Re: [Frameworks] Turner and Film
I was reviewing some of the frameworks threads I highlighted this year and wondered what became of the Tate Etc. Magazine article mentioned in this one. It appeared as http://www.tate.org.uk/context-comment/articles/light and provoked http://www.timcawkwell.co.uk/brakhage-and-turner Eric On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 5:12 AM, Gawthrop, Rob rob.gawth...@falmouth.ac.uk wrote: Hi Aaron It would be worth looking at English experimental filmmakers working with landscape in the 70s-80s - William Raban, Jo Millett, Chris Welsby and Malcolm LeGrice etc. all figure - as landscape painting (impressionism in particular) was frequently cited. To claim direct influence is difficult but when working with landscape imagery it is impossible to not be aware of Turner's work and influence cannot be denied. The book/catalogue A Perspective on English Avant-Garde Film: A Touring Exhibition and the Landscape edition of Undercut magazine give a good survey of that period. I can also acknowledge both Turner and Monet in my own film Preservation which uses the steam from steam trains to bleach-out the image while exploring representations of speed and fluctuations of light. Best Wishes Rob On 26/02/2014 16:16, Aaron Juneau aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk wrote: Dear frameworks members, I'm contacting from Tate Etc. Magazine, London in the hope that somebody at Frameworks might be able to help me with some research I'm undertaking with regard to an article we're publishing in a couple issues time. Essentially the article will focus on J.M.W Turner's influence on film. I was wondering whether somebody at Frameworks could advise on some interesting, perhaps less known filmmakers who have been influenced by him? I'm really looking at hard fact and solid evidence as opposed to conjecture. Any assistance you can offer would be greatly appreciated. My very best, Aaron Juneau Editorial Assistant TATE ETC. magazine 20 John Islip Street Millbank London SW1P 4RG T: +44 (0)20 7821 8606 F: +44 (0)20 7887 3940 E: aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk www.tate.org.uk/tateetc follow us on Twitter: @TATEETCmag ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listi nfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Turner and Film
Hi Aaron It would be worth looking at English experimental filmmakers working with landscape in the 70s-80s - William Raban, Jo Millett, Chris Welsby and Malcolm LeGrice etc. all figure - as landscape painting (impressionism in particular) was frequently cited. To claim direct influence is difficult but when working with landscape imagery it is impossible to not be aware of Turner's work and influence cannot be denied. The book/catalogue A Perspective on English Avant-Garde Film: A Touring Exhibition and the Landscape edition of Undercut magazine give a good survey of that period. I can also acknowledge both Turner and Monet in my own film Preservation which uses the steam from steam trains to bleach-out the image while exploring representations of speed and fluctuations of light. Best Wishes Rob On 26/02/2014 16:16, Aaron Juneau aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk wrote: Dear frameworks members, I'm contacting from Tate Etc. Magazine, London in the hope that somebody at Frameworks might be able to help me with some research I'm undertaking with regard to an article we're publishing in a couple issues time. Essentially the article will focus on J.M.W Turner's influence on film. I was wondering whether somebody at Frameworks could advise on some interesting, perhaps less known filmmakers who have been influenced by him? I'm really looking at hard fact and solid evidence as opposed to conjecture. Any assistance you can offer would be greatly appreciated. My very best, Aaron Juneau Editorial Assistant TATE ETC. magazine 20 John Islip Street Millbank London SW1P 4RG T: +44 (0)20 7821 8606 F: +44 (0)20 7887 3940 E: aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk www.tate.org.uk/tateetc follow us on Twitter: @TATEETCmag ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listi nfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Turner and Film
