Re: [Frameworks] I can´t sleep
Sleepless Nights Stories (Jonas Mekas, 2011) ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] I can´t sleep
Here's an advocacy documentary that examines sleep deprivation by the well known cinamamtographer, Haskell Wexler: Who Needs Sleep? http://whoneedssleep.weebly.com/index.html Ahhh... the glamorous life in Hollywood. Or is it? Film crews routinely work sweatshop hours, often clocking 15 to 18 hour days at the expense of their families, their health, their well-being, and even their lives. In 1997, after a 19-hour day on the set, assistant cameraman Brent Hershman fell asleep behind the wheel, crashed his car, and died. Deeply disturbed by Hershman's preventable death, filmmaker and multiple-Oscar-winning cinematographer Haskell Wexler shows how sleep deprivation and long work hours are a lethal combination. Who Needs Sleep? is a commentary on our quality of life. Chuck Kleinhans ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Barbara Sternberg's TRANSITIONS 1982, 16mm, 11:30 Transitions” is a film of inner life and speaks of time, reality, power. It depicts the disquieting sensations of being between - between falling asleep and being awake, between here and there, between being and non-being. These metaphysical themes are evoked by the central image of a woman in white over which layers of images and sound (voices) are superimposed. available from the cfmdc: http://www.cfmdc.org/node/1446 -- i have seen the film several times and it is an absolutely incredible film! one of my favourites. lots of optical printing... images of a woman tossing and turning in tangled sheets on a bed, sitting on the edge, smoking a cigarette, other images as well, repetitive superimpositions and the sound track is filled with layers of whispers some of which emerge more than others... i seem to recall the recurring phrase "i can't go to sleep" or something like that it is such an evocative and powerful film, especially for anyone who has ever spent a night laying half awake, half asleep. adc ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Tehching Hsieh's One Year Performance 1980-1981 My favorite of his one-year performances. He punches a time clock every hour on the hour for one year. He documents the process by firing one frame of film for each time-clock punch. The object created: a time-lapse film of a man spontaneously sprouting hair and shivering (due to slightly different poses every hour) standing next to a spinning clock. A rare (and effective) study of monotonous labor. Warren On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Paul Krimmer wrote: > Hey. im programming my month's schedule called "i can't sleep". Just > wanted to know some films which come to your mind about night, walkings, > silent ones and of course and best radical work. thanks for your > head-sharing. > > best, > paul > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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In video, Bill Viola's "The Passing." Gene Youngblood (505) 424-8708 ato...@comcast.net - Original Message - From: Beverly O'Neill To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] I can´t sleep What about Bruce Conner's 5:10 to Dreamland Bev O On Nov 4, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Mark Toscano wrote: > INSOMNIA by Fred Worden > Different sizes of hole-punches in black leader. I think Fred made this during insomnia-driven late nights, but not sure. His scratch film BOULEVARD may also be relevant. And perhaps EVERYDAY BAD DREAM. > > 999 BOY by Chris Langdon > 10 minutes of 400-speed b/w footage driving in the desert at night, only headlights illuminating the landscape - the night merging with and emerging out of the grain field that makes up the film's dominant imagery. > > VENICE PIER by Gary Beydler > > HAULING TOTO BIG by Robert Nelson > Covers dream states, documented reality transformed as folklore, hypnosis, landscape wanderings, many other things... > > Many by Lewis Klahr or Janie Geiser (like THE FOURTH WATCH) Actually, Lewis's GOVINDA would be great. Late night softporn, a found student film, and a super 8 wedding. > > THE DEATH OF THE GORILLA by Peter Mays > Shot off of late-night TV, multiple passes in-camera with different color filters. Amazing stuff, you can see images at my blog, preservationinsanity.bogspot.com if you want > > IN PROGRESS by JJ Murphy and Norman Bloom > Simple and beautiful landscape studies shot over months from a fixed camera view. > > Much of Richard Myers' body of work is richly about dreams, sleep, searchings, wanderings... > > Perhaps NOCTURNE and WHAT'S OUT TONIGHT IS LOST by Phil Solomon > > Mark T > > >> >> -Original Message- >> From: frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com >> [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] >> On Behalf Of Paul Krimmer >> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:36 AM >> To: Experimental Film Discussion List >> Subject: [Frameworks] I can´t sleep >> >> Hey. im programming my month's schedule called "i can't >> sleep". Just >> wanted to know some films which come to your mind about >> night, walkings, >> silent ones and of course and best radical work. thanks for >> your >> head-sharing. >> >> best, >>paul > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Well, yes, of course, reading Mark Toscano's reply, there are all those films made at night. I saw one by Takashi Ito called GHOST. It was made in a dormitory in the company where he worked. And he wrote that he was sleeping like two hours a day because of shooting long exposures frame by frame. I highly recomend his work. SPACEY is very interesting. It uses animation techniques with photographs of a huge gym, but it seems like it was shot in the same painstaking conditions...I'm sure he didn't sleep much. And let's not forget Jeanne Liotta's OBSERVANDO EL CIELO. I am one of the unfortunate one that hasn't seen it, but the clips look really good and I am sure she didn't get much sleep while doing it. Cheers, Jorge Lorenzo > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:07:15 -0700 > From: fiddy...