[Frameworks] Forwarded from Massart Faculty

[Deana LeBlanc]

Emotion vs. reason? His live video got us PUMPED and struck a cord- we who
were watching were cheering, (crying a bit admittedly). Even had musicians
riding along to its It speaks to something bigger and is effectively
cathartic- the performance, the storytelling, while also being a testimony
of information. Two things going on at once, important to distinguish. But
this also makes sense- the statement from Mass Art Faculty- glad to hear
from them.



On Wednesday, April 11, 2018, Ed Halter  wrote:

> Hey Frameworks
>
> Felt I should share this announcement that was forwarded to me from the
> Massart faculty.
>
> 
>
>
> TO THE MASSART COMMUNITY:
>
> The faculty and staff of the Film/Video department demand that Professor
> Saul Levine stop his
> lies about recent events at Mass Art and his cyber-bullying against his
> colleagues.
>
> It is because of Professor Levine’s very public attacks and
> misrepresentations that we feel
> obliged to correct his version of the complaints against him.
>
> He has bullied his colleagues and created an abusive working environment
> over many years.
>
> He has derailed and destroyed important discussions about urgent
> departmental and curricular
> issues.
>
> This is NOT an issue of academic freedom. No one at Mass Art made any
> effort to censor or
> punish Professor Levine for screening his film or any other film he has
> shown over the years.
> No one forced him to retire.The decision to retire is entirely Professor
> Levine’s.
>
> We recognize Professor Levine as a brilliant artist and programmer and are
> thankful for his
> contributions to the department and to Massart.It is extremely painful to
> see his toxic rant
> against the department, besmearing the College and insulting us by name
> while claiming
> himself as the victim.
>
> As artists, teachers and mentors, it is our responsibility to stand up
> when we are bullied and to
> treat each other with respect. It is also our duty to foster an open,
> respectful, and collegial
> environment for our students.
>
> Soon-Mi Yoo, Chair
> Ericka Beckman, Professor
> Gretchen Skogerson, Professor
> Joe Briganti, Studio Manager, Video Area
> Kim Keown, Studio Manager, Film Area
>
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Re: [Frameworks] Forwarded from Massart Faculty

[Fred Camper]

It is very easy for us to judge others. We can sit alone type almost 
anything we like, and theorize as we please. But how difficult is a 
particular person to deal with? We cannot know without having been 
there. I once taught with someone who was so off the rails, and not in 
very interesting ways, that he was just about impossible to deal with, 
and most agreed. Maybe someone could have dealt with him successfully, 
but most could not.


Gross incompetence is a pretty serious charge. Why is one person right 
and the other five wrong?


If it is true, as those five state, that Saul has completely 
misrepresented what happened (and I am not saying that it is true), then 
he has behaved unprofessionally, and actually, with gross incompetence.


Or, have you not read this whole thread? Did you notice all of Scott 
MacDonald's comments? One of the worst things about this list is people 
running off at the mouth in threads that they have not read all of, and 
thereby making false accusations against others on our very own list, as 
recently happened to me. (When I asked for a correction, the person who 
made the misstatement replied that she was much too busy to get further 
involved.) The extreme disregard of facts in our broken political 
culture sometimes has faint echoes here.


Fred Camper
Chicago


On 4/11/2018 9:33 PM, Salah Hassanpour wrote:


Isn’t this a tacit admission of that faculty’s gross incompetency as 
far as failing to exhaust appropriate ways to deal with these 
situations before allowing them to escalate to the point where 
compelling what ought to have been an emeritus faculty out of their 
job is deemed the proper course of affairs?


Salah Hassanpour

*From: *Fred Camper 
*Sent: *April 11, 2018 22:28
*To: *Experimental Film Discussion List 


*Subject: *Re: [Frameworks] Forwarded from Massart Faculty

Yes. Wow is right. I was the first to express sympathy, and anger that a

film showing to a class could have been an issue. But perhaps that was a

false narrative?

I do not need to take sides here, just note that there are often two

sides, and we should not have jumped to conclusions from one story, even

if from an artist we respect. We know that sometimes, experimental

filmmakers can, um, be difficult. I would like to think that art schools

should accommodate some degree of difficulty from their artists, but

there are also limits.

