Re: some woes about rc.conf.site

1999-02-08 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 12:48:13PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: I hate it unreservedly. If we need a source of seeded default values, we should have rc.conf.default, uncommented, read-only. rc.conf is where people expect to make their changes, and it is immensely bogus to have sysinstall

man page for syscons(4)

1999-02-08 Thread Kazutaka YOKOTA
I wrote a draft man page for syscons(4). (It's not as comprehensive as it should be, though.) http://www.freebsd.org/~yokota/syscons.4 Please review the draft and give me some comments. We shall add it to RELENG_3 before 3.1 comes out, if possible. Kazu To Unsubscribe: send mail to

Re: Floppy Tape Driver.....

1999-02-08 Thread Vallo Kallaste
On Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 02:03:58PM -0800, Mike Holling m...@ees.com wrote: Hmm.. I don't believe this can be true however. I do not program but I do run current on my workstation, it's just plain interesting thing to do. Just my opinion. If you're running -current, you should at least

Boot problems with -CURRENT and -STABLE tree

1999-02-08 Thread Vladimir G. Drobyshevsky
hello! I have some critical problems with fbsd. When I try to boot with fbsd install disk (boot.flp), my system is halt. I tried different versions of fbsd from 2.2.8R and 3.0-STABLE till 4.0-CURRENT. I have IBM server, model 8640ES0, with PPro 200, 128 MB RAM, SCSII-adapter AIC-7880 (it was

RE: was: some woes about rc.conf.site

1999-02-08 Thread paul
-Original Message- From: Christopher Masto [mailto:ch...@netmonger.net] Sent: 07 February 1999 20:14 To: curr...@freebsd.org Subject: Re: was: some woes about rc.conf.site I haven't used it yet, but I definately think the idea is an improvement. I hate trying to update /etc

Re: some woes about rc.conf.site

1999-02-08 Thread Lauri Laupmaa
On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Mike Smith wrote: I hate it unreservedly. If we need a source of seeded default values, we should have rc.conf.default, uncommented, read-only. rc.conf is Absolutely...agreed! _ Lauri Laupmaa ...speaking for myself only... To Unsubscribe: send mail to

Re: [Call for Review] new ioctl for src/sys/pccard/*

1999-02-08 Thread Jun Kuriyama
Thank you for your comment. Mike Smith wrote: But this diagram worries me. Does this explicitly disallow physical removal without a preceeding virtual removal? No. This is for card such as: o Some cards go unstable when it is removed from slot with power on. But turning off the power

Re: [Call for Review] new ioctl for src/sys/pccard/*

1999-02-08 Thread Jun Kuriyama
Thank you for your comment. Nate Williams wrote: The patch implementing these changes are adequate in the kernel, but are incomplete. Yes, I should have attached patch for usr.sbin/pccard/* too. What about the changes to usr.sbin/pccard/*? With regard to the power-on modifications, it is

Identd problems

1999-02-08 Thread Peter Cox
'lo all - On Friday, I did a make world from that day's sources. The previous build had been in early December I think. Anyway, once I got the new sources down and compiled I started seeing funny problems with identd (2.8.2) - telnetting to the identd port would work fine, but IRC servers

Re: [Call for Review] new ioctl for src/sys/pccard/*

1999-02-08 Thread Nate Williams
Nate Williams wrote: The patch implementing these changes are adequate in the kernel, but are incomplete. Yes, I should have attached patch for usr.sbin/pccard/* too. The changes to pccardd to support the new 'inactive' flag are still missing. We can power the slot on/off, but pccardd is

Re: some woes about rc.conf.site

1999-02-08 Thread Andreas Klemm
On Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 04:33:00PM -0800, Parag Patel wrote: Because rc.conf contains configuration variables, whereas rc contains commands to execute at boot time. Then I would suggest renaming rc.conf to be rc.vars or rc.config-vars or something more appropriate than rc.conf, which

Re: imgact_shell.c ENOEXEC

1999-02-08 Thread Archie Cobbs
Tony Kimball writes: : Imagine this: : : $ file /tmp/test.sh : /tmp/test.sh: a /tmp/test.sh script text : $ /tmp/test.sh Won't this just fail when the recursion level is such that the command length exceeds stringspace? Ah, I see the difference: /*

