Re: [Frameworks] Premiere export for projection
For what it's worth, my Hackintosh has been my workhorse for video almost two years now. Updating to Mavericks and switching (BACK!) to FCP from Premiere are proving very trying, but at least I can try a new graphics card instead of having to buy a whole new (non-hackable, non-upgradeable) machine at apple pri$e to see if it makes things happy again. That said, the hours poured into a hackintosh must be out of love, and not a profit/loss calculation because those are hours you never get back into your billing column (or time with loved ones). - Flick -- * WHERE'S MY ARTICLE, WORLD? http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Flick_Harrison * FLICK's WEBSITE: http://www.flickharrison.com ↑ Grab this Headline Animator ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Premiere export for projection
Thanks for the responses everybody. I had heard of opendcp, but hadn't looked into it too much. Aaron, thanks for all the specific advice too - very helpful. The workaround doesn't look too horrible, but I suppose we'll see. I don't particularly "like" windows, much like how I don't particularly "like" apple. It is nice building one's own on the cheap, reusing parts, etc and I'm pretty good at having windows be a stable, well-oiled and long lasting critter. I don't really have a desire to look into hackintosh stuff. For now at least. On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Sean M wrote: > "You've got to wonder why people keep 'effing around with pc codecs and > >> searching around endlessly in hidden directories for files when there is >> such a thing called a Mac." >> > > Bit of a hyperbolic statement, they are not that bad!!...lots of > professionals use PC's... Flexibility of hardware is one > of the main reasons professionals use PC's the ability to mix and match > components to suit ones needs. > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > -- ekrem serdar austin, tx ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Premiere export for projection
"You've got to wonder why people keep 'effing around with pc codecs and > searching around endlessly in hidden directories for files when there is > such a thing called a Mac." > Bit of a hyperbolic statement, they are not that bad!!...lots of professionals use PC's... Flexibility of hardware is one of the main reasons professionals use PC's the ability to mix and match components to suit ones needs. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Premiere export for projection
The choice of tool depends on what you want to do. Windows is the platform of choice for 3D artists, so that's why I don't have a Mac. Anyway, Apple has pretty much abandoned the professional market. The new Mac Pro has a lot of people really disappointed. // Aaron At 12/8/2013, you wrote: You've got to wonder why people keep 'effing around with pc codecs and searching around endlessly in hidden directories for files when there is such a thing called a Mac. Add up your hours and I think you'll find a Mac would pay for itself within a month. Heave the cryptic multi-tasking Edsel into the bin, get a Mac and spend your time focussing on ideas. Just my thoughts, Peter Perth (way down south, not the bonnie one). --- Aaron F. Ross Digital Arts Guild ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Premiere export for projection
You've got to wonder why people keep 'effing around with pc codecs and searching around endlessly in hidden directories for files when there is such a thing called a Mac. Add up your hours and I think you'll find a Mac would pay for itself within a month. Heave the cryptic multi-tasking Edsel into the bin, get a Mac and spend your time focussing on ideas. Just my thoughts, Peter Perth (way down south, not the bonnie one). >For the record, I don't think ProRes is strictly lossless. But yes, >it's always a good idea to create a digital master from which you can >strike compressed copies. I always master using a truly lossless >codec, such as Quicktime Animation at 100% quality. That preserves >the RGB color space and 4:4:4 color sampling, whereas most codecs >will convert to YCbCr and subsample the color channels. The downside >is that file sizes get very large... 20 GB for a three minute film at >1080p24! > > // Aaron > > > > >At 12/8/2013, you wrote: >>More and more people are asking for h264 nowadays - the Good Enough >>attitude which is fine for most of my work. From Premiere / Adobe >>Media Encoder I use the Vimeo hd 720p30 setting which is what I >>mostly shoot in. Looked amazing on the big Vancouver Int'l Film >>Centre screen last week. There's 1080i and p also I think. >>Unfortunately, the projection booth is as varied as the edit suite >>these days, so you might want to make a ProRes or other lossless >>master and use that to produce versions as the need arises. Pumping >>out overnight-encodings of various kinds is what computers are for, >>after all... :-) http://www.flickharrison.com > On Dec 8, 2013, at >>1:51 PM, "Aaron F. Ross" wrote: > > >>Unfortunately, the Apple ProRes encoder is not available for >>Windows. There is a workaround involving ffmpeg, but it's a pain. >>You have to render your clip to a lossless format such as QT >>Animation, then convert using ffmpeg. This is a command line app, >>but there is a front end gui