Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax
Probably you need to modify the stuff in the index flow on the reference page in the generated index file, same as for formatting the table of contents. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 5:04 PM, VLM TechSubs techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org wrote: Greetings! I’m going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the content “America:Coinage Act of 1965”. This appears in the index as a line under “America”, indented to the second level (correct so far), but with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted the marker content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated the marker from scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax
It looks like this? America 1 Just as an experiment, you might try taking the word of out of the marker text. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 5:09 PM, VLM TechSubs techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org wrote: I should add that the result is supposed to look like America Coinage Act of 1965 . . . . . 1 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax
I am with Jeremy on this - I have seen some instances of screwy behavior when index entries are combined in a marker. These days I always put a single entry in any marker. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith jer...@omsys.com wrote: On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 17:20:05 -0700, VLM TechSubs techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org wrote: Could there be a problem with putting two separate entries of such construction into a single index marker? Are they separated with a semicolon? And no extra semis before or after? That should work, but we consider keeping them one per marker, preferably with at least one char of real text between markers so you can see how many you have, to be best practice. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.comhttp://mif2go.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as john.sgamm...@actifio.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/john.sgammato%40actifio.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- http://www.actifio.com/*John Sgammato, Documentation Architect* *e* john.sgamm...@actifio.com *c* 508.927.2083 *t* @actifiodocs http://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 http://twitter.com/actifio http://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts http://www.youtube.com/user/actifiohttp://www.actifio.com/ *Radically simple copy data management * *.** * ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax
Did you create the index from scratch with the Add File Generated Index command? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax
Is there an index marker for America by itself? Conceivably that could affect what's nested underneath it. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:34 PM, VLM TechSubs techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org wrote: One proverbial more thing ... In the mif file, there are actually two markers back to back, separated by the word The : Marker MType 2 MTypeName `Index' MText `Coinage:Debasement:Coinage Act of 1965' MCurrPage `112' Unique 1027096 # end of Marker String `The ' Marker MType 2 MTypeName `Index' MText `America:Coinage Act of 1965' MCurrPage `112' Unique 1026673 # end of Marker The first (3 levels) works, the second (two levels) fails. These are in the same document, on the same page, constructed in what appears to me to be the same manner in every respect. Shall I unsheathe my sword, in case falling on it becomes appealing? :) Well, not sure what to do next. Best to all, and many thanks, Elchanan -Original Message- From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 8:33 PM To: 'Frank Stearns' Cc: 'Framers' Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax Okay ... I closed FM, reopened FM, saved every file in the book as mif, closed FM, moved all the .fm files to another directory, relaunched FM, opened and saved the book and each file back as .fm, saved and closed everything, shut FM, relaunched FM, reopened everything, saved everything, generated, and poof ... same result. Sigh ... (again) So as Frank suggested, I traced one of the faulty markers into the mif file for the source chapter, and it says: Marker MType 2 MTypeName `Index' MText `America:Coinage Act of 1965' MCurrPage `112' Unique 1026673 # end of Marker which looks fine to me, but someone more knowledgeable might spot something that I'm missing. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! And Frank, if you really are willing to look at the file, I'd be most grateful and eager. :) Best to all, Elchanan -Original Message- From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 7:59 PM To: 'Frank Stearns' Cc: 'Framers' Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax Oh, I don't know what I was thinking. I've got a mif file open in Notepad++, no problem. Will write more in a bit. Elchanan -Original Message- From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:43 PM To: 'Frank Stearns' Cc: 'Framers' Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax Thanks Frank, Robert, Jeremy, et. al. I so appreciate your help! More info: 1. I now see that even a simple marker entry EmphasisEisphora has this problem. It appears in the correct location alphabetically, it just looks like . . . . . . 