Re: some woes about rc.conf.site

1999-02-08 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
Hopefully that is now fixed. It is. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message

HEADS UP: CVSup SetAttrs messages

1999-02-08 Thread John Polstra
Replies to curr...@freebsd.org only, please. I am doing some final beta testing before releasing a new version of CVSup. When you run your next CVSup update from a FreeBSD mirror site, you may find that it spews out a whole bunch of SetAttrs messages. Or, maybe not. :-) It depends on a lot of

Re: SKIP on 3.0 ? lkm vs kld = SOL ?

1999-02-08 Thread Archie Cobbs
Mike Tancsa writes: OK, looking back at some of the threads, it seems I am hosed since the ELF cannot load klds ? Is that correct ? Are there any other options for VPN on the 3.0 branch ? SKIP wasnt/isnt the greatest, but I had decent luck with it on the 2.2 branch of things... I hope to

Tracking a Fatal Double Fault

1999-02-08 Thread tcobb
Can someone please give me a short guide on how to track down a fatal double fault? System is 3.0-19990205-STABLE, and I've written down the fault info. Thanks, -Troy Cobb Circle Net, Inc. http://www.circle.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe

adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread David O'Brien
I am planning on adding the Wide-DHCP client to src/contrib/ and src/sbin/ in a few days. I have it bmaked and ready go to. I have choosen the WIDE client because it is much smaller space-wise than the ISC client and its configuration is simplier. The plan is to make a boot floppy / boot CDROM

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Joe Abley
On Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 02:28:20PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: I am planning on adding the Wide-DHCP client to src/contrib/ and src/sbin/ in a few days. I have it bmaked and ready go to. I have choosen the WIDE client because it is much smaller space-wise than the ISC client and its

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Andreas Braukmann
Hi, On Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 02:28:20PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: I am planning on adding the Wide-DHCP client to src/contrib/ and src/sbin/ in a few days. speaking about DHCP-things (clients and servers) I would like to hear from some 'export' on choosing a the 'right' dhcp-software for

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Steve Kargl
Joe Abley wrote: On Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 02:28:20PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: I am planning on adding the Wide-DHCP client to src/contrib/ and src/sbin/ in a few days. I have it bmaked and ready go to. I have choosen the WIDE client because it is much smaller space-wise than the ISC

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Mike Holling
speaking about DHCP-things (clients and servers) I would like to hear from some 'export' on choosing a the 'right' dhcp-software for FreeBSD. I'm mostly interested in choosing the server part. In the past I deployed only the wide-dhcp server from the ports collection; but only because I

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Daniel Eischen
I am planning on adding the Wide-DHCP client to src/contrib/ and src/sbin/ in a few days. I have it bmaked and ready go to. I have choosen the WIDE client because it is much smaller space-wise than the ISC client and its configuration is simplier. I tried both, and I must say that ISC

Re: Tracking a Fatal Double Fault

1999-02-08 Thread Mike Smith
Can someone please give me a short guide on how to track down a fatal double fault? System is 3.0-19990205-STABLE, and I've written down the fault info. Ack. It's actually pretty difficult. You can start by trying to locate the PC for the fault in the kernel image, but the typical cause

gpib driver - does anybody use it?

1999-02-08 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
I stumbled upon the (undocumented) gpib driver today - apparently for the National Instruments AT-GPIB and AT-GPIB/TNT board, according to LINT. Apart from staticization sweeps, -Wall fixes and the like, nobody's touched it since 1995. Does anybody have an AT-GPIB board, or even know what it is?

RE: Tracking a Fatal Double Fault

1999-02-08 Thread tcobb
The machine is running a custom kernel, but nothing very unusual. My instinct is that it may be related to something with the 3c905B 3COM cards that I reported earlier, I'm trying with Intel EtherExpresses right now and getting no fault problems. The double-fault does not occur consistently,

Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?

1999-02-08 Thread Mike Smith
I stumbled upon the (undocumented) gpib driver today - apparently for the National Instruments AT-GPIB and AT-GPIB/TNT board, according to LINT. Apart from staticization sweeps, -Wall fixes and the like, nobody's touched it since 1995. Does anybody have an AT-GPIB board, or even know what it

Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?

