RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
Wow! Thanks to everyone who replied. I'm sorry I've taken so long to close this thread, but other work got in the way, and there were so many things to try! I don't think I got to them all, but here is what worked for me on my colleague's virtual machine: * Copy the infinity symbol from a Word document and use Paste Special Rich Text Format in FrameMaker. If I use a regular paste, I get a question mark. * Copy the infinity symbol from the Windows character map (ProgramsAccessoriesSystem Tools) and use Paste Special. But Winfried has a warning that the Windows Character Map might show characters that are not part of the font you're using. * Alt+0165 as blogged by Matt Sullivan, which gave me a yen symbol, and then I applied the Symbol font. I was trying 221E and I think Heiko Haida tried to explain that I can't produce characters over 00FF hex without modifying my Windows, so thanks for the alternate ANSI code, Matt. Fei Min From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:sullivanma...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 6:07 PM To: Paul Wilbraham Cc: Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems I was able to use the info in the FrameMaker Character Sets doc to insert using ANSI code 0165. The trick is to set the font to Symbol. For a writeup on this, and link to the Fm7 and Fm9 PDFs (I couldn't see a difference, but who knows...) see http://mattrsullivan.com/blog/fm/insert-infinity-char/ -Matt Matt R. Sullivan co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11http://framemaker11book.com/ P: 714.798.7596 | C: 714.585.2335 | m...@mattrsullivan.commailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com @mattrsullivanhttp://twitter.com/mattrsullivan linkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivan facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/mattrsullivan mattrsullivan.comhttp://mattrsullivan.com/ On Feb 14, 2014, at 5:38 AM, Paul Wilbraham paul.wilbra...@m-ais.commailto:paul.wilbra...@m-ais.com wrote: I'm working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit menu. I can't find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the symbol? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character
And if this isn't too late to the party: Alt+236 produces the infinity symbol in the Arial font. Ctrl+q+4 produces the infinity symbol in the Symbol font (looks a bit bolded compared to Arial). On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 3:59 AM, Davis, David david.da...@invensys.comwrote: Fei Min, there's a bit of confusion going on here! When you say... it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now The Unicode standard is not obsolete, it is alive and well at http://www.unicode.org :) It is not something defined by Adobe FrameMaker or Microsoft Windows. In any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e The Windows operating system doesn't give you access to Unicode characters by that method, so that's why that didn't work! :) The utility bundled with Windows to get to them is the venerable Character Map tool (quickest way to launch it is press Windows+R, type charmap and press return, and up it pops...) Its search function is not very good though, and it doesn't show you the characters unless the currently-selected font has a glyph for it - a bit useless, really. If you want something a bit more rigorous and heavy duty for finding exotic Unicode characters, I'd recommend the free Babel Map utility http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelMap.html Your method of cutting-and-pasting the character you want from Word isn't so very wrong though! - with either Character Map or Babel Map, that is still the method you have to use: find your character in the utility, then copy and paste it into Frame. (The reason in may go wrong in Word is because Word might be showing a character using a 'Dingbat' font, which substitutes a different glyph for a different character... so when Frame renders that character with a different font, you don't get the glyph you were expecting). -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:33:50 + From: Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems Message-ID: 422cbc2f0af7d24985d811d2e556f3f00ea9a...@onwater54m.ad.onsemi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit menu. I can't find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the symbol? My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can't use the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She gets other characters instead. She's resorted to copying and pasting from Word, and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the information I've found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older. Can anyone tell me what to do for FrameMaker 10? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.comhttp://www.onsemi.com/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20140213/39cd9421/attachment-0001.html *** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This email comes from a division of the Invensys Group, owned by Invensys plc, which is a company registered in England and Wales with its registered office at 3rd Floor, 40 Grosvenor Place, London, SW1X 7AW (Registered number 166023). For a list of European legal entities within the Invensys Group, please select the Legal Entities link at invensys.com. Invensys PLC is owned by the Schneider-Electric Group. You may contact Invensys plc on +44 (0)20 3155 1200 or e-mail recept...@invensys.com. This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). ___ You
Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