1 2. The original files were created in Word, but with no indexing. I put in 100% of these markers by hand, by myself, this week, in FrameMaker 8. In other words, they shouldn't be affected by Word or the like. FYI, the ToC works just fine. 3. I just did the following: 3.1 Shut Frame. 3.2 Relaunched Frame. 3.3 Opened book file. 3.4 Opened all files in book. Got some font and xref error messages, clicked through those. 3.5 Highlighted, then saved, all files in book. 3.6 Generated ToC and index. 3.7 Saved all files in book. 3.8 Opened index. 3.9 Found one of the offending entries, jumped to its source. It was a compound marker (2 entries in one marker). 3.10 I copied one of the entries for reference, clicked in the document a few words away, and manually typed in the text for the marker America:Income tax of 1894, just like that. 3.11 Went to book file, all files selected, save all files in book, then generate. 3.12 Entry appears in the correct location, without any text only page #, and when I jump from that page number it takes me to the new marker I just created. 3.13 So I jump there, notice that the original marker is still in place, delete it, returned to 3.7 or so, repeated the whole process, same result. 3.14 Saved the index as mif, closed it, deleted the .fm version, reopened from mif, saved as FM 8, went to book, save all files in book, generate, save all files in book, jump to index, and voila! Same result as before. Sigh ... BTW, between steps, I recall breathing. :) Frank, I am most willing and eager to try your step #4, but I've forgotten how to open the mif as text in Frame, after saving it. ??? Thanks, Elchanan -Original Message- From: Frank Stearns [mailto:fra...@fsatools.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:03 PM To: VLM TechSubs Cc: Framers Subject: Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote: Greetings! I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the content America:Coinage Act of 1965
RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax
Boy of boy, is this topic burning up the bandwidth! Have you tried setting up a very simple test scenario where there is one file and a handful of markers so you can troubleshoot what is going on? Craig ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax
Thanks for responding so quickly, Jack. But, isn't the colon the standard FrameMaker subentry separator? At http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/help.html?content=Chap12-TOC-Indexes_19.html, docs say: _ To create a subentry: Separate the entry from the subentry with a colon (:). For example, to create the first subentry in the illustration, enter Continental drift:fossil evidence A subentry is always preceded by the entry to which it is subordinate. If you need two subentry levels, place a colon between the subentry and the sub-subentry. For example, enter Continental drift:fossil evidence:dating of _ How does what I'm doing differ from this? I have a whole bunch of these, and they are all failing. Could there be a problem with putting two separate entries of such construction into a single index marker? Was never a problem in 5.5.6 (last version in which I built a major index). I'm feeling VERY bewildered at the moment! :) Elchanan From: Jack DeLand [mailto:jackdel...@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:10 PM To: 'VLM TechSubs' Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax Probably misunderstands your colon. Jack DeLand, CSM | 734 972 3026 (cell) | jack.deland (skype) | www.linkedin.com/in/jackdeland From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of VLM TechSubs Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 8:04 PM To: Framers Subject: FM 8: Index marker syntax Greetings! I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the content America:Coinage Act of 1965. This appears in the index as a line under America, indented to the second level (correct so far), but with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted the marker content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated the marker from scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here? Thanks, Elchanan ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 17:20:05 -0700, VLM TechSubs techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org wrote: Could there be a problem with putting two separate entries of such construction into a single index marker? Are they separated with a semicolon? And no extra semis before or after? That should work, but we consider keeping them one per marker, preferably with at least one char of real text between markers so you can see how many you have, to be best practice. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.comhttp://mif2go.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote: Greetings! I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the content America:Coinage Act of 1965. This appears in the index as a line under America, indented to the second level (correct so far), but with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted the marker content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated the marker from scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here? If entered as stated, you should be fine. But, after having specialized in FM indexes for 20+ years, we have seen some odd things happen with markers... 1. Was this document originally created in Word then imported to FM? Sometimes those converted markers are dirty and contain unseen, unprintable characters that can cause odd FM behavior. BTW, there is NO CR or LF in the entry, correct? Your entry is one string, on one line in the marker? 2. Try a MIF wash. But this won't remove unwanted bad characters. It will just refresh/rebuild the object lists. 3. For fun, put a new marker, hand typed, at or near the same place (no copy and paste). Does that new entry work? 4. If you're really adventurous, save as MIF, search for the entry, and see what all might be included with that marker. (Relates to #1, above.) If all of the above fails, feel free to send us a copy of the doc for evaluation. Hope this helps, Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r) *** IXGEN 7-10 for FRAMEMAKER 10/11 IS HERE! *** fra...@fsatools.com mailto:fra...@fsatools.com TOLL FREE Voice (USA and Canada): 800-567-6421 USA Voice: 435-275-8981 http://www.fsatools.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax
Yes, I created the index that way in the beginning, and I recreated it that way again a short while ago. In the second instance, I imported formats from the prior index file (saved under an alternate name), except for the reference page. I thought I'd start from scratch there. But I've done very little, just added the tabs necessary to activate the placement of tab characters in front of page numbers. Elchanan -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:42 PM To: VLM TechSubs Cc: Framers Subject: Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax Did you create the index from scratch with the Add File Generated Index command? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax
Thanks Frank, Robert, Jeremy, et. al. I so appreciate your help! More info: 1. I now see that even a simple marker entry EmphasisEisphora has this problem. It appears in the correct location alphabetically, it just looks like . . . . . . 1 2. The original files were created in Word, but with no indexing. I put in 100% of these markers by hand, by myself, this week, in FrameMaker 8. In other words, they shouldn't be affected by Word or the like. FYI, the ToC works just fine. 3. I just did the following: 3.1 Shut Frame. 3.2 Relaunched Frame. 3.3 Opened book file. 3.4 Opened all files in book. Got some font and xref error messages, clicked through those. 3.5 Highlighted, then saved, all files in book. 3.6 Generated ToC and index. 3.7 Saved all files in book. 3.8 Opened index. 3.9 Found one of the offending entries, jumped to its source. It was a compound marker (2 entries in one marker). 3.10 I copied one of the entries for reference, clicked in the document a few words away, and manually typed in the text for the marker America:Income tax of 1894, just like that. 3.11 Went to book file, all files selected, save all files in book, then generate. 3.12 Entry appears in the correct location, without any text only page #, and when I jump from that page number it takes me to the new marker I just created. 3.13 So I jump there, notice that the original marker is still in place, delete it, returned to 3.7 or so, repeated the whole process, same result. 3.14 Saved the index as mif, closed it, deleted the .fm version, reopened from mif, saved as FM 8, went to book, save all files in book, generate, save all files in book, jump to index, and voila! Same result as before. Sigh ... BTW, between steps, I recall breathing. :) Frank, I am most willing and eager to try your step #4, but I've forgotten how to open the mif as text in Frame, after saving it. ??? Thanks, Elchanan -Original Message- From: Frank Stearns [mailto:fra...@fsatools.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:03 PM To: VLM TechSubs Cc: Framers Subject: Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote: Greetings! I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the content America:Coinage Act of 1965. This appears in the index as a line under America, indented to the second level (correct so far), but with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted the marker content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated the marker from scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here? If entered as stated, you should be fine. But, after having specialized in FM indexes for 20+ years, we have seen some odd things happen with markers... 