Dear Marilyn, Thanks so much for this! Really helpful. I'll keep you posted about progress with the article. I am going to emphasize to our author (as yet undecided) that Stan Brakhage and Jordan Belson should be focused on in the article as the connectionis so strong and so interesting. Frameworks has been so helpful, many thanks to all! Bests, Aaron From: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of marilyn brakhage Sent: 27 February 2014 11:16 To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Turner and Film Also, in print: In Stan Brakhage's book Telling Time: Essays of a Visionary Filmmaker (McPherson and Company, 2003), he writes about Turner in his essay An Inner Argument, and also in the first section of the longer essay, Space As Menace in Canadian Aesthetics: Film and Painting. (And there are probably more examples elsewhere.) Marilyn Brakhage On 27-Feb-14, at 2:26 AM, marilyn brakhage wrote: More evidence for Brakhage, if needed, on our book shelves at home; especially the two volume set, The Paintings of JMW Turner by Martin Butlin and Evelyn Joll, published in 1977 by the Tate Gallery and Yale University (for when he couldn't see the works directly). He often spoke publicly about Turner's importance to him. Also spoke of wanting to go to Petworth -- but never got there. Marilyn Brakhage On 27-Feb-14, at 12:55 AM, Chuck Kleinhans wrote: Moire evidence for Brakhage. About 15 years ago he had a show at the University of Oregon. Part of his lecture and presentation involved him talking about Turner and showing at least one slide to make his point (about light and sky, as I remember). At a meal afterwards the conversation returned to Turner and Stan was quite clear and detailed about which London museums had which Turners, which collection was better, etc. etc. Clearly it wasn't just a casual knowledge but one deeply thought about, knowledge gained in those galleries by directly encountering the art work. Which sort of summarizes what he himself stood for, I think: directly confronting and experiencing an artwork in all its full presence. Certainly the best pathway into any of his films. Chuck Kleinhans On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Fred Camper wrote: Not less known perhaps, but Brakhage is key here. He cites Turner as an influence in a list of influences, as someone mentioned, in my Criterion liner notes. It might be worth recounting how that list was composed. I asked him on the phone for his most important influences from writers, painters, and composers, and added, You only get two of each. For painters he chose Turner and Pollock as the two most important. (He also added, on his own, an additional art, dance.) The Text of Light would be the most important film here. Not only did he look at Turner, but the variability of light in Turner is deeply inscribed in that film. He also spoke of The Text of Light in terms of landscape. This aspect of light was explored even more radically in the Romans, Arabics, and Egyptians. The imagery in those films is far more removed from ideas of landscape. Fred Camper Chicago Quoting Aaron Juneau aaron.jun...@tate.org.ukmailto:aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk: Dear frameworks members, I'm contacting from Tate Etc. Magazine, London in the hope that somebody at Frameworks might be able to help me with some research I'm undertaking with regard to an article we're publishing in a couple issues time. Essentially the article will focus on J.M.W Turner's influence on film. I was wondering whether somebody at Frameworks could advise on some interesting, perhaps less known filmmakers who have been influenced by him? I'm really looking at hard fact and solid evidence as opposed to conjecture. Any assistance you can offer would be greatly appreciated. My very best, Aaron Juneau Editorial Assistant TATE ETC. magazine 20 John Islip Street Millbank London SW1P 4RG T: +44 (0)20 7821 8606 F: +44 (0)20 7887 3940 E: aaron.jun...@tate.org.ukmailto:aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk www.tate.org.uk/tateetchttp://www.tate.org.uk/tateetc follow us on Twitter: @TATEETCmag ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks Chuck Kleinhans chuck...@northwestern.edumailto:chuck...@northwestern.edu ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https
Re: [Frameworks] Turner and Film
