Re: HFS+ driver kernel options?

2003-09-18 Thread Christian Brueffer
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 11:22:37PM -0500, David Leimbach wrote: > Hey... just looking to see what option I need to enable to get HFS+ > support... > All you need should be here: http://people.freebsd.org/~yar/hfs/ - Christian -- Christian Brueffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [current tinderbox] failure on alpha/alpha

2003-09-18 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Scott Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sam is pretty sure that he already fixed this. Is it possible that the > tinderbox machine is no longer getting cvs updates? It would seem so. Revision 1.69 of src/sys/net/bridge.c (which fixes this particular problem) is not in the repo on the RTP cluste

Re: panic: vm_fault:

2003-09-18 Thread Florian C. Smeets
Jeff Roberson wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Florian C. Smeets wrote: Hi. I get this panic on a system with kernel/world from 03 September. Usually i only run X and xawtv on that system but when i wanted to make world today i got the panic: This was fixed recently. Can you cvsup and rebuild? It

Re: What's happened to CDIOCREADAUDIO & friends?

2003-09-18 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Vladimir Kushnir wrote: > > The right way of doing audio graps has been to set the wanted blocksize > > with CDRIOCSETBLOCKSIZE (not needed if all tracks on the CD is of > > the same size), then just read from the device. Ioctl's was newer meant > > to be used to read/write data, its also

Re: ATAng still problematic

2003-09-18 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Jan Srzednicki wrote: > > As far as problems with dagrab and cdda2wav are conserned - this is > > because of removal of CDIOCREADAUDIO ioctl in ATAng (see recent thread > > "What's happened to CDIOCREADAUDIO & friends") > > I've seen it (after posting the original mail, though;). Is there

Re: ATA: UDMA66, 33 & ICRC

2003-09-18 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems =?koi8-r?Q?=22?=Ayrton Senna=?koi8-r?Q?=22=20?= wrote: > This became quite tricky, but the main (and the worst problem) was with ATAng. > I have Acer's motherboard and IBM's DTLA. Old driver were saying 'Non-ATA 66 cable > or device' and perfectly worked in UDMA-33 mode. New driver didn't

Re: [current tinderbox] failure on alpha/alpha

2003-09-18 Thread Scott Long
Sam is pretty sure that he already fixed this. Is it possible that the tinderbox machine is no longer getting cvs updates? Scott Tinderbox wrote: TB --- 2003-09-19 04:00:00 - starting CURRENT tinderbox run for alpha/alpha TB --- 2003-09-19 04:00:00 - checking out the source tree TB --- cd /home/d

Re: Still crashes in swapgeom_strategy and also sometimes in propagate_priority

2003-09-18 Thread Eivind Olsen
--On 18. september 2003 09:23 +0200 Eivind Olsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello. I'm experiencing frequent crashes on my FreeBSD box here. It's running FreeBSD 5.x CURRENT (CVSUP'ed yesterday (the 17th) around 1800 CET). I've now had more crashes which looks like those I mentioned in the last ma

Re: ath(4) driver problems with WEP...

2003-09-18 Thread Kenneth D. Merry
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 12:43:08 -0700, Sam Leffler wrote: > > I've got a Netgear WAG511 (Atheros 5212-based card) and a Netgear FWAG114 > > wireless router. > > > > I've been trying to get the card and the router talking under FreeBSD. > > (Both 802.11a and 802.11g work fine under Windows on the

[current tinderbox] failure on alpha/alpha

2003-09-18 Thread Tinderbox
TB --- 2003-09-19 04:00:00 - starting CURRENT tinderbox run for alpha/alpha TB --- 2003-09-19 04:00:00 - checking out the source tree TB --- cd /home/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha TB --- /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -Pd -A src TB --- 2003-09-19 04:01:51 - building world TB --- cd /

4.9 stability update

2003-09-18 Thread Scott Long
All, We'd like to get a new poll on the stability and readiness of 4.9. The belief is that the last of the PAE-induced instability was resolved on August 31. Is anyone still experiencing unusual crashes, corruption, etc, on a system that is running with up-to-date sources? Now is the time to sp

HFS+ driver kernel options?