On 2014-Feb-14 3:23 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: Hi, Just for your information: The Windows Character Map tool may show characters, even if they are not part of the font! Therefore it could always happen that you try to copy and paste a certain character although it is not part of your font! Alternatives are. BabelMap, free and not very user-friendly. No installation necessary. You can start the exe which you download. http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelMap.html PopChars, often recommended, not free (30 Euros) http://www.ergonis.com/products/popcharwin/ Best regards Winfried Furthermore, the FM EditUtilitiesCharacter Palette also shows characters that do not exist in the font selected. FM will silently substitute a different font if you insert one of those characters using the utility. Very annoying. I use BabelMap; once you get used to it, it's not /too /hard to use. best, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character
Fei Min, there's a bit of confusion going on here! When you say... it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now The Unicode standard is not obsolete, it is alive and well at http://www.unicode.org :) It is not something defined by Adobe FrameMaker or Microsoft Windows. In any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e The Windows operating system doesn't give you access to Unicode characters by that method, so that's why that didn't work! :) The utility bundled with Windows to get to them is the venerable Character Map tool (quickest way to launch it is press Windows+R, type charmap and press return, and up it pops...) Its search function is not very good though, and it doesn't show you the characters unless the currently-selected font has a glyph for it - a bit useless, really. If you want something a bit more rigorous and heavy duty for finding exotic Unicode characters, I'd recommend the free Babel Map utility http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelMap.html Your method of cutting-and-pasting the character you want from Word isn't so very wrong though! - with either Character Map or Babel Map, that is still the method you have to use: find your character in the utility, then copy and paste it into Frame. (The reason in may go wrong in Word is because Word might be showing a character using a 'Dingbat' font, which substitutes a different glyph for a different character... so when Frame renders that character with a different font, you don't get the glyph you were expecting). -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:33:50 + From: Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems Message-ID: 422cbc2f0af7d24985d811d2e556f3f00ea9a...@onwater54m.ad.onsemi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit menu. I can't find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the symbol? My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can't use the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She gets other characters instead. She's resorted to copying and pasting from Word, and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the information I've found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older. Can anyone tell me what to do for FrameMaker 10? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.comhttp://www.onsemi.com/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20140213/39cd9421/attachment-0001.html *** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This email comes from a division of the Invensys Group, owned by Invensys plc, which is a company registered in England and Wales with its registered office at 3rd Floor, 40 Grosvenor Place, London, SW1X 7AW (Registered number 166023). For a list of European legal entities within the Invensys Group, please select the Legal Entities link at invensys.com. Invensys PLC is owned by the Schneider-Electric Group. You may contact Invensys plc on +44 (0)20 3155 1200 or e-mail recept...@invensys.com. This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to
Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
Red Face = I found the utilities under file to the right of the column I repeatedly stared at instead of looking around. Red Face returning to Green as in Beginner's Green. Thanks for sending me back to the place were it always was! TED On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Matt Sullivan sullivanma...@gmail.comwrote: Ted, there's nothing wrong with doing what you're doing, but it takes more keystrokes than other options. In Fm12 I have File Utilities Character Palette... you may want to check View Menus to see whether you have somehow clipped your menu selections. For the shortcuts Fred mentioned and more, see http://mattrsullivan.com/blog/fm/insert-infinity-char/, where I explain in more detail how to get what you want, and have links to the Adobe PDFs that are easier to reference than the online help lists. -Matt Matt R. Sullivan *co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11 http://framemaker11book.com/* *P:* 714.798.7596 | *C:* 714.585.2335 | m...@mattrsullivan.com http://twitter.com/mattrsullivan@mattrsullivanhttp://twitter.com/mattrsullivan http://www.linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivanlinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivan http://www.facebook.com/mattrsullivanfacebookhttp://www.facebook.com/mattrsullivan http://mattrsullivan.com/mattrsullivan.com On Feb 15, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Ted Steinberg mtedsteinb...@gmail.com wrote: I am using FrameMaker 12, unstructured = I don't see utilities under the file menu. Where would I find this ability to do diacriticals et al, and TM, Registered, et al? My workaround is to use windows character map, from which I copy and paste the symbol I want, regardless of how it looks, into my frame document, then I go to Frame's Character Catalogue and select the default paragraph font and that does it. I have not had an incompatibility issue because I think I am using well known adobe fonts. Am l AOK with this or an accident waiting to happen? *Is the above workaround the best solution or does Frame 12 have a better one?