RE: What version of Frame to Get Started ?
Hi everyone, While I understand the rationale of starting with a later version, I'd like to suggest that selecting a version of FM as a starter depends on what your goals are. If all you want to do is learn the basics, I'd suggest no earlier than FM6, as the GUI changed significantly from 5.5 to 6 and so did the book-level features. If you want to start working with XML, then 7.2 would be the earliest version to use. - just my rusty penny's worth Diane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of mulholland4 Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:09 AM To: Rick Quatro Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: What version of Frame to Get Started ? Hi Peter, FrameMaker 5.5 did have some issues and yes what Rick says is really sound advice, don't go for anything less than version 7.2. Having said that, I used version 5.5 and version 6 for many years and survived! If you can't afford to upgrade at the moment, version 5.5 will allow you to produce a large volume of work. And remember, when you do upgrade you can convert the docs created in 5.5 to the upgrade version, however you can't go backwards. Mulholland On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Rick Quatro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since you already have FrameMaker 5.5, you can upgrade to version 8 for > about $300. Unless you can get an earlier version for much less, this seems > like the way to go. If you are going to settle for an earlier version, I > wouldn't go lower than FrameMaker 7.2. > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing > 585-659-8267 > www.frameexpert.com > > > > Good Morning, > > > > I want to learn more about Framemaker, > > I have Ver. 5.5 and have fooled with that but > > need more experience... > > > > The prices of the latest version scare me, unless > > I had a contract or revenue input from writing... > > > > Recognizing that ver. 5.5 has basic functionality, > > what would be a next step? > > Is it worth searching EBay for ver. 6.0 or try > > to find ver. 7.1 at a reasonable price? > > > > On occasion, I find late versions of "Upgrade" packages > > available on EBay... Would some version of Upgrade 7.0 > > (or 7.1) bring my ver. 5.5 up to the next current level? > > > > The recent List discussion on Jahred's "Beyond the Basics" > > has stirred my curiosity, therefore I have found a copy > > of that text to read and review... > > > > Any comments appreciated > > A (latent) newbie Writer. > > > > -pc > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mulholland4%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
What version of Frame to Get Started ?
Hi everyone, While I understand the rationale of starting with a later version, I'd like to suggest that selecting a version of FM as a starter depends on what your goals are. If all you want to do is learn the basics, I'd suggest no earlier than FM6, as the GUI changed significantly from 5.5 to 6 and so did the book-level features. If you want to start working with XML, then 7.2 would be the earliest version to use. - just my rusty penny's worth Diane -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of mulholland4 Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:09 AM To: Rick Quatro Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: What version of Frame to Get Started ? Hi Peter, FrameMaker 5.5 did have some issues and yes what Rick says is really sound advice, don't go for anything less than version 7.2. Having said that, I used version 5.5 and version 6 for many years and survived! If you can't afford to upgrade at the moment, version 5.5 will allow you to produce a large volume of work. And remember, when you do upgrade you can convert the docs created in 5.5 to the upgrade version, however you can't go backwards. Mulholland On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Rick Quatro wrote: > Since you already have FrameMaker 5.5, you can upgrade to version 8 for > about $300. Unless you can get an earlier version for much less, this seems > like the way to go. If you are going to settle for an earlier version, I > wouldn't go lower than FrameMaker 7.2. > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing > 585-659-8267 > www.frameexpert.com > > > > Good Morning, > > > > I want to learn more about Framemaker, > > I have Ver. 5.5 and have fooled with that but > > need more experience... > > > > The prices of the latest version scare me, unless > > I had a contract or revenue input from writing... > > > > Recognizing that ver. 5.5 has basic functionality, > > what would be a next step? > > Is it worth searching EBay for ver. 6.0 or try > > to find ver. 7.1 at a reasonable price? > > > > On occasion, I find late versions of "Upgrade" packages > > available on EBay... Would some version of Upgrade 7.0 > > (or 7.1) bring my ver. 5.5 up to the next current level? > > > > The recent List discussion on Jahred's "Beyond the Basics" > > has stirred my curiosity, therefore I have found a copy > > of that text to read and review... > > > > Any comments appreciated > > A (latent) newbie Writer. > > > > -pc > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as mulholland4 at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mulholland4%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as dgcaller at earthlink.net. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
What version of Frame to Get Started ?