2003-09-18 Thread David Leimbach
Hey... just looking to see what option I need to enable to get HFS+ support... I am going to try experimenting with building a ppc cross-build environment and try to install FreeBSD on my iPod and boot from it :) Dave ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing li

09/18 -CURRENT does not boot off SATA

2003-09-18 Thread Will Andrews
Hi, My -CURRENT workstation won't boot off the WD Raptor 36GB disk, which is on a SiI 3112A SATA-150 controller. This was working with a kernel in early July. {build,install}{world,kernel} completed. Fortunately, it seems I can still boot with the older kernel. I guess ATAng problems still hav

Re: static ldt allocation

2003-09-18 Thread Doug White
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Martin wrote: > Am Do, 2003-09-18 um 15.55 schrieb Jan Srzednicki: > > Warning: pid 589 used static ldt allocation. > > See the i386_set_ldt man page for more info > > I'm getting it, too. When starting XFree. It seems that XFree has > problems when I restart it. Sometimes it

Re: Base packaging

2003-09-18 Thread M. Warner Losh
P.S. How do you handle the packlist generation? The ports system doesn't automatically generate these things, as far as I can tell, and I didn't see anything that you've added to do this. My agenda, if you will, on this is to deal with: upgrades: portupgrade can grok packages. If you had a

Re: Base packaging

2003-09-18 Thread M. Warner Losh
Why would you want to package sbin? Where do you see this work going? What problems do you think this will solve? Doing things a top level directory at a time isn't very interesting, but since it looks like a demo, perhaps you could sketch out what the polishing you'd envision. Warner __

Re: acd0 vs cd0 (ATAPICAM)

2003-09-18 Thread Guillaume
Le Jeu 18/09/2003 à 15:32, Thomas Quinot a écrit : > Le 2003-09-18, Guillaume écrivait : > > > The patch does nothing for me. Same results... and cd0 is still slow. > > OK, then please try to apply the patch below in addition to the previous > one: > Thanks for the patch. cd0 is faster now and

ipintrq

2003-09-18 Thread Vector
What happened to ipintrq? I know it is now defined in ip_input.c...problem is I'm trying to port a driver to 5.1. The files are in a subdirectory in /usr/src/sys/dev and in order to get it to compile, I've declared it like this: extern struct ifqueue ipintrq; But upon linking, I get unresolved s

ATA: UDMA66, 33 & ICRC

2003-09-18 Thread "Ayrton Senna"
Hello. This week I tried to upgrade to current... This became quite tricky, but the main (and the worst problem) was with ATAng. I have Acer's motherboard and IBM's DTLA. Old driver were saying 'Non-ATA 66 cable or device' and perfectly worked in UDMA-33 mode. New driver didn't said a word, but w

[current tinderbox] failure on sparc64/sparc64

2003-09-18 Thread Tinderbox
TB --- 2003-09-18 23:00:46 - starting CURRENT tinderbox run for sparc64/sparc64 TB --- 2003-09-18 23:00:46 - checking out the source tree TB --- cd /home/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/sparc64/sparc64 TB --- /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -Pd -A src TB --- 2003-09-18 23:03:57 - building world TB

Re: ATAng still problematic

2003-09-18 Thread Jan Srzednicki
On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 01:32:45AM +0300, Vladimir Kushnir wrote: > > Um. Do you see the same crash if both drives contain CDs at boot time? > > If not, this could be a consequence of the error condition corruption > > problem others have been reporting. > > > > Thomas. > > > > These crashes start

Re: acd0 vs cd0 (ATAPICAM)

2003-09-18 Thread Bryan Liesner
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Thomas Quinot wrote: > Le 2003-09-18, Guillaume écrivait : > > > The patch does nothing for me. Same results... and cd0 is still slow. > > OK, then please try to apply the patch below in addition to the previous > one: > Sorry, I hadn't really noticed or checked for speed iss

Re: ad0: WARNING - WRITE_MUL write data underrun

2003-09-18 Thread Daniel Rock
Mark Knight schrieb: Current from approximately 0500 BST on 16th September is giving me errors like this from boot: ad0: WARNING - WRITE_MUL write data underrun 8192>2048 ad0: WARNING - WRITE_MUL write data underrun 8192>6144 ad0: WARNING - WRITE_MUL write data underrun 8192>4096 ad0: WARNING -

[current tinderbox] failure on ia64/ia64

2003-09-18 Thread Tinderbox
TB --- 2003-09-18 21:27:59 - starting CURRENT tinderbox run for ia64/ia64 TB --- 2003-09-18 21:27:59 - checking out the source tree TB --- cd /home/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64 TB --- /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -Pd -A src TB --- 2003-09-18 21:31:36 - building world TB --- cd /home

Re: ATAng still problematic

2003-09-18 Thread Vladimir Kushnir
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Thomas Quinot wrote: > Le 2003-09-18, Jan Srzednicki ?crivait : > > > Anyway, here's backtrace for atapicam panic I've mentioned. It's > > triggered by: > > > > cdrecord dev=1,1,0 /some/track > > Um. Do you see the same crash if both drives contain CDs at boot time? > If not

Re: What's happened to CDIOCREADAUDIO & friends?

