Re: [Frameworks] Dizziness and Disorientation
Hi Ruth and Leo, and everyone else, I would say that any kind of flicker film has something to do with dizziness and disorientation (The Flicker, Epileptic Seizure Comparison, etc.). Anyway, I think that the best examples of that kind of practices in art are installations like the ones by Kurt Hentschlager, specially Zee, or Intersection by Don Ritter. Maybe some structural films also, like Serene Velocity by Ernie Gehr, some of the films by Peter Tscherkassky (Outer Space) and Jordan Belson (Allures)… Best wishes. (Ø) _ _blank www.null66913.net www.mediateletipos.net ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Single-shot fixed camera landscape/cityscape films
Hi, I’m looking for single-shot fixed camera landscape/cityscape films, as “Empire” by Andy Warhol or “Fog Line” by Larry Gottheim. When I say “landscape/cityscape” I mean it in the broadest sense of the term, I’m interested in all kinds of landscapes/cityscapes, with or without human figures. Any suggestions? Thank you! Blanca (Ø) _ _blank www.null66913.net www.mediateletipos.net ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound – Structural film
I’m really interested on that topic also, but I’m sure that you know more films than me. Lately I found this, but you probably know all these films… http://otherfilm.org/optical-sound/ http://otherfilm.org/optical-sound/ A couple of weeks ago I spend one afternoon looking for optical sound films at vimeo and I found several interesting pieces, but most of them are from the 80s, 90s or even more recent. (Ø) _ _blank www.null66913.net www.mediateletipos.net De: Albert Alcoz albertalc...@yahoo.es mailto:albertalc...@yahoo.es Para: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Fecha: 11 de febrero de 2015, 9:46:09 CET Responder a: Albert Alcoz albertalc...@yahoo.es mailto:albertalc...@yahoo.es Asunto: [Frameworks] Optical sound – Structural film Hello, Does anybody know structural or structural-materialist or minimal/abstract films from the sixties or seventies where the sound of the film comes directly from the graphic treatment on the optical sound area of the celluloid? Kurt Kren drew a line with ink in his film Trees of Autumn (1960) and Guy Sherwin shot pictures on the variable area of the soundtrack. Those films were collected on the Optical Sound Films (1971-2007) DVD. I thought the soundtrack of Roh Film (1968) by Birgit Wilhelm Hein was done directly from the collage materials attached on the surface of the emulsion but it is not. It was done afterwards, as an autonomous noise piece by Christian Michelis. I'm thinking about films like Dynamo Dresden (1971) by Lis Rhodes or Soundtrack (1969) by Barry Spinello, but they are more abstract animation pieces following the visual music tradition than the structural or systemic patterns. Any suggestion will be appreciated. Thank you very much, Albert Alcoz -- http://visionaryfilm.net/ http://www.visionaryfilm.net/ http://albertalcoz.com/ http://www.albertalcoz.com/ De: Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com mailto:framewo...@re-voir.com Para: Albert Alcoz albertalc...@yahoo.es mailto:albertalc...@yahoo.es, Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Fecha: 11 de febrero de 2015, 11:31:45 CET Asunto: Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film There's Ten Drawings by Steve Farrer (1976) http://lightcone.org/fr/film-477-10-drawings http://lightcone.org/fr/film-477-10-drawings At 8:46 + 11/02/15, Albert Alcoz wrote: Does anybody know structural or structural-materialist or minimal/abstract films from the sixties or seventies where the sound of the film comes directly from the graphic treatment on the optical sound area of the celluloid? De: Peter Mudie peter.mu...@uwa.edu.au mailto:peter.mu...@uwa.edu.au Para: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Fecha: 11 de febrero de 2015, 12:02:09 CET Asunto: Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film Rarely discussed, but a fantastic film – one of the best from the LFMC. Peter (Perth) From: Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com mailto:framewo...@re-voir.com Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Wednesday, 11 February 2015 6:31 pm To: Albert Alcoz albertalc...@yahoo.es mailto:albertalc...@yahoo.es, Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical sound - Structural film There's Ten Drawings by Steve Farrer (1976) http://lightcone.org/fr/film-477-10-drawings http://lightcone.org/fr/film-477-10-drawings At 8:46 + 11/02/15, Albert Alcoz wrote: Does anybody know structural or structural-materialist or minimal/abstract films from the sixties or seventies where the sound of the film comes directly from the graphic treatment on the optical sound area of the celluloid? ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 3 sound works
I really like Yasuano Tone, I listen to his albums a lot, and I’ve seen him live a couple of times, so that’s not much of a dare :) Best, Blanca (Ø) _ _blank www.null66913.net www.mediateletipos.net -- Forwarded message -- From: Bernard Roddy rodd...@yahoo.com mailto:rodd...@yahoo.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Cc: Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 09:42:26 -0500 Subject: [Frameworks] 3 sound works Did I mention the course in which I included a section on sound? Three works I played: Tony Conrad with Faust, Outside the Dream Syndicate Alvin Lucier, Music for Solo Performer Yasunao Tone, Musica Iconologos I dare anyone on this list to play Tone for more than 5 minutes! Bernie ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Night films
Hi Esperanza, I have one work that was shot at night, and it’s mainly about the limits of visibility and perception. It was shot using a digital photo camera and the image is not processed in any sense, it’s the raw video recording without any kind of special camera techniques, effects, colours correction, etc. (By the way, the sound is not the original sound of the recording, obviously, it was created saving all the frames as sound, so what you hear is the same that what you see). https://vimeo.com/121534631 https://vimeo.com/121534631 password: tormenta5k Best, Blanca (Ø) _ _blank www.null66913.net www.mediateletipos.net On Tue, May 12, 2015, at 07:49 PM, Esperanza Collado wrote: Dear frameworkers, A friend is preparing a film in which she will work in the limits of visibility, in the night, trying to force perception. Would you please recommend experimental film references apart from Liotta, Dorsky, Dwoskin? It would be interesting to get references of films and videos in which there is no use of special camera techniques such as time-lapse or night-shot. Many thanks! -- Esperanza Collado - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.esperanzacollado.org http://www.esperanzacollado.org/ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Musical Noir?
