Re: Page faults from bento cluster (Re: Problems reading vmcores)

2002-09-01 Thread Don Lewis
On 31 Aug, Kris Kennaway wrote: panic: page fault panic messages: --- Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x4 Looks like a NULL structure pointer dereference. It looks like the access is four bytes into the structure. #7 0xc021d91f in

sparc64 tinderbox failure

2002-09-01 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
-- Rebuilding the temporary build tree -- stage 1: bootstrap tools -- stage 2: cleaning up the object tree

Re: Page faults from bento cluster (Re: Problems reading vmcores)

2002-09-01 Thread Don Lewis
On 31 Aug, Kris Kennaway wrote: Another page fault in umount I haven't seen any reports of this one before. #6 0xc0399a48 in calltrap () at {standard input}:98 #7 0xc029198d in vflush (mp=0xc5e6, rootrefs=0, flags=2) at vnode_if.h:309 #8 0xc0200eaa in devfs_unmount (mp=0xc5e6,

Re: i386 tinderbox failure

2002-09-01 Thread Scott Long
On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 10:31:15PM -0700, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: -- [...] -- Kernel build for GENERIC started on Sat Aug 31 22:28:29 PDT 2002

Re: Page faults from bento cluster (Re: Problems reading vmcores)

2002-09-01 Thread Bruce Evans
On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Don Lewis wrote: This code in vflush() bothers me: mtx_lock(mntvnode_mtx); loop: for (vp = TAILQ_FIRST(mp-mnt_nvnodelist); vp; vp = nvp) { /* * Make sure this vnode wasn't reclaimed in getnewvnode(). *

Re: sshd doesn't log hostname into utmp correctly

2002-09-01 Thread Hajimu UMEMOTO
Hi, Thu, 01 Aug 2002 16:39:45 +0900 の刻に「ume」、すなわち Hajimu UMEMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] 氏曰く ume Current sshd doesn't handle actual size of struct sockaddr correctly, ume and does copy it as long as just size of struct sockaddr. So, sshd ume deesn't log hostname into

Re: gcc 3.1 / streambuf.h broken with using namespace std;

2002-09-01 Thread leimy2k
On Saturday, August 31, 2002, at 06:04 PM, Terry Lambert wrote: David O'Brien wrote: Because rather than leaving it alone for a while, they are already planning a 3.3. 8-). And comments on this list to that effect. I don't follow. The GCC group branches previous to a release and

Re: gcc 3.1 / streambuf.h broken with using namespace std;

2002-09-01 Thread Terry Lambert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ ... ] I guess the fear is that, if they are willing to destroy binary compatability between point releases, with another point release in the wings, it would be risky to pick the point release one behind to standardise upon. There will hopefully always be

Re: 5.0 release schedule?

2002-09-01 Thread Rob
David O'Brien wrote: On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 09:28:20AM -0400, Bosko Milekic wrote: I think we're on our way to stabilizing -CURRENT enough for a DP2 soon. I would sit and wait it out just a tad longer. :-) A 5.0 DP2 branch was created just yesterday. So how ever good

hw.pci.enable_io_modes default value.

2002-09-01 Thread Marc Fonvieille
Hello, I had freeze at boot problem with my laptop and -CURRENT: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=42262 I found the solution: setting hw.pci.enable_io_modes to 0. So I have a question: that sysctl has to be =1 by default? I mean if I have that issue with it and my laptop, maybe I'll

i386 tinderbox failure

2002-09-01 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
-- Rebuilding the temporary build tree -- stage 1: bootstrap tools -- stage 2: cleaning up the object tree

Re: gcc 3.1 / streambuf.h broken with using namespace std;

2002-09-01 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 07:41:24AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it was the general consensus that the 3.1 version of the compiler was broken, and generated bad code, and that the 3.2 compiler had a lot of these problems corrected, but destroyed binary compatability with 3.1.

