On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 10:57:12AM +0200, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote:
Shouldn't we encourage packages to use periodic(8) when possible?
Yes but our default periodic configuration in /etc/crontab is only
configured to be as granular as daily. If this is something that should
run hourly or
Adrian Chadd wrote, On 11/10/2013 01:18:
I'm kinda fed up installing packages that don't enable themselves.
There should be no package that needs activation, that is if you want a desktop
computer, not a server.
'pkg install xorg' is not enough to get a working xorg. You have to
enable hal
Am 10.11.2013 18:23, schrieb Warren Block:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013, Philipp Ost wrote:
Warren Block schrieb:
[...]
Given the above scenario, would it be acceptable to set the entry in
rc.conf, $portname_cron=YES, to $portname_cron=NO without touching the
modified files and inform the user about
On 11/09/13 21:23, Allan Jude wrote:
On 2013-11-09 21:13, Adrian Chadd wrote:
On 9 November 2013 17:58, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
Well, if the rc.conf config is specific to the daemon being installed by
the package, then the existing /etc/rc.conf.d/ system works fine, it
just
On 2013-11-10 09:04, George Mitchell wrote:
On 11/09/13 21:23, Allan Jude wrote:
On 2013-11-09 21:13, Adrian Chadd wrote:
On 9 November 2013 17:58, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
Well, if the rc.conf config is specific to the daemon being
installed by
the package, then the existing
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013, Daniel O'Connor wrote:
On 10 Nov 2013, at 24:24, Matthew Seaman matt...@freebsd.org wrote:
2) Should ports / packages populate these cron.d directories?
This is a much more interesting question. Effectively its asking
if a port / package should provide
On 2013-11-10 11:21, Warren Block wrote:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013, Daniel O'Connor wrote:
On 10 Nov 2013, at 24:24, Matthew Seaman matt...@freebsd.org wrote:
2) Should ports / packages populate these cron.d directories?
This is a much more interesting question. Effectively its asking
Warren Block schrieb:
[...]
ie either the file is named such that it is ignored by cron
(preferable IMO) or the entries in them are commented out.
Why not just use an additional entry in rc.conf?
rsnapshot_cron=YES
(If there is a /usr/local/etc/cron.d/rsnapshot, add it to cron on
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013, Philipp Ost wrote:
Warren Block schrieb:
[...]
ie either the file is named such that it is ignored by cron
(preferable IMO) or the entries in them are commented out.
Why not just use an additional entry in rc.conf?
rsnapshot_cron=YES
(If there is a
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
The point I'm making is this:
* when populating rc.conf.d/, don't just do 'cp' in a post-install script
* when populating the cron daemon entries in rc.cron.d, don't just
'cp' in a post-install script.
sounds like we
On 08/11/2013 04:51, Allan Jude wrote:
My use case is puppet etc, not ports/packages, so I'll leave the policy
about packages up to portsmgr@, I just want a less sloppy way to manage
crontabs with my orchestration system (and feature parity with Linux)
There's two questions here:
1) Should
On 10 Nov 2013, at 24:24, Matthew Seaman matt...@freebsd.org wrote:
2) Should ports / packages populate these cron.d directories?
This is a much more interesting question. Effectively its asking
if a port / package should provide some level of automatic
configuration
On 9 November 2013 16:05, Daniel O'Connor docon...@gsoft.com.au wrote:
On 10 Nov 2013, at 24:24, Matthew Seaman matt...@freebsd.org wrote:
2) Should ports / packages populate these cron.d directories?
This is a much more interesting question. Effectively its asking
if a port
On 10 Nov 2013, at 10:48, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:
ie either the file is named such that it is ignored by cron (preferable IMO)
or the entries in them are commented out.
I want the opposite.
I'm kinda fed up installing packages that don't enable themselves.
'pkg install
On 2013-11-09 19:18, Adrian Chadd wrote:
On 9 November 2013 16:05, Daniel O'Connor docon...@gsoft.com.au wrote:
On 10 Nov 2013, at 24:24, Matthew Seaman matt...@freebsd.org wrote:
2) Should ports / packages populate these cron.d directories?
This is a much more interesting question.
On 9 November 2013 16:28, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
Well, what about making these extra directories optional then?
packages install the crontab entries, but crond ignores them unless you add:
cron_flags=--scandir /etc/cron.d --scandir /usr/local/etc/cron.d
or something to
On 2013-11-09 20:05, Adrian Chadd wrote:
On 9 November 2013 16:28, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
Well, what about making these extra directories optional then?
packages install the crontab entries, but crond ignores them unless you add:
cron_flags=--scandir /etc/cron.d --scandir
On 9 November 2013 17:40, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
On 2013-11-09 20:05, Adrian Chadd wrote:
On 9 November 2013 16:28, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
Well, what about making these extra directories optional then?
packages install the crontab entries, but crond ignores
On 2013-11-09 20:55, Adrian Chadd wrote:
On 9 November 2013 17:40, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
On 2013-11-09 20:05, Adrian Chadd wrote:
On 9 November 2013 16:28, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
Well, what about making these extra directories optional then?
packages
On 9 November 2013 17:58, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
Well, if the rc.conf config is specific to the daemon being installed by
the package, then the existing /etc/rc.conf.d/ system works fine, it
just falls down a little on xorg configuring hald, unless you just make
the xorg
On 2013-11-09 21:13, Adrian Chadd wrote:
On 9 November 2013 17:58, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
Well, if the rc.conf config is specific to the daemon being installed by
the package, then the existing /etc/rc.conf.d/ system works fine, it
just falls down a little on xorg configuring
Den 07/11/2013 kl. 13.11 skrev Kimmo Paasiala kpaas...@gmail.com:
Snippets installed by ports should be disabled by default and
enabled only selectively by variables in rc.conf(5) or some other
configuration file to mirror what periodic(8) is doing now. This is
an absolute must because
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
On Nov 6, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Kimmo Paasiala kpaas...@gmail.com wrote:
What's wrong with using the existing tools for achieving the same
effect? Periodic can be adapted to do exactly what you're describing
as noted above
On 2013-11-07 07:11, Kimmo Paasiala wrote:
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
On Nov 6, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Kimmo Paasiala kpaas...@gmail.com wrote:
What's wrong with using the existing tools for achieving the same
effect? Periodic can be adapted to do
On Nov 7, 2013, at 9:13, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
Right. The best way to handle this is likely to have the ports install
the example cron to ${PREFIX}/share/portname/ or wherever else they
normally put examples, with instructions in the pkg-message on how to
enable the cron.