@yahoo.com > To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com > Subject: Re: [Frameworks] I can´t sleep > > INSOMNIA by Fred Worden > Different sizes of hole-punches in black leader. I think Fred made this > during insomnia-driven late nights, but not sure. His scratch film BOULEVARD > may also be relevant. And perhaps EVERYDAY BAD DREAM. > > 999 BOY by Chris Langdon > 10 minutes of 400-speed b/w footage driving in the desert at night, only > headlights illuminating the landscape - the night merging with and emerging > out of the grain field that makes up the film's dominant imagery. > > VENICE PIER by Gary Beydler > > HAULING TOTO BIG by Robert Nelson > Covers dream states, documented reality transformed as folklore, hypnosis, > landscape wanderings, many other things... > > Many by Lewis Klahr or Janie Geiser (like THE FOURTH WATCH) Actually, > Lewis's GOVINDA would be great. Late night softporn, a found student film, > and a super 8 wedding. > > THE DEATH OF THE GORILLA by Peter Mays > Shot off of late-night TV, multiple passes in-camera with different color > filters. Amazing stuff, you can see images at my blog, > preservationinsanity.bogspot.com if you want > > IN PROGRESS by JJ Murphy and Norman Bloom > Simple and beautiful landscape studies shot over months from a fixed camera > view. > > Much of Richard Myers' body of work is richly about dreams, sleep, > searchings, wanderings... > > Perhaps NOCTURNE and WHAT'S OUT TONIGHT IS LOST by Phil Solomon > > Mark T > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com > > [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] > > On Behalf Of Paul Krimmer > > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:36 AM > > To: Experimental Film Discussion List > > Subject: [Frameworks] I can´t sleep > > > > Hey. im programming my month's schedule called "i can't > > sleep". Just > > wanted to know some films which come to your mind about > > night, walkings, > > silent ones and of course and best radical work. thanks for > > your > > head-sharing. > > > > best, > >paul > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] I can´t sleep
What about Bruce Conner's 5:10 to Dreamland Bev O On Nov 4, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Mark Toscano wrote: > INSOMNIA by Fred Worden > Different sizes of hole-punches in black leader. I think Fred made this > during insomnia-driven late nights, but not sure. His scratch film BOULEVARD > may also be relevant. And perhaps EVERYDAY BAD DREAM. > > 999 BOY by Chris Langdon > 10 minutes of 400-speed b/w footage driving in the desert at night, only > headlights illuminating the landscape - the night merging with and emerging > out of the grain field that makes up the film's dominant imagery. > > VENICE PIER by Gary Beydler > > HAULING TOTO BIG by Robert Nelson > Covers dream states, documented reality transformed as folklore, hypnosis, > landscape wanderings, many other things... > > Many by Lewis Klahr or Janie Geiser (like THE FOURTH WATCH) Actually, > Lewis's GOVINDA would be great. Late night softporn, a found student film, > and a super 8 wedding. > > THE DEATH OF THE GORILLA by Peter Mays > Shot off of late-night TV, multiple passes in-camera with different color > filters. Amazing stuff, you can see images at my blog, > preservationinsanity.bogspot.com if you want > > IN PROGRESS by JJ Murphy and Norman Bloom > Simple and beautiful landscape studies shot over months from a fixed camera > view. > > Much of Richard Myers' body of work is richly about dreams, sleep, > searchings, wanderings... > > Perhaps NOCTURNE and WHAT'S OUT TONIGHT IS LOST by Phil Solomon > > Mark T > > >> >> -Original Message- >> From: frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com >> [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] >> On Behalf Of Paul Krimmer >> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:36 AM >> To: Experimental Film Discussion List >> Subject: [Frameworks] I can´t sleep >> >> Hey. im programming my month's schedule called "i can't >> sleep". Just >> wanted to know some films which come to your mind about >> night, walkings, >> silent ones and of course and best radical work. thanks for >> your >> head-sharing. >> >> best, >>paul > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] I can´t sleep