1. Was this document originally created in Word then imported to FM? Sometimes those converted markers are dirty and contain unseen, unprintable characters that can cause odd FM behavior. BTW, there is NO CR or LF in the entry, correct? Your entry is one string, on one line in the marker? 2. Try a MIF wash. But this won't remove unwanted bad characters. It will just refresh/rebuild the object lists. 3. For fun, put a new marker, hand typed, at or near the same place (no copy and paste). Does that new entry work? 4. If you're really adventurous, save as MIF, search for the entry, and see what all might be included with that marker. (Relates to #1, above.) If all of the above fails, feel free to send us a copy of the doc for evaluation. Hope this helps, Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r) *** IXGEN 7-10 for FRAMEMAKER 10/11 IS HERE! *** fra...@fsatools.com mailto:fra...@fsatools.com TOLL FREE Voice (USA and Canada): 800-567-6421 USA Voice: 435-275-8981 http://www.fsatools.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax
Oh, I don't know what I was thinking. I've got a mif file open in Notepad++, no problem. Will write more in a bit. Elchanan -Original Message- From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:43 PM To: 'Frank Stearns' Cc: 'Framers' Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax Thanks Frank, Robert, Jeremy, et. al. I so appreciate your help! More info: 1. I now see that even a simple marker entry EmphasisEisphora has this problem. It appears in the correct location alphabetically, it just looks like . . . . . . 1 2. The original files were created in Word, but with no indexing. I put in 100% of these markers by hand, by myself, this week, in FrameMaker 8. In other words, they shouldn't be affected by Word or the like. FYI, the ToC works just fine. 3. I just did the following: 3.1 Shut Frame. 3.2 Relaunched Frame. 3.3 Opened book file. 3.4 Opened all files in book. Got some font and xref error messages, clicked through those. 3.5 Highlighted, then saved, all files in book. 3.6 Generated ToC and index. 3.7 Saved all files in book. 3.8 Opened index. 3.9 Found one of the offending entries, jumped to its source. It was a compound marker (2 entries in one marker). 3.10 I copied one of the entries for reference, clicked in the document a few words away, and manually typed in the text for the marker America:Income tax of 1894, just like that. 3.11 Went to book file, all files selected, save all files in book, then generate. 3.12 Entry appears in the correct location, without any text only page #, and when I jump from that page number it takes me to the new marker I just created. 3.13 So I jump there, notice that the original marker is still in place, delete it, returned to 3.7 or so, repeated the whole process, same result. 3.14 Saved the index as mif, closed it, deleted the .fm version, reopened from mif, saved as FM 8, went to book, save all files in book, generate, save all files in book, jump to index, and voila! Same result as before. Sigh ... BTW, between steps, I recall breathing. :) Frank, I am most willing and eager to try your step #4, but I've forgotten how to open the mif as text in Frame, after saving it. ??? Thanks, Elchanan -Original Message- From: Frank Stearns [mailto:fra...@fsatools.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:03 PM To: VLM TechSubs Cc: Framers Subject: Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote: Greetings! I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the content America:Coinage Act of 1965. This appears in the index as a line under America, indented to the second level (correct so far), but with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted the marker content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated the marker from scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here? If entered as stated, you should be fine. But, after having specialized in FM indexes for 20+ years, we have seen some odd things happen with markers... 1. Was this document originally created in Word then imported to FM? Sometimes those converted markers are dirty and contain unseen, unprintable characters that can cause odd FM behavior. BTW, there is NO CR or LF in the entry, correct? Your entry is one string, on one line in the marker? 2. Try a MIF wash. But this won't remove unwanted bad characters. It will just refresh/rebuild the object lists. 3. For fun, put a new marker, hand typed, at or near the same place (no copy and paste). Does that new entry work? 4. If you're really adventurous, save as MIF, search for the entry, and see what all might be included with that marker. (Relates to #1, above.) If all of the above fails, feel free to send us a copy of the doc for evaluation. Hope this helps, Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r) *** IXGEN 7-10 for FRAMEMAKER 10/11 IS HERE! *** fra...