Re: Serious server-side NFS problem

1999-12-15 Thread Kevin Day
> > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthew Dillon writes: > > > >:>NFS uses the kernel 'boottime' structure to generate its version id. > >:>Now normally you might believe that this structure, once set, will > >:>never change. The authors of NFS certainly make that assumption! > >:

Re: Serious server-side NFS problem

1999-12-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthew Dillon writes: > >:>NFS uses the kernel 'boottime' structure to generate its version id. >:>Now normally you might believe that this structure, once set, will >:>never change. The authors of NFS certainly make that assumption! >: >:Is this anoth

Re: Serious server-side NFS problem

1999-12-15 Thread Matthew Dillon
:>NFS uses the kernel 'boottime' structure to generate its version id. :>Now normally you might believe that this structure, once set, will :>never change. The authors of NFS certainly make that assumption! : :Is this another case of "lets assume the time of day is a random number" o

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-15 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Devin Butterfield wrote: > Hi, > > I just recently compiled a kernel with the new ATA driver and have > discovered a problem: if I run sysinstall, right when it says "probing > devices, please wait (this can be a while)" error messages saying... [snip] > and after printing these messages

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Anthony Kimball
> System Housekeeping Advanced Management Utility ? > > [ can we loose the H please? Sounds like a broom to me ] SHyshtem advanshed managedment utilititily? (hic) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

amandad still freezes current

1999-12-15 Thread Taavi Talvik
Hello ! running amanda over network still freezes current (1-2 days old). Script started on Thu Dec 16 09:20:23 1999 tt# gdb -k kernel.6 vmcore.6 GNU gdb 4.18 Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to ch

Re: Serious server-side NFS problem

1999-12-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthew Dillon writes: >Here's a general update on this bug report to -current. It took all day >but I was finally able to reproduce Andrew's bug. > >You guys are going to *love* this. > >NFS uses the kernel 'boottime' structure to generate its vers

Re: Init Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Mark Newton
On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 01:22:46AM -0500, Donn Miller wrote: > runlevels, OpenBSD does not or goes with an entirely different > system), them would it be fair to consider FreeBSD "BSD"? The > advantage here is that FreeBSD would mature into it's own type of > UNIX with a BSD heritage. Can

Re: Init Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Donn Miller
David Scheidt wrote: > What's wrong with run with system V runlevels? Other than it's system V and > everything AT^HUSL did is evil, of course. Well, the one danger is that we'd be slowly drifting away from the classic BSD way of doing thigs. Of course, the official BSD is dead (right?). But

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-15 Thread Vallo Kallaste
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 07:01:59PM +0100, Soren Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That particular chip is so broken in so obscure ways, that most of the > "fixes" floating around doesn't. Its just plain broken, and should be > avoided totally and at all cost... It will be nice to let the user

ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-15 Thread Devin Butterfield
Hi, I just recently compiled a kernel with the new ATA driver and have discovered a problem: if I run sysinstall, right when it says "probing devices, please wait (this can be a while)" error messages saying... Dec 15 21:20:05 dbm /kernel: ata0-slave: ad_timeout: lost disk contact - resetting De

Re: Serious server-side NFS problem

1999-12-15 Thread Matthew Dillon
Here's a general update on this bug report to -current. It took all day but I was finally able to reproduce Andrew's bug. You guys are going to *love* this. NFS uses the kernel 'boottime' structure to generate its version id. Now normally you might believe that this structur

make world breakage

1999-12-15 Thread Clive Lin
FreeBSD current source cvsuped about 2 hrs ago: ===> gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ld cc -Os -pipe -mpentiumpro -march=pentiumpro -D_GNU_SOURCE -I- -I. -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ld/i386 -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ld -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ld/../libbfd/i386 -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/bin

syscons screenshot tool

1999-12-15 Thread Oliver Fromme
Hi, As I mentioned in the "propellers" thread, I have a small tool that can be used to make screenshots of syscons VTYs. Here it is: http://www.fromme.com/syscons-screenshot/ There is a README with instructions, _please_ read it! Actually this is a quick hack, and the ioctl approach is a bit