On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:49:12 -0700 (PDT), Susan Modlin wrote: >And if you attempt to block a credit card payment to >PayPal, be prepared for unremitting and increasingly >unpleasant letters and emails. Quite right. I did that, and was told I'd be banned if I ever did it again. They insist that you wait 30 days before *initiating* the complaint process. The rub? That exceeds the credit-card notification time limit, so you are completely at their mercy... and they have none. IMHO, that makes them complicit with the thieves. I don't use them any more. If the vendor can't/won't take a credit card *directly*, forget it. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Re: What version of Frame to Get Started ?
On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:49:12 -0700 (PDT), Susan Modlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >And if you attempt to block a credit card payment to >PayPal, be prepared for unremitting and increasingly >unpleasant letters and emails. Quite right. I did that, and was told I'd be banned if I ever did it again. They insist that you wait 30 days before *initiating* the complaint process. The rub? That exceeds the credit-card notification time limit, so you are completely at their mercy... and they have none. IMHO, that makes them complicit with the thieves. I don't use them any more. If the vendor can't/won't take a credit card *directly*, forget it. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: What version of Frame to Get Started ?
Amen to that. Some additional caveats: even if you do everything exactly as Jeremy suggests below, you're still at risk. And you would be wise not to count on either eBay or PayPal to provide much help. If you buy an academic version even though the vendor has said it's not, eBay seems to view this as a case of mismatched expectations between buyer and seller, which is not its problem. And if you attempt to block a credit card payment to PayPal, be prepared for unremitting and increasingly unpleasant letters and emails. My hard won advice is don't even think about buying software on eBay unless you know and trust the vendor. It's not worth the risk. ...Susan - Original Message From: Jeremy H. Griffith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 4:35:42 PM Subject: Re: What version of Frame to Get Started ? On Thu, 15 May 2008 15:04:12 -0700, Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Please be careful wrt/ EBay software "purchases" - a large percentage >of what is hawked on EBay is either pirated or stolen goods. Pirated >includes simply copying disks and giving you the serial number as well >as massive CD duplication efforts. In some cases what is being "sold" >is a copy of a package that already has been upgraded and not eligible >to be legally transferred to someone else. Before bidding on such an >item, get proof that it is indeed a legal copy that can be legally >transferred. Such information could be obtained from Adobe Customer >Support given a name and serial number. +1 If they won't give you the serial number, point out that the SN is *not* the product key; you couldn't use it against them, unless, of course, they *are* pirates. ;-) Another thing to watch for on eBay is "academic" versions, being sold either by a student or by an academic vendor who doesn't require a check of your credentials. Most of the folks selling those won't mention this little detail, so *always* ask, publically, on the auction item's page. Then, if they lie, you have some recourse. Otherwise you don't. The vendor *must* identify the item as "new" or "used". Avoid the used ones. Adobe may allow license transfer, but that's not a sure thing; the package may have been used for an upgrade, for example. If they claim "new", and you cannot register with Adobe because it wasn't, file a claim against them with eBay, PayPal, *and* your credit-card provider immediately on grounds of fraud. Lots of people have shrinkwrap machines. ;-) eBay gives new meaning to "caveat emptor"... -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/smodlin%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
What version of Frame to Get Started ?