INSOMNIA by Fred Worden Different sizes of hole-punches in black leader. I think Fred made this during insomnia-driven late nights, but not sure. His scratch film BOULEVARD may also be relevant. And perhaps EVERYDAY BAD DREAM. 999 BOY by Chris Langdon 10 minutes of 400-speed b/w footage driving in the desert at night, only headlights illuminating the landscape - the night merging with and emerging out of the grain field that makes up the film's dominant imagery. VENICE PIER by Gary Beydler HAULING TOTO BIG by Robert Nelson Covers dream states, documented reality transformed as folklore, hypnosis, landscape wanderings, many other things... Many by Lewis Klahr or Janie Geiser (like THE FOURTH WATCH) Actually, Lewis's GOVINDA would be great. Late night softporn, a found student film, and a super 8 wedding. THE DEATH OF THE GORILLA by Peter Mays Shot off of late-night TV, multiple passes in-camera with different color filters. Amazing stuff, you can see images at my blog, preservationinsanity.bogspot.com if you want IN PROGRESS by JJ Murphy and Norman Bloom Simple and beautiful landscape studies shot over months from a fixed camera view. Much of Richard Myers' body of work is richly about dreams, sleep, searchings, wanderings... Perhaps NOCTURNE and WHAT'S OUT TONIGHT IS LOST by Phil Solomon Mark T > > -Original Message- > From: frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com > [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] > On Behalf Of Paul Krimmer > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:36 AM > To: Experimental Film Discussion List > Subject: [Frameworks] I can´t sleep > > Hey. im programming my month's schedule called "i can't > sleep". Just > wanted to know some films which come to your mind about > night, walkings, > silent ones and of course and best radical work. thanks for > your > head-sharing. > > best, > paul ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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There are two good docos about call centers in India, where the workers keep odd night schedules: Sonali Gulati: Nalini by Day, Nancy by Night Ashim Ahluwalia: John and Jane Very different in style and POV, so not redundant. Also, the guy whose rampage is the subject of the excellent doc "Cul De Sac" by the late Garrett Scott was a laid off late shift worker with insomnia. Some of the interview footage in this film is poorly shot, but don't let the odd look put you off. Overall, it's edited very well, very smart, and remains powerful, disturbing and extraordinarily topical. Highly recommended On Nov 4, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Paul Krimmer wrote: > Hey. im programming my month's schedule called "i can't sleep". Just > wanted to know some films which come to your mind about night, walkings, > silent ones and of course and best radical work. thanks for your > head-sharing. > > best, > paul > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Possibly that sequence from Bunuel's "The Phantom of Liberty" where one of the main protagonist's sleep is constantly being interrupted by everything from wandering ostriches to postmen delivering letters in the bedroom... Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Ironically, Warhol's SLEEP. In that line, I would also add Gunvor Nelson's TIME BEING which is more about the ultimate night we are all headed towards: death. And I guess Warhol's is too. Best, Jorge L. > From: jmh...@pomona.edu > To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 13:52:13 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Frameworks] I can´t sleep > > It's a feature film--and readily available on DVD. > But, how about Tsai Mingliang's I DONT WANT TO SLEEP ALONE. > > Jonathan > > > > 差出人: frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com > [frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] は Paul Krimmer [p...@krimmer.at] の代理 > 送信日時: 2011年11月4日 6:36 > 宛先: Experimental Film Discussion List > 件名: [Frameworks] I can´t sleep > > Hey. im programming my month's schedule called "i can't sleep". Just > wanted to know some films which come to your mind about night, walkings, > silent ones and of course and best radical work. thanks for your > head-sharing. > > best, >paul > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > - > This message has been scanned by Postini anti-virus software. > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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> Schrader's Light Sleeper. early 90's. Kind of dated. > ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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It's a feature film--and readily available on DVD. But, how about Tsai Mingliang's I DONT WANT TO SLEEP ALONE. Jonathan 差出人: frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com [frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] は Paul Krimmer [p...@krimmer.at] の代理 送信日時: 2011年11月4日 6:36 宛先: Experimental Film Discussion List 件名: [Frameworks] I can´t sleep Hey. im programming my month's schedule called "i can't sleep". Just wanted to know some films which come to your mind about night, walkings, silent ones and of course and best radical work. thanks for your head-sharing. best, paul ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks - This message has been scanned by Postini anti-virus software. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Hi Paul, LATE by Diane Cheklich is very nice -- available through Canadian Filmmakers: http://cfmdc.org/node/2254 Best, Vera On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Laura Bouza wrote: > In Order Not to Be Here, Deborah Stratman > > > -Original Message- > >From: Truniger Fred ** > >Sent: Nov 4, 2011 8:33 AM > >To: Experimental Film Discussion List ** > >Subject: Re: [Frameworks] I can´t sleep > > > >Hi Paul > >Clemens Klopfenstein: Geschichte der Nacht. (History of Night, > Switzerland 1978, 61 minutes) > >see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4kygCqa-o0 > >no language. > > > >cheers, fred > > > > > >Am 04.11.2011 um 14:36 schrieb Paul Krimmer: > > > >> Hey. im programming my month's schedule called "i can't sleep". Just > >> wanted to know some films which come to your mind about night, > walkings, > >> silent ones and of course and best radical work. thanks for your > >> head-sharing. > >> > >> best, > >> paul > >> ___ > >> FrameWorks mailing list > >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > >___ > >FrameWorks mailing list > >FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > >https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > www.laurabouza.com > > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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In Order Not to Be Here, Deborah Stratman-Original Message->From: Truniger Fred >Sent: Nov 4, 2011 8:33 AM>To: Experimental Film Discussion List >Subject: Re: [Frameworks] I can´t sleep>>Hi Paul>Clemens Klopfenstein: Geschichte der Nacht. (History of Night, Switzerland 1978, 61 minutes)>see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4kygCqa-o0>no language.>>cheers, fred>>>Am 04.11.2011 um 14:36 schrieb Paul Krimmer:>>> Hey. im programming my month's schedule called "i can't sleep". Just >> wanted to know some films which come to your mind about night, walkings, >> silent ones and of course and best radical work. thanks for your >> head-sharing.>> >> best,>> paul>> ___>> FrameWorks mailing list>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks>>___>FrameWorks mailing list>FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com>https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks www.laurabouza.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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also-- Claire Denis' I Can't Sleep jh On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Joan Hawkins wrote: > chantal ackerman's "A Whole Night" > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084808/ > > And the quintessential insomniac horror-- "Taxi Driver" > Joan > > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Paul Krimmer wrote: > >> Hey. im programming my month's schedule called "i can't sleep". Just >> wanted to know some films which come to your mind about night, walkings, >> silent ones and of course and best radical work. thanks for your >> head-sharing. >> >> best, >> paul >> ___ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> > > > > -- > Joan Hawkins > Associate Professor and Director of Film and Media Studies > Indiana University > Dept of Communication and Culture > 800 E. Third St > Bloomington, IN 47405 > > office phone 812-855-1548 > -- Joan Hawkins Associate Professor and Director of Film and Media Studies Indiana University Dept of Communication and Culture 800 E. Third St Bloomington, IN 47405 office phone 812-855-1548 ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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chantal ackerman's "A Whole Night" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084808/ And the quintessential insomniac horror-- "Taxi Driver" Joan On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Paul Krimmer wrote: > Hey. im programming my month's schedule called "i can't sleep". Just > wanted to know some films which come to your mind about night, walkings, > silent ones and of course and best radical work. thanks for your > head-sharing. > > best, > paul > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > -- Joan Hawkins Associate Professor and Director of Film and Media Studies Indiana University Dept of Communication and Culture 800 E. Third St Bloomington, IN 47405 office phone 812-855-1548 ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Hi Paul Clemens Klopfenstein: Geschichte der Nacht. (History of Night, Switzerland 1978, 61 minutes) see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4kygCqa-o0 no language. cheers, fred Am 04.11.2011 um 14:36 schrieb Paul Krimmer: > Hey. im programming my month's schedule called "i can't sleep". Just > wanted to know some films which come to your mind about night, walkings, > silent ones and of course and best radical work. thanks for your > head-sharing. > > best, > paul > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Alan Berliner made a doc about his insomnia, Wide Awake I believe it is. I haven't seen it, but he's one of the few filmmakers who has made really good documentaries AND really good experimental films. Rudy Burckhardt had a nice little poetry film In Bed. Nightcats and the Sexual Meditations by Brakhage. On a practical note, if you can't sleep, turn on the tv. It will do it for you. - Tom -Original Message- From: frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Paul Krimmer Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:36 AM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: [Frameworks] I can´t sleep Hey. im programming my month's schedule called "i can't sleep". Just wanted to know some films which come to your mind about night, walkings, silent ones and of course and best radical work. thanks for your head-sharing. best, paul ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