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Alex Bedworth
Daniel brings up a good point about SMIT (I don't know about SAM, not being a HP geek :) One helpful feature of SMIT/smitty is that it allows you to display the command that you are about to run. It also saves a history of its session in $HOME/smit.log, which can be used later to repeat actions

Re: INET6 userland tools

1999-12-15 Thread Yoshinobu Inoue
> I may be missing the obvious, but what is > everybody using for userland tools (ping6 etc) > on current? I haven't tried, but will the > kame-snap tools for 3 work? > > Thanks Now only ifconfig, route, and netstat support INET6 on the current. To support other tools, INET6 related library fu

Re: AMI MEGARAID problems.

1999-12-15 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 15 Dec 1999 13:50:33 -0500, in sentex.lists.freebsd.current you wrote: >I'm having trouble convincing -CURRENT to disklabel or newfs an AMI >MEGARAID adapter. > >amr0: irq 10 at device 11.1 on pci0 >amr0: firmware GH89 bios 1.41 16MB memory >amrd0: on amr0 >amrd0: 122647MB (251181056 sector

Re: kernel crash via /usr/bin/ktrace

1999-12-15 Thread Assar Westerlund
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > While testing ktrace today for the FreeBSD-Audit project with smashwidgets, I > left the room and came back to my bios booting up. Unfortunatly smashwidgets > wasn't in full logging mode for speed, so I don't know what arguments or > environment variablesm were execut

Re: ATA problem

1999-12-15 Thread Mike Pritchard
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 10:16:29PM +0100, D. Rock wrote: > Hi, > > The ata driver tries to enable UDMA for my controller, but fails > (this is no disk problem. The disks can do UDMA, as tested in > another machine). Perhaps UDMA should be disabled for all > VIA 82C586 chips: I have two machines

Re: Today's make world breakage

1999-12-15 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 02:10:43PM -0500, Forrest Aldrich wrote: > cpp: }: No such file or directory > cpp: }: No such file or directory > mkdep: compile failed > *** Error code 1 Fixed. Thanks for the report. -- -- David([EMAIL PROTECTED]) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Mark Newton
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 10:21:40PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > >"flourocarbons" > > fluorocarbons aka CFK. There is a relation with computing: Seymour used > them to keep his machines thermally sound. Call it "cfc" -- "The tool you want to use when you want to keep FreeBSD cool." :-)

Re: Init (was MAKEDEV et al)

1999-12-15 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
> "Peter" == Peter Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> And then we could telinit -on sshd telinit -off sshd Peter> This looks nice. The major problem I see is coming up with Peter> a secure mechanism for passing the daemon name from telinit Peter> to init. Named sockets w

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world brokenbuilding fortunes ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 1999-Dec-16 10:07:49 +1100, Poul-Henning Kamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter Jeremy writes >: >>It can do that now. Add the following lines to /etc/ttys: >> >>sshd "/usr/local/sbin/sshd" none on >>inetd "/usr/sbin/inetd -Ww" none on >>syslogd "/usr/sbi

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Chris Costello
On Thu, Dec 16, 1999, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > GUI's are *NEVER* the faster way to administer. They can make faster a > very limited set of tasks. When I worked with AIX, even though I was > very comfortable with SMIT, at any time when I wanted to do something > fast, it was CLI all the way. > >

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Chris Costello
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Click-click, hosed up beyond repair. What I mean to say is that > GUI != easy to administer. M$ has plenty of examples available. There's a difference between useful GUI design and backwards braindead inconsistant GUI design. Guess which Microsoft i

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 12:06:33AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 02:09:32PM -0800, Sanford Owings wrote: > > > > > Hm, if correct, Orca would make a good codename for a sysadm tool: > > > > > > Ordinary Ramblers Can [now] Admin [FreeBSD] > > > > Someone pointed out that

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 02:09:32PM -0800, Sanford Owings wrote: > > > Hm, if correct, Orca would make a good codename for a sysadm tool: > > > > Ordinary Ramblers Can [now] Admin [FreeBSD] > > Someone pointed out that Orca was already taken The question NOW > is: Can you come up with

Sv: tagged openings now 31, 25, 2; ncr0: queue empty.

1999-12-15 Thread Leif Neland
- Original Message - From: Hellmuth Michaelis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FreeBSD Current <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 8:30 PM Subject: tagged openings now 31, 25, 2; ncr0: queue empty. > and then scrolling: > > ncr0: queue empty. > ncr0: queue empty. > ncr0: queu

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter Jeremy writes : >On 1999-Dec-16 07:48:48 +1100, Poul-Henning Kamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>And we don't really need YAD when we have init hanging around doing >>nothing for its keep anyway... > >I beg to differ. To quote init(8): > The role of init is

Re: pnp, sound and LINT in -current

1999-12-15 Thread Bill Fumerola
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Julian Elischer wrote: > Somethifn I have not bee tracking has happened with config, and > "controller pnp" as it no longer likes it. > however LINT doesn't help because it still has comments refering > to 'enable pnp'. Are these old? and if not, how do I now do this? [hawk

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world brokenbuilding fortunes ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 1999-Dec-16 07:48:48 +1100, Poul-Henning Kamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >And we don't really need YAD when we have init hanging around doing >nothing for its keep anyway... I beg to differ. To quote init(8): The role of init is so critical that if it dies, the system will reboot it

pnp, sound and LINT in -current

1999-12-15 Thread Julian Elischer
Somethifn I have not bee tracking has happened with config, and "controller pnp" as it no longer likes it. however LINT doesn't help because it still has comments refering to 'enable pnp'. Are these old? and if not, how do I now do this? Julian To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Chris D. Faulhaber
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 05:28:32PM -0600, Chris Costello wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 14, 1999, Donn Miller wrote: > > > Maybe we could call it "sysconfig", in honor of the old > > > /etc/sysconfig file that was superceded bt /etc/rc.conf. > > > >That's no

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Neal Westfall writes: : "System Hoser and Mangling Utility" Shamu Helps Any Moronic User Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Neal Westfall
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > Hm, if correct, Orca would make a good codename for a sysadm tool: > > > > > > Ordinary Ramblers Can [now] Admin [FreeBSD] > > > > Someone pointed out that Orca was already taken The question NOW > > is: Can you come up with a good

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
> > > Hm, if correct, Orca would make a good codename for a sysadm tool: > > > > Ordinary Ramblers Can [now] Admin [FreeBSD] > > Someone pointed out that Orca was already taken The question NOW > is: Can you come up with a good acronym for "SHAMU"? Easy... Some Help for Another Misg

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Mike Smith
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > >> Polar bears and Inuits are found near the North Pole (Alaska, > >> Greenland, etc). > >> > >> Penguins are typically only found in Antarctica. Their only natural > >> enemies are killer whales and leopard seals. > > > >I knew we'

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Mike Smith
> Okpicky time here. > > Polar bears and Inuits are found near the North Pole (Alaska, > Greenland, etc). > > Penguins are typically only found in Antarctica. Their only natural > enemies are killer whales and leopard seals. > > Back to lurking... Actually, Penguins are found all the way

Re: AMI MEGARAID problems.

1999-12-15 Thread Mike Smith
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/amrd0 count=16 disklabel -rw amrd0 auto newfs amrd0c Don't bother slicing the array in this case; it's not worth the effort. (The probable cause of your trouble is garbage at the beginning of the slice you've created). > I'm having trouble convincing -CURRENT to disklab

ATA problem

1999-12-15 Thread D. Rock
Hi, The ata driver tries to enable UDMA for my controller, but fails (this is no disk problem. The disks can do UDMA, as tested in another machine). Perhaps UDMA should be disabled for all VIA 82C586 chips: dmesg output: [...] found-> vendor=0x1106, dev=0x0571, revid=0x02 class=01-01-8a,

problems with new pnp code

1999-12-15 Thread D. Rock
Hi, just noticed a bug in the new pnp code. The resource allocator seems to ignore the align flag for port addresses. dmesg output: [...] AZT5001: start dependant AZT5001: adding io range 0x100-0x3ff, size=0x1, align=0x1 AZT5001: end dependant [...] SAG0001: start dependant SAG0001: adding io ra