* Thanks, TED On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote: Ed Noodland wrote: Framemaker does not appear to handle hexadecimal values using the ALT + numeric keypad values. It does handle decimal values but I can't determine what the different code points (character values) are mapped to. ALT+8734 results in a solid triangle for me. But as of FrameMaker 9, there is a tool that allows input of hexadecimal (Unicode) character numbers. Look at FileUtilitiesHex Input. Not as convenient as the Alt-key, but it works. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as mtedsteinb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mtedsteinberg%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Ted Steinberg Tenstar Business Partners Minnesota, California, Costa Rica Apartado 185-7150 Turrialba, Cartago, Costa Rica 506-2556-5044 [Costa Rica] ted.steinberg5634 [Skype] mtedsteinb...@gmail.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as m...@mattrsullivan.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40mattrsullivan.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Ted Steinberg Tenstar Business Partners Minnesota, California, Costa Rica Apartado 185-7150 Turrialba, Cartago, Costa Rica 506-2556-5044 [Costa Rica] ted.steinberg5634 [Skype] mtedsteinb...@gmail.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
I am using FrameMaker 12, unstructured = I don't see utilities under the file menu. Where would I find this ability to do diacriticals et al, and TM, Registered, et al? My workaround is to use windows character map, from which I copy and paste the symbol I want, regardless of how it looks, into my frame document, then I go to Frame's Character Catalogue and select the default paragraph font and that does it. I have not had an incompatibility issue because I think I am using well known adobe fonts. Am l AOK with this or an accident waiting to happen? *Is the above workaround the best solution or does Frame 12 have a better one?* Thanks, TED On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote: Ed Noodland wrote: Framemaker does not appear to handle hexadecimal values using the ALT + numeric keypad values. It does handle decimal values but I can't determine what the different code points (character values) are mapped to. ALT+8734 results in a solid triangle for me. But as of FrameMaker 9, there is a tool that allows input of hexadecimal (Unicode) character numbers. Look at FileUtilitiesHex Input. Not as convenient as the Alt-key, but it works. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as mtedsteinb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mtedsteinberg%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Ted Steinberg Tenstar Business Partners Minnesota, California, Costa Rica Apartado 185-7150 Turrialba, Cartago, Costa Rica 506-2556-5044 [Costa Rica] ted.steinberg5634 [Skype] mtedsteinb...@gmail.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
Ed Noodland wrote: Framemaker does not appear to handle hexadecimal values using the ALT + numeric keypad values. It does handle decimal values but I can't determine what the different code points (character values) are mapped to. ALT+8734 results in a solid triangle for me. But as of FrameMaker 9, there is a tool that allows input of hexadecimal (Unicode) character numbers. Look at FileUtilitiesHex Input. Not as convenient as the Alt-key, but it works. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
The File Utilities location I cited is where the Unicode/hex tools were located in FrameMaker 9 (which is what I am still using for a variety of reasons). Adobe being Adobe, I'm sure they have moved and/or renamed the tools a couple of times in the intervening releases between 9 and 12. The best suggestion is to open the PDF of the User Guide and search for hex. This should direct you to a dozen or two locations in the manual where the character palette and hex input palette (or whatever they are calling them now) are discussed, and those descriptions should tell you where the palettes are invoked. But for common symbols like TM, registered trademark, and copyright symbols, the easiest solution is to use the keyboard shortcuts that you should also be able to find in the PDF manual: For ™: Crtl+q, then * For ®: Ctrl+q, then ( For ©: Ctrl+q, then ) Or use the standard Windows shortcuts: For ™: Alt+0153 For®: Alt+0173 For ©: Al+0169 Note that for each of these you hold down the Alt key while typing the 4-digit code on the *numeric keypad* (with NumLock on, of course). -Fred Ridder From: mtedsteinb...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 13:20:06 -0600 Subject: Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems To: docu...@hotmail.com CC: enodl...@gmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com I am using FrameMaker 12, unstructured = I don't see utilities under the file menu. Where would I find this ability to do diacriticals et al, and TM, Registered, et al? My workaround is to use windows character map, from which I copy and paste the symbol I want, regardless of how it looks, into my frame document, then I go to Frame's Character Catalogue and select the default paragraph font and that does it. I have not had an incompatibility issue because I think I am using well known adobe fonts. Am l AOK with this or an accident waiting to happen? Is the above workaround the best solution or does Frame 12 have a better one? Thanks, TED On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote: Ed Noodland wrote: Framemaker does not appear to handle hexadecimal values using the ALT + numeric keypad values. It does handle decimal values but I can't determine what the different code points (character values) are mapped to. ALT+8734 results in a solid triangle for me. But as of FrameMaker 9, there is a tool that allows input of hexadecimal (Unicode) character numbers. Look at FileUtilitiesHex Input. Not as convenient as the Alt-key, but it works. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
