Re: [Frameworks] reflexivity and Dziga Vertov
Hi Jaime, and of course, please cite as you'd like! Your second question is tricky: I wrote this piece up for a guidebook to Russian cinema, but it was rejected (as too complex), so I just decided to get it up on the web anyway. It's the only piece on MWMC that seriously integrates archival material, to my knowledge, but touches on only some of the film's many aspects. To answer more directly, though: writing it took very little time, but I've been researching Vertov for over a decade. The new book (which I'm finishing now) is a critical biography that addresses all periods of his life and work, and Vertov reception as well; I've published a lot on Vertov already. Send on any other questions you might have, and good luck with the paper! Yours, John On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 3:15 PM, jaime cleeland wrote: > John, thank you for that link. Is it possible that I quote from it ? I > am a undergrad student at Bangor University, Wales. The paper is for an > assignment for a class on documentary theory. > Secondly, can I ask you how long did it take you to research and write > your paper ? I am interested because I see that there is much original > thought that carries the work. > Thirdly, what is your new book ? > > Jaime > > > On Monday, 24 November 2014, 17:57, John MacKay > wrote: > > > Self-reflexivity in Vertov is a very complex topic, not least in relation > to the questions of how and when he ended up taking recourse to > self-reflexivity, and why he never thematizes it in his manifesta and other > theoretical writings. I've got a lot about this in my upcoming book on > Vertov, but here's something that looks at the film and its reflexivity > from a somewhat different angle: > > https://www.academia.edu/4090580/_Man_with_a_Movie_Camera_An_Introduction_ > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Francisco Torres > wrote: > > ''...the reflexive mode'' - that seems to apply to documentaries, and > TMWAMC may not be a documentary but something else. Maybe something like an > essay > > > 2014-11-23 20:48 GMT-04:00 Jonathan Walley : > > I’m not sure anything’s ever been written about DV/MWMC that *didn’t* > address his/its reflexivity. Any source you consult will have something to > say about it. Some recommended sources include: > > http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520056305 > http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199388707.do > http://books.google.com/books/about/Documentary.html?id=qtZ91DNvgBMC > > This doesn’t mention TONS of scholarly essays on Vertov and MWMC. Lots to > work with. > JW > > Dr. Jonathan Walley > Associate Professor > Department of Cinema > Denison University > wall...@denison.edu > > > On Nov 23, 2014, at 4:08 PM, jaime cleeland wrote: > > Hello, I am writing an academic essay about 'Man with the Movie Camera' > . Any pointers on the reflexive mode within the film would be helpful. > > Jaime > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] reflexivity and Dziga Vertov
Hi Jaime, You can find an interesting analysis/interpretation about "Man with a Movie Camera" in the first chapter/introduction of "The Language of New Media" by Lev Manovich. It's an archaeological media approach with a new point of view of Cinema History. Manovich uses "Man with a Movie Camera" as a "starting point" for his epistemology. Despite a systematically and a methodically approach (it's not my way of thinking), there's some great notes about the film, especially his "reflexivity aspects". *Cf. "The Language of New Media" by Lev Manovich / Prologue: Vertov's Dataset. * Regards, 2014-11-24 19:26 GMT+01:00 Caryn Cline : > I don't have the book in hand, and it has been awhile since I read it, but > I believe that there is also a useful discussion on Vertov and MWMC in > Robert Stam's Reflexivity in Film and Literature: From Don Quixote to > Jean-Luc Godard. > > Best, > > CC > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 9:28 AM, John MacKay > wrote: > >> Self-reflexivity in Vertov is a very complex topic, not least in relation >> to the questions of how and when he ended up taking recourse to >> self-reflexivity, and why he never thematizes it in his manifesta and other >> theoretical writings. I've got a lot about this in my upcoming book on >> Vertov, but here's something that looks at the film and its reflexivity >> from a somewhat different angle: >> >> https://www.academia.edu/4090580/_Man_with_a_Movie_Camera_An_Introduction_ >> >> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Francisco Torres >> wrote: >> >>> ''...the reflexive mode'' - that seems to apply to documentaries, and >>> TMWAMC may not be a documentary but something else. Maybe something like an >>> essay >>> >>> >>> 2014-11-23 20:48 GMT-04:00 Jonathan Walley : >>> >>> I’m not sure anything’s ever been written about DV/MWMC that *didn’t* address his/its reflexivity. Any source you consult will have something to say about it. Some recommended sources include: http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520056305 http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199388707.do http://books.google.com/books/about/Documentary.html?id=qtZ91DNvgBMC This doesn’t mention TONS of scholarly essays on Vertov and MWMC. Lots to work with. JW Dr. Jonathan Walley Associate Professor Department of Cinema Denison University wall...