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Chris Costello
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999, Sanford Owings wrote: > Someone pointed out that Orca was already taken The question NOW > is: Can you come up with a good acronym for "SHAMU"? Systems Have an Administration Monstrosity Underfoot. Sounds a bit derogatory if I want people to _use_ the thing. --

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Sanford Owings
> Hm, if correct, Orca would make a good codename for a sysadm tool: > > Ordinary Ramblers Can [now] Admin [FreeBSD] Someone pointed out that Orca was already taken The question NOW is: Can you come up with a good acronym for "SHAMU"? -- Sanford Owings EECS Instructional Group Staf

Re: sh(1) broken caching [was: Re: Broken sh(1)?]

1999-12-15 Thread Mike Smith
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:42:11 +0100, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > > > > > > You set all those variables for the first make command, but not for the > > > > > second. What did you expect to happen? > > > > >

linux /proc and vmware.

1999-12-15 Thread Julian Elischer
for various reasons it looks more an dmore like we will need to do this simply for practical reasons. In particular for vmware, but also for other packages. the hack at http://www.enst.fr/~beyssac/freebsd/ seems a good one to me. (as a starting point. might I suggest that we make a decision to

Re: Init Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) ) )

1999-12-15 Thread David Scheidt
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dav > id Scheidt writes: > >What's wrong with run with system V runlevels? Other than it's system V and > >everything AT^HUSL did is evil, of course. > > runlevels are a very oldfashioned way to think about thing

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 09:24:04PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > >> Polar bears and Inuits are found near the North Pole (Alaska, > >> Greenland, etc). > >> > >> Penguins are typically only found in Antarctica. Their only natural

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 02:53:52PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 15 Dec, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > >> Call it Inuit. (rationale: Inuit feed on pinguins (right?)) > > > > How about PolarBear in that case? :) > > Okpicky time here. > > Polar bears and Inuits are found near the North P

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 01:47:59PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > : > Really? What eats penguins then? Maybe walrus? > > The penguin's natural preditors include the "killer whale", man and a > few other preditors in the southern hemisphere. orca? Hm, if correct, Orca would make a good codename f

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 12:03:01PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I was under the impression that Polar Bears are native to the > > North Pole and penguins are from the South Pole. > > Really? What eats penguins then? Maybe walrus? > > - Jordan Which leads us to the inevitable conclusion

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world brokenbuilding fortunes ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Matthew Jacob
> But lets say you add a pccard on which you want a getty, so devd will > have to tell init to run a getty on that port wouldn't it ? Of course- but this lays out very clearly where breakage could occur and leads to be better flexibility. Let's assume this is devd and leave to the side whether d

Re: Sound Blaster 128 PCI (ESS1371) support in current?

1999-12-15 Thread Neal Westfall
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Russell Cattelan wrote: > Thomas Veldhouse wrote: > > > Does the newpcm system support the Sound Blaster 128 PCI card (ESS1371 > > chipset)? I am aware of a pcm dirver for it in STABLE, but I have not > > tried it. > > The only major problems have been with certain ASUS mo

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthew Jacob writes: >> > >> >I was just thinking it could get tricky and have subtle ordering bugs of >> >new tty devices, changes to ttys and signals all about the same time. >> >> Well, they are no less subtle by having them in different processes... > >No, bu

Re: Init Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dav id Scheidt writes: >On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Warner Losh writes: >> >> I would really like to see the devd functionality to live in init >> and at the same time I wouldn't mind if init were taught to kee

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world brokenbuilding fortunes ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Matthew Jacob
> > > >I was just thinking it could get tricky and have subtle ordering bugs of > >new tty devices, changes to ttys and signals all about the same time. > > Well, they are no less subtle by having them in different processes... No, but possibly easier to track and debug. Just a minor nit. N'mind

Init Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) ) )

1999-12-15 Thread David Scheidt
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Warner Losh writes: > > I would really like to see the devd functionality to live in init > and at the same time I wouldn't mind if init were taught to keep > important programs running, things like sshd, inetd, sysl