Amen to that. Some additional caveats: even if you do everything exactly as Jeremy suggests below, you're still at risk. And you would be wise not to count on either eBay or PayPal to provide much help. If you buy an academic version even though the vendor has said it's not, eBay seems to view this as a case of mismatched expectations between buyer and seller, which is not its problem. And if you attempt to block a credit card payment to PayPal, be prepared for unremitting and increasingly unpleasant letters and emails. My hard won advice is don't even think about buying software on eBay unless you know and trust the vendor. It's not worth the risk. ...Susan - Original Message From: Jeremy H. Griffith To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 4:35:42 PM Subject: Re: What version of Frame to Get Started ? On Thu, 15 May 2008 15:04:12 -0700, Dov Isaacs wrote: >Please be careful wrt/ EBay software "purchases" - a large percentage >of what is hawked on EBay is either pirated or stolen goods. Pirated >includes simply copying disks and giving you the serial number as well >as massive CD duplication efforts. In some cases what is being "sold" >is a copy of a package that already has been upgraded and not eligible >to be legally transferred to someone else. Before bidding on such an >item, get proof that it is indeed a legal copy that can be legally >transferred. Such information could be obtained from Adobe Customer >Support given a name and serial number. +1 If they won't give you the serial number, point out that the SN is *not* the product key; you couldn't use it against them, unless, of course, they *are* pirates. ;-) Another thing to watch for on eBay is "academic" versions, being sold either by a student or by an academic vendor who doesn't require a check of your credentials. Most of the folks selling those won't mention this little detail, so *always* ask, publically, on the auction item's page. Then, if they lie, you have some recourse. Otherwise you don't. The vendor *must* identify the item as "new" or "used". Avoid the used ones. Adobe may allow license transfer, but that's not a sure thing; the package may have been used for an upgrade, for example. If they claim "new", and you cannot register with Adobe because it wasn't, file a claim against them with eBay, PayPal, *and* your credit-card provider immediately on grounds of fraud. Lots of people have shrinkwrap machines. ;-) eBay gives new meaning to "caveat emptor"... -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as smodlin at yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/smodlin%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: What version of Frame to Get Started ?
On Thu, 15 May 2008 15:04:12 -0700, Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Please be careful wrt/ EBay software "purchases" - a large percentage >of what is hawked on EBay is either pirated or stolen goods. Pirated >includes simply copying disks and giving you the serial number as well >as massive CD duplication efforts. In some cases what is being "sold" >is a copy of a package that already has been upgraded and not eligible >to be legally transferred to someone else. Before bidding on such an >item, get proof that it is indeed a legal copy that can be legally >transferred. Such information could be obtained from Adobe Customer >Support given a name and serial number. +1 If they won't give you the serial number, point out that the SN is *not* the product key; you couldn't use it against them, unless, of course, they *are* pirates. ;-) Another thing to watch for on eBay is "academic" versions, being sold either by a student or by an academic vendor who doesn't require a check of your credentials. Most of the folks selling those won't mention this little detail, so *always* ask, publically, on the auction item's page. Then, if they lie, you have some recourse. Otherwise you don't. The vendor *must* identify the item as "new" or "used". Avoid the used ones. Adobe may allow license transfer, but that's not a sure thing; the package may have been used for an upgrade, for example. If they claim "new", and you cannot register with Adobe because it wasn't, file a claim against them with eBay, PayPal, *and* your credit-card provider immediately on grounds of fraud. Lots of people have shrinkwrap machines. ;-) eBay gives new meaning to "caveat emptor"... -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
What version of Frame to Get Started ?
