Re: Unexpected problem with straddling table cells
Hi and thanks to all who replied - Several people suggested it would be easier to just put the word Caution in the autonumbering field and yes, that is the way we're going to have to go. But it's not quite as simple as that. Here's how the tables are set up: First cell: Icon tagged CautionIcon Second cell: Paragraph tagged CautionHead Third cell: Paragraph tagged Body Since straddling the 2nd 3rd cell makes the CautionHead disappear, we're left with a Body paragraph. As you can imagine, this is used in lots of places, not just in Caution tables so it looks like we're going to have to create a new tag CautionText with the word Caution in the autonumbering field and apply that on a case-by-case basis when converting to the new templates. Very tedious. If anyone knows of a way around this, please let me know. Thanks. Pat Christenson On Nov 16, 2006, at 5:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A client's template currently has Cautions formatted as a three-cell table: The Caution icon (in a reference) frame is in the first cell, the word Caution (in the Autonumbering field of the CautionHead) is in the second, and the writer types text in the third. They want to change to a two-cell table with the icon in the first cell and the word Caution as a run-in head in the second cell along with the text. Here's the strange behavior: When you change the CautionHead paragraph to a run-in head and straddle the two cells, the run-in head disappears. I'm guessing this is because technically that paragraph is empty, having no manually entered text, just the word Caution from the autonumbering field. I realize there are other ways to achieve the same look but if the run-in head wasn't destroyed by straddling the cells, it would be simpler to convert existing Cautions to the new format. Any ideas on how I can get this to work? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Unexpected problem with straddling table cells
Hi and thanks to all who replied - Several people suggested it would be easier to just put the word "Caution" in the autonumbering field and yes, that is the way we're going to have to go. But it's not quite as simple as that. Here's how the tables are set up: First cell: Icon tagged "CautionIcon" Second cell: Paragraph tagged "CautionHead" Third cell: Paragraph tagged "Body" Since straddling the 2nd & 3rd cell makes the "CautionHead" disappear, we're left with a "Body" paragraph. As you can imagine, this is used in lots of places, not just in Caution tables so it looks like we're going to have to create a new tag "CautionText" with the word "Caution" in the autonumbering field and apply that on a case-by-case basis when converting to the new templates. Very tedious. If anyone knows of a way around this, please let me know. Thanks. Pat Christenson On Nov 16, 2006, at 5:13 PM, pxenson at comcast.net wrote: > A client's template currently has Cautions formatted as a three-cell > table: The > Caution icon (in a reference) frame is in the first cell, the word > "Caution" (in > the Autonumbering field of the CautionHead) is in the second, and the > writer > types text in the third. > > They want to change to a two-cell table with the icon in the first > cell and the > word "Caution" as a run-in head in the second cell along with the text. > > Here's the strange behavior: When you change the CautionHead paragraph > to a > run-in head and straddle the two cells, the run-in head disappears. > I'm guessing > this is because technically that paragraph is empty, having no > manually entered > text, just the word "Caution" from the autonumbering field. > > I realize there are other ways to achieve the same look but if the > run-in head > wasn't destroyed by straddling the cells, it would be simpler to > convert > existing Cautions to the new format. Any ideas on how I can get this > to work? >
Re: Unexpected problem with straddling table cells
Hi Pat On 11/17/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A client's template currently has Cautions formatted as a three-cell table: The Caution icon (in a reference) frame is in the first cell, the word Caution (in the Autonumbering field of the CautionHead) is in the second, and the writer types text in the third. They want to change to a two-cell table with the icon in the first cell and the word Caution as a run-in head in the second cell along with the text. Here's the strange behavior: When you change the CautionHead paragraph to a run-in head and straddle the two cells, the run-in head disappears. I'm guessing this is because technically that paragraph is empty, having no manually entered text, just the word Caution from the autonumbering field. I realize there are other ways to achieve the same look but if the run-in head wasn't destroyed by straddling the cells, it would be simpler to convert existing Cautions to the new format. Any ideas on how I can get this to work? My first thought is convert table to text and back again. This simple trick can save a lot of bother. From what you say, you have Cell 1: Icon Cell 2: paratag Cell 3: text Conversion gives you Icon Tab paratag Tab text (You can specify that cell divisions are tabs, semi-colons, whatever.) Then you just remove the second Tab so you have Icon Tab paratag text Convert that back to a table, and you should have Cell 1: Icon Cell 2 paratag text Marking a table gives you the choice of Table Convert to Paragraphs... Marking text block gives you Table Convert to Table... Does that help (or make any sense)? regards, Karen Mardahl ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Unexpected problem with straddling table cells
