Re: [Framework-Team] Re: proposed plone 3.1 timeframe

2007-11-23 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On Nov 23, 2007, at 12:28 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: we would need to know/decide there will be a 3.2 first, imho :) I want to do a 3.2. +1 same here — i didn't want to sound like i wouldn't. it just felt like we hadn't ultimately decided on that yet. andi -- zeidler it consulting - ht

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: proposed plone 3.1 timeframe

2007-11-23 Thread Martin Aspeli
On Nov 23, 2007 11:24 AM, Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Previously Andreas Zeidler wrote: > > On Nov 23, 2007, at 9:35 AM, Raphael Ritz wrote: > > >So I would be fine with adding 1 or even 2 weeks to his proposed > > >schedule (not more!) but I could also live with his original > >

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: proposed plone 3.1 timeframe

2007-11-23 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Andreas Zeidler wrote: > On Nov 23, 2007, at 9:35 AM, Raphael Ritz wrote: > >So I would be fine with adding 1 or even 2 weeks to his proposed > >schedule (not more!) but I could also live with his original > >proposal. > > i'll have about two or three days between christmas and january

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: proposed plone 3.1 timeframe

2007-11-23 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On Nov 23, 2007, at 9:35 AM, Raphael Ritz wrote: So I would be fine with adding 1 or even 2 weeks to his proposed schedule (not more!) but I could also live with his original proposal. i'll have about two or three days between christmas and january 9th, and i'm sure there will be client work

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: proposed plone 3.1 timeframe

2007-11-23 Thread Raphael Ritz
Alexander Limi wrote: On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:59:23 -0800, Martijn Pieters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I see both sides of the coin here, Wichert is correct in insisting on shorter release cycles, Martin is correct that December is not the month to do this. I won't have much time to review bund

[Framework-Team] Re: proposed plone 3.1 timeframe

2007-11-22 Thread Alexander Limi
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:59:23 -0800, Martijn Pieters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I see both sides of the coin here, Wichert is correct in insisting on shorter release cycles, Martin is correct that December is not the month to do this. I won't have much time to review bundles over New Year for

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: proposed plone 3.1 timeframe

2007-11-22 Thread Andreas Zeidler
good morning :), On Nov 22, 2007, at 9:50 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote: Of course that's the other side of the same coin. I completely agree that we don't want that either. Hence my preference for setting shortish (mid-Jan is only 1.5 months away), but realistic deadlines based on the calendar,

[Framework-Team] Re: proposed plone 3.1 timeframe

2007-11-22 Thread Martin Aspeli
Wichert Akkerman wrote: So by now a number of you have complained that this schedule does not work very well. So I think it is time for me to mention another reason I have for setting a short deadline, even if that is not attainable for most people: at the moment almost all big development is de

[Framework-Team] Re: proposed plone 3.1 timeframe

2007-11-21 Thread Balazs Ree
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:45:36 +, Martin Aspeli wrote: > Wichert Akkerman wrote: >> I think it is much more important to do a time-based released then a >> feature-based release. If we do the letter we will end up waiting >> months before things are ready and we will end up with a 3.1 in june >>

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: proposed plone 3.1 timeframe

2007-11-21 Thread Tom Lazar
from following martin's and wichert's thread so far, i'd like to pick up the idea of doing a 3.1 and 3.2 release in relative quick succession by the same framework team. in effect, we would be splitting up what is currently envisioned as 3.1 into two separate releases. this would enable us

[Framework-Team] Re: proposed plone 3.1 timeframe

2007-11-21 Thread Martin Aspeli
Wichert Akkerman wrote: I think it is much more important to do a time-based released then a feature-based release. If we do the letter we will end up waiting months before things are ready and we will end up with a 3.1 in june and 4.0 in 2009. Oh, I agree (at least for 3.x releases - for 4.x I

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: proposed plone 3.1 timeframe

2007-11-21 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Martin Aspeli wrote: > Wichert Akkerman wrote: > >Now that we have a new framework team it is time to start planning the > >3.1 release. 3.1 is intended to be a low-risk upgrade which can follow > >the 3.0 release quickly. The release cycle has to be short so we can > >get things out to

[Framework-Team] Re: proposed plone 3.1 timeframe

2007-11-21 Thread Martin Aspeli
Wichert Akkerman wrote: Now that we have a new framework team it is time to start planning the 3.1 release. 3.1 is intended to be a low-risk upgrade which can follow the 3.0 release quickly. The release cycle has to be short so we can get things out to people. Here is my proposal: - all proposed