Re: HEADS UP: -CURRENT Feature Slush is OVER

2002-03-18 Thread Hellmuth Michaelis
From the keyboard of David O'Brien: On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 10:48:53AM +0100, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: Not taking into account (good) technical reasons, i am quite a bit concerned about the increasing tendency to a) use private repositories instead of the one and only repository every

Re: HEADS UP: -CURRENT Feature Slush is OVER

2002-03-17 Thread David O'Brien
On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 02:08:51PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: I hate this whole direction. I think it's an incredibly bad idea that we are not going to be able to reproduce what went onto any given CDROM in ten years. The source will be on the CDROM. Nor is there any major importance to

Re: HEADS UP: -CURRENT Feature Slush is OVER

2002-03-17 Thread Maxim Sobolev
On Sat, 2002-03-16 at 21:53, David O'Brien wrote: On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 04:43:47PM +0200, Maxim Sobolev wrote: primary goals in all of this are (1) to provide a usable preview of the 5.0-CURRENT code, and (2) to minimize the impact on -CURRENT developers. After evaluating several

Re: HEADS UP: -CURRENT Feature Slush is OVER

2002-03-17 Thread Murray Stokely
On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 02:08:51PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: I think it's an incredibly bad idea that we are not going to be able to reproduce what went onto any given CDROM in ten years. I agree that it is very important to be able to reproduce official releases of FreeBSD N years down

Re: HEADS UP: -CURRENT Feature Slush is OVER

2002-03-17 Thread Terry Lambert
David O'Brien wrote: On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 02:08:51PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: I hate this whole direction. I think it's an incredibly bad idea that we are not going to be able to reproduce what went onto any given CDROM in ten years. The source will be on the CDROM. Nor is

Re: HEADS UP: -CURRENT Feature Slush is OVER

2002-03-17 Thread Terry Lambert
Murray Stokely wrote: On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 02:08:51PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: I think it's an incredibly bad idea that we are not going to be able to reproduce what went onto any given CDROM in ten years. I agree that it is very important to be able to reproduce official

Re: HEADS UP: -CURRENT Feature Slush is OVER

2002-03-17 Thread Murray Stokely
On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 01:08:43AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: Minimally, pick a date, and then do a CVS diff against that date, and include it on the CDROM. I would be happy to do this. I checked out a copy of the CVS tree right before we made the Perforce branch so that we could tag it

Re: HEADS UP: -CURRENT Feature Slush is OVER

2002-03-17 Thread Hellmuth Michaelis
From the keyboard of Murray Stokely: tree for previous snapshots. We are actually moving more in the direction you advocate by at least moving the snapshot production into Perforce so that more developers can participate. Not taking into account (good) technical reasons, i am quite a bit

Re: HEADS UP: -CURRENT Feature Slush is OVER

2002-03-17 Thread Annelise Anderson
On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, David O'Brien wrote: On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 02:08:51PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: I hate this whole direction. I think it's an incredibly bad idea that we are not going to be able to reproduce what went onto any given CDROM in ten years. The source will be

Re: HEADS UP: -CURRENT Feature Slush is OVER

2002-03-17 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 02:13:16AM -0800, Annelise Anderson wrote: If a tag was laid down can't it be retrieved indefinitely? A non-branching tag? What am I missing? The tag will create a point in time in the CVS repository that cannot be ever changed. This is a restriction that we've

Re: HEADS UP: -CURRENT Feature Slush is OVER

2002-03-17 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 01:08:43AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: Imagine that you have the developer's prerelease, and you have a bug (because you're a developer who's using the pre-release). Now say you have become involved in the process, because the pre-release has done it's job. You

Re: HEADS UP: -CURRENT Feature Slush is OVER

2002-03-17 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 12:56:42AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: It seems to me that, at worst, this is being done to prove to the heathens that use of Perforce is a bad idea. It certainly is, if history is going to be lost, but that's not a result of the tool, here, it's a result of

Re: HEADS UP: -CURRENT Feature Slush is OVER

2002-03-17 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 1:15 AM -0800 3/17/02, Murray Stokely wrote: On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 01:08:43AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: Minimally, pick a date, and then do a CVS diff against that date, and include it on the CDROM. I would be happy to do this. I checked out a copy of the CVS tree right before we

Re: HEADS UP: -CURRENT Feature Slush is OVER

2002-03-17 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 8:35 AM -0800 3/17/02, David O'Brien wrote: My earlier concerns about the use of Perforce were when a developers expected other developers to use Perforce for _shared_ development. Or that tried to claim that their code was published if it was in the Perforce depot on Freefall. Exactly my

Re: HEADS UP: -CURRENT Feature Slush is OVER

2002-03-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message p05101511b8bab342dc49@[128.113.24.47], Garance A Drosihn writes: At 8:35 AM -0800 3/17/02, David O'Brien wrote: My earlier concerns about the use of Perforce were when a developers expected other developers to use Perforce for _shared_ development. Or that tried to claim that their

Re: HEADS UP: -CURRENT Feature Slush is OVER

2002-03-17 Thread Terry Lambert
Garance A Drosihn wrote: At 1:15 AM -0800 3/17/02, Murray Stokely wrote: On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 01:08:43AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: Minimally, pick a date, and then do a CVS diff against that date, and include it on the CDROM. I would be happy to do this. I checked out a copy

Re: HEADS UP: -CURRENT Feature Slush is OVER

2002-03-17 Thread Robert Watson
On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: Garance A Drosihn wrote: At 1:15 AM -0800 3/17/02, Murray Stokely wrote: On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 01:08:43AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: Minimally, pick a date, and then do a CVS diff against that date, and include it on the CDROM. I

Re: HEADS UP: -CURRENT Feature Slush is OVER

2002-03-16 Thread Maxim Sobolev
On Sat, 2002-03-16 at 13:18, Murray Stokely wrote: Thanks for your cooperation in keeping -CURRENT relatively stable over the past week. Due to a request from the CVS administrators, we are performing the code branch in the Perforce depot under //depot/releng/5_dp1/. Commits to this

Re: HEADS UP: -CURRENT Feature Slush is OVER

2002-03-16 Thread David O'Brien
On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 04:43:47PM +0200, Maxim Sobolev wrote: primary goals in all of this are (1) to provide a usable preview of the 5.0-CURRENT code, and (2) to minimize the impact on -CURRENT developers. After evaluating several different options, using Perforce was deemed the best

Re: HEADS UP: -CURRENT Feature Slush is OVER

2002-03-16 Thread Terry Lambert
Wow. I hate this whole direction. I think it's an incredibly bad idea that we are not going to be able to reproduce what went onto any given CDROM in ten years. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message