Pat Christenson wrote: A client's template currently has Cautions formatted as a three-cell table: The Caution icon (in a reference) frame is in the first cell, the word Caution (in the Autonumbering field of the CautionHead) is in the second, and the writer types text in the third. They want to change to a two-cell table with the icon in the first cell and the word Caution as a run-in head in the second cell along with the text. Here's the strange behavior: When you change the CautionHead paragraph to a run-in head and straddle the two cells, the run-in head disappears. I'm guessing this is because technically that paragraph is empty, having no manually entered text, just the word Caution from the autonumbering field. You're right, when you straddle two cells, if one contains an empty pgf, that pgf disappears. But you don't need three pgfs, just two. Why do you want to make the Caution pgf a run-in head? Let's say your current third cell contains a CautionText pgf. Redefine it to have Caution as the autonumber (apply a char tag to the autonumber so the word Caution looks the way you want it). You don't need an empty run-in CautionHead pgf to do something that the autonumber property of the following pgf can do. HTH! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Unexpected problem with straddling table cells
Hi Richard - The route you suggest is probably what we'll end up going with but we wanted to explore this other alternative because it's less work when upgrading existing docs to the new templates. Thanks - Pat On Nov 17, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Combs, Richard wrote: You're right, when you straddle two cells, if one contains an empty pgf, that pgf disappears. But you don't need three pgfs, just two. Why do you want to make the Caution pgf a run-in head? Let's say your current third cell contains a CautionText pgf. Redefine it to have Caution as the autonumber (apply a char tag to the autonumber so the word Caution looks the way you want it). You don't need an empty run-in CautionHead pgf to do something that the autonumber property of the following pgf can do. HTH! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Unexpected problem with straddling table cells
I'm not sure I agree. All you'll need to do for each instance is delete the middle column of the table and then retag the paragraph in the right cell. And maybe resize the right column, which you can do globally if you have Rick Quatro's wonderful TableCleaner plug-in and have applied the same table format to each of the tables. No muss, no fuss. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Staff Information Services Analyst Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Christenson Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:45 PM To: Combs, Richard Cc: framers List Subject: Re: Unexpected problem with straddling table cells Hi Richard - The route you suggest is probably what we'll end up going with but we wanted to explore this other alternative because it's less work when upgrading existing docs to the new templates. Thanks - Pat On Nov 17, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Combs, Richard wrote: You're right, when you straddle two cells, if one contains an empty pgf, that pgf disappears. But you don't need three pgfs, just two. Why do you want to make the Caution pgf a run-in head? Let's say your current third cell contains a CautionText pgf. Redefine it to have Caution as the autonumber (apply a char tag to the autonumber so the word Caution looks the way you want it). You don't need an empty run-in CautionHead pgf to do something that the autonumber property of the following pgf can do. HTH! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/fred.ridder%40intel. com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Unexpected problem with straddling table cells
Pat Christenson wrote: Hi Richard - The route you suggest is probably what we'll end up going with but we wanted to explore this other alternative because it's less work when upgrading existing docs to the new templates. Unless I misunderstood, it's not more work -- in fact, it's the exact same process. You wanted to straddle the 2nd and 3rd cells and end up with a run-in CautionHead followed by CautionText. If you redefine CautionText with the Caution autonumber, the same straddle step does just what you need because straddling the cells removes the no-longer-needed empty CautionHead pgf. Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Unexpected problem with straddling table cells
A client's template currently has Cautions formatted as a three-cell table: The Caution icon (in a reference) frame is in the first cell, the word "Caution" (in the Autonumbering field of the CautionHead) is in the second, and the writer types text in the third. They want to change to a two-cell table with the icon in the first cell and the word "Caution" as a run-in head in the second cell along with the text. Here's the strange behavior: When you change the CautionHead paragraph to a run-in head and straddle the two cells, the run-in head disappears. I'm guessing this is because technically that paragraph is empty, having no manually entered text, just the word "Caution" from the autonumbering field. I realize there are other ways to achieve the same look but if the run-in head wasn't destroyed by straddling the cells, it would be simpler to convert existing Cautions to the new format. Any ideas on how I can get this to work? Thanks. Pat Christenson
Unexpected problem with straddling table cells
Hi Pat On 11/17/06, pxenson at comcast.net wrote: > A client's template currently has Cautions formatted as a three-cell table: > The > Caution icon (in a reference) frame is in the first cell, the word "Caution" > (in > the Autonumbering field of the CautionHead) is in the second, and the writer > types text in the third. > > They want to change to a two-cell table with the icon in the first cell and > the > word "Caution" as a run-in head in the second cell along with the text. > > Here's the strange behavior: When you change the CautionHead paragraph to a > run-in head and straddle the two cells, the run-in head disappears. I'm > guessing > this is because technically that paragraph is empty, having no manually > entered > text, just the word "Caution" from the autonumbering field. > > I realize there are other ways to achieve the same look but if the run-in head > wasn't destroyed by straddling the cells, it would be simpler to convert > existing Cautions to the new format. Any ideas on how I can get this to work? My first thought is convert table to text and back again. This simple trick can save a lot of bother. From what you say, you have Cell 1: Icon Cell 2: paratag Cell 3: text Conversion gives you Icon Tab paratag Tab text (You can specify that cell divisions are tabs, semi-colons, whatever.) Then you just remove the second Tab so you have Icon Tab paratag text Convert that back to a table, and you should have Cell 1: Icon Cell 2 paratag text Marking a table gives you the choice of Table > Convert to Paragraphs... Marking text block gives you Table > Convert to Table... Does that help (or make any sense)? regards, Karen Mardahl