1999-02-08 Thread Brian Handy
I stumbled upon the (undocumented) gpib driver today - apparently for the National Instruments AT-GPIB and AT-GPIB/TNT board, according to LINT. Apart from staticization sweeps, -Wall fixes and the like, nobody's touched it since 1995. Does anybody have an AT-GPIB board, or even know what it is?

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Steve Kargl s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu writes: On Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 02:28:20PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: I am planning on adding the Wide-DHCP client to src/contrib/ and src/sbin/ in a few days. [...] These should be left has ports. If we want FreeBSD to have any credibility

Re: Tracking a Fatal Double Fault

1999-02-08 Thread Mike Smith
The machine is running a custom kernel, but nothing very unusual. My instinct is that it may be related to something with the 3c905B 3COM cards that I reported earlier, I'm trying with Intel EtherExpresses right now and getting no fault problems. The double-fault does not occur

Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?

1999-02-08 Thread Steve Kargl
Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: I stumbled upon the (undocumented) gpib driver today - apparently for the National Instruments AT-GPIB and AT-GPIB/TNT board, according to LINT. Apart from staticization sweeps, -Wall fixes and the like, nobody's touched it since 1995. Does anybody have an AT-GPIB

Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?

1999-02-08 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Steve Kargl s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu writes: Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: I stumbled upon the (undocumented) gpib driver today [...] Actually, John Galbraith j...@ece.arizona.edu has written a better driver for the National Instrument GPIB cards. Search the hardware mailing list for

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Steve Kargl
Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Steve Kargl s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu writes: On Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 02:28:20PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: I am planning on adding the Wide-DHCP client to src/contrib/ and src/sbin/ in a few days. [...] These should be left has ports. If we

Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?

1999-02-08 Thread Julian Elischer
Judging by the traffic on it over the last year it's in use widely. On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Brian Handy wrote: I stumbled upon the (undocumented) gpib driver today - apparently for the National Instruments AT-GPIB and AT-GPIB/TNT board, according to LINT. Apart from staticization sweeps, -Wall

buildworld failure in /usr/src/sys/i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c

1999-02-08 Thread Randy Bush
4.0 -current touch opt_spx_hack.h cc -O -pipe -DCOMPAT_IBCS2 -DKERNEL -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I- -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/modules/ibcs2

Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?

1999-02-08 Thread Steve Kargl
Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Steve Kargl s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu writes: Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: I stumbled upon the (undocumented) gpib driver today [...] Actually, John Galbraith j...@ece.arizona.edu has written a better driver for the National Instrument GPIB cards. Search

Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?

1999-02-08 Thread John Galbraith
Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: Steve Kargl s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu writes: Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: I stumbled upon the (undocumented) gpib driver today [...] Actually, John Galbraith j...@ece.arizona.edu has written a better driver for the National Instrument GPIB cards.

Re: Tracking a Fatal Double Fault

1999-02-08 Thread Chuck Robey
On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Mike Smith wrote: The machine is running a custom kernel, but nothing very unusual. My instinct is that it may be related to something with the 3c905B 3COM cards that I reported earlier, I'm trying with Intel EtherExpresses right now and getting no fault problems.

RE: Tracking a Fatal Double Fault

1999-02-08 Thread tcobb
So a double-fault is always a kernel stack problem? I find it suspicious that this same machine also had trouble with the 3c905B flaking out -- dropping packets during an ifconfig alias, and sometimes never reactivating the interface according to what tcpdump shows. The 3c905B problem repeates

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Steve Kargl s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu writes: Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: If we want FreeBSD to have any credibility as a workstation OS, we need DHCP. It should be possible for a user or admin to smack in the boot floppy, have it autoconfigure the selected network interface, and

Re: some woes about rc.conf.site

1999-02-08 Thread David Wolfskill
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 12:48:13 -0800 From: Mike Smith m...@smith.net.au What do you think ? Or what are your experiences ? I hate it unreservedly. If we need a source of seeded default values, we should have rc.conf.default, uncommented, read-only. rc.conf is where people expect to make