2003-09-18 Thread Vladimir Kushnir
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Soren Schmidt wrote: > > The right way of doing audio graps has been to set the wanted blocksize > with CDRIOCSETBLOCKSIZE (not needed if all tracks on the CD is of > the same size), then just read from the device. Ioctl's was newer meant > to be used to read/write data, its

Re: panic: absolutely cannot call smp_ipi_shootdown with interrupts already disabled

2003-09-18 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 4:47 PM -0700 2003/09/17, Doug White wrote: > > > This came up at the developer summit. We do need to upgrade/make > > significant changes to gdb for it to understand threaded debugging. The > > panics might be interesting as it might be tickling

Re: panic: absolutely cannot call smp_ipi_shootdown with interrupts already disabled

2003-09-18 Thread Brad Knowles
At 4:47 PM -0700 2003/09/17, Doug White wrote: This came up at the developer summit. We do need to upgrade/make significant changes to gdb for it to understand threaded debugging. The panics might be interesting as it might be tickling other issues, but before we can really debug threaded ap

Re: panic: mi_switch: kse state?

2003-09-18 Thread Julian Elischer
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, David Wolfskill wrote: > This is on my (SMP) "build" machine; sources updated between 0347 - 0355 > hrs. US/Pacific (7 hrs. W of GMT). > > I had done the usual buildworld, kernel, installworld, mergemaster, > rebooted, ran "healthd -d" for a little while (enough to see som

Re: ATAng still problematic

2003-09-18 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Thomas Quinot wrote: > Le 2003-09-18, Jan Srzednicki écrivait : > > > Anyway, here's backtrace for atapicam panic I've mentioned. It's > > triggered by: > > > > cdrecord dev=1,1,0 /some/track > > Um. Do you see the same crash if both drives contain CDs at boot time? > If not, this could

Re: ATAng still problematic

2003-09-18 Thread Thomas Quinot
Le 2003-09-18, Jan Srzednicki écrivait : > Anyway, here's backtrace for atapicam panic I've mentioned. It's > triggered by: > > cdrecord dev=1,1,0 /some/track Um. Do you see the same crash if both drives contain CDs at boot time? If not, this could be a consequence of the error condition corrupt

Re: ad0: WARNING - WRITE_MUL write data underrun

2003-09-18 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Mark Knight wrote: > Current from approximately 0500 BST on 16th September is giving me > errors like this from boot: > > ad0: WARNING - WRITE_MUL write data underrun 8192>2048 > ad0: WARNING - WRITE_MUL write data underrun 8192>6144 > ad0: WARNING - WRITE_MUL write data underrun 8192>40

panic: mi_switch: kse state?

2003-09-18 Thread David Wolfskill
This is on my (SMP) "build" machine; sources updated between 0347 - 0355 hrs. US/Pacific (7 hrs. W of GMT). I had done the usual buildworld, kernel, installworld, mergemaster, rebooted, ran "healthd -d" for a little while (enough to see some plausible variation), then entered sudo boot0c

ad0: WARNING - WRITE_MUL write data underrun

2003-09-18 Thread Mark Knight
Current from approximately 0500 BST on 16th September is giving me errors like this from boot: ad0: WARNING - WRITE_MUL write data underrun 8192>2048 ad0: WARNING - WRITE_MUL write data underrun 8192>6144 ad0: WARNING - WRITE_MUL write data underrun 8192>4096 ad0: WARNING - WRITE_MUL write data u

Re: Base packaging

2003-09-18 Thread Nik Clayton
On Thursday, September 18, 2003, at 11:28 am, Paul Richards wrote: On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 11:25, Alexander Leidinger wrote: We have programs in the ports tree which use our bsd.*.mk infrastructure. Will there be a problem if such a program gets installed from ports (will it try to register itself

Re: What's happened to CDIOCREADAUDIO & friends?