@denison.edu On Nov 23, 2014, at 4:08 PM, jaime cleeland wrote: Hello, I am writing an academic essay about 'Man with the Movie Camera' . Any pointers on the reflexive mode within the film would be helpful. Jaime ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>> >>> ___ >>> FrameWorks mailing list >>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> > > > -- > Caryn Cline > Experimental Filmmaker & Teacher > vimeo.com/carynyc > Co-producer & cinematographer, *Acts of Witness* > www.actsofwitness.com > > > > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > -- *Benjamin Léon * Benjamin Léon Ph.D Candidate in Film and Visual Studies Ed 267 "Arts et Médias" Université Sorbonne Nouvelle - Paris 3 benjamin.l...@univ-paris3.fr FR + 33 (0)6 28 07 18 00 Skype : benjil75 ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] reflexivity and Dziga Vertov
John, thank you for that link. Is it possible that I quote from it ? I am a undergrad student at Bangor University, Wales. The paper is for an assignment for a class on documentary theory.Secondly, can I ask you how long did it take you to research and write your paper ? I am interested because I see that there is much original thought that carries the work.Thirdly, what is your new book ? Jaime On Monday, 24 November 2014, 17:57, John MacKay wrote: Self-reflexivity in Vertov is a very complex topic, not least in relation to the questions of how and when he ended up taking recourse to self-reflexivity, and why he never thematizes it in his manifesta and other theoretical writings. I've got a lot about this in my upcoming book on Vertov, but here's something that looks at the film and its reflexivity from a somewhat different angle: https://www.academia.edu/4090580/_Man_with_a_Movie_Camera_An_Introduction_ On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Francisco Torres wrote: ''...the reflexive mode'' - that seems to apply to documentaries, and TMWAMC may not be a documentary but something else. Maybe something like an essay 2014-11-23 20:48 GMT-04:00 Jonathan Walley : I’m not sure anything’s ever been written about DV/MWMC that didn’t address his/its reflexivity. Any source you consult will have something to say about it. Some recommended sources include: http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520056305http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199388707.dohttp://books.google.com/books/about/Documentary.html?id=qtZ91DNvgBMC This doesn’t mention TONS of scholarly essays on Vertov and MWMC. Lots to work with.JW Dr. Jonathan Walley Associate Professor Department of Cinema Denison University wall...@denison.edu On Nov 23, 2014, at 4:08 PM, jaime cleeland wrote: Hello, I am writing an academic essay about 'Man with the Movie Camera' . Any pointers on the reflexive mode within the film would be helpful. Jaime ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] reflexivity and Dziga Vertov
I don't have the book in hand, and it has been awhile since I read it, but I believe that there is also a useful discussion on Vertov and MWMC in Robert Stam's Reflexivity in Film and Literature: From Don Quixote to Jean-Luc Godard. Best, CC On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 9:28 AM, John MacKay wrote: > Self-reflexivity in Vertov is a very complex topic, not least in relation > to the questions of how and when he ended up taking recourse to > self-reflexivity, and why he never thematizes it in his manifesta and other > theoretical writings. I've got a lot about this in my upcoming book on > Vertov, but here's something that looks at the film and its reflexivity > from a somewhat different angle: > > https://www.academia.edu/4090580/_Man_with_a_Movie_Camera_An_Introduction_ > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Francisco Torres > wrote: > >> ''...the reflexive mode'' - that seems to apply to documentaries, and >> TMWAMC may not be a documentary but something else. Maybe something like an >> essay >> >> >> 2014-11-23 20:48 GMT-04:00 Jonathan Walley : >> >> I’m not sure anything’s ever been written about DV/MWMC that *didn’t* >>> address his/its reflexivity. Any source you consult will have something to >>> say about it. Some recommended sources include: >>> >>> http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520056305 >>> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199388707.do >>> http://books.google.com/books/about/Documentary.html?id=qtZ91DNvgBMC >>> >>> This doesn’t mention TONS of scholarly essays on Vertov and MWMC. Lots >>> to work with. >>> JW >>> >>> Dr. Jonathan Walley >>> Associate Professor >>> Department of Cinema >>> Denison University >>> wall...@denison.edu >>> >>> >>> On Nov 23, 2014, at 4:08 PM, jaime cleeland >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, I am writing an academic essay about 'Man with the Movie Camera' >>> . Any pointers on the reflexive mode within the film would be helpful. >>> >>> Jaime >>> ___ >>> FrameWorks mailing list >>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> FrameWorks mailing list >>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > -- Caryn Cline Experimental Filmmaker & Teacher vimeo.com/carynyc Co-producer & cinematographer, *Acts of Witness* www.actsofwitness.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] reflexivity and Dziga Vertov