available. > > >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gap6rkbJYIk > > Barring ProRes, the >>next best thing is AVID DNxHD, which is supported under Windows. But >>it's doubtful that you'll see many festivals accepting that. >>SIGGRAPH requires it, but they're really technocratic. > > Depending >>on your image content, you might be OK with h.264 at high bandwidth >>settings. I.e., ~24 megabits/sec for 1080p footage, ~5 megabits/sec >>for 480p. If you're seeing artifacts, the old standby, motion JPEG, >>may be an acceptable fallback position. > > Aaron > > > > > > At >>12/8/2013, you wrote: >> Hey folk, >> >> Just curious about what >>the (presumably few) Premiere users among you do when you're >>exporting a file for projection, what you've had good experiences >>with etc. What say you? >> >> >> -- >> --ekrem serdar >> Austin, >>TX >> (Sent from a toy) >> >>___ FrameWorks mailing >>list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > >>--- > > Aaron F. Ross > >>Digital Arts Guild > > >>___ > FrameWorks mailing >>list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > >>https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>___ FrameWorks mailing >>list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > >--- > >Aaron F. Ross >Digital Arts Guild > >___ >FrameWorks mailing list >FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Premiere export for projection
For the record, I don't think ProRes is strictly lossless. But yes, it's always a good idea to create a digital master from which you can strike compressed copies. I always master using a truly lossless codec, such as Quicktime Animation at 100% quality. That preserves the RGB color space and 4:4:4 color sampling, whereas most codecs will convert to YCbCr and subsample the color channels. The downside is that file sizes get very large... 20 GB for a three minute film at 1080p24! // Aaron At 12/8/2013, you wrote: More and more people are asking for h264 nowadays - the Good Enough attitude which is fine for most of my work. From Premiere / Adobe Media Encoder I use the Vimeo hd 720p30 setting which is what I mostly shoot in. Looked amazing on the big Vancouver Int'l Film Centre screen last week. There's 1080i and p also I think. Unfortunately, the projection booth is as varied as the edit suite these days, so you might want to make a ProRes or other lossless master and use that to produce versions as the need arises. Pumping out overnight-encodings of various kinds is what computers are for, after all... :-) http://www.flickharrison.com > On Dec 8, 2013, at 1:51 PM, "Aaron F. Ross" wrote: > > Unfortunately, the Apple ProRes encoder is not available for Windows. There is a workaround involving ffmpeg, but it's a pain. You have to render your clip to a lossless format such as QT Animation, then convert using ffmpeg. This is a command line app, but there is a front end gui available. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gap6rkbJYIk > > Barring ProRes, the next best thing is AVID DNxHD, which is supported under Windows. But it's doubtful that you'll see many festivals accepting that. SIGGRAPH requires it, but they're really technocratic. > > Depending on your image content, you might be OK with h.264 at high bandwidth settings. I.e., ~24 megabits/sec for 1080p footage, ~5 megabits/sec for 480p. If you're seeing artifacts, the old standby, motion JPEG, may be an acceptable fallback position. > > Aaron > > > > > > At 12/8/2013, you wrote: >> Hey folk, >> >> Just curious about what the (presumably few) Premiere users among you do when you're exporting a file for projection, what you've had good experiences with etc. What say you? >> >> >> -- >> --ekrem serdar >> Austin, TX >> (Sent from a toy) >> ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > --- > > Aaron F. Ross > Digital Arts Guild > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks --- Aaron F. Ross Digital Arts Guild ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Premiere export for projection
More and more people are asking for h264 nowadays - the Good Enough attitude which is fine for most of my work. From Premiere / Adobe Media Encoder I use the Vimeo hd 720p30 setting which is what I mostly shoot in. Looked amazing on the big Vancouver Int'l Film Centre screen last week. There's 1080i and p also I think. Unfortunately, the projection booth is as varied as the edit suite these days, so you might want to make a ProRes or other lossless master and use that to produce versions as the need arises. Pumping out overnight-encodings of various kinds is what computers are for, after all... :-) http://www.flickharrison.com > On Dec 8, 2013, at 1:51 PM, "Aaron F. Ross" > wrote: > > Unfortunately, the Apple ProRes encoder is not available for Windows. There > is a workaround involving ffmpeg, but it's a pain. You have to render your > clip to a lossless format such as QT Animation, then convert using ffmpeg. > This is a command line app, but there is a front end gui available. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gap6rkbJYIk > > Barring ProRes, the next best thing is AVID DNxHD, which is supported under > Windows. But it's doubtful that you'll see many festivals accepting that. > SIGGRAPH requires it, but they're really technocratic. > > Depending on your image content, you might be OK with h.264 at high bandwidth > settings. I.e., ~24 megabits/sec for 1080p footage, ~5 megabits/sec for 480p. > If you're seeing artifacts, the old standby, motion JPEG, may be an > acceptable fallback position. > > Aaron > > > > > > At 12/8/2013, you wrote: >> Hey folk, >> >> Just curious about what the (presumably few) Premiere users among you do >> when you're exporting a file for projection, what you've had good >> experiences with etc. What say you? >> >> >> -- >> --ekrem serdar >> Austin, TX >> (Sent from a toy) >> ___ FrameWorks mailing list >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > --- > > Aaron F. Ross > Digital Arts Guild > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Re: [Frameworks] Premiere export for projection