@fsatools.com mailto:fra...@fsatools.com TOLL FREE Voice (USA and Canada): 800-567-6421 USA Voice: 435-275-8981 http://www.fsatools.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote: 1. I now see that even a simple marker entry EmphasisEisphora has this problem. It appears in the correct location alphabetically, it just looks like . . . . . . 1 2. The original files were created in Word, but with no indexing. I put in 100% of these markers by hand, by myself, this week, in FrameMaker 8. In other words, they shouldn't be affected by Word or the like. FYI, the ToC works just fine. 3. I just did the following: 3.1 Shut Frame. 3.2 Relaunched Frame. 3.3 Opened book file. 3.4 Opened all files in book. Got some font and xref error messages, clicked through those. 3.5 Highlighted, then saved, all files in book. 3.6 Generated ToC and index. 3.7 Saved all files in book. 3.8 Opened index. 3.9 Found one of the offending entries, jumped to its source. It was a compound marker (2 entries in one marker). 3.10 I copied one of the entries for reference, clicked in the document a few words away, and manually typed in the text for the marker America:Income tax of 1894, just like that. 3.11 Went to book file, all files selected, save all files in book, then generate. 3.12 Entry appears in the correct location, without any text only page #, and when I jump from that page number it takes me to the new marker I just created. 3.13 So I jump there, notice that the original marker is still in place, delete it, returned to 3.7 or so, repeated the whole process, same result. 3.14 Saved the index as mif, closed it, deleted the .fm version, reopened from mif, saved as FM 8, went to book, save all files in book, generate, save all files in book, jump to index, and voila! Same result as before. Sigh ... BTW, between steps, I recall breathing. :) Frank, I am most willing and eager to try your step #4, but I've forgotten how to open the mif as text in Frame, after saving it. I know there's a way to do that, but can't recall it. We've always used a programmer's plain text editor -- even notepad or wordpad will work fine. Avoids trying to get Frame to play in a way it doesn't want to. :) This is all pretty nutty, that's for sure. A few more random thoughts... 1. The Word source still makes me cautious. If you highlight text to create a marker, or even were to use our IXgen tool to create markers, there can still be those nasty non-printing characters that would be picked up from body text and transferred into a new marker and cause problems. 1A. When you hand typed a marker, was the entry field completely clear? (Those non-printing chars can be insideous. Click next to one in the body that you can't see and the marker dialog autofill might pick it up, and you'd never know it. 2. Forgot to verify the obvious: most of the markers are working correctly, and these are just isolated cases? Or, are you seeing the same thing happen any time you have an entry with a second level and/or font change? 3. Have you done a cold restart of your system? Shut it down completely, power supply switch OFF for a few minutes, then a reboot? I know, it's crazy, however 4. In the IX file you generate, have you examined the reference pages that set up your entry formats? Are all the components there? Have you examined the entry para formats for anything odd? If you move the cursor through the entries in the main flow, do you notice if in the problem entries the para or char tag name suddenly becomes starred, indicating a deviation from the catalog settings? Finally, I have a very fuzzy memory that FM8 had introduced some bugs in marker handling... Anyone else remember this? Do you have the lastest version of FM8? Continued good luck with it!! Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r) *** IXGEN 7-10 for FRAMEMAKER 10/11 IS HERE! *** fra...@fsatools.com mailto:fra...@fsatools.com TOLL FREE Voice (USA and Canada): 800-567-6421 USA Voice: 435-275-8981 http://www.fsatools.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax
Okay ... I closed FM, reopened FM, saved every file in the book as mif, closed FM, moved all the .fm files to another directory, relaunched FM, opened and saved the book and each file back as .fm, saved and closed everything, shut FM, relaunched FM, reopened everything, saved everything, generated, and poof ... same result. Sigh ... (again) So as Frank suggested, I traced one of the faulty markers into the mif file for the source chapter, and it says: Marker MType 2 MTypeName `Index' MText `America:Coinage Act of 1965' MCurrPage `112' Unique 1026673 # end of Marker which looks fine to me, but someone more knowledgeable might spot something that I'm missing. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! And Frank, if you really are willing to look at the file, I'd be most grateful and eager. :) Best to all, Elchanan -Original Message- From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 7:59 PM To: 'Frank Stearns' Cc: 'Framers' Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax Oh, I don't know what I was thinking. I've got a mif file open in Notepad++, no problem. Will write more in a bit. Elchanan -Original Message- From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:43 PM To: 'Frank Stearns' Cc: 'Framers' Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax Thanks Frank, Robert, Jeremy, et. al. I so appreciate your help! More info: 1. I now see that even a simple marker entry EmphasisEisphora has this problem. It appears in the correct location alphabetically, it just looks like . . . . . . 1 2. The original files were created in Word, but with no indexing. I put in 100% of these markers by hand, by myself, this week, in FrameMaker 8. In other words, they shouldn't be affected by Word or the like. FYI, the ToC works just fine. 3. I just did the following: 3.1 Shut Frame. 3.2 Relaunched Frame. 3.3 Opened book file. 3.4 Opened all files in book. Got some font and xref error messages, clicked through those. 3.5 Highlighted, then saved, all files in book. 3.6 Generated ToC and index. 3.7 Saved all files in book. 3.8 Opened index. 3.9 Found one of the offending entries, jumped to its source. It was a compound marker (2 entries in one marker). 3.10 I copied one of the entries for reference, clicked in the document a few words away, and manually typed in the text for the marker America:Income tax of 1894, just like that. 3.11 Went to book file, all files selected, save all files in book, then generate. 3.12 Entry appears in the correct location, without any text only page #, and when I jump from that page number it takes me to the new marker I just created. 3.13 So I jump there, notice that the original marker is still in place, delete it, returned to 3.7 or so, repeated the whole process, same result. 3.14 Saved the index as mif, closed it, deleted the .fm version, reopened from mif, saved as FM 8, went to book, save all files in book, generate, save all files in book, jump to index, and voila! Same result as before. Sigh ... BTW, between steps, I recall breathing. :) Frank, I am most willing and eager to try your step #4, but I've forgotten how to open the mif as text in Frame, after saving it. ??? Thanks, Elchanan -Original Message- From: Frank Stearns [mailto:fra...@fsatools.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:03 PM To: VLM TechSubs Cc: Framers Subject: Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote: Greetings! I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the content America:Coinage Act of 1965. This appears in the index as a line under America, indented to the second level (correct so far), but with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted the marker content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated the marker from scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here? If entered as stated, you should be fine. But, after having specialized in FM indexes for 20+ years, we have seen some odd things happen with markers... 1. Was this document originally created in Word then imported to FM? Sometimes those converted markers are dirty and contain unseen, unprintable characters that can cause odd FM behavior. BTW, there is NO CR or LF in the entry, correct? Your entry is one string, on one line in the marker? 2. Try a MIF wash. But this won't remove unwanted bad characters. It will just refresh/rebuild the object lists. 3. For fun, put a new marker, hand typed, at or near the same place (no copy and paste). Does that new entry work? 4. If you're really adventurous, save as MIF, search for the entry, and see what all might be included with that marker. (Relates to #1, above.) If all of the above fails, feel free to send us a copy of the doc for evaluation. Hope
RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax
Frank Stearns wrote: Finally, I have a very fuzzy memory that FM8 had introduced some bugs in marker handling... Anyone else remember this? Do you have the lastest version of FM8? I don't have a specific recollection of any index bug in FM8, but I have only used FM8 at my current employer, who basically doesn't believe in spending time on indexes (we produce mostly API documentation and highly organized specification docs for SoC devices). At my previous employer, indexes were customary, but that was FM7 and I was relying on Frank's excellent IXgen to help me keep everything consistent. But for the record, the last patch version of FM8 was p277, dating back to June 2007. See http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22platform=Windows for each of the three FM8 updates (which have to be installed sequentially since none is cumulative) -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax
Thanks Frank. See responses inline. -Original Message- From: Frank Stearns [mailto:fra...@fsatools.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 8:29 PM To: VLM TechSubs Cc: 'Frank Stearns'; 'Framers' Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote: 1. I now see that even a simple marker entry EmphasisEisphora has this problem. It appears in the correct location alphabetically, it just looks like . . . . . . 1 2. The original files were created in Word, but with no indexing. I put in 100% of these markers by hand, by myself, this week, in FrameMaker 8. In other words, they shouldn't be affected by Word or the like. FYI, the ToC works just fine. 3. I just did the following: 3.1 Shut Frame. 3.2 Relaunched Frame. 3.3 Opened book file. 3.4 Opened all files in book. Got some font and xref error messages, clicked through those. 3.5 Highlighted, then saved, all files in book. 3.6 Generated ToC and index. 3.7 Saved all files in book. 3.8 Opened index. 3.9 Found one of the offending entries, jumped to its source. It was a compound marker (2 entries in one marker). 3.10 I copied one of the entries for reference, clicked in the document a few words away, and manually typed in the text for the marker America:Income tax of 1894, just like that. 3.11 Went to book file, all files selected, save all files in book, then generate. 3.12 Entry appears in the correct location, without any text only page #, and when I jump from that page number it takes me to the new marker I just created. 3.13 So I jump there, notice that the original marker is still in place, delete it, returned to 3.7 or so, repeated the whole process, same result. 3.14 Saved the index as mif, closed it, deleted the .fm version, reopened from mif, saved as FM 8, went to book, save all files in book, generate, save all files in book, jump to index, and voila! Same result as before. Sigh ... BTW, between steps, I recall breathing. :) Frank, I am most willing and eager to try your step #4, but I've forgotten how to open the mif as text in Frame, after saving it. I know there's a way to do that, but can't recall it. We've always used a programmer's plain text editor -- even notepad or wordpad will work fine. Avoids trying to get Frame to play in a way it doesn't want to. :) This is all pretty nutty, that's for sure. A few more random thoughts... 1. The Word source still makes me cautious. If you highlight text to create a marker, or even were to use our IXgen tool to create markers, there can still be those nasty non-printing characters that would be picked up from body text and transferred into a new marker and cause problems. Frank, you are correct, at least inasmuch as I've removed hundreds of nonprinting characters from these documents. But almost all were at the end of paragraphs, so whenever I've placed a marker at EOP, I've carefully removed any nonprinting characters that may have been present. 1A. When you hand typed a marker, was the entry field completely clear? (Those non-printing chars can be insideous. Click next to one in the body that you can't see and the marker dialog autofill might pick it up, and you'd never know it. Most of the time, I typed it all in character by character. At times, I did begin with a highlighted word or two. But many markers created in this way work fine, and some of the failing markers were definitely created by hand typing, from scratch. I suppose I could take this entire document set out to a text editor, do something there (not sure quite what), then bring it all back into FM and start from scratch. Ugh . but it's a possibility. 2. Forgot to verify the obvious: most of the markers are working correctly, and these are just isolated cases? Or, are you seeing the same thing happen any time you have an entry with a second level and/or font change? Yes, majority of markers appear to be working fine. It happens on single, double, and triple level entries. It happens with or without a font change. 3. Have you done a cold restart of your system? Shut it down completely, power supply switch OFF for a few minutes, then a reboot? I know, it's crazy, however Cold restart, yes, long enough to go to the grocery. :) Could do it again I suppose. I agree, crazy and however. :) 4. In the IX file you generate, have you examined the reference pages that set up your entry formats? Are all the components there? Have you examined the entry para formats for anything odd? If you move the cursor through the entries in the main flow, do you notice if in the problem entries the para or char tag name suddenly becomes starred, indicating a deviation from the catalog settings? _ From the reference page: 1, 2-3 Level4IOM Level3IOM Level2IOM Symbols[\ ];Numerics[0];A;B;C;D;E;F;G;H;I;J;K;L;M;N;O
RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax
Elchanan wrote: I have version 8.0p266, and no memory WRT FM8 indexing bugs. Then you only have the first of the three patches that were released for FM8. You are missing p273 (Feb 2008) and p277 (June 2008) -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax
Yes Fred, thank you, that is correct. One of those two patches destroyed sorting in many parts of the product . paratags, chartags, etc. I decided that I prefer sorting that makes sense to me. I suppose I could revisit that decision. Elchanan From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 10:01 PM To: VLM TechSubs; 'Frank Stearns' Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax Elchanan wrote: I have version 8.0p266, and no memory WRT FM8 indexing bugs. Then you only have the first of the three patches that were released for FM8. You are missing p273 (Feb 2008) and p277 (June 2008) -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax
One proverbial more thing ... In the mif file, there are actually two markers back to back, separated by the word The : Marker MType 2 MTypeName `Index' MText `Coinage:Debasement:Coinage Act of 1965' MCurrPage `112' Unique 1027096 # end of Marker String `The ' Marker MType 2 MTypeName `Index' MText `America:Coinage Act of 1965' MCurrPage `112' Unique 1026673 # end of Marker The first (3 levels) works, the second (two levels) fails. These are in the same document, on the same page, constructed in what appears to me to be the same manner in every respect. Shall I unsheathe my sword, in case falling on it becomes appealing? :) Well, not sure what to do next. Best to all, and many thanks, Elchanan -Original Message- From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 8:33 PM To: 'Frank Stearns' Cc: 'Framers' Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax Okay ... I closed FM, reopened FM, saved every file in the book as mif, closed FM, moved all the .fm files to another directory, relaunched FM, opened and saved the book and each file back as .fm, saved and closed everything, shut FM, relaunched FM, reopened everything, saved everything, generated, and poof ... same result. Sigh ... (again) So as Frank suggested, I traced one of the faulty markers into the mif file for the source chapter, and it says: Marker MType 2 MTypeName `Index' MText `America:Coinage Act of 1965' MCurrPage `112' Unique 1026673 # end of Marker which looks fine to me, but someone more knowledgeable might spot something that I'm missing. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! And Frank, if you really are willing to look at the file, I'd be most grateful and eager. :) Best to all, Elchanan -Original Message- From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 7:59 PM To: 'Frank Stearns' Cc: 'Framers' Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax Oh, I don't know what I was thinking. I've got a mif file open in Notepad++, no problem. Will write more in a bit. Elchanan -Original Message- From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:43 PM To: 'Frank Stearns' Cc: 'Framers' Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax Thanks Frank, Robert, Jeremy, et. al. I so appreciate your help! More info: 1. I now see that even a simple marker entry EmphasisEisphora has this problem. It appears in the correct location alphabetically, it just looks like . . . . . . 1 2. The original files were created in Word, but with no indexing. I put in 100% of these markers by hand, by myself, this week, in FrameMaker 8. In other words, they shouldn't be affected by Word or the like. FYI, the ToC works just fine. 3. I just did the following: 3.1 Shut Frame. 3.2 Relaunched Frame. 3.3 Opened book file. 3.4 Opened all files in book. Got some font and xref error messages, clicked through those. 3.5 Highlighted, then saved, all files in book. 3.6 Generated ToC and index. 3.7 Saved all files in book. 3.8 Opened index. 3.9 Found one of the offending entries, jumped to its source. It was a compound marker (2 entries in one marker). 3.10 I copied one of the entries for reference, clicked in the document a few words away, and manually typed in the text for the marker America:Income tax of 1894, just like that. 3.11 Went to book file, all files selected, save all files in book, then generate. 3.12 Entry appears in the correct location, without any text only page #, and when I jump from that page number it takes me to the new marker I just created. 3.13 So I jump there, notice that the original marker is still in place, delete it, returned to 3.7 or so, repeated the whole process, same result. 3.14 Saved the index as mif, closed it, deleted the .fm version, reopened from mif, saved as FM 8, went to book, save all files in book, generate, save all files in book, jump to index, and voila! Same result as before. Sigh ... BTW, between steps, I recall breathing. :) Frank, I am most willing and eager to try your step #4, but I've forgotten how to open the mif as text in Frame, after saving it. ??? Thanks, Elchanan -Original Message- From: Frank Stearns [mailto:fra...@fsatools.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:03 PM To: VLM TechSubs Cc: Framers Subject: Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote: Greetings! I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the content America:Coinage Act of 1965. This appears in the index as a line under America, indented to the second level (correct so far), but with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted the marker content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated
