[Framework-Team] PLIP wishlists towards 3.0

2006-03-13 Thread Martin Aspeli
Hi guys, I guess this is why we exist, so... I think we should discuss a bit what kind of things we'd *like* to see PLIPed, discussed and possibly included in Plone 3.0. There are a few UI PLIPs that limi has assigned: #116 -- Large folder UI improvements: make large folders have a search in

Re: [Framework-Team] PLIP wishlists towards 3.0

2006-03-13 Thread Raphael Ritz
Martin Aspeli wrote: Hi guys, Hi Martin, hi fellow co-frameworkers, I guess this is why we exist, so... I think we should discuss a bit what kind of things we'd *like* to see PLIPed, discussed and possibly included in Plone 3.0. I thought that we are more on the reviewer's side but an

[Framework-Team] Re: PLIP wishlists towards 3.0

2006-03-13 Thread Rocky Burt
I'll paste the comments I've added to the plips themselves. But I'd like to first mention as a disclaimer that any new functionality being built into Plone 3.0 that "does not" use Zope 3 style development techniques (unless the feature isn't really code level or something such) gets an automatic v

[Framework-Team] Re: PLIP wishlists towards 3.0

2006-03-13 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi all. Thx Martin for starting this thread ;) Before going into details I would like to note some time constraints, as we agreed on having time and not feature based releases, so we get some feeling what might be feasible in the time we have: Plone 2.5 - January 2006, feature / proposal

[Framework-Team] 3.0 shouldn't just be about the user facing UI

2006-03-13 Thread whit
just to piggy back a bit on this: I think one consideration that needs to be made is how much you guys want to start pursuing new style development. By the time Plone 3 ships, CMF 2.0 will have full customization of views(the technology is not far off as we stand now). My personal feeling(s

[Framework-Team] Re: PLIP wishlists towards 3.0

2006-03-13 Thread Martin Aspeli
Raphael Ritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I thought that we are more on the reviewer's side but anyway > we should have an opinion. I don't think that means we can't discuss what we'd like to see in the big picture, though. :) Perhaps this is more appropriate on plone-dev - if you think so, I'

Re: [Framework-Team] 3.0 shouldn't just be about the user facing UI

2006-03-13 Thread Alec Mitchell
On Monday 13 March 2006 09:18, whit wrote: > just to piggy back a bit on this: > > I think one consideration that needs to be made is how much you guys > want to start pursuing new style development. By the time Plone 3 > ships, CMF 2.0 will have full customization of views(the technology is > not

Re: [Framework-Team] PLIP wishlists towards 3.0

2006-03-13 Thread Alec Mitchell
On Monday 13 March 2006 03:15, Martin Aspeli wrote: > Hi guys, > > I guess this is why we exist, so... I think we should discuss a bit what > kind of things we'd *like* to see PLIPed, discussed and possibly included > in Plone 3.0. > > There are a few UI PLIPs that limi has assigned: > > #116 -- L

Re: [Framework-Team] 3.0 shouldn't just be about the user facing UI

2006-03-13 Thread Helge Tesdal
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:18:20 +0100, whit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My personal feeling(somewhat reinforced by what I saw at the symposium) is that our ui layer is on a crash course with it's self. At best, this offers an opportunity to rethink how we want to work with UI as developers, designe

Re: [Framework-Team] 3.0 shouldn't just be about the user facing UI

2006-03-13 Thread whit
Helge Tesdal wrote: On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:18:20 +0100, whit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My personal feeling(somewhat reinforced by what I saw at the symposium) is that our ui layer is on a crash course with it's self. At best, this offers an opportunity to rethink how we want to work with UI a

Re: [Framework-Team] 3.0 shouldn't just be about the user facing UI

2006-03-13 Thread Helge Tesdal
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:08:11 +0100, whit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Helge Tesdal wrote: On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:18:20 +0100, whit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My personal feeling(somewhat reinforced by what I saw at the symposium) is that our ui layer is on a crash course with it's self. At bes

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIP wishlists towards 3.0

2006-03-13 Thread whit
Rob Miller wrote: On Mar 13, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 12:03:52PM -0800, Rob Miller wrote: | hmm... not sure i can, actually. i'm very interested in getting this | working, and i'll provide guidance and help, of course, but i expect | i'll be pretty busy

