version. Not sure what I need in a new version of > > FM. Probably stronger Word filters, a better way to round-trip MIF, and a > > more robust and straightforward way of finding missing fonts in the actual > > files. Cheers. > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:58 PM Robert Lauriston > > wrote: > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
Ditto what Mike said. The ONLY reason I'm still sticking with Frame12 is because I have no need for structured documents and there haven't been enough non-structure improvements since FM12 to justify the cost of upgrading. Yes, some would-be-nice-to-haves, but nothing worth the price. The strength of FM is that I can still make it jump through serious advanced-level hoops despite its age. It just may take a bit longer. Same thing applies to me, too. Carol At 04:29 PM 1/15/2020, Mike Wickham wrote: New versions of FrameMaker always seem to concentrate on adding features for the structured community. I get it. That's the strenght of the program. But the new features I'd like to see involve handling of graphics and type. For example, it would be nice to be able to make a graphic float in the middle of a two-column page, and have both columns wrap around it. Or how about taking advantage of the various OpenType features that InDesign can handle with ease, but Frame is clueless about-- like easy, true small caps, or oldstyle numerals? Or optical margins and hanging indents, for a more modern, refined look in printed docs? Or a separate offset setting for numerators and denominators? Right now, you can set superscript and subscript offsets to work for either super/subscripts or numerators/denominators, but not both. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
New versions of FrameMaker always seem to concentrate on adding features for the structured community. I get it. That's the strenght of the program. But the new features I'd like to see involve handling of graphics and type. For example, it would be nice to be able to make a graphic float in the middle of a two-column page, and have both columns wrap around it. Or how about taking advantage of the various OpenType features that InDesign can handle with ease, but Frame is clueless about-- like easy, true small caps, or oldstyle numerals? Or optical margins and hanging indents, for a more modern, refined look in printed docs? Or a separate offset setting for numerators and denominators? Right now, you can set superscript and subscript offsets to work for either super/subscripts or numerators/denominators, but not both. Mike On 1/15/2020 2:54 PM, TW Smith wrote: Over the years, I've beta tested a few FrameMaker versions. I always test on live projects, which I know isn't the best idea, but it gives me information about how the beta works in the real world. Before the beta concludes, I save my project files as MIF, so I can continue documenting in the non-beta, current FM version. Not sure what I need in a new version of FM. Probably stronger Word filters, a better way to round-trip MIF, and a more robust and straightforward way of finding missing fonts in the actual files. Cheers. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:58 PM Robert Lauriston wrote: ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
Over the years, I've beta tested a few FrameMaker versions. I always test on live projects, which I know isn't the best idea, but it gives me information about how the beta works in the real world. Before the beta concludes, I save my project files as MIF, so I can continue documenting in the non-beta, current FM version. Not sure what I need in a new version of FM. Probably stronger Word filters, a better way to round-trip MIF, and a more robust and straightforward way of finding missing fonts in the actual files. Cheers. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:58 PM Robert Lauriston wrote: > FM 2019 was released in August 2018, so if they stick to the ~18-month > release cycle they've had for the past ten years, it's about time for > the next release. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_FrameMaker#Versions > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
FM 2019 was released in August 2018, so if they stick to the ~18-month release cycle they've had for the past ten years, it's about time for the next release. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_FrameMaker#Versions ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
My memory for dates is a sieve. Lynne is correct, and if the 18-month cycle holds true, we should see 2020 sometime in March. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:03 PM Lynne A. Price wrote: > I believe that FM 2019 was released in September, 2018--close enough to > 2019 to use the later year in the product name. > --Lynne > > On 1/14/2020 9:16 AM, Lin Sims wrote: > > IIRC, 2019 was > > released in January 2019, so expect something in June-ish. > > > -- > Lynne A. Price > Text Structure Consulting, Inc. > Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, > and training > lpr...@txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com > voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
I believe that FM 2019 was released in September, 2018--close enough to 2019 to use the later year in the product name. --Lynne On 1/14/2020 9:16 AM, Lin Sims wrote: IIRC, 2019 was released in January 2019, so expect something in June-ish. -- Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training lpr...@txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
Adobe seems to have stabilized on an 18-month release cycle. IIRC, 2019 was released in January 2019, so expect something in June-ish. And if I didn't recall correctly, add 18 months to whenever it actually was released. On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 9:37 AM Jeff Coatsworth < jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com> wrote: > That would be a big NOPE - haven't even heard any scuttlebutt on a beta > yet. > > > > From: Framers jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com> on behalf of Catherine Forrest < > catherine.forr...@ymail.com> > Sent: January 14, 2020 9:35 AM > To: Framers List > Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 > > Does anyone know when FrameMaker 2020 will be released? > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
...and... participants in Adobe pre-release programs (AKA beta testing) sign NDAs that preclude them from disclosing information about unreleased products unless and until Adobe gives permission. On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 11:02 AM Art Campbell wrote: > What Jeff said. And recent releases are on an odd-number year cycle > (2015-17-19), so don't hold your breath for anything soon. > > Art Campbell > art.campb...@gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and > a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. >DoD 358 > > > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 9:37 AM Jeff Coatsworth < > jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com> wrote: > > > That would be a big NOPE - haven't even heard any scuttlebutt on a beta > > yet. > > > > > > > > From: Framers > jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com> on behalf of Catherine Forrest < > > catherine.forr...@ymail.com> > > Sent: January 14, 2020 9:35 AM > > To: Framers List > > Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 > > > > Does anyone know when FrameMaker 2020 will be released? > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
What Jeff said. And recent releases are on an odd-number year cycle (2015-17-19), so don't hold your breath for anything soon. Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 9:37 AM Jeff Coatsworth < jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com> wrote: > That would be a big NOPE - haven't even heard any scuttlebutt on a beta > yet. > > > > From: Framers jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com> on behalf of Catherine Forrest < > catherine.forr...@ymail.com> > Sent: January 14, 2020 9:35 AM > To: Framers List > Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 > > Does anyone know when FrameMaker 2020 will be released? > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020
That would be a big NOPE - haven't even heard any scuttlebutt on a beta yet. From: Framers on behalf of Catherine Forrest Sent: January 14, 2020 9:35 AM To: Framers List Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 Does anyone know when FrameMaker 2020 will be released? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