There was a time decades ago when I was unemployed, broke, and

spiraling downward. A filmmaker who I greatly respect (and I know many

on this list also do) wanted to me apply for an untenured, full-time

position as department chair in the university where he taught. As he

described it, the other members of the film department, all tenured, had

been fighting to the point where they were no longer speaking to each

other. The chair job involved talking about diverse issues with all four

of them and then making decisions. I knew and respected the work of two

of the other three. But the very fact of this situation, and the search

for a chair with this particular job description, boggles the mind, and

I felt a stunning lack of respect for the person they were seeking to

hire, whose continued employment as untentured faculty would depend upon

their votes. I suspected that after a few years of this I would have

been forced to retire to the rubber room -- and might never have emerged.

Most of us have passionate beliefs about aesthetic and related matters.

It takes temperance and skill to argue them from the full depths of our

passions while still letting the people we are arguing with feel

acknowledged and respected. I know that at this I have often failed.

Fred Camper

Chicago

On 4/11/2018 8:54 PM, Jon Behrens wrote:

> wow

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 4:28 PM, Ed Halter  wrote:

>>

>> Hey Frameworks

>>

>> Felt I should share this announcement that was forwarded to me from 
the Massart faculty.


>>

>> 

>>

>>

>> TO THE MASSART COMMUNITY:

>>

>> The faculty and staff of the Film/Video department demand that 
Professor Saul Levine stop his


>> lies about recent events at Mass Art and his cyber-bullying against 
his colleagues.


>>

>> It is because of Professor Levine’s very public attacks and 
misrepresentations that we feel


>> obliged to correct his version of the complaints against him.

>>

>> He has bullied his colleagues and created an abusive working 
environment over many years.


>>

>> He has derailed and destroyed important discussions about urgent 
departmental and curricular


>> issues.

>>

>> This is NOT an issue of academic freedom. No one at Mass Art made 
any effort to censor or


>> punish Professor Levine for screening his film or any other film he 
has shown over the years.


>> No one forced him to retire.The decision to retire is entirely 
Professor Levine’s.


>>

>> We recognize 

Re: [Frameworks] Forwarded from Massart Faculty

[Salah Hassanpour]

Isn’t this a tacit admission of that faculty’s gross incompetency as far as 
failing to exhaust appropriate ways to deal with these situations before 
allowing them to escalate to the point where compelling what ought to have been 
an emeritus faculty out of their job is deemed the proper course of affairs?

Salah Hassanpour

From: Fred Camper
Sent: April 11, 2018 22:28
To: Experimental Film Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Forwarded from Massart Faculty

Yes. Wow is right. I was the first to express sympathy, and anger that a 
film showing to a class could have been an issue. But perhaps that was a 
false narrative?

I do not need to take sides here, just note that there are often two 
sides, and we should not have jumped to conclusions from one story, even 
if from an artist we respect. We know that sometimes, experimental 
filmmakers can, um, be difficult. I would like to think that art schools 
should accommodate some degree of difficulty from their artists, but 
there are also limits.

There was a time decades ago when I was  unemployed, broke, and 
spiraling downward. A filmmaker who I greatly respect (and I know many 
on this list also do) wanted to me apply for an untenured, full-time 
position as department chair in the university where he taught. As he 
described it, the other members of the film department, all tenured, had 
been fighting to the point where they were no longer speaking to each 
other. The chair job involved talking about diverse issues with all four 
of them and then making decisions. I knew and respected the work of two 
of the other three. But the very fact of this situation, and the search 
for a chair with this particular job description, boggles the mind, and 
I felt a stunning lack of respect for the person they were seeking to 
hire, whose continued employment as untentured faculty would depend upon 
their votes. I suspected that after a few years of this I would have 
been forced to retire to the rubber room -- and might never have emerged.

Most of us have passionate beliefs about aesthetic and related matters. 
It takes temperance and skill to argue them from the full depths of our 
passions while still letting the people we are arguing with feel 
acknowledged and respected. I know that at this I have often failed.