Re: gcc 3.1 / streambuf.h broken with using namespace std;

2002-09-01 Thread leimy2k
It is *that* simple. yep. Rather than bitch that 3.1.1 sucks; we should thanking the GCC Steering Committee that after much thought they were willing to take the vendors' needs into account. I am not sure FreeBSD would have done the same. I never said it sucked... I think the ABI

Re: gcc 3.3 [Was streambuf.h broken ... ]

2002-09-01 Thread Jim Brown
* David O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-01 14:31]: [snip] It was my understanding that FreeBSD 5.0 release was not going to be GCC 3.3 (because GCC 3.3 would not be released in time for FreeBSD to not be pulling a RedHat if they shipped a beta and called it 3.3) , might be GCC

Re: gcc 3.1 / streambuf.h broken with using namespace std;

2002-09-01 Thread Lamont Granquist
On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, David O'Brien wrote: 3.3.0 will be released before FreeBSD 5.1. It is my advice to FreeBSD'ville that we go with a GCC 3.3 snapshot for FBSD 5.0 and a GCC 3.3.0 release for FBSD 5.1. That way we can get the new features of 3.3 into our 5.x branch. AND get bug fixes by

HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Alexander Kabaev
I will import GCC 3.2 snapshot from the top of FSF gcc-3_2-branch in about ten minutes. This task should not take long to complete, but since this is the first time I am doing it, there is good possibility of unexpected delays, so please be patient. Please respond immediately if you feel

Re: Page faults from bento cluster (Re: Problems reading vmcores)

2002-09-01 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 11:30:32PM -0700, Don Lewis wrote: I've seen other reports of similar crashes on the list. What version of imgact_elf.c is this? $FreeBSD: src/sys/kern/imgact_elf.c,v 1.111 2002/06/02 20:05:54 schweikh Exp $ Kris msg42383/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

bind 9.x import before 5.0-RELEASE

2002-09-01 Thread Giovanni P. Tirloni
Hi, Do we have any plans to import bind 9.x into the base system before the 5.0 release date. AFAIK it should break some tools that rely on the resolver library. Is that correct? I could not find any previous thread about this on both current and hackers mailing list archives. Thanks in

panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch

2002-09-01 Thread Kris Kennaway
Core available on request. Kris panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch panic messages: --- panic: ffs_clusteralloc: map mismatch Uptime: 23m31s Dumping 510 MB ata0: resetting devices .. done 16 32 48 64 80 96 112 128 144 160 176 192 208 224 240 256 272 288 304 320 336 352 368 384 400 416 432

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
So, what is it about gcc 3.2 that's so important, considering that we wanted to do a real 5.0 release within 2 months? On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Alexander Kabaev wrote: I will import GCC 3.2 snapshot from the top of FSF gcc-3_2-branch in about ten minutes. This task should not take long to

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Alexander Kabaev
On Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Matthew Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, what is it about gcc 3.2 that's so important, considering that we wanted to do a real 5.0 release within 2 months? Some well known problem present in our current GCC snapshot appear to be fixed in 3.2. GCC 3.2

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 02:34:12PM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: So, what is it about gcc 3.2 that's so important, considering that we wanted to do a real 5.0 release within 2 months? This is really 3.1.1 -- so it is a minor point release. 3.2 fixes a bug that changes the API so it couldn't be

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
Well, actually, I *wasn't* asking for an upgrade. From recent experience it is my estimation that a gcc upgrade sets 5.0 development back a month (that is, the last GCC upgrade kept *me* from working productively for around a month due to various this thats and the others). If that's what

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, David O'Brien wrote: On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 02:34:12PM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: So, what is it about gcc 3.2 that's so important, considering that we wanted to do a real 5.0 release within 2 months? This is really 3.1.1 -- so it is a minor point release. 3.2

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 02:50:50PM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: I'm just a bit startled that this appears out of nowhere (I sure don't recall it being discussed) and just happens, with 10 minutes warning. This update has been *DEMANDED* in both -current and -ports for months now. To