Moire evidence for Brakhage. About 15 years ago he had a show at the University of Oregon. Part of his lecture and presentation involved him talking about Turner and showing at least one slide to make his point (about light and sky, as I remember). At a meal afterwards the conversation returned to Turner and Stan was quite clear and detailed about which London museums had which Turners, which collection was better, etc. etc. Clearly it wasn't just a casual knowledge but one deeply thought about, knowledge gained in those galleries by directly encountering the art work. Which sort of summarizes what he himself stood for, I think: directly confronting and experiencing an artwork in all its full presence. Certainly the best pathway into any of his films. Chuck Kleinhans On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Fred Camper wrote: Not less known perhaps, but Brakhage is key here. He cites Turner as an influence in a list of influences, as someone mentioned, in my Criterion liner notes. It might be worth recounting how that list was composed. I asked him on the phone for his most important influences from writers, painters, and composers, and added, You only get two of each. For painters he chose Turner and Pollock as the two most important. (He also added, on his own, an additional art, dance.) The Text of Light would be the most important film here. Not only did he look at Turner, but the variability of light in Turner is deeply inscribed in that film. He also spoke of The Text of Light in terms of landscape. This aspect of light was explored even more radically in the Romans, Arabics, and Egyptians. The imagery in those films is far more removed from ideas of landscape. Fred Camper Chicago Quoting Aaron Juneau aaron.jun...@tate.org.ukmailto:aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk: Dear frameworks members, I'm contacting from Tate Etc. Magazine, London in the hope that somebody at Frameworks might be able to help me with some research I'm undertaking with regard to an article we're publishing in a couple issues time. Essentially the article will focus on J.M.W Turner's influence on film. I was wondering whether somebody at Frameworks could advise on some interesting, perhaps less known filmmakers who have been influenced by him? I'm really looking at hard fact and solid evidence as opposed to conjecture. Any assistance you can offer would be greatly appreciated. My very best, Aaron Juneau Editorial Assistant TATE ETC. magazine 20 John Islip Street Millbank London SW1P 4RG T: +44 (0)20 7821 8606 F: +44 (0)20 7887 3940 E: aaron.jun...@tate.org.ukmailto:aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk www.tate.org.uk/tateetchttp://www.tate.org.uk/tateetc follow us on Twitter: @TATEETCmag ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks Chuck Kleinhans chuck...@northwestern.edumailto:chuck...@northwestern.edu ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Turner and Film
More evidence for Brakhage, if needed, on our book shelves at home; especially the two volume set, The Paintings of JMW Turner by Martin Butlin and Evelyn Joll, published in 1977 by the Tate Gallery and Yale University (for when he couldn't see the works directly). He often spoke publicly about Turner's importance to him. Also spoke of wanting to go to Petworth -- but never got there. Marilyn Brakhage On 27-Feb-14, at 12:55 AM, Chuck Kleinhans wrote: Moire evidence for Brakhage. About 15 years ago he had a show at the University of Oregon. Part of his lecture and presentation involved him talking about Turner and showing at least one slide to make his point (about light and sky, as I remember). At a meal afterwards the conversation returned to Turner and Stan was quite clear and detailed about which London museums had which Turners, which collection was better, etc. etc. Clearly it wasn't just a casual knowledge but one deeply thought about, knowledge gained in those galleries by directly encountering the art work. Which sort of summarizes what he himself stood for, I think: directly confronting and experiencing an artwork in all its full presence. Certainly the best pathway into any of his films. Chuck Kleinhans On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Fred Camper wrote: Not less known perhaps, but Brakhage is key here. He cites Turner as an influence in a list of influences, as someone mentioned, in my Criterion liner notes. It might be worth recounting how that list was composed. I asked him on the phone for his most important influences from writers, painters, and composers, and added, You only get two of each. For painters he chose Turner and Pollock as the two most important. (He also added, on his own, an additional art, dance.) The Text of Light would be the most important film here. Not only did he look at Turner, but the variability of light in Turner is deeply inscribed in that film. He also spoke of The Text of Light in terms of landscape. This aspect of light was explored even more radically in the Romans, Arabics, and Egyptians. The imagery in those films is far more removed from ideas of landscape. Fred Camper Chicago Quoting Aaron Juneau aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk: Dear frameworks