RE: OT: Font suggestions for book? (Scott Turner)

[Tim Pann]

Great reference! I found this book years ago on clearance for some ridiculously 
low price at a Crown Books (like a small Borders or Barnes & Noble) that was 
going out of business. Out of an entire store full of throwaways, here was this 
gem sitting there all by itself an an almost empty shelf. Wonderful book, and 
the weekend on the couch would be well spent.

Tim

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Robert Bringhurst, Elements of Typographic Style, if anyone wants to spend a 
weekend on the couch ...

Cheers,
Mike

> 
> I have a fondness for Minion or Garamond. I think you can find a free 
> font that is similar to these. However, the cost is relatively small, 
> so purchase should be considered.
> 
> The advantage if Minion and Garamond is that they both have a 
> relatively low height to width ratio, making them very readable. If 
> you opt for a free font, look for that. Avoid Times, it's narrow,  
> designed for newspaper columns.
> 
> On Aug 15, 2013, at 17:22, "VLM TechSubs" 
>  wrote:
> 
> > Greetings everyone,
> >  
> > I?m working in FM 8, Win 7 x64 on a book that will be published this Fall.
I?ve now been asked to do the book design, in addition to most of the writing 
and basic template design. The subject matter is primarily financial ? it?s a 
book about the history of taxation. It?s not a scholarly work at all, but 
rather one designed to ?wake up? American teens and young adults to some of the 
issues involved. Footnotes are used here and there, but more for explanation of 
background/details than in a traditional sense as references.
The book will be published in a standard 6x9 format, paperback.
> >  
> > All that having been said ? What are people?s favorite or 
> > recommended
fonts for such a project. And since this is being published on a shoestring 
budget with a nonprofit/educational bent, suggestions of free fonts would be 
most welcome.
> >  
> > Well, thanks in advance!
> >  
> > Best regards,
> > Elchanan
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Re: OT: Font suggestions for book? (Scott Turner)

[mkopen]

Robert Bringhurst, Elements of Typographic Style, if anyone wants to spend a
weekend on the couch ...

Cheers,
Mike

> 
> I have a fondness for Minion or Garamond. I think you can find a 
> free font that is similar to these. However, the cost is relatively 
> small, so purchase should be considered.
> 
> The advantage if Minion and Garamond is that they both have a 
> relatively low height to width ratio, making them very readable. If 
> you opt for a free font, look for that. Avoid Times, it's narrow,
>  designed for newspaper columns.
> 
> On Aug 15, 2013, at 17:22, "VLM TechSubs" 
>  wrote:
> 
> > Greetings everyone,
> >  
> > I?m working in FM 8, Win 7 x64 on a book that will be published this Fall.
I?ve now been asked to do the book design, in addition to most of the writing
and basic template design. The subject matter is primarily financial ? it?s a
book about the history of taxation. It?s not a scholarly work at all, but
rather one designed to ?wake up? American teens and young adults to some of
the issues involved. Footnotes are used here and there, but more for
explanation of background/details than in a traditional sense as references.
The book will be published in a standard 6x9 format, paperback.
> >  
> > All that having been said ? What are people?s favorite or recommended
fonts for such a project. And since this is being published on a shoestring
budget with a nonprofit/educational bent, suggestions of free fonts would be
most welcome.
> >  
> > Well, thanks in advance!
> >  
> > Best regards,
> > Elchanan
> > ___
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Re: OT: Font suggestions for book?

[Shmuel Wolfson]

  
  
We use Arial for headings and Century
  Schoolbook for the paragraph text. Generally san-serif fonts are
  better for onscreen reading and serif fonts are better for print.
  Century Schoolbook is a serif font that is similar to Times New
  Roman but less compressed. It's very comfortable for onscreen
  reading and when printed. 
  Regards,
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Technical Writer
052-763-7133

  On 19-Aug-13 2:04 AM, Scott Turner wrote:


  
  I have a fondness for Minion or Garamond. I think you can
find a free font that is similar to these. However, the cost is
relatively small, so purchase should be considered.
  