2003-09-18 Thread Bruce M Simpson
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 08:17:16AM +0200, Soren Schmidt wrote: > The right way of doing audio graps has been to set the wanted blocksize > with CDRIOCSETBLOCKSIZE (not needed if all tracks on the CD is of > the same size), then just read from the device. Ioctl's was newer meant > to be used to read

Re: ATAng still problematic

2003-09-18 Thread Steve Ames
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 11:00:56AM -0600, Scott Long wrote: > > Anyone know how to make the message buffer larger? I don't have > > a serial console hooked up currently and a boot verbose is way > > over the 32K default buffer size so only get the last 32K once > > the system is booted up. > > >Fr

[current tinderbox] failure on alpha/alpha

2003-09-18 Thread Tinderbox
TB --- 2003-09-18 16:00:01 - starting CURRENT tinderbox run for alpha/alpha TB --- 2003-09-18 16:00:01 - checking out the source tree TB --- cd /home/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha TB --- /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -Pd -A src TB --- 2003-09-18 16:01:52 - building world TB --- cd /

Re: ATAng still problematic

2003-09-18 Thread Steve Ames
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 06:55:07PM +0200, Jan Srzednicki wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 11:46:35AM -0500, Steve Ames wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 06:38:25PM +0200, Soren Schmidt wrote: > > > Anyhow, what I need to be able to tell what may be going on, is that > > > you boot verbose and get

Re: ATAng still problematic

2003-09-18 Thread Scott Long
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Steve Ames wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 06:38:25PM +0200, Soren Schmidt wrote: > > Anyhow, what I need to be able to tell what may be going on, is that > > you boot verbose and get me the output from dmesg from a boot that > > found all device, and from a boot that misse

Re: ATAng still problematic

2003-09-18 Thread Jan Srzednicki
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 11:46:35AM -0500, Steve Ames wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 06:38:25PM +0200, Soren Schmidt wrote: > > Anyhow, what I need to be able to tell what may be going on, is that > > you boot verbose and get me the output from dmesg from a boot that > > found all device, and from

Re: ATAng still problematic

2003-09-18 Thread Steve Ames
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 06:38:25PM +0200, Soren Schmidt wrote: > Anyhow, what I need to be able to tell what may be going on, is that > you boot verbose and get me the output from dmesg from a boot that > found all device, and from a boot that missed. Anyone know how to make the message buffer lar

Re: ATAng still problematic

2003-09-18 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Jan Srzednicki wrote: > > > First of all, the drive still does not get detected properly. Funny > > > thing is that after some playing with atacontrol attach/detach, it > > > finally gets detected. And later on, it is normally detected, before. > > > Same scenario happened like 3 times wit

VSCAN installing error

2003-09-18 Thread Armand Passelac
I get the following error when I try to install VSCA. [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/security/vscan # make install ===> Installing for uvscan-4.24e ===> uvscan-4.24e depends on file: /usr/local/sbin/update_dat - not found ===>Verifying install for /usr/local/sbin/update_dat in /usr/ports/se

Re: static ldt allocation

2003-09-18 Thread Martin
Am Do, 2003-09-18 um 15.55 schrieb Jan Srzednicki: > Warning: pid 589 used static ldt allocation. > See the i386_set_ldt man page for more info I'm getting it, too. When starting XFree. It seems that XFree has problems when I restart it. Sometimes it stays in graphics mode where I can reboot by pr

Re: ATAng still problematic

2003-09-18 Thread Andrew Lankford
Soren, I've noticed the same thing with the last two builds. After detaching and then re-attaching the second channel, both my slave dvdrom and my truant master cdrw show up and appear to work ok. I just tried your patch (didn't apply cleanly so I edited the file myself). No apparent change. Att

Re: ATAng still problematic

2003-09-18 Thread Jan Srzednicki
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 03:54:36PM +0200, Soren Schmidt wrote: > It seems Jan Srzednicki wrote: > > First of all, the drive still does not get detected properly. Funny > > thing is that after some playing with atacontrol attach/detach, it > > finally gets detected. And later on, it is normally dete

Problems mit ath as a hostap

2003-09-18 Thread Tom Müller-Kortkamp
A Dlink DWL-G520 and FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT #11: Wed Sep 17 01:10:14 CEST 2003 Boot: ath0: mem 0xd800-0xd800 irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci0 ath0: [MPSAFE] ath0: 11b rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps ath0: 11g rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps 6Mbps 9Mbps 12Mbps 18Mbps 24Mbps 36Mbps 48Mbps 54M

static ldt allocation

2003-09-18 Thread Jan Srzednicki
Hello, I'm getting the following warning when running xmms with libthr: Warning: pid 589 used static ldt allocation. See the i386_set_ldt man page for more info When I use libkse, I don't get this warning. As I understand, someone's is hunting down static LDT usage, so here's my feedback. ;) --