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Mike Holling
If we want FreeBSD to have any credibility as a workstation OS, we need DHCP. It should be possible for a user or admin to smack in the boot floppy, have it autoconfigure the selected network interface, and perform an FTP installation. So, we'll import a pop server, apache, g77, ad

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 09-Feb-99 Steve Kargl wrote: So, we'll import a pop server, apache, g77, ad nauseam to increase the credibility of FreeBSD as a workstation OS. Yes, of course, I need a pop server to install freesbsd.. NOT. Lots of places use DHCP and in some cases you can't actually use the network

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Julian Elischer
I agree. having a DHCP client can make the difference between being able to get ont he net at all and not being able to get on the net. On 9 Feb 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Steve Kargl s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu writes: Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: If we want FreeBSD to have

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Andreas Braukmann
Hi, ...sorry, I just didn't get it ... On Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 04:32:39PM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: I am planning on adding the Wide-DHCP client to src/contrib/ and ^^ ^^^

ibcs2_ipc.c compile failure

1999-02-08 Thread John W. DeBoskey
Hi, I beleive version 1.14 of ibcs2_ipc.c is bad. I've been receiving the following error(s) when trying to comile it: Thanks! John cc -nostdinc -O -pipe -DCOMPAT_IBCS2 -DKERNEL -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Patrick Hartling
Mike Holling m...@ees.com wrote: } If we want FreeBSD to have any credibility as a workstation OS, we } need DHCP. It should be possible for a user or admin to smack in the } boot floppy, have it autoconfigure the selected network interface, and } perform an FTP installation. This would

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Steve Kargl
Mike Holling wrote: If we want FreeBSD to have any credibility as a workstation OS, we need DHCP. It should be possible for a user or admin to smack in the boot floppy, have it autoconfigure the selected network interface, and perform an FTP installation. So, we'll import a pop

Re: emacs directories in BSD.local.dist

1999-02-08 Thread Satoshi Asami
* Just curious as to why share/emacs and share/emacs/site-lisp are created by * BSD.local.dist instead of by the emacs ports which might want to use them? * It's not a big deal, but it seems to me that these aren't useful for the * general case of someone not wanting to install an emacs port

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Matthew Dillon
:Mike Holling wrote: : :It will probably go into /sbin, /bin, or /stand. These are statically :linked exacutables. : : I built a static version of the WIDE client and server, both were only : around 140K. What's the problem? It's not like putting emacs in the base : install or anything. I

new freebsd news site

1999-02-08 Thread moof
http://www.roms.cx - new freebsd news website, updated daily. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Garrett Wollman
On Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:32:39 -0800 (PST), Steve Kargl s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu said: So, we'll import a pop server, apache, g77, ad nauseam to increase the credibility of FreeBSD as a workstation OS. None of those things are required to get a machine onto the network. DHCP is, in a

new default options for the Qlogic ISP host adapter...

1999-02-08 Thread Matthew Jacob
this causes the generation of opt_isp.h, and so you'll need to reconfig To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message

Re: emacs directories in BSD.local.dist

1999-02-08 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Satoshi Asami wrote: * Just curious as to why share/emacs and share/emacs/site-lisp are created by * BSD.local.dist instead of by the emacs ports which might want to use them? * It's not a big deal, but it seems to me that these aren't useful for the * general case of

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread David O'Brien
I'm mostly interested in choosing the server part. I am NOT importing the server. Only the client and that is because it is required to get booted enought to install FreeBSD and to install packages. -- -- David(obr...@nuxi.com -or- obr...@freebsd.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread David O'Brien
These should be left has ports. Explain how I am to install FreeBSD at my campus when DHCP has been mandated. Many univ. are moving in this direction. -- -- David(obr...@nuxi.com -or- obr...@freebsd.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread David O'Brien
So, we'll import a pop server, apache, g77, ad nauseam to increase the credibility of FreeBSD as a workstation OS. NO. Again, the problem is boot strapping. If you lived in a DHCP world (and not in control of it) you would understand. -- -- David(obr...@nuxi.com -or-