Hi, Just for your information: The Windows Character Map tool may show characters, even if they are not part of the font! Therefore it could always happen that you try to copy and paste a certain character although it is not part of your font! Alternatives are. BabelMap, free and not very user-friendly. No installation necessary. You can start the exe which you download. http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelMap.html PopChars, often recommended, not free (30 Euros) http://www.ergonis.com/products/popcharwin/ Best regards Winfried From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lise Bible Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 9:12 PM To: Fei Min Lorente Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems Fei Min, I'm on Frame 8, so I have no solutions for Frame 10, but have you tried using Windows Character Map (under ProgramsAccessoriesSystem Tools) as a workaround? I was able to find and copy the ∞ symbol from there. Not a terribly elegant solution, but an alternative to copy/paste from Word... -Lise On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: I’m working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit menu. I can’t find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the symbol? My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can’t use the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She gets other characters instead. She’s resorted to copying and pasting from Word, and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the information I’ve found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older. Can anyone tell me what to do for FrameMaker 10? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229tel:%2B1%20519-884-9696%20ext.%202229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931tel:%2B1%20519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724tel:%2B1%20905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.comhttp://www.onsemi.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rentagoodb...@gmail.commailto:rentagoodb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rentagoodbook%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate. This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in respect of any information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and immediately destroy this e-mail and its attachments. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
Can you get the symbol in Word? This site might help: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/221e/index.htm On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: I'm working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit menu. I can't find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the symbol? My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can't use the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She gets other characters instead. She's resorted to copying and pasting from Word, and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the information I've found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older. Can anyone tell me what to do for FrameMaker 10? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rob...@lauriston.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/robert%40lauriston.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
Hi Fei Min, you can not produce a character above 255 (decimal) = 00FF (hexadec.) without modding your Windows. If you absolutely want to use the alt + ... for Unicode characters, you have to set the key value of HKEY_CURRENT_USERControl PanelInput MethodEnableHexNumpad to 1. For more information how to use this, please see: -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_input in the section: Hexadecimal code input -- In Microsoft Windows This is a very useful little trick! - If your colleague still gets a question mark, I think it is because a font is applied (for whatever reason that may be...) that does not contain this character. Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin Fei Min Lorente: Thank you for the directions to the Character Palette. That works for me, but my colleague is still getting a question mark when she tries to insert the infinity symbol. There's obviously something wrong with her setup. Yes, the Character Palette is crude, so it really helped to know that 221E would get me the infinity symbol; otherwise I could spend all day looking for it, and still miss it. Also, thanks for this site, Robert: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/221e/index.htm [1]. It's very thorough, and it was reassuring to know that the infinity symbol is available in Trebuchet, which is the font we're using. Fei Min FROM: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] SENT: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:39 PM TO: Lise Bible; Fei Min Lorente CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com SUBJECT: RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems Windows Character Map should work, but not all systems have it installed. My company's IT department, for example, does not include it in the standard corporate desktop image. But the necessary executable *is* present in all Windows 7 system installations, and you can install it as a Windows component from the Add Programs control panel tool. But as of FM9, FrameMaker itself has a similar (albeit *very* crude looking...) tool built in. Go to EditUtilitiesCharacter Palette. And if you know the Unicode character number, you can also use FileUtilitiesHex Input, whihc is even cruder looking than the Character Palette (if that is possible). -Fred Ridder - From: rentagoodb...