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthew Jacob writes: >> >Isn't this throwing an awful lot onto init? >> >> Not really... >> >> The meta-daemon part is no different from keeping gettys in the air... >> >> The devd thing consists of selecting on some magic fd and running a >> program when somet

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world brokenbuilding fortunes ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Matthew Jacob
> >Isn't this throwing an awful lot onto init? > > Not really... > > The meta-daemon part is no different from keeping gettys in the air... > > The devd thing consists of selecting on some magic fd and running a > program when something happens. This could be done with a getty > like daemon to

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthew Jacob writes: >> > >> I would really like to see the devd functionality to live in init >> and at the same time I wouldn't mind if init were taught to keep >> important programs running, things like sshd, inetd, syslogd and >> similar should be restarted i

Re: tagged openings now 31, 25, 2; ncr0: queue empty.

1999-12-15 Thread Kenneth D. Merry
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 20:30:13 +0100, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > >From the keyboard of Hellmuth Michaelis: > > > > from time to time (i have no idea how to reproduce it or what causes it) i get > > the following message on the console of one of my current systems: > > > > (da1:ncr0:0:1:0)

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world brokenbuilding fortunes ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Matthew Jacob
> > I would really like to see the devd functionality to live in init > and at the same time I wouldn't mind if init were taught to keep > important programs running, things like sshd, inetd, syslogd and > similar should be restarted if they die. > > No, I don't want sysV runlevels or the weird

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Warner Losh writes: >In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Poul-Henning Kamp writes: >: A "devd" program would solve 98% of what devfs could solve. It cannot >: solve the homebrew-a-vnode-for-the-root-fs problem. FreeBSD needs a >: "devd" program *anyway* because what go

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Warner Losh
: > Really? What eats penguins then? Maybe walrus? The penguin's natural preditors include the "killer whale", man and a few other preditors in the southern hemisphere. orca? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Poul-Henning Kamp writes: : A "devd" program would solve 98% of what devfs could solve. It cannot : solve the homebrew-a-vnode-for-the-root-fs problem. FreeBSD needs a : "devd" program *anyway* because what good is dynamic devices if you : can't do something intell

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Adam Strohl
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > With due attention paid to realities I offer the following two code > names for your consideration: > > "freon" YES! This has my vote - ( Adam Strohl ) - - UNIX Operations/Systems

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: >> Polar bears and Inuits are found near the North Pole (Alaska, >> Greenland, etc). >> >> Penguins are typically only found in Antarctica. Their only natural >> enemies are killer whales and leopard seals. > >I knew we'd get to the bot

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread David Scheidt
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 12:04 PM -0800 1999/12/15, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > OK, I hereby vote for "orca" as the code name. It's shorter than > > "leopard seal" :) > > Except that there is already a well-known tool by that name. See >

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Brad Knowles
At 12:04 PM -0800 1999/12/15, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > OK, I hereby vote for "orca" as the code name. It's shorter than > "leopard seal" :) Except that there is already a well-known tool by that name. See . -- These are my opinions --

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Tom Bartol
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Donn Miller wrote: > "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > > > I was under the impression that Polar Bears are native to the > > > North Pole and penguins are from the South Pole. > > > > Really? What eats penguins then? Maybe walrus? > > Arctic Foxes. > > > - Donn I d

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Bruce Burden
> > Call it Inuit. (rationale: Inuit feed on pinguins (right?)) > The northern hemisphere penguin type birds are called Auks. Close cousin to penguins. I don't know whether the Inuit hunt them or not. Bruce -- --

Re: tagged openings now 31, 25, 2; ncr0: queue empty.