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread David O'Brien
Or would you rather have FreeBSD be like RedHat, where you have to install an RPM for just about everything? Actually RedHat's boot floopy has a BOOTP client and thus the Linux weenies on campus don't have the bootstrapping problem the FreeBSD users do. -- -- David(obr...@nuxi.com -or-

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Matthew Dillon
: : Or would you rather have FreeBSD be like RedHat, where you have to : install an RPM for just about everything? : :Actually RedHat's boot floopy has a BOOTP client and thus the Linux :weenies on campus don't have the bootstrapping problem the FreeBSD users :do. : :-- :-- David

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread David O'Brien
:Actually RedHat's boot floopy has a BOOTP client and thus the Linux :weenies on campus don't have the bootstrapping problem the FreeBSD users :do. I'm not sure I follow this. FreeBSD's kernel can be compiled up as a BOOTP client too. Sorry, add to that, and their sysinstall

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread W Gerald Hicks
From: David O'Brien obr...@nuxi.com Subject: Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:27:57 -0800 These should be left has ports. Explain how I am to install FreeBSD at my campus when DHCP has been mandated. Many univ. are moving in this direction. Make sysinstall

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread David O'Brien
Make sysinstall be able to pkg_add? We do something similar to that And just WHERE is the package?? Often on an NFS or FTP server, no?? And just HOW am I to communicate with that NFS or FTP server?? -- -- David(obr...@nuxi.com -or- obr...@freebsd.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to

cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x )

1999-02-08 Thread Matthew Dillon
This does not make any operational change except to get rid of the $conf_dir junk from rc.conf, which I originally put in to try to bootstrap rc.diskless. A much better way to do rc.diskless was suggested to me, which I'm going to implement. It involves retargeting the

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 6:02 PM -0800 2/8/99, Steve Kargl wrote: Mike Holling wrote: ... What's the problem? It's not like putting emacs in the base install or anything. I still run FreeBSD on a 386/40 with a 40M MFM main drive, and even so I'm not worried about the bloat of adding DHCP. Bloat by any other

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread W Gerald Hicks
From: David O'Brien obr...@nuxi.com Make sysinstall be able to pkg_add? We do something similar to that And just WHERE is the package?? Often on an NFS or FTP server, no?? And just HOW am I to communicate with that NFS or FTP server?? Sorry. It's got to go somewhere offline. If not in

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
These should be left has ports. Can't really get away with that anymore - too many people require DHCP for very basic bootstrapping. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
Make sysinstall be able to pkg_add? We do something similar to It can already pkg_add. However, I need dhcp in the crunched image since I can't very well GET a package if I don't have any bloody IP addresses to configure the network interface with and the user doesn't know what they are

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Geoff Rehmet
Steve Kargl writes : Content-Type: text/BLOAT These should be left has ports. I can understand the people who need DHCP to get their systems up. OTOH, where does one draw the line. Is DHCP core functionality? Another issue to be taken into account: there is already a bootp daemon in the

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Sean Eric Fagan
In article 19990209074440.15845.qmail.kithrup.freebsd.curr...@rucus.ru.ac.za you write: Is DHCP core functionality? As much as an editor and PPP are, yes -- without it, some people simply *cannot* get on the net. Anyone putting any DHCP functionality in should look very seriously at any

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Steve Kargl
David O'Brien wrote: Make sysinstall be able to pkg_add? We do something similar to that And just WHERE is the package?? Often on an NFS or FTP server, no?? And just HOW am I to communicate with that NFS or FTP server?? Drop FreeBSD cd-rom into tray (or caddy). mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0a

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Steve Kargl
David O'Brien wrote: So, we'll import a pop server, apache, g77, ad nauseam to increase the credibility of FreeBSD as a workstation OS. NO. Again, the problem is boot strapping. If you lived in a DHCP world (and not in control of it) you would understand. I do live in a dhcp world,

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 09-Feb-99 Steve Kargl wrote: And just WHERE is the package?? Often on an NFS or FTP server, no?? And just HOW am I to communicate with that NFS or FTP server?? Drop FreeBSD cd-rom into tray (or caddy). mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0a /mnt pkg_add dhcp umount /mnt Excuse me sir.. I am but a