members, I'm contacting from Tate Etc. Magazine, London in the hope that somebody at Frameworks might be able to help me with some research I'm undertaking with regard to an article we're publishing in a couple issues time. Essentially the article will focus on J.M.W Turner's influence on film. I was wondering whether somebody at Frameworks could advise on some interesting, perhaps less known filmmakers who have been influenced by him? I'm really looking at hard fact and solid evidence as opposed to conjecture. Any assistance you can offer would be greatly appreciated. My very best, Aaron Juneau Editorial Assistant TATE ETC. magazine 20 John Islip Street Millbank London SW1P 4RG T: +44 (0)20 7821 8606 F: +44 (0)20 7887 3940 E: aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk www.tate.org.uk/tateetc follow us on Twitter: @TATEETCmag ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks Chuck Kleinhans chuck...@northwestern.edu ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Turner and Film
Also, in print: In Stan Brakhage's book Telling Time: Essays of a Visionary Filmmaker (McPherson and Company, 2003), he writes about Turner in his essay An Inner Argument, and also in the first section of the longer essay, Space As Menace in Canadian Aesthetics: Film and Painting. (And there are probably more examples elsewhere.) Marilyn Brakhage On 27-Feb-14, at 2:26 AM, marilyn brakhage wrote: More evidence for Brakhage, if needed, on our book shelves at home; especially the two volume set, The Paintings of JMW Turner by Martin Butlin and Evelyn Joll, published in 1977 by the Tate Gallery and Yale University (for when he couldn't see the works directly). He often spoke publicly about Turner's importance to him. Also spoke of wanting to go to Petworth -- but never got there. Marilyn Brakhage On 27-Feb-14, at 12:55 AM, Chuck Kleinhans wrote: Moire evidence for Brakhage. About 15 years ago he had a show at the University of Oregon. Part of his lecture and presentation involved him talking about Turner and showing at least one slide to make his point (about light and sky, as I remember). At a meal afterwards the conversation returned to Turner and Stan was quite clear and detailed about which London museums had which Turners, which collection was better, etc. etc. Clearly it wasn't just a casual knowledge but one deeply thought about, knowledge gained in those galleries by directly encountering the art work. Which sort of summarizes what he himself stood for, I think: directly confronting and experiencing an artwork in all its full presence. Certainly the best pathway into any of his films. Chuck Kleinhans On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Fred Camper wrote: Not less known perhaps, but Brakhage is key here. He cites Turner as an influence in a list of influences, as someone mentioned, in my Criterion liner notes. It might be worth recounting how that list was composed. I asked him on the phone for his most important influences from writers, painters, and composers, and added, You only get two of each. For painters he chose Turner and Pollock as the two most important. (He also added, on his own, an additional art, dance.) The Text of Light would be the most important film here. Not only did he look at Turner, but the variability of light in Turner is deeply inscribed in that film. He also spoke of The Text of Light in terms of landscape. This aspect of light was explored even more radically in the Romans, Arabics, and Egyptians. The imagery in those films is far more removed from ideas of landscape. Fred Camper Chicago Quoting Aaron Juneau aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk: Dear frameworks members, I'm contacting from Tate Etc. Magazine, London in the hope that somebody at Frameworks might be able to help me with some research I'm undertaking with regard to an article we're publishing in a couple issues time. Essentially the article will focus on J.M.W Turner's influence on film. I was wondering whether somebody at Frameworks could advise on some interesting, perhaps less known filmmakers who have been influenced by him? I'm really looking at hard fact and solid evidence as opposed to conjecture. Any assistance you can offer would be greatly appreciated. My very best, Aaron Juneau Editorial Assistant TATE ETC. magazine 20 John Islip Street Millbank London SW1P 4RG T: +44 (0)20 7821 8606 F: +44 (0)20 7887 3940 E: aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk www.tate.org.uk/tateetc follow us on Twitter: @TATEETCmag ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks Chuck Kleinhans chuck...@northwestern.edu ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Turner and Film
