RE: Updating TOC Wipes Formatting

[Karen Robbins]

Here's what may be causing my problem: The TOC reference page has default
paragraph tags for HeadingATOC, HeadingBTOC, etc. But my document
has paragraph tags of Heading1TOC, Heading2TOC, etc.

I am not sure if I created (at some point in the distant past) the TOC
paragraph tags with that naming convention or how it came to be. Others
have muddled with these files before me, so it's hard to know.

I need to apply the style elements of my TOC tags to the default TOC tags,
then delete my tags and apply/use only the default tags (newly styled).
Then my TOC updates should be in better shape than they were before. ;-)

Thanks again,
Karen
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Re: Updating TOC Wipes Formatting

[Stuart Rogers]

On 2013-Aug-29 1:12 PM, Karen Robbins wrote:
Here's what may be causing my problem: The TOC reference page has 
default paragraph tags for HeadingATOC, HeadingBTOC, etc. But my 
document has paragraph tags of Heading1TOC, Heading2TOC, etc.


I am not sure if I created (at some point in the distant past) the TOC 
paragraph tags with that naming convention or how it came to be. 
Others have muddled with these files before me, so it's hard to know.


I need to apply the style elements of my TOC tags to the default TOC 
tags, then delete my tags and apply/use only the default tags (newly 
styled). Then my TOC updates should be in better shape than they were 
before. ;-)


Thanks again,
Karen




Karen,

Before you do that, check for another TOC flow on a different reference 
page. FM should have created it automagically when you generated the 
TOC. You can disregard (or delete) the page that contains the wrong tags.


s.

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Re: Updating TOC Wipes Formatting

[Karen Robbins]

Luckily, only one TOC reference page. And the formatting now seems to apply
when updating.

But now I have another problem. My TOC page contains other content
(credits, legalese, etc.) besides the TOC, which takes up only about half
the page. When updating the book, FM doesn't replace the existing TOC; it
adds a whole new TOC on a new page 1 of this file, pushing my existing
content (TOC and other) to page 2.

Of course I can copy and paste the new, updated TOC in place of the old
one. Or maybe some other way of getting it into position. But if FM is
supposedly deleting the existing TOC when updating, why didn't this happen?

Thanks,
Karen




On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Stuart Rogers 
srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote:

  On 2013-Aug-29 1:12 PM, Karen Robbins wrote:

   Here's what may be causing my problem: The TOC reference page has
 default paragraph tags for HeadingATOC, HeadingBTOC, etc. But my document
 has paragraph tags of Heading1TOC, Heading2TOC, etc.

  I am not sure if I created (at some point in the distant past) the TOC
 paragraph tags with that naming convention or how it came to be. Others
 have muddled with these files before me, so it's hard to know.

  I need to apply the style elements of my TOC tags to the default TOC
 tags, then delete my tags and apply/use only the default tags (newly
 styled). Then my TOC updates should be in better shape than they were
 before. ;-)

  Thanks again,
 Karen



 Karen,

 Before you do that, check for another TOC flow on a different reference
 page. FM should have created it automagically when you generated the TOC.
 You can disregard (or delete) the page that contains the wrong tags.

 s.

 --
 Stuart Rogers
 Technical Communicator
 Phoenix Geophysics Limited
 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
 Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com


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Updating TOC Wipes Formatting

[Karen Robbins]

Here's what may be causing my problem: The TOC reference page has default
paragraph tags for HeadingATOC, HeadingBTOC, etc. But my document
has paragraph tags of Heading1TOC, Heading2TOC, etc.

I am not sure if I created (at some point in the distant past) the TOC
paragraph tags with that naming convention or how it came to be. Others
have muddled with these files before me, so it's hard to know.

I need to apply the style elements of my TOC tags to the default TOC tags,
then delete my tags and apply/use only the default tags (newly styled).
Then my TOC updates should be in better shape than they were before. ;-)

Thanks again,
Karen
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[Stuart Rogers]

On 2013-Aug-29 1:12 PM, Karen Robbins wrote:
> Here's what may be causing my problem: The TOC reference page has 
> default paragraph tags for HeadingATOC, HeadingBTOC, etc. But my 
> document has paragraph tags of Heading1TOC, Heading2TOC, etc.
>
> I am not sure if I created (at some point in the distant past) the TOC 
> paragraph tags with that naming convention or how it came to be. 
> Others have muddled with these files before me, so it's hard to know.
>
> I need to apply the style elements of my TOC tags to the default TOC 
> tags, then delete my tags and apply/use only the default tags (newly 
> styled). Then my TOC updates should be in better shape than they were 
> before. ;-)
>
> Thanks again,
> Karen
>
>

Karen,

Before you do that, check for another TOC flow on a different reference 
page. FM should have created it automagically when you generated the 
TOC. You can disregard (or delete) the page that contains the wrong tags.

s.