1999-12-15 Thread Michael Reifenberger
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: ... > (da1:ncr0:0:1:0): tagged openings now 31 > (da1:ncr0:0:1:0): tagged openings now 25 > (da1:ncr0:0:1:0): tagged openings now 2 > > and then scrolling: > > ncr0: queue empty. ... > What is happening there ? Is the drive going bad ? Probably if y

Re: kernel build breakage if COMPAT_43 not defined

1999-12-15 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Matthew Dillon wrote: > > The compile dies with prototype-missing errors on osig*() routines > in kern/kern_sig.c and i386/i386/machdep.c if COMPAT_43 is not defined. This is a known problem. We need to introduce something like COMPAT_FBSD3 and make the code conditional on that. It's now

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Donn Miller
"Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > I was under the impression that Polar Bears are native to the > > North Pole and penguins are from the South Pole. > > Really? What eats penguins then? Maybe walrus? Arctic Foxes. - Donn To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe free

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 1999-Dec-16 06:53:52 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Penguins are typically only found in Antarctica. And southern Australia (there are penguin colonies in both Sydney and Melbourne), New Zealand, the southern bits of South America, South Georgia Island, probably South Africa. Hemisphericall

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread patrick
On 15 Dec, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> Polar bears and Inuits are found near the North Pole (Alaska, >> Greenland, etc). >> >> Penguins are typically only found in Antarctica. Their only natural >> enemies are killer whales and leopard seals. > > I knew we'd get to the bottom of this eventually

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Sanford Owings
> Okpicky time here. > > Polar bears and Inuits are found near the North Pole (Alaska, > Greenland, etc). > > Penguins are typically only found in Antarctica. Their only natural > enemies are killer whales and leopard seals. So then ... "Orca"! -- Sanford Owings EECS Instructional Group S

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> Polar bears and Inuits are found near the North Pole (Alaska, > Greenland, etc). > > Penguins are typically only found in Antarctica. Their only natural > enemies are killer whales and leopard seals. I knew we'd get to the bottom of this eventually. We're hackers, not naturalists! :-) OK, I

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> I was under the impression that Polar Bears are native to the > North Pole and penguins are from the South Pole. Really? What eats penguins then? Maybe walrus? - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Darren Wiebe
Jon Parise wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 11:44:17AM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > Call it Inuit. (rationale: Inuit feed on pinguins (right?)) > > > > How about PolarBear in that case? :) > > I was under the impression that Polar Bears are native to the > North Pole and penguins a

Re: make world broken building fortunes

1999-12-15 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 1999-Dec-15 19:57:49 +1100, Sheldon Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> -gnu/usr.bin/bison gnu/usr.bin/cc >> +gnu/usr.bin/bison gnu/usr.bin/cc gnu/usr.bin/texinfo > >Presumably this hunk is a stray fix for something other than the fortune >database? :-) Yes it is. I was having problem

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread patrick
On 15 Dec, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> Call it Inuit. (rationale: Inuit feed on pinguins (right?)) > > How about PolarBear in that case? :) Okpicky time here. Polar bears and Inuits are found near the North Pole (Alaska, Greenland, etc). Penguins are typically only found in Antarctica. Th

Re: Serious server-side NFS problem

1999-12-15 Thread Andrew Gallatin
Matthew Dillon writes: > > : > : > :Matthew Dillon writes: > : > This is very odd. Does it lockup with UDP or only with TCP? And only > : > with a solaris client? > : > :This appears to be solaris only. I just tried a UDP mount & I see the > :same problem. Is there anythin

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Jon Parise
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 11:44:17AM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Call it Inuit. (rationale: Inuit feed on pinguins (right?)) > > How about PolarBear in that case? :) I was under the impression that Polar Bears are native to the North Pole and penguins are from the South Pole. Promoting a

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Wilko Bulte wrote: > > Whatever [CG]UI you throw at the problem at hand: there is *NO* programmer- > fixable way out from cluelessnes. What good would be a system that is > a snap to install but once it is installed it says # to you? It says /etc/motd to you, actually. :-) -- Daniel C. Sobral

Re: Sound Blaster 128 PCI (ESS1371) support in current?