Definitely Peter Hutton's color films, Rebecca Meyers' blue mantle and T. Marie's Slave Ship, which is inspired by the painting of the same name. Scott MacDonald's book the Garden in the Machine, which you may have encountered already, may be of help. Dear frameworks members, I'm contacting from Tate Etc. Magazine, London in the hope that somebody at Frameworks might be able to help me with some research I'm undertaking with regard to an article we're publishing in a couple issues time. Essentially the article will focus on J.M.W Turner's influence on film. I was wondering whether somebody at Frameworks could advise on some interesting, perhaps less known filmmakers who have been influenced by him? I'm really looking at hard fact and solid evidence as opposed to conjecture. Any assistance you can offer would be greatly appreciated. My very best, Aaron Juneau Editorial Assistant TATE ETC. magazine 20 John Islip Street Millbank London SW1P 4RG T: +44 (0)20 7821 8606 F: +44 (0)20 7887 3940 E: aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk www.tate.org.uk/tateetc follow us on Twitter: @TATEETCmag ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Turner and Film
Larry Gotheim,Fog Lines On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Aaron Juneau aaron.jun...@tate.org.ukwrote: Dear frameworks members, I'm contacting from Tate Etc. Magazine, London in the hope that somebody at Frameworks might be able to help me with some research I'm undertaking with regard to an article we're publishing in a couple issues time. Essentially the article will focus on J.M.W Turner's influence on film. I was wondering whether somebody at Frameworks could advise on some interesting, perhaps less known filmmakers who have been influenced by him? I'm really looking at hard fact and solid evidence as opposed to conjecture. Any assistance you can offer would be greatly appreciated. My very best, *Aaron Juneau* *Editorial Assistant* TATE ETC. magazine 20 John Islip Street Millbank London SW1P 4RG T: +44 (0)20 7821 8606 F: +44 (0)20 7887 3940 E: aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk *www.tate.org.uk/tateetc* http://www.tate.org.uk/tateetc *follow us on Twitter:* @TATEETCmag Please note that any information sent, received or held by Tate may be disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- John Knecht, Russell Colgate Distinguished University Professor of Art and Art History and Film and Media Studies ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Turner and Film
Hi Aaron, I would look at Patrick Keiller's Robinson films. Each film, *London *(1994), *Robinson in Space *(1997) and *Robinson in Ruins, *makes specific reference to Turner and are clearly interested in engaging with Turner's legacy in the representation of British landscapes. In *Robinson in Space, *there is even a visit to the Maidenhead Bridge, which the locale featured in Turner's *Rain, Steam and Speed* (1844). Maybe none of this is news to you, given Keiller's history of collaboration with Tate? Also, I know that in one of the interviews with Brakhage included in his Criterion anthologies, Brakhage cite's Turner as an influence. I can't remember in what context, but I have a feeling it relates to Turner's fascination with light and atmospheric phenomena. Sorry not to be more specific; I don't have the interview at hand. Best, Heath -- Heath Iverson PhD Candidate, Film Studies University of St Andrews 99 North Street St. Andrews, KY16 9AD Scotland, UK ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Turner and Film
Lucien Castaing-Taylor and Verena Paravel's LEVIATHAN Original Message Subject: [Frameworks] Turner and Film From: Aaron Juneau aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk Date: Wed, February 26, 2014 9:16 am To: "'frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com'" frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Dear frameworks members, I'm contacting from Tate Etc. Magazine, London in the hope that somebody at Frameworks might be able to help me with some research I'm undertaking with regard to an article we're publishing in a couple issues time. Essentially the article will focus on J.M.W Turner's influence on film. I was wondering whether somebody at Frameworks could advise on some interesting, perhaps less known filmmakers who have been influenced by him? I'm really looking at hard fact and solid evidence as opposed to conjecture. Any assistance you can offer would be greatly appreciated. My very best,Aaron Juneau Editorial Assistant TATE ETC. magazine 20 John Islip Street Millbank London SW1P 4RG T: +44 (0)20 7821 8606 F: +44 (0)20 7887 3940 E: aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk www.tate.org.uk/tateetc follow us on Twitter: @TATEETCmag Please note that any information sent, received or held by Tate may be disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act 2000___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Turner and Film