Unexpected problem with straddling table cells
Pat Christenson wrote: > A client's template currently has Cautions formatted as a > three-cell table: The Caution icon (in a reference) frame is > in the first cell, the word "Caution" (in the Autonumbering > field of the CautionHead) is in the second, and the writer > types text in the third. > > They want to change to a two-cell table with the icon in the > first cell and the word "Caution" as a run-in head in the > second cell along with the text. > > Here's the strange behavior: When you change the CautionHead > paragraph to a run-in head and straddle the two cells, the > run-in head disappears. I'm guessing this is because > technically that paragraph is empty, having no manually > entered text, just the word "Caution" from the autonumbering field. You're right, when you straddle two cells, if one contains an empty pgf, that pgf disappears. But you don't need three pgfs, just two. Why do you want to make the "Caution" pgf a run-in head? Let's say your current third cell contains a CautionText pgf. Redefine it to have "Caution" as the autonumber (apply a char tag to the autonumber so the word "Caution" looks the way you want it). You don't need an empty run-in CautionHead pgf to do something that the autonumber property of the following pgf can do. HTH! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
Unexpected problem with straddling table cells
Hi Richard - The route you suggest is probably what we'll end up going with but we wanted to explore this other alternative because it's less work when upgrading existing docs to the new templates. Thanks - Pat On Nov 17, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Combs, Richard wrote: >> > > You're right, when you straddle two cells, if one contains an empty > pgf, > that pgf disappears. But you don't need three pgfs, just two. Why do > you > want to make the "Caution" pgf a run-in head? > > Let's say your current third cell contains a CautionText pgf. Redefine > it to have "Caution" as the autonumber (apply a char tag to the > autonumber so the word "Caution" looks the way you want it). You don't > need an empty run-in CautionHead pgf to do something that the > autonumber > property of the following pgf can do. > > HTH! > Richard > > > -- > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-777-0436 > -- > > > >
Unexpected problem with straddling table cells
I'm not sure I agree. All you'll need to do for each instance is delete the middle column of the table and then retag the paragraph in the right cell. And maybe resize the right column, which you can do globally if you have Rick Quatro's wonderful TableCleaner plug-in and have applied the same table format to each of the tables. No muss, no fuss. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Staff Information Services Analyst Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pat Christenson Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:45 PM To: Combs, Richard Cc: framers List Subject: Re: Unexpected problem with straddling table cells Hi Richard - The route you suggest is probably what we'll end up going with but we wanted to explore this other alternative because it's less work when upgrading existing docs to the new templates. Thanks - Pat On Nov 17, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Combs, Richard wrote: >> > > You're right, when you straddle two cells, if one contains an empty > pgf, > that pgf disappears. But you don't need three pgfs, just two. Why do > you > want to make the "Caution" pgf a run-in head? > > Let's say your current third cell contains a CautionText pgf. Redefine > it to have "Caution" as the autonumber (apply a char tag to the > autonumber so the word "Caution" looks the way you want it). You don't > need an empty run-in CautionHead pgf to do something that the > autonumber > property of the following pgf can do. > > HTH! > Richard > > > -- > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-777-0436 > -- > > > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as fred.ridder at intel.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/fred.ridder%40intel. com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Unexpected problem with straddling table cells
Pat Christenson wrote: > Hi Richard - > > The route you suggest is probably what we'll end up going > with but we wanted to explore this other alternative because > it's less work when upgrading existing docs to the new templates. Unless I misunderstood, it's not more work -- in fact, it's the exact same process. You wanted to straddle the 2nd and 3rd cells and end up with a run-in CautionHead followed by CautionText. If you redefine CautionText with the "Caution" autonumber, the same straddle step does just what you need because straddling the cells removes the no-longer-needed empty CautionHead pgf. Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
Unexpected problem with straddling table cells
A client's template currently has Cautions formatted as a three-cell table: The Caution icon (in a reference) frame is in the first cell, the word Caution (in the Autonumbering field of the CautionHead) is in the second, and the writer types text in the third. They want to change to a two-cell table with the icon in the first cell and the word Caution as a run-in head in the second cell along with the text. Here's the strange behavior: When you change the CautionHead paragraph to a run-in head and straddle the two cells, the run-in head disappears. I'm guessing this is because technically that paragraph is empty, having no manually entered text, just the word Caution from the autonumbering field. I realize there are other ways to achieve the same look but if the run-in head wasn't destroyed by straddling the cells, it would be simpler to convert existing Cautions to the new format. Any ideas on how I can get this to work? Thanks. Pat Christenson ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