  
  The advantage if Minion and Garamond is that they both have a
relatively low height to width ratio, making them very readable.
If you opt for a free font, look for that. Avoid Times, it's
narrow, designed for newspaper columns.
  
On Aug 15, 2013, at 17:22, "VLM TechSubs" 
wrote:

  
  

  
  
  
  
Greetings everyone,
 
I’m working in FM 8,
Win 7 x64 on a book that will be published this Fall.
I’ve now been asked to do the book design, in addition
to most of the writing and basic template design. The
subject matter is primarily financial … it’s a book
about the history of taxation. It’s not a scholarly work
at all, but rather one designed to “wake up” American
teens and young adults to some of the issues involved.
Footnotes are used here and there, but more for
explanation of background/details than in a traditional
sense as references. The book will be published in a
standard 6x9 format, paperback. 
 
All that having been
said … What are people’s favorite or recommended fonts
for such a project. And since this is being published on
a shoestring budget with a nonprofit/educational bent,
suggestions of free fonts would be most welcome. 
 
Well, thanks in
advance!
 
Best regards,
Elchanan
  

  
  
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Re: OT: Font suggestions for book?

[Scott Turner]

I have a fondness for Minion or Garamond. I think you can find a free font that 
is similar to these. However, the cost is relatively small, so purchase should 
be considered.

The advantage if Minion and Garamond is that they both have a relatively low 
height to width ratio, making them very readable. If you opt for a free font, 
look for that. Avoid Times, it's narrow, designed for newspaper columns.

On Aug 15, 2013, at 17:22, "VLM TechSubs" 
 wrote:

> Greetings everyone,
>  
> I’m working in FM 8, Win 7 x64 on a book that will be published this Fall. 
> I’ve now been asked to do the book design, in addition to most of the writing 
> and basic template design. The subject matter is primarily financial … it’s a 
> book about the history of taxation. It’s not a scholarly work at all, but 
> rather one designed to “wake up” American teens and young adults to some of 
> the issues involved. Footnotes are used here and there, but more for 
> explanation of background/details than in a traditional sense as references. 
> The book will be published in a standard 6x9 format, paperback.
>  
> All that having been said … What are people’s favorite or recommended fonts 
> for such a project. And since this is being published on a shoestring budget 
> with a nonprofit/educational bent, suggestions of free fonts would be most 
> welcome.
>  
> Well, thanks in advance!
>  
> Best regards,
> Elchanan
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Re: OT: Font suggestions for book?

[Böðvar Björgvinsson]

Choosing a font set is always a bit of a matter of taste. However, it is
usual to see in (company) manuals sans serif types like Arial (ususally
because no one bothers to check for anything else) or the Calibri font that
came with the newer MS Office suites.

I used to opt for Helvetica instead of Arial, mainly because the numbers
were clearer in Helvetica. But that was  clearly before Calibri times. ;-)

Some serif fonts come to mind. I am working with a book now about a certain
institution, and I decided to use the old Cheltenham for body and Myriad
Pro for headings.

I have spent a lot of time through the years looking for and comparing
fonts, and in one instance, trying to decide on the best font for the
dim-sighted, I made four copies of sample text with different fonts and had
people test read (from a distance to closer up). The one decided upon
seemed to help the dyslexics too.

So, if you want to study fonts, you will be spending a lot of your free
time. But it is fun! But your customer will not complement you on it,
becaus he/she/they do not know what it really is that makes them like or
hate the looks of the book. There are so many things to consider.

But you are right: Readability counts. So, not Arial! And not fancy fonts.

Probably this is of little help, but it is Friday night. :-)

And, I could send you some samples in pdf if you like. Main thing is: What
does your font library consist of? New fonts can be very expensive.

Have a nice weekend!

