Re: [Frameworks] Resources on history of 16mm technology

2016-07-14 Thread Kim Knowles
works] Resources on history of 16mm technology > On Jul 14, 2016, at 12:01 AM, Dave Tetzlaff wrote: > > "Craft services is for wussies." And I said, guys, the market that needs > reversal, and you need for reversal, and that BW reversal stocks that were > doesn't even k

Re: [Frameworks] Resources on history of 16mm technology

2016-07-13 Thread Jeff Kreines
> On Jul 14, 2016, at 12:01 AM, Dave Tetzlaff wrote: > > "Craft services is for wussies." And I said, guys, the market that needs > reversal, and you need for reversal, and that BW reversal stocks that were > doesn't even know what 'craft services' means… I still don’t know… Kodak has alway

Re: [Frameworks] Resources on history of 16mm technology

2016-07-13 Thread Dave Tetzlaff
> the vast majority of artists working in 16mm from the '40s through the '60s > did in fact use Kodachrome and Ektachrome. Color negative didn't even exist > in 16mm until 1964, and very few "experimental filmmakers" used it much until > the later '70s or even early '80s. 'Amateur' making was a

Re: [Frameworks] Resources on history of 16mm technology

2016-07-13 Thread Jeff Kreines
For those overly interested in lab history in the late 70s, I just stumbled onto this: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=7242420 Only geeks need apply. > On Jul 13, 2016, at 6:55 PM, Jeff Kreines wrote: > > Color negative in 16mm was used in Europe, especially the UK, be

Re: [Frameworks] Resources on history of 16mm technology

2016-07-13 Thread Scott Dorsey
> Oh, those are so sad to look at now???. The price lists or the surf movies? Nothing like a Bolex attached to a 6-foot PVC plumbing pipe with an Aero-Ektar at the end for that razor-sharp look --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasm

Re: [Frameworks] Resources on history of 16mm technology

2016-07-13 Thread Jeff Kreines
> On Jul 13, 2016, at 7:19 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: > > don't remember the silver bubble having a huge effect on film stocks > other than the prices… The prices went up 100% and only dropped 50% after the bubble burst. Lower silver content happened later — but when I look at older B&W reversal

Re: [Frameworks] Resources on history of 16mm technology

2016-07-13 Thread Jeff Kreines
> On Jul 13, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: > > You could save some money by getting B&W workprints > of your color original, but shooting reversal allowed you to edit the > camera original directly without having to go back and conform. Or you could do what we did — “cull” your origin

Re: [Frameworks] Resources on history of 16mm technology

2016-07-13 Thread Scott Dorsey
I don't remember the silver bubble having a huge effect on film stocks other than the prices... but I do remember that Kodabromide, a wonderful printing paper with a lovely grey scale and deep blacks, along with shadow detail that you could fall into... dropped off the Kodak catalogue because it wa

Re: [Frameworks] Resources on history of 16mm technology

2016-07-13 Thread Scott Dorsey
Anscochrome was Agfachrome in disguise. What with the war and all, the German parent split their US division apart and Ansco was what was left in the US. They stuck around for a good while. Agfa themselves was making their ball-and-chain-dye coupler film in Germany well into the 1980s and some f

Re: [Frameworks] Resources on history of 16mm technology

2016-07-13 Thread Jeff Kreines
Color negative in 16mm was used in Europe, especially the UK, before it caught on in the US. The stock from 1968 - 1973 — 7254/5254, the last of the ECN-1 stocks, was quite lovely. Kodak replaced it with the hideous 7247/5247, and really pushed 16mm “producers” to switch to it because it was m

Re: [Frameworks] Resources on history of 16mm technology

2016-07-13 Thread Mark Toscano
My one counter to David's comments (if I'm reading you right) would be that the vast majority of artists working in 16mm from the '40s through the '60s did in fact use Kodachrome and Ektachrome, among other stocks. Color negative didn't even exist in 16mm until 1964, and very few "experimental fil

Re: [Frameworks] Resources on history of 16mm technology

2016-07-13 Thread Albert Alcoz
"Independent filmmaking" by Lenny Lipton could be a good reference: https://www.amazon.com/Independent-filmmaking-Lenny-Lipton/dp/0879320109 On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Dave Tetzlaff wrote: > > I'm writing about the use of 16mm in experimental filmmaking of the > 1970s and am looking for te

Re: [Frameworks] Resources on history of 16mm technology

2016-07-13 Thread Dave Tetzlaff
> I'm writing about the use of 16mm in experimental filmmaking of the 1970s and > am looking for texts that deal with the history of film technology, scholarly > sources that look, for example, at the emergence of 16mm as an > amateur/documentary/artists' medium. Hmm. If we distinguish 'amateu

Re: [Frameworks] Resources on history of 16mm technology

2016-07-13 Thread Dominic Angerame
The best that I have found is "A Technological History of Motion Pictures and Television" by Fielding. It begins at the beginning and ends with the cathode ray tube. Not 16mm in particular but the best book of film technology that I have seen. On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 8:11 AM, Kim Knowles wrote:

Re: [Frameworks] Resources on history of 16mm technology

2016-07-13 Thread Buck Bito - Movette
Hi Kim, I'd suggest Katelle's "Home Movies: A History of the American Industry, 1897 – 1979" and Tepperman's "Amateur Cinema: The Rise of North American Moviemaking, 1923-1960". There are also a few other titles I'm not familiar with listed on the CHM site: http://www.centerforhomemovies.org/schola

Re: [Frameworks] Resources on history of 16mm technology

2016-07-13 Thread Jesse Pires
Hi Kim, Duncan Reekie's *Subversion: The Definitive History of Underground Cinema* has a good amount of information on this subject. -Jesse On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Kim Knowles wrote: > Hi there Frameworkers, > > > I wonder if anyone can help: I'm writing about the use of 16mm in > expe

[Frameworks] Resources on history of 16mm technology

2016-07-13 Thread Kim Knowles
Hi there Frameworkers, I wonder if anyone can help: I'm writing about the use of 16mm in experimental filmmaking of the 1970s and am looking for texts that deal with the history of film technology. Not technical manuals necessarily but scholarly sources - books or articles that look, for examp