Not less known perhaps, but Brakhage is key here. He cites Turner as an influence in a list of influences, as someone mentioned, in my Criterion liner notes. It might be worth recounting how that list was composed. I asked him on the phone for his most important influences from writers, painters, and composers, and added, You only get two of each. For painters he chose Turner and Pollock as the two most important. (He also added, on his own, an additional art, dance.) The Text of Light would be the most important film here. Not only did he look at Turner, but the variability of light in Turner is deeply inscribed in that film. He also spoke of The Text of Light in terms of landscape. This aspect of light was explored even more radically in the Romans, Arabics, and Egyptians. The imagery in those films is far more removed from ideas of landscape. Fred Camper Chicago Quoting Aaron Juneau aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk: Dear frameworks members, I'm contacting from Tate Etc. Magazine, London in the hope that somebody at Frameworks might be able to help me with some research I'm undertaking with regard to an article we're publishing in a couple issues time. Essentially the article will focus on J.M.W Turner's influence on film. I was wondering whether somebody at Frameworks could advise on some interesting, perhaps less known filmmakers who have been influenced by him? I'm really looking at hard fact and solid evidence as opposed to conjecture. Any assistance you can offer would be greatly appreciated. My very best, Aaron Juneau Editorial Assistant TATE ETC. magazine 20 John Islip Street Millbank London SW1P 4RG T: +44 (0)20 7821 8606 F: +44 (0)20 7887 3940 E: aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk www.tate.org.uk/tateetc follow us on Twitter: @TATEETCmag ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Turner and Film
on Brakhage and Turner, see Paul Arthur's essay in Stan Brakhage: Filmmker On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Fred Camper f...@fredcamper.com wrote: Not less known perhaps, but Brakhage is key here. He cites Turner as an influence in a list of influences, as someone mentioned, in my Criterion liner notes. It might be worth recounting how that list was composed. I asked him on the phone for his most important influences from writers, painters, and composers, and added, You only get two of each. For painters he chose Turner and Pollock as the two most important. (He also added, on his own, an additional art, dance.) The Text of Light would be the most important film here. Not only did he look at Turner, but the variability of light in Turner is deeply inscribed in that film. He also spoke of The Text of Light in terms of landscape. This aspect of light was explored even more radically in the Romans, Arabics, and Egyptians. The imagery in those films is far more removed from ideas of landscape. Fred Camper Chicago Quoting Aaron Juneau aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk: Dear frameworks members, I'm contacting from Tate Etc. Magazine, London in the hope that somebody at Frameworks might be able to help me with some research I'm undertaking with regard to an article we're publishing in a couple issues time. Essentially the article will focus on J.M.W Turner's influence on film. I was wondering whether somebody at Frameworks could advise on some interesting, perhaps less known filmmakers who have been influenced by him? I'm really looking at hard fact and solid evidence as opposed to conjecture. Any assistance you can offer would be greatly appreciated. My very best, Aaron Juneau Editorial Assistant TATE ETC. magazine 20 John Islip Street Millbank London SW1P 4RG T: +44 (0)20 7821 8606 F: +44 (0)20 7887 3940 E: aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk www.tate.org.uk/tateetc follow us on Twitter: @TATEETCmag ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Turner and Film