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com

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[Karen Robbins]

Luckily, only one TOC reference page. And the formatting now seems to apply
when updating.

But now I have another problem. My TOC page contains other content
(credits, legalese, etc.) besides the TOC, which takes up only about half
the page. When updating the book, FM doesn't replace the existing TOC; it
adds a whole new TOC on a new page 1 of this file, pushing my existing
content (TOC and other) to page 2.

Of course I can copy and paste the new, updated TOC in place of the old
one. Or maybe some other way of getting it into position. But if FM is
supposedly deleting the existing TOC when updating, why didn't this happen?

Thanks,
Karen




On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Stuart Rogers <
srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com> wrote:

>  On 2013-Aug-29 1:12 PM, Karen Robbins wrote:
>
>   Here's what may be causing my problem: The TOC reference page has
> default paragraph tags for HeadingATOC, HeadingBTOC, etc. But my document
> has paragraph tags of Heading1TOC, Heading2TOC, etc.
>
>  I am not sure if I created (at some point in the distant past) the TOC
> paragraph tags with that naming convention or how it came to be. Others
> have muddled with these files before me, so it's hard to know.
>
>  I need to apply the style elements of my TOC tags to the default TOC
> tags, then delete my tags and apply/use only the default tags (newly
> styled). Then my TOC updates should be in better shape than they were
> before. ;-)
>
>  Thanks again,
> Karen
>
>
>
> Karen,
>
> Before you do that, check for another TOC flow on a different reference
> page. FM should have created it automagically when you generated the TOC.
> You can disregard (or delete) the page that contains the wrong tags.
>
> s.
>
> --
> Stuart Rogers
> Technical Communicator
> Phoenix Geophysics Limited
> 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
> Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
> http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
>
>
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[Karen Robbins]

Hi Framers,

Why does updating a book strip all formatting from existing TOC entries?
I've already imported paragraph formats to the TOC file. I haven't altered
the text of the entries or their page numbers, just applied formatting from
the paragraph designer. Clicking default font doesn't restore applied
formats.

I would understand if new entries picked up during the update had no
formatting, but I can't see why entries that match what's already there and
don't change would have their formatting stripped out.

This makes updating the TOC take two, three, four times as long as it
should!

Thanks,
--Karen
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RE: Updating TOC Wipes Formatting

[Fred Ridder]

Performing an Update Book operation doesn't strip all formatting from existing 
TOC entries, because one of the first things it does is *delete* all TOC 
entries--all the paragraphs--so that it can rebuild the TOC on the legitimate 
assumption that some of them have changed or that the order or population of 
headings has changed. When it rebuilds the TOC it will use the formatting that 
you saved as the TOC file's paragraph catalog when you set up the formatting.

But note that importing the paragraph formats from your chapter file to your 
TOC file probably will not produce the desired result because the TOC has its 
own set of unique formats. For example, your chapter files may have Heading1 
and Heading2 styles, but the TOC needs to have Heading1TOC and Heading2TOC 
styles. If you do not have a paragraph catalog that has all the appropriate 
*TOC styles, the paragraphs that appear when Update Book regenerates the TOC 
will have default formatting, and this may be what you are seeing.

-Fred Ridder

Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:43:30 -0700
Subject: Updating TOC Wipes Formatting
From: karendes...@gmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Hi Framers,

Why does updating a book strip all formatting from existing TOC entries? I've 
already imported paragraph formats to the TOC file. I haven't altered the text 
of the entries or their page numbers, just applied formatting from the 
paragraph designer. Clicking default font doesn't restore applied formats.


I would understand if new entries picked up during the update had no 
formatting, but I can't see why entries that match what's already there and 
don't change would have their formatting stripped out. 


This makes updating the TOC take two, three, four times as long as it should!