Bodvar, Iceland






On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 3:42 PM, VLM TechSubs <
techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> ** **
>
> I’m not sure whether this post went through, so I’m trying again. 
>
> ** **
>
> In the past, I’ve worked on writing, editing, and functional template
> design, but in general I’ve left “pretty stuff” such as font selection to
> others. So I really don’t know what fonts might be most readable, or most
> popular, or how to pair a body and a heading font, or the like. Of course,
> much is written all over the Internet, but I thought that here, there would
> be people with specific experience writing and publishing books. So that is
> why I have directed this inquiry here. I hope it’s okay. :)
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks,
>
> Elchanan
>
> *From:* VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2013 3:22 PM
> *To:* Framers; Free Framers
> *Subject:* OT: Font suggestions for book?
>
> ** **
>
> Greetings everyone,
>
> ** **
>
> I’m working in FM 8, Win 7 x64 on a book that will be published this Fall.
> I’ve now been asked to do the book design, in addition to most of the
> writing and basic template design. The subject matter is primarily
> financial … it’s a book about the history of taxation. It’s not a scholarly
> work at all, but rather one designed to “wake up” American teens and young
> adults to some of the issues involved. Footnotes are used here and there,
> but more for explanation of background/details than in a traditional sense
> as references. The book will be published in a standard 6x9 format,
> paperback. 
>
> ** **
>
> All that having been said … What are people’s favorite or recommended
> fonts for such a project. And since this is being published on a shoestring
> budget with a nonprofit/educational bent, suggestions of free fonts would
> be most welcome. 
>
> ** **
>
> Well, thanks in advance!
>
> ** **
>
> Best regards,
>
> Elchanan
>
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RE: OT: Font suggestions for book?

[Fred Ridder]

Besides being a matter of taste (which really cannot be argued), font choice 
cannot be done intelligently without knowing  *lot* of other information, such 
as:
- medium of the deliverable (printed, PDF, HTML, eBook, etc.)
- page size (if fixed, or range of page size if variable)
- column width and point size (which together determine the point size range)
- leading
- nature of content (fiction, general non-fiction, scholarly writing, technical 
documentation, etc.)
- natural organization of content (all text in long paragraphs vs. text blocks 
broken up by shorter paragraphs and/or lists vs. text with lots of tables and 
figures, etc.)

What works well for the kind of technical content I work with most of the time 
(long, complex sentences but often fairly short paragraphs, and lots of tables 
and bulleted lists) is very different from what I would use for some of the 
general non-fiction I edit on the side. And neither of those correspond to what 
I prefer to see when I read fiction.   

If you asked this question over on the Techwr-l list, I'm sure you'd get a 
flood of highly opinionated answers. If you asked it on the copyeditors list, I 
think you'd get a handful of "it depends" answers similar to mine since there 
are some actual book designers on that list. But over here in the world of 
FrameMaker, I'm not sure that we have a lot of people who fancy themselves font 
fondlers. 

-Fred Ridder

From: techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org
To: Framers@Lists.FrameUsers.com
Subject: OT:  Font suggestions for book?
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 08:42:48 -0700

Hi everyone, I’m not sure whether this post went through, so I’m trying again.  
In the past, I’ve worked on writing, editing, and functional template design, 
but in general I’ve left “pretty stuff” such as font selection to others. So I 
really don’t know what fonts might be most readable, or most popular, or how to 
pair a body and a heading font, or the like. Of course, much is written all 
over the Internet, but I thought that here, there would be people with specific 
experience writing and publishing books. So that is why I have directed this 
inquiry here. I hope it’s okay. :) Thanks,ElchananFrom: VLM TechSubs 
[mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] 
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 3:22 PM
To: Framers; Free Framers
Subject: OT: Font suggestions for book? Greetings everyone, I’m working in FM 
8, Win 7 x64 on a book that will be published this Fall. I’ve now been asked to 
do the book design, in addition to most of the writing and basic template 
design. The subject matter is primarily financial … it’s a book about the 
history of taxation. It’s not a scholarly work at all, but rather one designed 
to “wake up” American teens and young adults to some of the issues involved. 
Footnotes are used here and there, but more for explanation of 
background/details than in a traditional sense as references. The book will be 
published in a standard 6x9 format, paperback.  All that having been said … 
What are people’s favorite or recommended fonts for such a project. And since 
this is being published on a shoestring budget with a nonprofit/educational 
bent, suggestions of free fonts would be most welcome.  Well, thanks in 
advance! Best regards,Elchanan
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