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Alexander Kabaev
On Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Matthew Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From recent experience it is my estimation that a gcc upgrade sets 5.0 development back a month (that is, the last GCC upgrade kept *me* from working productively for around a month due to various this thats and

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Martin Blapp
Hi, totally wrong, and this won't break things. I'm just a bit startled that this appears out of nowhere (I sure don't recall it being discussed) and just happens, with 10 minutes warning. The 2.95.3 - 3.1 prerelease upgrade was a big step. 3.1 prerelease - 3.2 is a little step which fixes

HEADS UP: GCC 3.2.1-pre imported

2002-09-01 Thread Alexander Kabaev
GCC 3.2.1-pre is now in the tree. Please let me know if you see any problems recompiling your world/kernel. Remember to recompile your C++ ports. GCC 3.2 is not binary compatible with 3.1. -- Alexander Kabaev To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Will Andrews
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 02:56:26PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: This update has been *DEMANDED* in both -current and -ports for months now. Yes, GCC 3.1 prerelease bites, big time, k thx. Better to fix it now than later, when people will actually expect it to work. I also dislike the apparent

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Alexander Kabaev wrote: On Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Matthew Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From recent experience it is my estimation that a gcc upgrade sets 5.0 development back a month (that is, the last GCC upgrade kept *me* from working productively

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
I should note that I'm raising more of a flag than normal. This would have been a firing offense at several companies I've worked at. It's not unreasonable to take a lesson from *why* these things are firing offenses and start to raise queries. I've done so. Duty is done. Go back to sleep. On

oh, btw..

2002-09-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
I personally always get a bit more concerned about compiler upgrades. I can and do protect myself from errant /usr/src/sys changes, but everthing else is cvsup based for me, so buildworlds really do need to work well for me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 03:00:34PM -0700, Will Andrews wrote: On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 02:56:26PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: This update has been *DEMANDED* in both -current and -ports for months now. Yes, GCC 3.1 prerelease bites, big time, k thx. Better to fix it now than later, when

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Peter Wemm
Matthew Jacob wrote: This would have been a firing offense at several companies I've worked at. It's not unreasonable to take a lesson from *why* these things are firing offenses and start to raise queries. I've done so. Duty is done. Go back to sleep. Would you rather that we ship with a

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
These arguments are all quite familiar- I'm not really moved one way or the other. The point here is that major changes need to be very visible on a product's schedule. You can argue that it isn't a major change- but I'd assert that any toolchain change *is* a major change. I'm *not* arguing

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Peter Wemm
Matthew Jacob wrote: The point here is that major changes need to be very visible on a product's schedule. You can argue that it isn't a major change- but I'd assert that any toolchain change *is* a major change. re@ have been practically begging for it. I'm *not* arguing against the

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Will Andrews
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 03:23:58PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: This is the same as using RELENG_4_6 (ie, 4.6-SECURE) in something. We get bug fixes (that must work on *all* supported GCC arches). The risk is _well_ mitigated. Why is everyone second guessing Kan on this import??? It will

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2.1-pre imported

2002-09-01 Thread Robert Watson
Great news. Hopefully this means we'll actually be able to ship 5.0 with a working KDE, since the 3.1 gcc we were running with had compiler optimization problems with the gif code. And, as previously discussed, this was a big checkbox item for getting 5.0 in decent shape for the release.

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Joe Marcus Clarke
On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Martin Blapp wrote: Hi, totally wrong, and this won't break things. I'm just a bit startled that this appears out of nowhere (I sure don't recall it being discussed) and just happens, with 10 minutes warning. The 2.95.3 - 3.1 prerelease upgrade was a big step.