Fred Camper
Chicago

On 4/11/2018 8:54 PM, Jon Behrens wrote:
> wow
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 4:28 PM, Ed Halter  wrote:
>>
>> Hey Frameworks
>>
>> Felt I should share this announcement that was forwarded to me from the 
>> Massart faculty.
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> TO THE MASSART COMMUNITY:
>>
>> The faculty and staff of the Film/Video department demand that Professor 
>> Saul Levine stop his
>> lies about recent events at Mass Art and his cyber-bullying against his 
>> colleagues.
>>
>> It is because of Professor Levine’s very public attacks and 
>> misrepresentations that we feel
>> obliged to correct his version of the complaints against him.
>>
>> He has bullied his colleagues and created an abusive working environment 
>> over many years.
>>
>> He has derailed and destroyed important discussions about urgent 
>> departmental and curricular
>> issues.
>>
>> This is NOT an issue of academic freedom. No one at Mass Art made any effort 
>> to censor or
>> punish Professor Levine for screening his film or any other film he has 
>> shown over the years.
>> No one forced him to retire.The decision to retire is entirely Professor 
>> Levine’s.
>>
>> We recognize Professor Levine as a brilliant artist and programmer and are 
>> thankful for his
>> contributions to the department and to Massart.It is extremely painful to 
>> see his toxic rant
>> against the department, besmearing the College and insulting us by name 
>> while claiming
>> himself as the victim.
>>
>> As artists, teachers and mentors, it is our responsibility to stand up when 
>> we are bullied and to
>> treat each other with respect. It is also our duty to foster an open, 
>> respectful, and collegial
>> environment for our students.
>>
>> Soon-Mi Yoo, Chair
>> Ericka Beckman, Professor
>> Gretchen Skogerson, Professor
>> Joe Briganti, Studio Manager, Video Area
>> Kim Keown, Studio Manager, Film Area
>> ___
>> FrameWorks mailing list
>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com
>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Re: [Frameworks] Forwarded from Massart Faculty

[Fred Camper]

Yes. Wow is right. I was the first to express sympathy, and anger that a 
film showing to a class could have been an issue. But perhaps that was a 
false narrative?


I do not need to take sides here, just note that there are often two 
sides, and we should not have jumped to conclusions from one story, even 
if from an artist we respect. We know that sometimes, experimental 
filmmakers can, um, be difficult. I would like to think that art schools 
should accommodate some degree of difficulty from their artists, but 
there are also limits.


There was a time decades ago when I was  unemployed, broke, and 
spiraling downward. A filmmaker who I greatly respect (and I know many 
on this list also do) wanted to me apply for an untenured, full-time 
position as department chair in the university where he taught. As he 
described it, the other members of the film department, all tenured, had 
been fighting to the point where they were no longer speaking to each 
other. The chair job involved talking about diverse issues with all four 
of them and then making decisions. I knew and respected the work of two 
of the other three. But the very fact of this situation, and the search 
for a chair with this particular job description, boggles the mind, and 
I felt a stunning lack of respect for the person they were seeking to 
hire, whose continued employment as untentured faculty would depend upon 
their votes. I suspected that after a few years of this I would have 
been forced to retire to the rubber room -- and might never have emerged.


Most of us have passionate beliefs about aesthetic and related matters. 
It takes temperance and skill to argue them from the full depths of our 
passions while still letting the people we are arguing with feel 
acknowledged and respected. I know that at this I have often failed.


Fred Camper
Chicago

On 4/11/2018 8:54 PM, Jon Behrens wrote:

wow

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 11, 2018, at 4:28 PM, Ed Halter  wrote:

Hey Frameworks

Felt I should share this announcement that was forwarded to me from the Massart 
faculty.




TO THE MASSART COMMUNITY:

The faculty and staff of the Film/Video department demand that Professor Saul 
Levine stop his
lies about recent events at Mass Art and his cyber-bullying against his 
colleagues.

It is because of Professor Levine’s very public attacks and misrepresentations 
that we feel
obliged to correct his version of the complaints against him.

He has bullied his colleagues and created an abusive working environment over 
many years.

He has derailed and destroyed important discussions about urgent departmental 
and curricular
issues.

This is NOT an issue of academic freedom. No one at Mass Art made any effort to 
censor or
punish Professor Levine for screening his film or any other film he has shown 
over the years.
No one forced him to retire.The decision to retire is entirely Professor 
Levine’s.

We recognize Professor Levine as a brilliant artist and programmer and are 
thankful for his
contributions to the department and to Massart.It is extremely painful to see 
his toxic rant
against the department, besmearing the College and insulting us by name while 
claiming
himself as the victim.

As artists, teachers and mentors, it is our responsibility to stand up when we 
are bullied and to
treat each other with respect. It is also our duty to foster an open, 
respectful, and collegial
environment for our students.