On 2013-11-07 22:39, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
On Nov 7, 2013, at 9:13, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
Right. The best way to handle this is likely to have the ports install
the example cron to ${PREFIX}/share/portname/ or wherever else they
normally put examples, with instructions in
On Nov 7, 2013, at 19:41, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
it really depends on the port and what the cron
is doing.
Why? Can you give some specific examples?
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On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
On Nov 7, 2013, at 19:41, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
it really depends on the port and what the cron
is doing.
Why? Can you give some specific examples?
I don't like the idea of having untracked files
On 2013-11-07 22:46, Kimmo Paasiala wrote:
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
On Nov 7, 2013, at 19:41, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
it really depends on the port and what the cron
is doing.
Why? Can you give some specific examples?
I don't
On Nov 7, 2013, at 19:46, Kimmo Paasiala kpaas...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't like the idea of having untracked files installed by the rc(8)
script. Why not install the cron.d snippet by default but leave
everything in it commented out with instructions at the beginning to
uncomment the
On 2013-11-07 23:48, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
On Nov 7, 2013, at 19:46, Kimmo Paasiala kpaas...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't like the idea of having untracked files installed by the rc(8)
script. Why not install the cron.d snippet by default but leave
everything in it commented out with
05.11.2013 20:21, Mark Felder wrote:
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013, at 11:37, Nikolai Lifanov wrote:
On 11/05/13 12:31, Allan Jude wrote:
This came up in discussion on IRC and I thought I should throw it at the
list so I don't forget.
A user was asking how to do what linux cron does, where there is a
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013, at 2:57, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote:
05.11.2013 20:21, Mark Felder wrote:
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013, at 11:37, Nikolai Lifanov wrote:
On 11/05/13 12:31, Allan Jude wrote:
This came up in discussion on IRC and I thought I should throw it at the
list so I don't forget.
On Nov 5, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
This came up in discussion on IRC and I thought I should throw it at the
list so I don't forget.
A user was asking how to do what linux cron does, where there is a
directory /etc/cron.d/ that packages and add files to to
Support for a cron.d directory is a tool that can be
used in many ways.
I have used cron.d on other UNIXen, and for package-installed cron jobs I find
it significantly friendlier, in that it makes these jobs easily identifiable to
the sysadmin.
As we do it now, the per-user crontabs are
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013, at 18:21, Tim Kientzle wrote:
On Nov 5, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
This came up in discussion on IRC and I thought I should throw it at the
list so I don't forget.
A user was asking how to do what linux cron does, where there is a
On 2013-11-06 20:49, Mark Felder wrote:
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013, at 18:21, Tim Kientzle wrote:
On Nov 5, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
This came up in discussion on IRC and I thought I should throw it at the
list so I don't forget.
A user was asking how to do what
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
On 2013-11-06 20:49, Mark Felder wrote:
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013, at 18:21, Tim Kientzle wrote:
On Nov 5, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
This came up in discussion on IRC and I thought I should
On 2013-11-06 22:49, Kimmo Paasiala wrote:
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
On 2013-11-06 20:49, Mark Felder wrote:
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013, at 18:21, Tim Kientzle wrote:
On Nov 5, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
This came up in
On Nov 6, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Kimmo Paasiala kpaas...@gmail.com wrote:
What's wrong with using the existing tools for achieving the same
effect? Periodic can be adapted to do exactly what you're describing
as noted above by adding an hourly (even minutely? :D ) periodic run.
Periodic is geared
This came up in discussion on IRC and I thought I should throw it at the
list so I don't forget.
A user was asking how to do what linux cron does, where there is a
directory /etc/cron.d/ that packages and add files to to create crontabs.
Making FreeBSD's cron (Vixie Cron) include /etc/cron.d/
On 11/05/13 12:31, Allan Jude wrote:
This came up in discussion on IRC and I thought I should throw it at the
list so I don't forget.
A user was asking how to do what linux cron does, where there is a
directory /etc/cron.d/ that packages and add files to to create crontabs.
Making
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013, at 11:37, Nikolai Lifanov wrote:
On 11/05/13 12:31, Allan Jude wrote:
This came up in discussion on IRC and I thought I should throw it at the
list so I don't forget.
A user was asking how to do what linux cron does, where there is a
directory /etc/cron.d/ that
On 2013-11-05 13:21, Mark Felder wrote:
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013, at 11:37, Nikolai Lifanov wrote:
On 11/05/13 12:31, Allan Jude wrote:
This came up in discussion on IRC and I thought I should throw it at the
list so I don't forget.
A user was asking how to do what linux cron does, where there
On 11/05/13 13:28, Allan Jude wrote:
On 2013-11-05 13:21, Mark Felder wrote:
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013, at 11:37, Nikolai Lifanov wrote:
On 11/05/13 12:31, Allan Jude wrote:
This came up in discussion on IRC and I thought I should throw it at the
list so I don't forget.
A user was asking how to
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