On Thu, 15 May 2008 15:04:12 -0700, Dov Isaacs wrote: >Please be careful wrt/ EBay software "purchases" - a large percentage >of what is hawked on EBay is either pirated or stolen goods. Pirated >includes simply copying disks and giving you the serial number as well >as massive CD duplication efforts. In some cases what is being "sold" >is a copy of a package that already has been upgraded and not eligible >to be legally transferred to someone else. Before bidding on such an >item, get proof that it is indeed a legal copy that can be legally >transferred. Such information could be obtained from Adobe Customer >Support given a name and serial number. +1 If they won't give you the serial number, point out that the SN is *not* the product key; you couldn't use it against them, unless, of course, they *are* pirates. ;-) Another thing to watch for on eBay is "academic" versions, being sold either by a student or by an academic vendor who doesn't require a check of your credentials. Most of the folks selling those won't mention this little detail, so *always* ask, publically, on the auction item's page. Then, if they lie, you have some recourse. Otherwise you don't. The vendor *must* identify the item as "new" or "used". Avoid the used ones. Adobe may allow license transfer, but that's not a sure thing; the package may have been used for an upgrade, for example. If they claim "new", and you cannot register with Adobe because it wasn't, file a claim against them with eBay, PayPal, *and* your credit-card provider immediately on grounds of fraud. Lots of people have shrinkwrap machines. ;-) eBay gives new meaning to "caveat emptor"... -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
RE: What version of Frame to Get Started ?
Good Afternoon, Dov Isaacs said (in reference to Framemaker): "what is hawked on EBay is either pirated or stolen goods." Gosh, I am happy that you told me that. I have seen Framemaker listed on EBay that stipulates "installed on one machine, only" and other variants of this statement. So I did wonder about that (registration and installation) and said to myself: "Well how would you know?" So unless that it was stated that "it is new" or Shrink-wrapped, and that "it is returnable" I do not even consider reading more... I recently saw a Ver 7.2 (on EBay) with an attractive price, that I got excited about, until I read down into the Listing and it said "Absolutely No Returns"... So I said: "I don't think so !!!" Regards Peter --- On Thu, 5/15/08, Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: What version of Frame to Get Started ? > To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "framers@lists.frameusers.com" > > Date: Thursday, May 15, 2008, 6:04 PM > Please be careful wrt/ EBay software "purchases" - > a large percentage > of what is hawked on EBay is either pirated or stolen > goods. Pirated > includes simply copying disks and giving you the serial > number as well > as massive CD duplication efforts. In some cases what is > being "sold" > is a copy of a package that already has been upgraded and > not eligible > to be legally transferred to someone else. Before bidding > on such an > item, get proof that it is indeed a legal copy that can be > legally > transferred. Such information could be obtained from Adobe > Customer > Support given a name and serial number. > > - Dov > > > -Original Message- > > From: Peter Courlis > > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:54 AM > > > > Good Morning, > > > > I want to learn more about Framemaker, > > I have Ver. 5.5 and have fooled with that but > > need more experience... > > > > The prices of the latest version scare me, unless > > I had a contract or revenue input from writing... > > > > Recognizing that ver. 5.5 has basic functionality, > > what would be a next step? > > Is it worth searching EBay for ver. 6.0 or try > > to find ver. 7.1 at a reasonable price? > > > > On occasion, I find late versions of > "Upgrade" packages > > available on EBay... Would some version of Upgrade 7.0 > > (or 7.1) bring my ver. 5.5 up to the next current > level? > > > > The recent List discussion on Jahred's > "Beyond the Basics" > > has stirred my curiosity, therefore I have found a > copy > > of that text to read and review... > > > > Any comments appreciated > > A (latent) newbie Writer. > > > > -pc ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
What version of Frame to Get Started ?