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:11:54 -0600 Subject: Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems To: feimin.lore...@onsemi.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com Fei Min, I'm on Frame 8, so I have no solutions for Frame 10, but have you tried using Windows Character Map (under ProgramsAccessoriesSystem Tools) as a workaround? I was able to find and copy the ∞ symbol from there. Not a terribly elegant solution, but an alternative to copy/paste from Word... -Lise On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: I'm working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit menu. I can't find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the symbol? My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can't use the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She gets other characters instead. She's resorted to copying and pasting from Word, and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the information I've found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older. Can anyone tell me what to do for FrameMaker 10? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com [2] Links: -- [1] http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/221e/index.htm [2] http://www.onsemi.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
Framemaker does not appear to handle hexadecimal values using the ALT + numeric keypad values. It does handle decimal values but I can't determine what the different code points (character values) are mapped to. ALT+8734 results in a solid triangle for me. You can select File Utilities Character Palete and then use the single, double and triple scroll buttons to move down to 221, then look in column E to find the infinity symbol. Click it to insert the character into your content. Ed Nodland On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: I’m working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit menu. I can’t find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the symbol? My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can’t use the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She gets other characters instead. She’s resorted to copying and pasting from Word, and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the information I’ve found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older. Can anyone tell me what to do for FrameMaker 10? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as enodl...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/enodland%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
Re. the infinity symbol, this is what I have tried: 1. When I copy the infinity symbol from the Character Map and paste it directly into a new portrait FM document (unstructured) - paragraph set to use Arial Unicode MS - the result is a question mark. I also use an FM10 DITA application to create XML files, so: 2. When I copy the infinity symbol from the Character Map and paste it directly into a DITA XML file - opened in Notepad++ - the infinity symbol appears correctly in the XML file. 3. When I open that XML file - via my FM10 DITA application - into an FM XML document, the infinity symbol is displayed correctly. I can copy the infinity symbol - in DITA FM - and paste it in the Find Text window where it also appears correct and where clicking find functions correctly. 4. I can copy the infinity symbols in my FM XML document, create a new portrait FM document (unstructured) and it appears correct. When I then change the para font from Arial Unicode MS to Times New Roman, the infinity symbol still displays correctly but in the Times NR font. 5. I close and save the unstructured FM document and then reopen it and the infinity symbols is displayed correctly in both Arial Unicode MS and Times New Roman. 6. Lastly, I copied and pasted the symbol from the Character Map into a regular Notepad document and saved (UTF-8 encoding) and imported this text file by copying into the unstructured FM file and it imported correctly. So, I also couldn't find any keyboard shortcut method to produce the symbol either, but using method 6, I could populate my FM document with the symbol correctly and then be able to use it freely in the document. At least a workaround. --Paul Wilbraham Paul Wilbraham Senior Consultant Trainer M-AIS T: 0131 226 5893 M: 07928 797 281 On 13 February 2014 19:33, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.comwrote: I'm working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit menu. I can't find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the symbol? My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can't use the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She gets other characters instead. She's resorted to copying and pasting from Word, and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the information I've found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older. Can anyone tell me what to do for FrameMaker 10? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as paul.wilbra...@m-ais.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/paul.wilbraham%40m-ais.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
