[Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs 208 and 217 Ready for Review

2008-02-01 Thread Alexander Limi
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:01:42 -0800, Alec Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got a buildout for the local roles PLIP (208) ready: https://svn.plone.org/svn/plone/review/plip208-localroles Just a general question here, while I remember it: When things like this happen, shouldn't

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs 208 and 217 Ready for Review

2008-02-01 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Alexander Limi wrote: Just a general question here, while I remember it: When things like this happen, shouldn't packages be renamed to plone.localrole instead of borg.localrole? hmm, i'm not sure. it would surely lessen confusion, but otoh a lot of packages

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs 208 and 217 Ready for Review

2008-02-01 Thread Tom Lazar
updates and fixes would only go into the new package. of course, we'd leave the old packages around. and, of course, maintaining two branches just for naming reasons is out of the question. we can add a note in README.txt or somesuch and make an announcement at the product's PSC presence.

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs 208 and 217 Ready for Review

2008-02-01 Thread Martin Aspeli
Hi Tom, On 01/02/2008, Tom Lazar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'd like to make a case for 'building the plone brand' not only for the integrator/user audience (as we already are doing) but also for the develeoper audience. let's not be too shy or modest here. borg is as 'plonish' in regard to its

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs 208 and 217 Ready for Review

2008-02-01 Thread Tom Lazar
i'd like to make a case for 'building the plone brand' not only for the integrator/user audience (as we already are doing) but also for the develeoper audience. let's not be too shy or modest here. borg is as 'plonish' in regard to its cleanliness, documentation, extensibility etc. as it

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs 208 and 217 Ready for Review

2008-02-01 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:31 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: -1 to renaming everthing plone.*. When things begin outside Plone (which we should encourage), then we can't necessarily insist that they are called plone.* (in fact, we'd probably discourage it if it wasn't intended to be eventually destined for

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs 208 and 217 Ready for Review

2008-02-01 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On Feb 1, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Tom Lazar wrote: updates and fixes would only go into the new package. of course, we'd leave the old packages around. right, but actually that's what i meant — it would leave many people stuck with the old, non-maintained version... we can add a note in

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs 208 and 217 Ready for Review

2008-02-01 Thread Tom Lazar
i think the penalty aspect martin mentions (apart from the effort involved in renaming, which could be spent easily elsewhere) pretty much does it for me. i rest my case. cheers, tom (who may be vain, but not passionately so ;-) On Feb 1, 2008, at 2:24 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: Hi Tom,

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs 208 and 217 Ready for Review

2008-02-01 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On Feb 1, 2008, at 2:11 PM, Tom Lazar wrote: [...] but to 'simulate diversity' by letting our own packages keep their initial, non-plone name when integrating them into plone core doesn't strike me as particularly desirable (or straightforward, for that matter), either. my point was more