Good Afternoon, Dov Isaacs said (in reference to Framemaker): "what is hawked on EBay is either pirated or stolen goods." Gosh, I am happy that you told me that. I have seen Framemaker listed on EBay that stipulates "installed on one machine, only" and other variants of this statement. So I did wonder about that (registration and installation) and said to myself: "Well how would you know?" So unless that it was stated that "it is new" or Shrink-wrapped, and that "it is returnable" I do not even consider reading more... I recently saw a Ver 7.2 (on EBay) with an attractive price, that I got excited about, until I read down into the Listing and it said "Absolutely No Returns"... So I said: "I don't think so !!!" Regards Peter --- On Thu, 5/15/08, Dov Isaacs wrote: > From: Dov Isaacs > Subject: RE: What version of Frame to Get Started ? > To: "neat_gent at yahoo.com" , "framers at > lists.frameusers.com" > Date: Thursday, May 15, 2008, 6:04 PM > Please be careful wrt/ EBay software "purchases" - > a large percentage > of what is hawked on EBay is either pirated or stolen > goods. Pirated > includes simply copying disks and giving you the serial > number as well > as massive CD duplication efforts. In some cases what is > being "sold" > is a copy of a package that already has been upgraded and > not eligible > to be legally transferred to someone else. Before bidding > on such an > item, get proof that it is indeed a legal copy that can be > legally > transferred. Such information could be obtained from Adobe > Customer > Support given a name and serial number. > > - Dov > > > -Original Message- > > From: Peter Courlis > > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:54 AM > > > > Good Morning, > > > > I want to learn more about Framemaker, > > I have Ver. 5.5 and have fooled with that but > > need more experience... > > > > The prices of the latest version scare me, unless > > I had a contract or revenue input from writing... > > > > Recognizing that ver. 5.5 has basic functionality, > > what would be a next step? > > Is it worth searching EBay for ver. 6.0 or try > > to find ver. 7.1 at a reasonable price? > > > > On occasion, I find late versions of > "Upgrade" packages > > available on EBay... Would some version of Upgrade 7.0 > > (or 7.1) bring my ver. 5.5 up to the next current > level? > > > > The recent List discussion on Jahred's > "Beyond the Basics" > > has stirred my curiosity, therefore I have found a > copy > > of that text to read and review... > > > > Any comments appreciated > > A (latent) newbie Writer. > > > > -pc
RE: What version of Frame to Get Started ?
Please be careful wrt/ EBay software "purchases" - a large percentage of what is hawked on EBay is either pirated or stolen goods. Pirated includes simply copying disks and giving you the serial number as well as massive CD duplication efforts. In some cases what is being "sold" is a copy of a package that already has been upgraded and not eligible to be legally transferred to someone else. Before bidding on such an item, get proof that it is indeed a legal copy that can be legally transferred. Such information could be obtained from Adobe Customer Support given a name and serial number. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Peter Courlis > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:54 AM > > Good Morning, > > I want to learn more about Framemaker, > I have Ver. 5.5 and have fooled with that but > need more experience... > > The prices of the latest version scare me, unless > I had a contract or revenue input from writing... > > Recognizing that ver. 5.5 has basic functionality, > what would be a next step? > Is it worth searching EBay for ver. 6.0 or try > to find ver. 7.1 at a reasonable price? > > On occasion, I find late versions of "Upgrade" packages > available on EBay... Would some version of Upgrade 7.0 > (or 7.1) bring my ver. 5.5 up to the next current level? > > The recent List discussion on Jahred's "Beyond the Basics" > has stirred my curiosity, therefore I have found a copy > of that text to read and review... > > Any comments appreciated > A (latent) newbie Writer. > > -pc ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
What version of Frame to Get Started ?
Please be careful wrt/ EBay software "purchases" - a large percentage of what is hawked on EBay is either pirated or stolen goods. Pirated includes simply copying disks and giving you the serial number as well as massive CD duplication efforts. In some cases what is being "sold" is a copy of a package that already has been upgraded and not eligible to be legally transferred to someone else. Before bidding on such an item, get proof that it is indeed a legal copy that can be legally transferred. Such information could be obtained from Adobe Customer Support given a name and serial number. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Peter Courlis > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:54 AM > > Good Morning, > > I want to learn more about Framemaker, > I have Ver. 5.5 and have fooled with that but > need more experience... > > The prices of the latest version scare me, unless > I had a contract or revenue input from writing... > > Recognizing that ver. 5.5 has basic functionality, > what would be a next step? > Is it worth searching EBay for ver. 6.0 or try > to find ver. 7.1 at a reasonable price? > > On occasion, I find late versions of "Upgrade" packages > available on EBay... Would some version of Upgrade 7.0 > (or 7.1) bring my ver. 5.5 up to the next current level? > > The recent List discussion on Jahred's "Beyond the Basics" > has stirred my curiosity, therefore I have found a copy > of that text to read and review... > > Any comments appreciated > A (latent) newbie Writer. > > -pc
What version of Frame to Get Started ?