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
Umm. Are you reading your -developers mail? Yes, as best as I can. But I didn't see a GCC 3.2 import on anyone's bullet list. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Alexander Kabaev
On Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Joe Marcus Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, if 3.2 doesn't use thunks, it's likely to break Mozilla again. This is really not that big of a deal. I'll just need to alter a patch, and update the Mozilla people. Joe Why would that change? I

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Joe Marcus Clarke
On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Alexander Kabaev wrote: On Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Joe Marcus Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, if 3.2 doesn't use thunks, it's likely to break Mozilla again. This is really not that big of a deal. I'll just need to alter a patch, and update the

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Scott Long
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 03:51:52PM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: Umm. Are you reading your -developers mail? Yes, as best as I can. But I didn't see a GCC 3.2 import on anyone's bullet list. To quote Robert Watson: My list basically consists of: General - GEOM as default storage

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
Yes, as best as I can. But I didn't see a GCC 3.2 import on anyone's bullet list. To quote Robert Watson: My list basically consists of: General - GEOM as default storage management on all platforms, related dependencies - Switch in sysinstall to easily turn on ufs2

Re: gcc 3.1 / streambuf.h broken with using namespace std;

2002-09-01 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 12:37:14PM -0700, Lamont Granquist wrote: It sounds like gcc-3.1 or gcc-3.2 will be archaic and buggy by the time that 5.2 and 5.3 come out. How would gcc-3.2 get more buggy over time than it is today?? archaic does apply however. Why the fsck can't people come up to

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2.1-pre imported

2002-09-01 Thread David W. Chapman Jr.
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 05:58:46PM -0400, Alexander Kabaev wrote: GCC 3.2.1-pre is now in the tree. Please let me know if you see any problems recompiling your world/kernel. I have completed a world and kernel, just upgrading all my ports with portupgrade -a -f now, we'll see how that goes.

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Jos Backus
Totally off-topic for this thread, sorry. On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 04:58:54PM -0600, Scott Long wrote: To quote Robert Watson: My list basically consists of: General - GEOM as default storage management on all platforms, related dependencies Note: I have tried bringing to

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2.1-pre imported

2002-09-01 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 06:33:05PM -0500, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: Remember to recompile your C++ ports. GCC 3.2 is not binary compatible with 3.1. If this works out would it be a good idea to get this new gcc version on the port build clusters for -current so we can get to work on

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2.1-pre imported

2002-09-01 Thread David W. Chapman Jr.
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 04:46:18PM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 06:33:05PM -0500, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: Remember to recompile your C++ ports. GCC 3.2 is not binary compatible with 3.1. If this works out would it be a good idea to get this new gcc version

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Peter Wemm
Matthew Jacob wrote: Yes, as best as I can. But I didn't see a GCC 3.2 import on anyone's bullet list. To quote Robert Watson: My list basically consists of: General - GEOM as default storage management on all platforms, related dependencies - Switch in

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
Matthew Jacob wrote: Yes, as best as I can. But I didn't see a GCC 3.2 import on anyone's bullet list. To quote Robert Watson: My list basically consists of: General - GEOM as default storage management on all platforms, related dependencies

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread David W. Chapman Jr.
Of course. And being accused of 'trolling' is also a learning experience. I would have to agree with your sarcasm, seems like there is a big troll hunt and everyone is being accused. -- David W. Chapman Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Raintree Network Services, Inc. www.inethouston.net [EMAIL

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread David Leimbach
Hey lets find a way to keep this goddamned thread going.. huh can we... yeah... please... I love hitting delete!!! Keep it up and we'll be as cool as [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... /sarcasm On Sunday, September 1, 2002, at 07:12 PM, Matthew Jacob wrote: Matthew Jacob wrote: Yes, as best as I

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread David Leimbach
On Sunday, September 1, 2002, at 07:14 PM, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: Of course. And being accused of 'trolling' is also a learning experience. I would have to agree with your sarcasm, seems like there is a big troll hunt and everyone is being accused. I wouldn't call it trolling but I

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Scott Long
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 05:12:43PM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: [...] Of course. And being accused of 'trolling' is also a learning experience. Ok, I apologize for calling you a 'troll'. I certainly didn't mean it in the context of what's going on in other mailing lists, and it

Getting developer previews via cvsup?