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIP wishlists towards 3.0

2006-03-13 Thread Rob Miller
On Mar 13, 2006, at 12:42 PM, Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 02:35:27PM -0600, whit wrote: | was there a non-marshall based IO piece suggested? iirc, everything | talked about so far is based on marshall. There's a product for CSV import or something like that somewhere in the

[Framework-Team] Re: PLIP wishlists towards 3.0

2006-03-13 Thread Rocky Burt
On Mon, 2006-13-03 at 18:13 +, Martin Aspeli wrote: > Agree. That said, PlonePortlets are about more than that - they make portlets > into proper content types that can be workflowed, and have permissions for > things like who sees them in what contexts. I think some brainstorming with > Gei

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIP wishlists towards 3.0

2006-03-13 Thread Rob Miller
On Mar 13, 2006, at 9:41 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote: Raphael Ritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Add bulk export here as well. My number one use case for this is actually migration. Imagine getting rid of in-place migrations by simply dumping your content from the old site as some XML file and import

[Framework-Team] Re: PLIP wishlists towards 3.0

2006-03-13 Thread Martin Aspeli
Rocky Burt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > #117 -- Folder contents improvements: sticky ordering, drag-and-drop > > ordering. See also: http://plone.org/products/plone/roadmap/101 > > Read this a couple of times and I'm still not "getting" the sticky talk. I think it just means that you say "t

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIP wishlists towards 3.0

2006-03-13 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 02:35:27PM -0600, whit wrote: | was there a non-marshall based IO piece suggested? iirc, everything | talked about so far is based on marshall. There's a product for CSV import or something like that somewhere in the collective that doesn't use Marshall. Not sure what XMLF

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIP wishlists towards 3.0

2006-03-13 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 12:03:52PM -0800, Rob Miller wrote: | hmm... not sure i can, actually. i'm very interested in getting this | working, and i'll provide guidance and help, of course, but i expect | i'll be pretty busy focusing on member management and general cmf 2.X | related stuff, t

[Framework-Team] Re: 3.0 shouldn't just be about the user facing UI

2006-03-13 Thread Martin Aspeli
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:18:20 -, whit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: just to piggy back a bit on this: I think one consideration that needs to be made is how much you guys want to start pursuing new style development. By the time Plone 3 ships, CMF 2.0 will have full customization of views(th

[Framework-Team] Re: 3.0 shouldn't just be about the user facing UI

2006-03-13 Thread Martin Aspeli
If we move to a meld like solution we may well end up having nobody who wants to work on presentation logic. I certainly have no interest in using python to manipulate an XML tree in order to do the equivalent of a tal:repeat. Yep. This is basically why I think Meld is a slightly dangerou

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIP wishlists towards 3.0

2006-03-13 Thread Rob Miller
On Mar 13, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 12:03:52PM -0800, Rob Miller wrote: | hmm... not sure i can, actually. i'm very interested in getting this | working, and i'll provide guidance and help, of course, but i expect | i'll be pretty busy focusing on mem

[Framework-Team] Re: Re: PLIP wishlists towards 3.0

2006-03-13 Thread Martin Aspeli
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:03:52 -, Rob Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes. I'm hoping Rob Miller will champion this, since he seems to be leading the effort around GenericSetup and was talking about the benefits of it for migrations. Marshall, xmlio, GenericSetup, ArcheCSV ... there nee

[Framework-Team] Re: Re: PLIP wishlists towards 3.0

2006-03-13 Thread Martin Aspeli
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:21:42 -, Sidnei da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The advice I can provide here is that any framework that doesn't use Archetypes marshallers is a waste of effort. 'Marshall' the product just enables to multiplex Archetypes 'marshall' by moving policy about what m

[Framework-Team] Re: PLIP wishlists towards 3.0

2006-03-13 Thread Martin Aspeli
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:51:38 -, Rocky Burt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 2006-13-03 at 18:13 +, Martin Aspeli wrote: Agree. That said, PlonePortlets are about more than that - they make portlets into proper content types that can be workflowed, and have permissions for things