Responding to Peter C, mulholland4 wrote (in part):> And remember, when you do upgrade you can convert the> docs created in 5.5 to the upgrade version, however you can't go backwards. Not entirely true. If you save a document as MIF from any version of Frame, that MIF file can be opened from *any* version of FrameMaker. If the MIF file has content that uses features that didn't yet exist in the FrameMaker version that is opening the file (e.g. any of the expanded complement of system variables that was added in FM6, or master page mapping to paragraph tags), the older version will simply ignore that part of the MIF code and you won't get full functionality. But in any case, the content itself will be fully accessible and editable in the old version even if some of the presentational niceties are missing. -FR _ Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_052008
What version of Frame to Get Started ?
Hi Peter, FrameMaker 5.5 did have some issues and yes what Rick says is really sound advice, don't go for anything less than version 7.2. Having said that, I used version 5.5 and version 6 for many years and survived! If you can't afford to upgrade at the moment, version 5.5 will allow you to produce a large volume of work. And remember, when you do upgrade you can convert the docs created in 5.5 to the upgrade version, however you can't go backwards. Mulholland On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Rick Quatro wrote: > Since you already have FrameMaker 5.5, you can upgrade to version 8 for > about $300. Unless you can get an earlier version for much less, this seems > like the way to go. If you are going to settle for an earlier version, I > wouldn't go lower than FrameMaker 7.2. > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing > 585-659-8267 > www.frameexpert.com > > > > Good Morning, > > > > I want to learn more about Framemaker, > > I have Ver. 5.5 and have fooled with that but > > need more experience... > > > > The prices of the latest version scare me, unless > > I had a contract or revenue input from writing... > > > > Recognizing that ver. 5.5 has basic functionality, > > what would be a next step? > > Is it worth searching EBay for ver. 6.0 or try > > to find ver. 7.1 at a reasonable price? > > > > On occasion, I find late versions of "Upgrade" packages > > available on EBay... Would some version of Upgrade 7.0 > > (or 7.1) bring my ver. 5.5 up to the next current level? > > > > The recent List discussion on Jahred's "Beyond the Basics" > > has stirred my curiosity, therefore I have found a copy > > of that text to read and review... > > > > Any comments appreciated > > A (latent) newbie Writer. > > > > -pc > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as mulholland4 at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mulholland4%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
What version of Frame to Get Started ?
If you learn with FrameMaker version 5.5 and migrate to FrameMaker 8, the concepts, commands, dialogs, and user interface will remain largely familiar for unstructured authoring. You will miss various bells and whistles that have been added, and will lack experience with structured authoring and DITA. This may or may not be an issue. Although the conventional wisdom may be that "structure/DITA is the future", I'm seeing as many new unstructured deployments as I ever have in the past. Adobe has a very liberal upgrade policy for FrameMaker. Any previous version is eligible for the current upgrade price of $299USD. I would second Rick Quatro's recommendation to purchase an upgrade, if economically feasible for you. If not, go with 7.2. -Alan --- Alan Houser, President Group Wellesley, Inc. 412-363-3481 www.groupwellesley.com Peter Courlis wrote: > Good Morning, > > I want to learn more about Framemaker, > I have Ver. 5.5 and have fooled with that but > need more experience... > > The prices of the latest version scare me, unless > I had a contract or revenue input from writing... > > Recognizing that ver. 5.5 has basic functionality, > what would be a next step? > Is it worth searching EBay for ver. 6.0 or try > to find ver. 7.1 at a reasonable price? > > On occasion, I find late versions of "Upgrade" packages > available on EBay... Would some version of Upgrade 7.0 > (or 7.1) bring my ver. 5.5 up to the next current level? > > The recent List discussion on Jahred's "Beyond the Basics" > has stirred my curiosity, therefore I have found a copy > of that text to read and review... > > Any comments appreciated > A (latent) newbie Writer. > > -pc > > >
What version of Frame to Get Started ?