2002-09-01 Thread Andrew P. Lentvorski
I wanted to download via cvsup a snapshot of -current which I had a decent chance of compiling (I need to look at some atacontrol RAID stuff). So I tried to find a -current which had a recent tag, the comment was made that DP2 just got a tag, but even a DP1 tag would do. What should that tag

Re: Getting developer previews via cvsup?

2002-09-01 Thread Munish Chopra
On 2002-09-01 18:43 +, Andrew P. Lentvorski wrote: I wanted to download via cvsup a snapshot of -current which I had a decent chance of compiling (I need to look at some atacontrol RAID stuff). So I tried to find a -current which had a recent tag, the comment was made that DP2 just got a

Re: Getting developer previews via cvsup?

2002-09-01 Thread Brooks Davis
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 06:43:51PM -0700, Andrew P. Lentvorski wrote: I wanted to download via cvsup a snapshot of -current which I had a decent chance of compiling (I need to look at some atacontrol RAID stuff). So I tried to find a -current which had a recent tag, the comment was made that

Re: Getting developer previews via cvsup?

2002-09-01 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 06:43:51PM -0700, Andrew P. Lentvorski wrote: I wanted to download via cvsup a snapshot of -current which I had a decent chance of compiling (I need to look at some atacontrol RAID stuff). So I tried to find a -current which had a recent tag, the comment was made that

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Joe Marcus Clarke
On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Sean Chittenden wrote: totally wrong, and this won't break things. I'm just a bit startled that this appears out of nowhere (I sure don't recall it being discussed) and just happens, with 10 minutes warning. The 2.95.3 - 3.1 prerelease upgrade was a big

Problem in cross-build of modules

2002-09-01 Thread Pete Carah
This showed up a few days ago; a tool-dependency problem in a cross-build. I build current under stable since this (acpi-only) system won't yet boot current (mostly appears to be the problem with TI pcic/cardbus chip interrupt routing) The build of aicasm in the kernel mkdep works right; that

Re: Problem in cross-build of modules

2002-09-01 Thread Scott Long
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 07:51:19PM -0700, Pete Carah wrote: This showed up a few days ago; a tool-dependency problem in a cross-build. I build current under stable since this (acpi-only) system won't yet boot current (mostly appears to be the problem with TI pcic/cardbus chip interrupt

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Sean Chittenden
totally wrong, and this won't break things. I'm just a bit startled that this appears out of nowhere (I sure don't recall it being discussed) and just happens, with 10 minutes warning. The 2.95.3 - 3.1 prerelease upgrade was a big step. 3.1 prerelease - 3.2 is a little step which

aout support broken in gcc3

2002-09-01 Thread Bruce Evans
aout support is still required for a few things (mainly for compiling some boot blocks), but is broken in gcc3 for at least compile-time assignments to long longs and shifts of long longs by a non-constant amount: %%% $ cat z.c long long x = 0; int y; foo() { x = x y; } $ cc -O -S

Re: gcc 3.1 / streambuf.h broken with using namespace std;

2002-09-01 Thread Terry Lambert
David O'Brien wrote: It was my understanding that FreeBSD 5.0 release was not going to be GCC 3.3 (because GCC 3.3 would not be released in time for FreeBSD to not be pulling a RedHat if they shipped a beta and called it 3.3) , might be GCC 3.2, and was currently down-rev from there.

Re: gcc 3.1 / streambuf.h broken with using namespace std;

2002-09-01 Thread Terry Lambert
Lamont Granquist wrote: 5.0 will be a beta and will not be ready for production use right? No. But no one will use it anyway, because no one trusts a .0 version of anything. I'm not sure exactly how FreeBSD would be pulling a redhat by putting in a development snapshot if the 5.0 release

Re: HEADS UP: GCC 3.2 in progress

2002-09-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
Thank you. Let's move on. On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Scott Long wrote: On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 05:12:43PM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: [...] Of course. And being accused of 'trolling' is also a learning experience. Ok, I apologize for calling you a 'troll'. I certainly didn't