Hi Shashwati, The first thing that comes to my mind is Tokyo Drifter (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061101/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061101/), which I’d described as neonoir. There’s a scene in which the protagonist sings a song in a manner that is very related to musical films, but it’s not a musical film. Regards, Blanca Rego (Ø) _ _blank www.null66913.net www.mediateletipos.net De: Shashwati Talukdar m...@shashwati.com Para: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Fecha: 19 de junio de 2015, 5:10:34 CEST Asunto: [Frameworks] Musical Noir? I am looking for examples of the use of music and songs in films that can be described as noir. Where music plays an integral role in moving the film along. Mainstream examples also welcome. -- regards, Shashwati Talukdar 夏雪莉 --- https://www.facebook.com/fournineandahalf http://vimeo.com/shashwati https://www.linkedin.com/profile/preview?vpa=publocale=en_US https://twitter.com/cinedevi http://fournineandahalf.com/ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Image data to sound data
Hi everybody, Some days ago I performed an experiment that maybe some of you find interesting. I’m obsessed with the relationship between image and sound and I saved all frames from a silent abstract movie (Opus IV by Walter Ruttmann) as sound files. The result is this https://vimeo.com/130891108 https://vimeo.com/130891108 What you see and what you hear are exactly the same files, I just saved all the jpg frames as aiff. I’ve being doing this kind of experiments for a while (saving image files as sound files and vice versa), but never using material from other people or classic experimental films. I think that the result is curious because this kind of abstract films are really similar to the digital images used today in certain types of electronic music (giltch, minimal, noise, etc.) that are very related to the type of sound obtained from this data bending experiments. Regards, Blanca Rego (Ø) _ _blank www.null66913.net www.mediateletipos.net___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Image data to sound data
Nicky, I’ve seen Lis Rhodes Light Music, yes :) In fact, when I started doing these experiments it was because I was looking for digital techniques inspired, or akin to, optical sound. As Francisco, says, it reminds to something Ruttmann did with optical sound. The idea is the same, but maybe the most curious thing is that the obtained sounds are similar to the ones generated using optical sound. (Ø) _ _blank www.null66913.net www.mediateletipos.net De: Francisco Torres fjtorre...@gmail.com mailto:fjtorre...@gmail.com Para: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Fecha: 19 de junio de 2015, 17:15:28 CEST Asunto: Re: [Frameworks] Image data to sound data Reminds of something Ruttman did with optical sound http://sfsound.org/tape/ruttmann.html http://sfsound.org/tape/ruttmann.html 2015-06-19 9:24 GMT-04:00 _blank bl...@null66913.net mailto:bl...@null66913.net: Hi everybody, Some days ago I performed an experiment that maybe some of you find interesting. I’m obsessed with the relationship between image and sound and I saved all frames from a silent abstract movie (Opus IV by Walter Ruttmann) as sound files. The result is this https://vimeo.com/130891108 https://vimeo.com/130891108 What you see and what you hear are exactly the same files, I just saved all the jpg frames as aiff. I’ve being doing this kind of experiments for a while (saving image files as sound files and vice versa), but never using material from other people or classic experimental films. I think that the result is curious because this kind of abstract films are really similar to the digital images used today in certain types of electronic music (giltch, minimal, noise, etc.) that are very related to the type of sound obtained from this data bending experiments. Regards, Blanca Rego (Ø) _ _blank www.null66913.net http://www.null66913.net/ www.mediateletipos.net http://www.mediateletipos.net/ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks De: nicky.ham...@talktalk.net mailto:nicky.ham...@talktalk.net Para: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Fecha: 19 de junio de 2015, 18:44:04 CEST Asunto: Re: [Frameworks] Image data to sound data Have you seen Lis Rhodes' film Light Music (1975)? Nicky. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Translation of «Piétage» and «Piéteuse»
Hi Esperanza, I’ve worked with film and I’m a translator. It’s “pietaje”, as Pablo said. In regards to the machine, I’ve heard a couple of times the word “pietadora”, but I’m not sure if people who works at film labs use that word. Cheers, Blanca (Ø) _ _blank www.null66913.net @null66913 > El 25/3/2017, a las 13:00, frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com escribió: > > De: Esperanza Collado <esperanzacolla...@gmail.com > <mailto:esperanzacolla...@gmail.com>> > Asunto: [Frameworks] Translation of «Piétage» and «Piéteuse» > Fecha: 25 de marzo de 2017, 11:30:57 CET > Para: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com > <mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>> > > > Hi FrameWorkers, > > Could any of you help me with the translation of these French terms please? > Even if you don't know French, by the description some of you may know what > I'm referring to. > > I actually need to translate these two terms into Spanish, but I am so lost, > even an English translation would do for a start. > > These are the terms: > > • Piétage («piétage de la pellicule») — (it refers to white numbers written > with a «piéteuse» machine on the image and on the sound strips at the same > time, in order to get them synchronized I guess. This operation is done with > a special machine called «pieteuse») — > > • Piéteuse (the machine) — > > Fingers crossed there's someone out there who knows these words. > > Cheers, > > Esperanza. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