I wrote about some of the Roman Numeral films in an essay for the same Brakhage book. I think some of them are quite landscape-like, though perhaps not as obviously as is Text of Light, which also evokes John Martin's paintings at least as much as Turner, Nicky. From: Sasha Janerus sasha.jane...@gmail.com Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:11:47 -0500 To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Turner and Film on Brakhage and Turner, see Paul Arthur's essay in Stan Brakhage: Filmmker On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Fred Camper f...@fredcamper.com wrote: Not less known perhaps, but Brakhage is key here. He cites Turner as an influence in a list of influences, as someone mentioned, in my Criterion liner notes. It might be worth recounting how that list was composed. I asked him on the phone for his most important influences from writers, painters, and composers, and added, You only get two of each. For painters he chose Turner and Pollock as the two most important. (He also added, on his own, an additional art, dance.) The Text of Light would be the most important film here. Not only did he look at Turner, but the variability of light in Turner is deeply inscribed in that film. He also spoke of The Text of Light in terms of landscape. This aspect of light was explored even more radically in the Romans, Arabics, and Egyptians. The imagery in those films is far more removed from ideas of landscape. Fred Camper Chicago Quoting Aaron Juneau aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk: Dear frameworks members, I'm contacting from Tate Etc. Magazine, London in the hope that somebody at Frameworks might be able to help me with some research I'm undertaking with regard to an article we're publishing in a couple issues time. Essentially the article will focus on J.M.W Turner's influence on film. I was wondering whether somebody at Frameworks could advise on some interesting, perhaps less known filmmakers who have been influenced by him? I'm really looking at hard fact and solid evidence as opposed to conjecture. Any assistance you can offer would be greatly appreciated. My very best, Aaron Juneau Editorial Assistant TATE ETC. magazine 20 John Islip Street Millbank London SW1P 4RG T: +44 (0)20 7821 8606 tel:%2B44%20%280%2920%207821%208606 F: +44 (0)20 7887 3940 tel:%2B44%20%280%2920%207887%203940 E: aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk www.tate.org.uk/tateetc http://www.tate.org.uk/tateetc follow us on Twitter: @TATEETCmag ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Turner and Film
Jon Jost has cited Turner as a some-time favourite of his, and Dennis Grunes made an explicit connection between them in his review of Jost's 2006 movie, Passages: http://grunes.wordpress.com/2007/02/03/passages-jon-jost-2006/ Envoyé de mon iPad Le 26 févr. 2014 à 10:16, Aaron Juneau aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk a écrit : Dear frameworks members, I'm contacting from Tate Etc. Magazine, London in the hope that somebody at Frameworks might be able to help me with some research I'm undertaking with regard to an article we're publishing in a couple issues time. Essentially the article will focus on J.M.W Turner's influence on film. I was wondering whether somebody at Frameworks could advise on some interesting, perhaps less known filmmakers who have been influenced by him? I'm really looking at hard fact and solid evidence as opposed to conjecture. Any assistance you can offer would be greatly appreciated. My very best, Aaron Juneau Editorial Assistant TATE ETC. magazine 20 John Islip Street Millbank London SW1P 4RG T: +44 (0)20 7821 8606 F: +44 (0)20 7887 3940 E: aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk www.tate.org.uk/tateetc follow us on Twitter: @TATEETCmag Please note that any information sent, received or held by Tate may be disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Turner and Film
Some of Jordan Belson's films evoke Turner's more shimmering work, and they even have suggestions of land. He may even have referenced Turner in an interview, although his need to be seen as an original might preclude that. Cindy Keefer would know. -Original Message- From: Fred Camper Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:47 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Turner and Film Not less known perhaps, but Brakhage is key here. He cites Turner as an influence in a list of influences, as someone mentioned, in my Criterion liner notes. It might be worth recounting how that list was composed. I asked him on the phone for his most important influences from writers, painters, and composers, and added, You only get two of each. For painters he chose Turner and Pollock as the two most important. (He also added, on