Since you already have FrameMaker 5.5, you can upgrade to version 8 for about $300. Unless you can get an earlier version for much less, this seems like the way to go. If you are going to settle for an earlier version, I wouldn't go lower than FrameMaker 7.2. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com > Good Morning, > > I want to learn more about Framemaker, > I have Ver. 5.5 and have fooled with that but > need more experience... > > The prices of the latest version scare me, unless > I had a contract or revenue input from writing... > > Recognizing that ver. 5.5 has basic functionality, > what would be a next step? > Is it worth searching EBay for ver. 6.0 or try > to find ver. 7.1 at a reasonable price? > > On occasion, I find late versions of "Upgrade" packages > available on EBay... Would some version of Upgrade 7.0 > (or 7.1) bring my ver. 5.5 up to the next current level? > > The recent List discussion on Jahred's "Beyond the Basics" > has stirred my curiosity, therefore I have found a copy > of that text to read and review... > > Any comments appreciated > A (latent) newbie Writer. > > -pc
RE: What version of Frame to Get Started ?
Responding to Peter C, mulholland4 wrote (in part):> And remember, when you do upgrade you can convert the> docs created in 5.5 to the upgrade version, however you can't go backwards. Not entirely true. If you save a document as MIF from any version of Frame, that MIF file can be opened from *any* version of FrameMaker. If the MIF file has content that uses features that didn't yet exist in the FrameMaker version that is opening the file (e.g. any of the expanded complement of system variables that was added in FM6, or master page mapping to paragraph tags), the older version will simply ignore that part of the MIF code and you won't get full functionality. But in any case, the content itself will be fully accessible and editable in the old version even if some of the presentational niceties are missing. -FR _ Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_052008 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: What version of Frame to Get Started ?
Hi Peter, FrameMaker 5.5 did have some issues and yes what Rick says is really sound advice, don't go for anything less than version 7.2. Having said that, I used version 5.5 and version 6 for many years and survived! If you can't afford to upgrade at the moment, version 5.5 will allow you to produce a large volume of work. And remember, when you do upgrade you can convert the docs created in 5.5 to the upgrade version, however you can't go backwards. Mulholland On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Rick Quatro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since you already have FrameMaker 5.5, you can upgrade to version 8 for > about $300. Unless you can get an earlier version for much less, this seems > like the way to go. If you are going to settle for an earlier version, I > wouldn't go lower than FrameMaker 7.2. > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing > 585-659-8267 > www.frameexpert.com > > > > Good Morning, > > > > I want to learn more about Framemaker, > > I have Ver. 5.5 and have fooled with that but > > need more experience... > > > > The prices of the latest version scare me, unless > > I had a contract or revenue input from writing... > > > > Recognizing that ver. 5.5 has basic functionality, > > what would be a next step? > > Is it worth searching EBay for ver. 6.0 or try > > to find ver. 7.1 at a reasonable price? > > > > On occasion, I find late versions of "Upgrade" packages > > available on EBay... Would some version of Upgrade 7.0 > > (or 7.1) bring my ver. 5.5 up to the next current level? > > > > The recent List discussion on Jahred's "Beyond the Basics" > > has stirred my curiosity, therefore I have found a copy > > of that text to read and review... > > > > Any comments appreciated > > A (latent) newbie Writer. > > > > -pc > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mulholland4%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: What version of Frame to Get Started ?