Soon-Mi Yoo, Chair
Ericka Beckman, Professor
Gretchen Skogerson, Professor
Joe Briganti, Studio Manager, Video Area
Kim Keown, Studio Manager, Film Area
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Re: [Frameworks] Forwarded from Massart Faculty

[Jon Behrens]

wow 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 4:28 PM, Ed Halter  wrote:
> 
> Hey Frameworks
> 
> Felt I should share this announcement that was forwarded to me from the 
> Massart faculty.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> TO THE MASSART COMMUNITY:
> 
> The faculty and staff of the Film/Video department demand that Professor Saul 
> Levine stop his
> lies about recent events at Mass Art and his cyber-bullying against his 
> colleagues.
> 
> It is because of Professor Levine’s very public attacks and 
> misrepresentations that we feel
> obliged to correct his version of the complaints against him.
> 
> He has bullied his colleagues and created an abusive working environment over 
> many years.
> 
> He has derailed and destroyed important discussions about urgent departmental 
> and curricular
> issues.
> 
> This is NOT an issue of academic freedom. No one at Mass Art made any effort 
> to censor or
> punish Professor Levine for screening his film or any other film he has shown 
> over the years.
> No one forced him to retire.The decision to retire is entirely Professor 
> Levine’s.
> 
> We recognize Professor Levine as a brilliant artist and programmer and are 
> thankful for his
> contributions to the department and to Massart.It is extremely painful to see 
> his toxic rant
> against the department, besmearing the College and insulting us by name while 
> claiming
> himself as the victim.
> 
> As artists, teachers and mentors, it is our responsibility to stand up when 
> we are bullied and to
> treat each other with respect. It is also our duty to foster an open, 
> respectful, and collegial
> environment for our students.
> 
> Soon-Mi Yoo, Chair
> Ericka Beckman, Professor
> Gretchen Skogerson, Professor
> Joe Briganti, Studio Manager, Video Area
> Kim Keown, Studio Manager, Film Area
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[Frameworks] Forwarded from Massart Faculty

[Ed Halter]

Hey Frameworks

Felt I should share this announcement that was forwarded to me from the
Massart faculty.




TO THE MASSART COMMUNITY:

The faculty and staff of the Film/Video department demand that Professor
Saul Levine stop his
lies about recent events at Mass Art and his cyber-bullying against his
colleagues.

It is because of Professor Levine’s very public attacks and
misrepresentations that we feel
obliged to correct his version of the complaints against him.

He has bullied his colleagues and created an abusive working environment
over many years.

He has derailed and destroyed important discussions about urgent
departmental and curricular
issues.

This is NOT an issue of academic freedom. No one at Mass Art made any
effort to censor or
punish Professor Levine for screening his film or any other film he has
shown over the years.
No one forced him to retire.The decision to retire is entirely Professor
Levine’s.

We recognize Professor Levine as a brilliant artist and programmer and are
thankful for his
contributions to the department and to Massart.It is extremely painful to
see his toxic rant
against the department, besmearing the College and insulting us by name
while claiming
himself as the victim.

As artists, teachers and mentors, it is our responsibility to stand up when
we are bullied and to
treat each other with respect. It is also our duty to foster an open,
respectful, and collegial
environment for our students.

Soon-Mi Yoo, Chair
Ericka Beckman, Professor
Gretchen Skogerson, Professor
Joe Briganti, Studio Manager, Video Area
Kim Keown, Studio Manager, Film Area
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Re: [Frameworks] Developing Tanks for 16mm

[lindsay mcintyre]

Just in defence of the Morse G3 tank, I have several of these and I did all
my black and white neg processing in these tanks for many years and always
got beautiful results.  They're not as good for reversal processes,
particularly if you are using permanganate bleach (even with the little
exposure window) but for negative work they are great.  The process
involves winding back and forth to achieve even processing and takes longer
than say bucket processing, which is what I do now, but the G3 tanks have
always worked well for me. I think depending on your developer, it can be
about 12 minutes of winding.

Lindsay


On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Scott Dorsey  wrote:

> I'm saying the results will be so uneven that you'll have long sections
> that aren't developed at all.  A five-gallon bucket will do garbage can
> development of 100 ft of 16mm well enough that, although it'll be severely
> uneven, it'll at least be developed all the way through.  Folks used to
> do motion analysis films that way.
> --scott
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