1999-12-15 Thread Russell Cattelan
Thomas Veldhouse wrote: > Does the newpcm system support the Sound Blaster 128 PCI card (ESS1371 > chipset)? I am aware of a pcm dirver for it in STABLE, but I have not > tried it. The only major problems have been with certain ASUS motherboards and some of the newer PCI128's. (the card freezes

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Darren Wiebe
Wilko Bulte wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 05:28:32PM -0600, Chris Costello wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 14, 1999, Donn Miller wrote: > > > Maybe we could call it "sysconfig", in honor of the old > > > /etc/sysconfig file that was superceded bt /etc/rc.conf. > > > >That's not very creative! I

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> Call it Inuit. (rationale: Inuit feed on pinguins (right?)) How about PolarBear in that case? :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

kernel build breakage if COMPAT_43 not defined

1999-12-15 Thread Matthew Dillon
The compile dies with prototype-missing errors on osig*() routines in kern/kern_sig.c and i386/i386/machdep.c if COMPAT_43 is not defined. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body

Re: Today's make world breakage

1999-12-15 Thread Tom Bartol
Ditto here. Tom On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Forrest Aldrich wrote: > FYI just CVSup'd and got this: > > > > X-UIDL: 495287ccf607850cc65e4c59c7b49751 > > cd /usr/src/lib/librpcsvc; make beforeinstall > cd /usr/src/lib/libskey;make beforeinstall > sh /usr/src/tools

tagged openings now 31, 25, 2; ncr0: queue empty.

1999-12-15 Thread Hellmuth Michaelis
>From the keyboard of Hellmuth Michaelis: > > from time to time (i have no idea how to reproduce it or what causes it) i get > the following message on the console of one of my current systems: > > (da1:ncr0:0:1:0): tagged openings now 31 > > The drive causing this is a > > da1 at ncr0 b

Re: Serious server-side NFS problem

1999-12-15 Thread Andrew Gallatin
Matthew Dillon writes: > > :Also, while read performance has improved by 44%, write performance > :has degraded by between 50 - 70% (FreeBSD clients)! Here are some > :quick benchmarks. Note that the file size of 512MB is larger than > :memory on both the server and client. Also note tha

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 03:32:09PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > And: how many people would volunteer for such a job? > > Or is it assumed that since this appears suspiciously like Real Work > > it will be a paid-for job? > > It will be a paid-for job, naturally. :) > Something we also ha

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 05:44:32PM -0600, Chris Costello wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > This does, however, have all the risks of building yet another SMIT or > > SAM. :-( Neither attempt at making Unix sysadm 'user-friendly' makes > > me want to cheer. > >What do you w

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 05:28:32PM -0600, Chris Costello wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 1999, Donn Miller wrote: > > Maybe we could call it "sysconfig", in honor of the old > > /etc/sysconfig file that was superceded bt /etc/rc.conf. > >That's not very creative! I had "Trident" in mind. Only > pr

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 11:33:19PM +1030, Mark Newton wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 10:41:56AM +0100, Thomas Runge wrote: > > For mainly server-oriented, the "install source to update" or > > console-based setups are quite enough, because the system will > > most probably administraded by p

Re: Serious server-side NFS problem

1999-12-15 Thread Matthew Dillon
:Also, while read performance has improved by 44%, write performance :has degraded by between 50 - 70% (FreeBSD clients)! Here are some :quick benchmarks. Note that the file size of 512MB is larger than :memory on both the server and client. Also note that the disk array :on the server will re

Today's make world breakage

1999-12-15 Thread Forrest Aldrich
FYI just CVSup'd and got this: X-UIDL: 495287ccf607850cc65e4c59c7b49751 cd /usr/src/lib/librpcsvc; make beforeinstall cd /usr/src/lib/libskey;make beforeinstall sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 /usr/src/lib/libskey/skey.h /usr/obj/usr/s

make world breakage

1999-12-15 Thread Steve Kargl
FreeBSD-current source cvsup'd at 1034pst on 991215. -- >>> Building libraries -- cd /usr/src; COMPILER_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin L

Re: Sound Blaster 128 PCI (ESS1371) support in current?

1999-12-15 Thread Clive Lin
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 12:37:43PM -0500, Donn Miller wrote: > > I've got the ESS 1868 chipset, and all I get is static. In fact, when I > press the "play" button in RealPlayer, the sound clip never starts but > hangs in the beginning. Then, RealPlayer itself hangs. I end up killing > RealPlay

INET6 userland tools

1999-12-15 Thread Chad David
I may be missing the obvious, but what is everybody using for userland tools (ping6 etc) on current? I haven't tried, but will the kame-snap tools for 3 work? Thanks Chad To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

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