Unfortunately, the Apple ProRes encoder is not available for Windows. There is a workaround involving ffmpeg, but it's a pain. You have to render your clip to a lossless format such as QT Animation, then convert using ffmpeg. This is a command line app, but there is a front end gui available. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gap6rkbJYIk Barring ProRes, the next best thing is AVID DNxHD, which is supported under Windows. But it's doubtful that you'll see many festivals accepting that. SIGGRAPH requires it, but they're really technocratic. Depending on your image content, you might be OK with h.264 at high bandwidth settings. I.e., ~24 megabits/sec for 1080p footage, ~5 megabits/sec for 480p. If you're seeing artifacts, the old standby, motion JPEG, may be an acceptable fallback position. Aaron At 12/8/2013, you wrote: Hey folk, Just curious about what the (presumably few) Premiere users among you do when you're exporting a file for projection, what you've had good experiences with etc. What say you? -- --ekrem serdar Austin, TX (Sent from a toy) ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks --- Aaron F. Ross Digital Arts Guild ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Premiere export for projection
If the cinema has DCP capabilities that would be bay far the best and most stable way to show digital. http://opendcp.org/ Opendcp is freeware to make your own. It's a little tricky and requires exporting your movie as a tiff image sequence first. Check out the website. dk Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 14:20:53 -0600 From: ekremser...@gmail.com To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Premiere export for projection Hey Nicky, I left the question a little open to see what would come of it, but I was thinking of pro res (or equivalentish). The google is giving me a variety of responses on whether a pro res codec is available for windows or not. For Mac users it seems to be there. On Sunday, December 8, 2013, Ekrem Serdar wrote: One important note - I'm on Windows. (Unleash the pukey sounds) On Sunday, December 8, 2013, Ekrem Serdar wrote: Hey folk, Just curious about what the (presumably few) Premiere users among you do when you're exporting a file for projection, what you've had good experiences with etc. What say you? -- --ekrem serdar Austin, TX (Sent from a toy) -- --ekrem serdar Austin, TX (Sent from a toy) -- --ekrem serdar Austin, TX (Sent from a toy) ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Premiere export for projection
Hey Nicky, I left the question a little open to see what would come of it, but I was thinking of pro res (or equivalentish). The google is giving me a variety of responses on whether a pro res codec is available for windows or not. For Mac users it seems to be there. On Sunday, December 8, 2013, Ekrem Serdar wrote: > One important note - I'm on Windows. (Unleash the pukey sounds) > > On Sunday, December 8, 2013, Ekrem Serdar wrote: > >> Hey folk, >> >> Just curious about what the (presumably few) Premiere users among you >> do when you're exporting a file for projection, what you've had good >> experiences with etc. What say you? >> >> >> -- >> --ekrem serdar >> Austin, TX >> (Sent from a toy) >> > > > -- > --ekrem serdar > Austin, TX > (Sent from a toy) > -- --ekrem serdar Austin, TX (Sent from a toy) ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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One important note - I'm on Windows. (Unleash the pukey sounds) On Sunday, December 8, 2013, Ekrem Serdar wrote: > Hey folk, > > Just curious about what the (presumably few) Premiere users among you do > when you're exporting a file for projection, what you've had good > experiences with etc. What say you? > > > -- > --ekrem serdar > Austin, TX > (Sent from a toy) > -- --ekrem serdar Austin, TX (Sent from a toy) ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Premiere export for projection
Can you export your work as a Pro Res file? That seems to be a standard requirement for a lot of festivals. Pro Res can look pretty good if it's shown on a good projector. I'm going on what I've seen at Media City, which has the best projection in the World! NIcky. -Original Message- From: Ekrem Serdar To: frameworks Sent: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 19:53 Subject: [Frameworks] Premiere export for projection Hey folk, Just curious about what the (presumably few) Premiere users among you do when you're exporting a file for projection, what you've had good experiences with etc. What say you? -- --ekrem serdar Austin, TX (Sent from a toy) ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