Thanks,
--Karen


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Re: Updating TOC Wipes Formatting

[Lin Sims]

Hi Karen,

You need to set up how you want your TOC to look on its reference page. If
you already have a TOC set up correctly, use File  Import  Formats,
deselect All, then select Reference Pages and Paragraph Tags, and import.
The next time you update the book, the TOC will be in the correct
formatting.

If you don't have one set up correctly, you'll have to do it.

Click View  Reference Pages
Find the reference page labeled TOC. It'll probably have something there
already with paragraph tag labels such as Heading1TOC.
Use the paragraph designer to format your heading_styleTOC tags on this
page.
When you're done, click View  Body Pages and then regenerate the book

HTH,

Lin


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Karen Robbins karendes...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Framers,

 Why does updating a book strip all formatting from existing TOC entries?
 I've already imported paragraph formats to the TOC file. I haven't altered
 the text of the entries or their page numbers, just applied formatting from
 the paragraph designer. Clicking default font doesn't restore applied
 formats.

 I would understand if new entries picked up during the update had no
 formatting, but I can't see why entries that match what's already there and
 don't change would have their formatting stripped out.

 This makes updating the TOC take two, three, four times as long as it
 should!

 Thanks,
 --Karen

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Re: Updating TOC Wipes Formatting

[Stuart Rogers]

On 2013-Aug-27 5:03 PM, Fred Ridder wrote:
Performing an Update Book operation doesn't strip all formatting from 
existing TOC entries, because one of the first things it does is 
*delete* all TOC entries--all the paragraphs--so that it can rebuild 
the TOC on the legitimate assumption that some of them have changed or 
that the order or population of headings has changed. When it rebuilds 
the TOC it will use the formatting that you saved as the TOC file's 
paragraph catalog when you set up the formatting.


But note that importing the paragraph formats from your chapter file 
to your TOC file probably will not produce the desired result because 
the TOC has its own set of unique formats. For example, your chapter 
files may have Heading1 and Heading2 styles, but the TOC needs to have 
Heading1TOC and Heading2TOC styles. If you do not have a paragraph 
catalog that has all the appropriate *TOC styles, the paragraphs that 
appear when Update Book regenerates the TOC will have default 
formatting, and this may be what you are seeing.


-Fred Ridder





Or in other words, when you first generate a TOC, it will have a unique 
set of tags with names that all end in TOC -- one for each unique 
paragraph style that you included in your TOC setup.  It is these 
default tags that you must modify using the pgf designer to get the look 
that you want; then save the TOC in order to preserve the catalog.


Note that you also have to modify the TOC flow on the reference pages if 
you want to add tabs or apply character formatting, for example, by 
applying colour to just the Heading1TOC page numbers. Each unique pgf 
style in the TOC will have an exemplar entry in that flow, which you can 
modify.  Save and regenerate to see the effects of your changes.


HTH,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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RE: Updating TOC Wipes Formatting

[Combs, Richard]

Lin Sims wrote:

 Click View  Reference Pages
 Find the reference page labeled TOC. It'll probably have something there
 already with paragraph tag labels such as Heading1TOC.
 Use the paragraph designer to format your heading_styleTOC tags on this
 page.

Fred, Lin, and Stuart have pretty well covered it, and this may not need to be 
said. But just in case: When you format heading_styleTOC in Paragraph 
Designer, be sure to click Update All, not Apply. 

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Updating TOC Wipes Formatting

[Karen Robbins]

Hi Framers,

Why does updating a book strip all formatting from existing TOC entries?
I've already imported paragraph formats to the TOC file. I haven't altered
the text of the entries or their page numbers, just applied formatting from
the paragraph designer. Clicking "default font" doesn't restore applied
formats.

I would understand if new entries picked up during the update had no
formatting, but I can't see why entries that match what's already there and
don't change would have their formatting stripped out.

This makes updating the TOC take two, three, four times as long as it
should!

Thanks,
--Karen
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[Fred Ridder]

Performing an Update Book operation doesn't strip all formatting from existing 
TOC entries, because one of the first things it does is *delete* all TOC 
entries--all the paragraphs--so that it can rebuild the TOC on the legitimate 
assumption that some of them have changed or that the order or population of 
headings has changed. When it rebuilds the TOC it will use the formatting that 
you saved as the TOC file's paragraph catalog when you set up the formatting.