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Steve Kargl
David O'Brien wrote: These should be left has ports. Explain how I am to install FreeBSD at my campus when DHCP has been mandated. Many univ. are moving in this direction. Maybe, support WC by purchasing the cd-rom? Convince your University to get a large quantity of cd-roms from WC

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Gary Palmer
Steve Kargl wrote in message ID 199902090600.waa65...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu: Drop FreeBSD cd-rom into tray (or caddy). mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0a /mnt pkg_add dhcp umount /mnt So you are suggesting we no longer supporting FTP installs? Do you realise what impact that would have? I guess

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Mike Holling
David O'Brien wrote: These should be left has ports. Explain how I am to install FreeBSD at my campus when DHCP has been mandated. Many univ. are moving in this direction. Maybe, support WC by purchasing the cd-rom? Convince your University to get a large quantity of cd-roms

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Gary Palmer
Steve Kargl wrote in message ID 199902090603.waa65...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu: I do live in a dhcp world, but our net admins appreciate the fact my machines are up 7/24 and serve my research group, so they have given me a fixed ip. That argument won't work with Media-One, Roadrunner,

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread John Birrell
Steve Kargl wrote: David O'Brien wrote: These should be left has ports. Explain how I am to install FreeBSD at my campus when DHCP has been mandated. Many univ. are moving in this direction. Maybe, support WC by purchasing the cd-rom? Convince your University to get a large

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Charlie ROOT
Wrong! The dhcp client is ESSENTIAL to boot floppies for modern use. As for bloat, one man's bloat is another's essential material :-( On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Steve Kargl wrote: Joe Abley wrote: On Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 02:28:20PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: I am planning on adding the

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Charlie ROOT
Remember that the client, relay, and server are all independent items. Each MUST meet the same RFC specification. On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Andreas Braukmann wrote: On Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 02:28:20PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: I am planning on adding the Wide-DHCP client to src/contrib/ and I'm

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Charlie ROOT
I am glad to see some SOME version of the dhcp client included in base floppies. However, I must take exception to David's choice for any purpose other than single floppy situations. Although it is somewhat larger, the ISC dhcp2 client has significantly more flexability WRT options beyond the

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 09-Feb-99 Charlie ROOT wrote: Further, the assertion that it is easier to configure the WIDE client is WRONG. The ISC CLIENT requires NO configuration. I don't see how anything can be simpler. :-) Hmmm.. This annoyed me actually.. There is NO config file which means its damn annoying

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Steve Kargl
Gary Palmer wrote: Steve Kargl wrote in message ID 199902090600.waa65...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu: Drop FreeBSD cd-rom into tray (or caddy). mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0a /mnt pkg_add dhcp umount /mnt [watch the long lines] So you are suggesting we no longer supporting FTP installs? Do

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Geoff Rehmet
Sean Eric Fagan writes : In article 19990209074440.15845.qmail.kithrup.freebsd.curr...@rucus.ru.ac.za you write: Is DHCP core functionality? As much as an editor and PPP are, yes -- without it, some people simply *cannot* get on the net. Your point is valid. Before it goes in, there are

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Steve Kargl
John Birrell wrote: Steve Kargl wrote: David O'Brien wrote: These should be left has ports. Explain how I am to install FreeBSD at my campus when DHCP has been mandated. Many univ. are moving in this direction. Maybe, support WC by purchasing the cd-rom? Convince

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Steve Kargl
Gary Palmer wrote: Steve Kargl wrote in message ID 199902090603.waa65...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu: I do live in a dhcp world, but our net admins appreciate the fact my machines are up 7/24 and serve my research group, so they have given me a fixed ip. That argument won't work with

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread John Birrell
Steve Kargl wrote: David's original email said he was going to commit without giving a justification. I call it bloat, then the justifications pour in. I'm now convinced it may be a good thing with a security audit. However, if every committer starting to push his (pet) software as

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Steve Kargl
Daniel O'Connor wrote: On 09-Feb-99 Steve Kargl wrote: And just WHERE is the package?? Often on an NFS or FTP server, no?? And just HOW am I to communicate with that NFS or FTP server?? Drop FreeBSD cd-rom into tray (or caddy). mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0a /mnt pkg_add dhcp umount