his own, an additional art, dance.) The Text of Light would be the most important film here. Not only did he look at Turner, but the variability of light in Turner is deeply inscribed in that film. He also spoke of The Text of Light in terms of landscape. This aspect of light was explored even more radically in the Romans, Arabics, and Egyptians. The imagery in those films is far more removed from ideas of landscape. Fred Camper Chicago Quoting Aaron Juneau aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk: Dear frameworks members, I'm contacting from Tate Etc. Magazine, London in the hope that somebody at Frameworks might be able to help me with some research I'm undertaking with regard to an article we're publishing in a couple issues time. Essentially the article will focus on J.M.W Turner's influence on film. I was wondering whether somebody at Frameworks could advise on some interesting, perhaps less known filmmakers who have been influenced by him? I'm really looking at hard fact and solid evidence as opposed to conjecture. Any assistance you can offer would be greatly appreciated. My very best, Aaron Juneau Editorial Assistant TATE ETC. magazine 20 John Islip Street Millbank London SW1P 4RG T: +44 (0)20 7821 8606 F: +44 (0)20 7887 3940 E: aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk www.tate.org.uk/tateetc follow us on Twitter: @TATEETCmag ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Turner and Film
Has anyone mentioned Babette Magnolte's film yet? Cheers, Mary Sent from my NOOK Peter Snowdon pe...@redrice.net wrote: Jon Jost has cited Turner as a some-time favourite of his, and Dennis Grunes made an explicit connection between them in his review of Jost's 2006 movie, Passages: http://grunes.wordpress.com/2007/02/03/passages-jon-jost-2006/ Envoyé de mon iPad Le 26 févr. 2014 à 10:16, Aaron Juneau aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk a écrit : Dear frameworks members, I'm contacting from Tate Etc. Magazine, London in the hope that somebody at Frameworks might be able to help me with some research I'm undertaking with regard to an article we're publishing in a couple issues time. Essentially the article will focus on J.M.W Turner's influence on film. I was wondering whether somebody at Frameworks could advise on some interesting, perhaps less known filmmakers who have been influenced by him? I'm really looking at hard fact and solid evidence as opposed to conjecture. Any assistance you can offer would be greatly appreciated. My very best, Aaron Juneau Editorial Assistant TATE ETC. magazine 20 John Islip Street Millbank London SW1P 4RG T: +44 (0)20 7821 8606 F: +44 (0)20 7887 3940 E: aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk www.tate.org.uk/tateetc follow us on Twitter: @TATEETCmag Please note that any information sent, received or held by Tate may be disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Turner and Film
Babette Magnolte's film is called The Sky On Location. http://www.nytimes.com/movies/movie/158358/The-Sky-On-Location/overview http://marybillyou.com/ From: Mary marybill...@yahoo.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Turner and Film Has anyone mentioned Babette Magnolte's film yet? Cheers, Mary Sent from my NOOK Peter Snowdon pe...@redrice.net wrote: Jon Jost has cited Turner as a some-time favourite of his, and Dennis Grunes made an explicit connection between them in his review of Jost's 2006 movie, Passages: http://grunes.wordpress.com/2007/02/03/passages-jon-jost-2006/ Envoyé de mon iPad Le 26 févr. 2014 à 10:16, Aaron Juneau aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk a écrit : Dear frameworks members, I'm contacting from Tate Etc. Magazine, London in the hope that somebody at Frameworks might be able to help me with some research I'm undertaking with regard to an article we're publishing in a couple issues time. Essentially the article will focus on J.M.W Turner's influence on film. I was wondering whether somebody at Frameworks could advise on some interesting, perhaps less known filmmakers who have been influenced by him? I'm really looking at hard fact and solid evidence as opposed to conjecture. Any assistance you can offer would be greatly appreciated. My very best, Aaron Juneau Editorial Assistant TATE ETC. magazine 20 John Islip Street Millbank London SW1P 4RG T: +44 (0)20 7821 8606 F: +44 (0)20 7887 3940 E: aaron.jun...@tate.org.uk www.tate.org.uk/tateetc follow us on Twitter: @TATEETCmag Please note that any information sent, received or held by Tate may be disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