But note that importing the paragraph formats from your chapter file to your 
TOC file probably will not produce the desired result because the TOC has its 
own set of unique formats. For example, your chapter files may have Heading1 
and Heading2 styles, but the TOC needs to have Heading1TOC and Heading2TOC 
styles. If you do not have a paragraph catalog that has all the appropriate 
*TOC styles, the paragraphs that appear when Update Book regenerates the TOC 
will have default formatting, and this may be what you are seeing.

-Fred Ridder

Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:43:30 -0700
Subject: Updating TOC Wipes Formatting
From: karendes...@gmail.com
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com

Hi Framers,

Why does updating a book strip all formatting from existing TOC entries? I've 
already imported paragraph formats to the TOC file. I haven't altered the text 
of the entries or their page numbers, just applied formatting from the 
paragraph designer. Clicking "default font" doesn't restore applied formats.


I would understand if new entries picked up during the update had no 
formatting, but I can't see why entries that match what's already there and 
don't change would have their formatting stripped out. 


This makes updating the TOC take two, three, four times as long as it should!

Thanks,
--Karen


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[Lin Sims]

Hi Karen,

You need to set up how you want your TOC to look on its reference page. If
you already have a TOC set up correctly, use File > Import > Formats,
deselect All, then select Reference Pages and Paragraph Tags, and import.
The next time you update the book, the TOC will be in the correct
formatting.

If you don't have one set up correctly, you'll have to do it.

Click View > Reference Pages
Find the reference page labeled TOC. It'll probably have something there
already with paragraph tag labels such as Heading1TOC.
Use the paragraph designer to format your TOC tags on this
page.
When you're done, click View > Body Pages and then regenerate the book

HTH,

Lin


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Karen Robbins wrote:

> Hi Framers,
>
> Why does updating a book strip all formatting from existing TOC entries?
> I've already imported paragraph formats to the TOC file. I haven't altered
> the text of the entries or their page numbers, just applied formatting from
> the paragraph designer. Clicking "default font" doesn't restore applied
> formats.
>
> I would understand if new entries picked up during the update had no
> formatting, but I can't see why entries that match what's already there and
> don't change would have their formatting stripped out.
>
> This makes updating the TOC take two, three, four times as long as it
> should!
>
> Thanks,
> --Karen
>
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On 2013-Aug-27 5:03 PM, Fred Ridder wrote:
> Performing an Update Book operation doesn't strip all formatting from 
> existing TOC entries, because one of the first things it does is 
> *delete* all TOC entries--all the paragraphs--so that it can rebuild 
> the TOC on the legitimate assumption that some of them have changed or 
> that the order or population of headings has changed. When it rebuilds 
> the TOC it will use the formatting that you saved as the TOC file's 
> paragraph catalog when you set up the formatting.
>
> But note that importing the paragraph formats from your chapter file 
> to your TOC file probably will not produce the desired result because 
> the TOC has its own set of unique formats. For example, your chapter 
> files may have Heading1 and Heading2 styles, but the TOC needs to have 
> Heading1TOC and Heading2TOC styles. If you do not have a paragraph 
> catalog that has all the appropriate *TOC styles, the paragraphs that 
> appear when Update Book regenerates the TOC will have default 
> formatting, and this may be what you are seeing.
>
> -Fred Ridder
>
> 
>

Or in other words, when you first generate a TOC, it will have a unique 
set of tags with names that all end in TOC -- one for each unique 
paragraph style that you included in your TOC setup.  It is these 
default tags that you must modify using the pgf designer to get the look 
that you want; then save the TOC in order to preserve the catalog.

Note that you also have to modify the TOC flow on the reference pages if 
you want to add tabs or apply character formatting, for example, by 
applying colour to just the Heading1TOC page numbers. Each unique pgf 
style in the TOC will have an exemplar entry in that flow, which you can 
modify.  Save and regenerate to see the effects of your changes.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com

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[Combs, Richard]

Lin Sims wrote:

> Click View > Reference Pages
> Find the reference page labeled TOC. It'll probably have something there
> already with paragraph tag labels such as Heading1TOC.
> Use the paragraph designer to format your TOC tags on this
> page.

Fred, Lin, and Stuart have pretty well covered it, and this may not need to be 
said. But just in case: When you format TOC in Paragraph 
Designer, be sure to click Update All, not Apply. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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