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Sean Eric Fagan
In article xfmail.990209165224.doconnor.kithrup.freebsd.curr...@gsoft.com.au you write: Hmmm.. This annoyed me actually.. There is NO config file which means its damn annoying for you to tweak how it works.. Would you please settle on a set of misinformation and stick with it? isc-dhcp's

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 09-Feb-99 Steve Kargl wrote: Or I'd like to play with FreeBSD, but I'd rather not fork out US$30 for something I haven't tested. Cheapbytes. Argument still holds.. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Sean Eric Fagan
In article 19990209082922.17759.qmail.kithrup.freebsd.curr...@rucus.ru.ac.za you write: - DHCP-WIDE requires you to have bpf configured into your kernel for a GENERIC kernel, this is VERY BAD - is there a more elegant way to handle this? I certainly would not like to see the generic

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 09-Feb-99 Sean Eric Fagan wrote: There is NO config file which means its damn annoying for you to tweak how it works.. Would you please settle on a set of misinformation and stick with it? Argh! Damn I got WIDE and ISC confused.. AGAIN.. My aplogies.. OK, lets do ISC instead of WIDE :)

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Gary Palmer
Steve Kargl wrote in message ID 199902090634.waa65...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu: Then, *BUY* the cd-rom and support the FreeBSD project. All that would happen would be that ppl will see `oh, no DHCP support on install. Better go with that linux dist which supports it' and we lose support.

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Mike Holling
That argument won't work with Media-One, Roadrunner, RCN, etc who just simply *DO* *NOT* *SUPPORT* *STATIC* *IP* *ASSIGNMENTS*. How can we make this any clearer to you? Its fine to say `I don't want to see DHCP in the base system' when you have the choice of getting a static IP. A lot of

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Richard Wackerbarth
On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Daniel O'Connor wrote: On 09-Feb-99 Charlie ROOT wrote: Further, the assertion that it is easier to configure the WIDE client is WRONG. The ISC CLIENT requires NO configuration. I don't see how anything can be simpler. :-) Hmmm.. This annoyed me actually..

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Geoff Rehmet
Sean Eric Fagan writes : There's really no other way to do it: you need the ability to grab packets that come from an unidentified machine, which doesn't have an IP address. You could write some other method of doing this -- and then put it into every single ethernet (et al) device driver --

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Mike Smith
On 09-Feb-99 Charlie ROOT wrote: Further, the assertion that it is easier to configure the WIDE client is WRONG. The ISC CLIENT requires NO configuration. I don't see how anything can be simpler. :-) Hmmm.. This annoyed me actually.. There is NO config file which means its damn

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Mike Smith
- DHCP-WIDE requires you to have bpf configured into your kernel for a GENERIC kernel, this is VERY BAD - is there a more elegant way to handle this? I certainly would not like to see the generic kernel in the distribution going out into the world with bpf enabled. That's not VERY

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Mike Smith
Daniel O'Connor wrote: On 09-Feb-99 Steve Kargl wrote: And just WHERE is the package?? Often on an NFS or FTP server, no?? And just HOW am I to communicate with that NFS or FTP server?? Drop FreeBSD cd-rom into tray (or caddy). mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0a /mnt pkg_add dhcp

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Sean Eric Fagan
In article 19990209091330.18608.qmail.kithrup.freebsd.curr...@rucus.ru.ac.za you write: I would still be very reticent to see BPF in a generic kernel because of the security implications. I'm sorry, but that's a complete non-issue: 1. /dev/bpf0 is mode 400, root.wheel -- to read it, you need

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-08 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to Steve Kargl: So, we'll import a pop server, apache, g77, ad nauseam to increase the credibility of FreeBSD as a workstation OS. No but if you want to install from a cable modem (they're becoming quite common these days, even in France), you _need_ it. Period. I'm as much

Re: buildworld failure in /usr/src/sys/i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c

1999-02-08 Thread Maxim Sobolev
I also have this problem Randy Bush wrote: 4.0 -current touch?? opt_spx_hack.h cc -O -pipe -DCOMPAT_IBCS2? -DKERNEL -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes? -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual? -fformat-extensions -ansi -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc

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