Self-reflexivity in Vertov is a very complex topic, not least in relation to the questions of how and when he ended up taking recourse to self-reflexivity, and why he never thematizes it in his manifesta and other theoretical writings. I've got a lot about this in my upcoming book on Vertov, but here's something that looks at the film and its reflexivity from a somewhat different angle: https://www.academia.edu/4090580/_Man_with_a_Movie_Camera_An_Introduction_ On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Francisco Torres wrote: > ''...the reflexive mode'' - that seems to apply to documentaries, and > TMWAMC may not be a documentary but something else. Maybe something like an > essay > > > 2014-11-23 20:48 GMT-04:00 Jonathan Walley : > > I’m not sure anything’s ever been written about DV/MWMC that *didn’t* >> address his/its reflexivity. Any source you consult will have something to >> say about it. Some recommended sources include: >> >> http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520056305 >> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199388707.do >> http://books.google.com/books/about/Documentary.html?id=qtZ91DNvgBMC >> >> This doesn’t mention TONS of scholarly essays on Vertov and MWMC. Lots to >> work with. >> JW >> >> Dr. Jonathan Walley >> Associate Professor >> Department of Cinema >> Denison University >> wall...@denison.edu >> >> >> On Nov 23, 2014, at 4:08 PM, jaime cleeland >> wrote: >> >> Hello, I am writing an academic essay about 'Man with the Movie Camera' >> . Any pointers on the reflexive mode within the film would be helpful. >> >> Jaime >> ___ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> >> >> ___ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] reflexivity and Dziga Vertov
''...the reflexive mode'' - that seems to apply to documentaries, and TMWAMC may not be a documentary but something else. Maybe something like an essay 2014-11-23 20:48 GMT-04:00 Jonathan Walley : > I’m not sure anything’s ever been written about DV/MWMC that *didn’t* > address his/its reflexivity. Any source you consult will have something to > say about it. Some recommended sources include: > > http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520056305 > http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199388707.do > http://books.google.com/books/about/Documentary.html?id=qtZ91DNvgBMC > > This doesn’t mention TONS of scholarly essays on Vertov and MWMC. Lots to > work with. > JW > > Dr. Jonathan Walley > Associate Professor > Department of Cinema > Denison University > wall...@denison.edu > > > On Nov 23, 2014, at 4:08 PM, jaime cleeland wrote: > > Hello, I am writing an academic essay about 'Man with the Movie Camera' > . Any pointers on the reflexive mode within the film would be helpful. > > Jaime > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] reflexivity and Dziga Vertov
And though it seems to have been forgotten, Vlada Petric's monograph on the film is the ideal primary source. Cambridge even recently put out a second edition. Constructivism in Film A Cinematic Analysis The Man with the Movie Camera | Media, mass communication Greg de Cuir, JrSelector/Curator, Alternative Film/Video Belgrade From: Jonathan Walley To: jaime cleeland ; Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] reflexivity and Dziga Vertov I’m not sure anything’s ever been written about DV/MWMC that didn’t address his/its reflexivity. Any source you consult will have something to say about it. Some recommended sources include: http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520056305http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199388707.dohttp://books.google.com/books/about/Documentary.html?id=qtZ91DNvgBMC This doesn’t mention TONS of scholarly essays on Vertov and MWMC. Lots to work with.JW Dr. Jonathan Walley Associate Professor Department of Cinema Denison University wall...@denison.edu On Nov 23, 2014, at 4:08 PM, jaime cleeland wrote: Hello, I am writing an academic essay about 'Man with the Movie Camera' . Any pointers on the reflexive mode within the film would be helpful. Jaime ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] reflexivity and Dziga Vertov
I’m not sure anything’s ever been written about DV/MWMC that didn’t address his/its reflexivity. Any source you consult will have something to say about it. Some recommended sources include: http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520056305 http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199388707.do http://books.google.com/books/about/Documentary.html?id=qtZ91DNvgBMC This doesn’t mention TONS of scholarly essays on Vertov and MWMC. Lots to work with. JW Dr. Jonathan Walley Associate Professor Department of Cinema Denison University wall...@denison.edu On Nov 23, 2014, at 4:08 PM, jaime cleeland wrote: > Hello, I am writing an academic essay about 'Man with the Movie Camera' . > Any pointers on the reflexive mode within the film would be helpful. > > Jaime > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] reflexivity and Dziga Vertov
read Vlada Petric, “Constructivism in Film” From: jaime cleeland Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 2:08 PM To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: [Frameworks] reflexivity and Dziga Vertov Hello, I am writing an academic essay about 'Man with the Movie Camera' . Any pointers on the reflexive mode within the film would be helpful. Jaime ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