Re: ATAng still problematic

2003-09-18 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Jan Srzednicki wrote: > First of all, the drive still does not get detected properly. Funny > thing is that after some playing with atacontrol attach/detach, it > finally gets detected. And later on, it is normally detected, before. > Same scenario happened like 3 times with ATAng and newe

ATAng still problematic

2003-09-18 Thread Jan Srzednicki
Hello there, I still have problems with ATAng, with kernel from 15th of September. First of all, the drive still does not get detected properly. Funny thing is that after some playing with atacontrol attach/detach, it finally gets detected. And later on, it is normally detected, before. Same scen

Building stable on current

2003-09-18 Thread Robin P. Blanchard
My -STABLE build box (nfs src & obj host for my -STABLE clients) died yesterday afternoon. I was wondering if I could simply use my -CURRENT build box (nfs src & obj host for -CURRENT cleints) to also host src & obj for -STABLE. Would I just modify my supfile to put the -STABLE src elsewhere and th

[current tinderbox] failure on sparc64/sparc64

2003-09-18 Thread Tinderbox
TB --- 2003-09-18 11:05:20 - starting CURRENT tinderbox run for sparc64/sparc64 TB --- 2003-09-18 11:05:20 - checking out the source tree TB --- cd /home/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/sparc64/sparc64 TB --- /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -Pd -A src TB --- 2003-09-18 11:07:17 - building world TB

Re: Base packaging

2003-09-18 Thread Paul Richards
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 12:09, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:28:31 +0100 > Paul Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > We have programs in the ports tree which use our bsd.*.mk > > > infrastructure. Will there be a problem if such a program gets installed > > > from ports

Re: Base packaging

2003-09-18 Thread Alexander Leidinger
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:28:31 +0100 Paul Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We have programs in the ports tree which use our bsd.*.mk > > infrastructure. Will there be a problem if such a program gets installed > > from ports (will it try to register itself 2 times)? > > I don't know, have yo

Re: What's happened to CDIOCREADAUDIO & friends?

2003-09-18 Thread Julian St.
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:16:17 +0300 (EEST) Vladimir Kushnir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > We used to have this ioctl in old ATA/ATAPI driver (and still do in > sys/cdio.h); apparently, it's no longer there with ATAng. Is this a > bug or feature? And if this was planned what's going to repla

[current tinderbox] failure on ia64/ia64

2003-09-18 Thread Tinderbox
TB --- 2003-09-18 09:33:02 - starting CURRENT tinderbox run for ia64/ia64 TB --- 2003-09-18 09:33:02 - checking out the source tree TB --- cd /home/des/tinderbox/CURRENT/ia64/ia64 TB --- /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -Pd -A src TB --- 2003-09-18 09:36:20 - building world TB --- cd /home

Re: Base packaging

2003-09-18 Thread Paul Richards
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 11:25, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:27:03 +0100 > Paul Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > However, I suspect that a marginally better place to use these would be > > > in the "make distribute" target that "make release" uses. This way, the > >

Re: Base packaging

2003-09-18 Thread Alexander Leidinger
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:27:03 +0100 Paul Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > However, I suspect that a marginally better place to use these would be > > in the "make distribute" target that "make release" uses. This way, the > > files are already separated out into directory structures, and it

Re: panic: Negative bio_offset (-15050100712783872) on bio0xc7725d50

2003-09-18 Thread Terry Lambert
John-Mark Gurney wrote: > Bernd Walter wrote this message on Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 10:27 +0200: > > What is wrong with returning an IO error? > > > > I always hated panics because of filesystem corruptions. > > An alternative would be to just bring that filesystem down. > > Its easy to panic a whole

Re: Bad performance

2003-09-18 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 09:15:50PM -0600, Scott Long wrote: >sebastian ssmoller wrote: >>here is my lmmon output. >> >> Motherboard Temp Voltages >> >> 255C / 491F / 528KVcore1: +3.984V >> Vcore2: +3.984V >>Fan Speeds + 3.3V: +3

Re: latest -CURRENT kernel fails to build

2003-09-18 Thread Vincent Poy
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Lukas Ertl wrote: > On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Vincent Poy wrote: > > > -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline > > -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -std=c99 -g -nostdinc -I- -I. > > -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica > > -I/usr/src/sys/cont

Still crashes in swapgeom_strategy and also sometimes in propagate_priority

2003-09-18 Thread Eivind Olsen
there after a message telling me it's going to dump 192MB of RAM to disk (which it never does). I've loaded the debug kernel into gdb and ran "l *swapgeom_strategy+0x3c" (I'm no C programmer/kernel guru, so if anyone know how I can get more information they'l