Fei Min, I'm on Frame 8, so I have no solutions for Frame 10, but have you tried using Windows Character Map (under ProgramsAccessoriesSystem Tools) as a workaround? I was able to find and copy the ∞ symbol from there. Not a terribly elegant solution, but an alternative to copy/paste from Word... -Lise On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.comwrote: I’m working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit menu. I can’t find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the symbol? My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can’t use the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She gets other characters instead. She’s resorted to copying and pasting from Word, and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the information I’ve found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older. Can anyone tell me what to do for FrameMaker 10? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rentagoodb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rentagoodbook%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- *Save the earth.* It's the only planet with chocolate. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
Windows Character Map should work, but not all systems have it installed. My company's IT department, for example, does not include it in the standard corporate desktop image. But the necessary executable *is* present in all Windows 7 system installations, and you can install it as a Windows component from the Add Programs control panel tool. But as of FM9, FrameMaker itself has a similar (albeit *very* crude looking...) tool built in. Go to EditUtilitiesCharacter Palette. And if you know the Unicode character number, you can also use FileUtilitiesHex Input, whihc is even cruder looking than the Character Palette (if that is possible). -Fred Ridder From: rentagoodb...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:11:54 -0600 Subject: Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems To: feimin.lore...@onsemi.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com Fei Min,I'm on Frame 8, so I have no solutions for Frame 10, but have you tried using Windows Character Map (under ProgramsAccessoriesSystem Tools) as a workaround? I was able to find and copy the ∞ symbol from there. Not a terribly elegant solution, but an alternative to copy/paste from Word...-Lise On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: I’m working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit menu. I can’t find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the symbol? My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can’t use the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She gets other characters instead. She’s resorted to copying and pasting from Word, and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the information I’ve found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older. Can anyone tell me what to do for FrameMaker 10? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rentagoodb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rentagoodbook%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems
Thank you for the directions to the Character Palette. That works for me, but my colleague is still getting a question mark when she tries to insert the infinity symbol. There’s obviously something wrong with her setup. Yes, the Character Palette is crude, so it really helped to know that 221E would get me the infinity symbol; otherwise I could spend all day looking for it, and still miss it. Also, thanks for this site, Robert: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/221e/index.htm. It’s very thorough, and it was reassuring to know that the infinity symbol is available in Trebuchet, which is the font we’re using. Fei Min From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:39 PM To: Lise Bible; Fei Min Lorente Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems Windows Character Map should work, but not all systems have it installed. My company's IT department, for example, does not include it in the standard corporate desktop image. But the necessary executable *is* present in all Windows 7 system installations, and you can install it as a Windows component from the Add Programs control panel tool. But as of FM9, FrameMaker itself has a similar (albeit *very* crude looking...) tool built in. Go to EditUtilitiesCharacter Palette. And if you know the Unicode character number, you can also use FileUtilitiesHex Input, whihc is even cruder looking than the Character Palette (if that is possible). -Fred Ridder From: rentagoodb...@gmail.commailto:rentagoodb...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:11:54 -0600 Subject: Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems To: feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Fei Min, I'm on Frame 8, so I have no solutions for Frame 10, but have you tried using Windows Character Map (under ProgramsAccessoriesSystem Tools) as a workaround? I was able to find and copy the ∞ symbol from there. Not a terribly elegant solution, but an alternative to copy/paste from Word... -Lise On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: I’m working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit menu. I can’t find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the symbol? My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can’t use the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She gets other characters instead. She’s resorted to copying and pasting from Word, and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the information I’ve found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older. Can anyone tell me what to do for FrameMaker 10? Fei Min Lorente Senior Technical Communicator Medical and Wireless Division feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office +1 519-831-4931 | mobile +1 905-631-5724 | fax www.onsemi.comhttp://www.onsemi.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rentagoodb...@gmail.commailto:rentagoodb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rentagoodbook%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.commailto:docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send