If you learn with FrameMaker version 5.5 and migrate to FrameMaker 8, the concepts, commands, dialogs, and user interface will remain largely familiar for unstructured authoring. You will miss various bells and whistles that have been added, and will lack experience with structured authoring and DITA. This may or may not be an issue. Although the conventional wisdom may be that "structure/DITA is the future", I'm seeing as many new unstructured deployments as I ever have in the past. Adobe has a very liberal upgrade policy for FrameMaker. Any previous version is eligible for the current upgrade price of $299USD. I would second Rick Quatro's recommendation to purchase an upgrade, if economically feasible for you. If not, go with 7.2. -Alan --- Alan Houser, President Group Wellesley, Inc. 412-363-3481 www.groupwellesley.com Peter Courlis wrote: > Good Morning, > > I want to learn more about Framemaker, > I have Ver. 5.5 and have fooled with that but > need more experience... > > The prices of the latest version scare me, unless > I had a contract or revenue input from writing... > > Recognizing that ver. 5.5 has basic functionality, > what would be a next step? > Is it worth searching EBay for ver. 6.0 or try > to find ver. 7.1 at a reasonable price? > > On occasion, I find late versions of "Upgrade" packages > available on EBay... Would some version of Upgrade 7.0 > (or 7.1) bring my ver. 5.5 up to the next current level? > > The recent List discussion on Jahred's "Beyond the Basics" > has stirred my curiosity, therefore I have found a copy > of that text to read and review... > > Any comments appreciated > A (latent) newbie Writer. > > -pc > > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: What version of Frame to Get Started ?
Since you already have FrameMaker 5.5, you can upgrade to version 8 for about $300. Unless you can get an earlier version for much less, this seems like the way to go. If you are going to settle for an earlier version, I wouldn't go lower than FrameMaker 7.2. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com > Good Morning, > > I want to learn more about Framemaker, > I have Ver. 5.5 and have fooled with that but > need more experience... > > The prices of the latest version scare me, unless > I had a contract or revenue input from writing... > > Recognizing that ver. 5.5 has basic functionality, > what would be a next step? > Is it worth searching EBay for ver. 6.0 or try > to find ver. 7.1 at a reasonable price? > > On occasion, I find late versions of "Upgrade" packages > available on EBay... Would some version of Upgrade 7.0 > (or 7.1) bring my ver. 5.5 up to the next current level? > > The recent List discussion on Jahred's "Beyond the Basics" > has stirred my curiosity, therefore I have found a copy > of that text to read and review... > > Any comments appreciated > A (latent) newbie Writer. > > -pc ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
What version of Frame to Get Started ?
Good Morning, I want to learn more about Framemaker, I have Ver. 5.5 and have fooled with that but need more experience... The prices of the latest version scare me, unless I had a contract or revenue input from writing... Recognizing that ver. 5.5 has basic functionality, what would be a next step? Is it worth searching EBay for ver. 6.0 or try to find ver. 7.1 at a reasonable price? On occasion, I find late versions of "Upgrade" packages available on EBay... Would some version of Upgrade 7.0 (or 7.1) bring my ver. 5.5 up to the next current level? The recent List discussion on Jahred's "Beyond the Basics" has stirred my curiosity, therefore I have found a copy of that text to read and review... Any comments appreciated A (latent) newbie Writer. -pc ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
What version of Frame to Get Started ?
Good Morning, I want to learn more about Framemaker, I have Ver. 5.5 and have fooled with that but need more experience... The prices of the latest version scare me, unless I had a contract or revenue input from writing... Recognizing that ver. 5.5 has basic functionality, what would be a next step? Is it worth searching EBay for ver. 6.0 or try to find ver. 7.1 at a reasonable price? On occasion, I find late versions of "Upgrade" packages available on EBay... Would some version of Upgrade 7.0 (or 7.1) bring my ver. 5.5 up to the next current level? The recent List discussion on Jahred's "Beyond the Basics" has stirred my curiosity, therefore I have found a copy of that text to read and review... Any comments appreciated A (latent) newbie Writer. -pc
