Re: About 5.0 and Nvidia drivers

2002-08-09 Thread David O'Brien

On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 12:58:03AM -0400, Alp ATICI wrote:
 I guess that is never going to be the case. Since ATI does not produce 
 drivers for linux (or any other UNIX) and has no such plans (AFAIK).

I don't know why you think that.  I sent a week in Germany with ATI's
FireGL Linux driver team.

http://mirror.ati.com/support/driver.html certainly lists Linux/XFree86
as an OS choice and the various FireGL products.  I bet one of these
drivers would work with newer Radeon cards.

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Re: About 5.0 and Nvidia drivers

2002-08-04 Thread Andrew Kolchoogin

Hi!

On Sat, Aug 03, 2002 at 06:38:11PM -0400, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:

 ugh, sounds like the lip-service I was getting. I'll look into that :/
 No, they're working on it, and actually have GL running in the lab.
Well, and, as under Linux, there will be an a closed-source library and
a kernel module permamently takes kernel to the hell of core dumps?

 I'm starting to ponder the legality and challenge involved in reverse
 engineering the card and building a driver from scratch... maybe
 something that works with X the X way (dri/drm)
 You're a funny guy.
There is another FreeBSD/NVidia Initiative to develop DRI-capable driver
for FreeBSD. Did you contact him?

 You'd be better off working with ATI or the PowerVR people.
You want to say me that there is an ATI graphics card that is more powerful
than NVidia GeForce?

Sorry, but FreeBSD is really good operating system. Good enough for use it
on servers. As a system programmer, I wish to have a copy of it on my home
desktop. And my son/daughter wish to play games on same desktop.

What should I do? Change video cards every day? Whatever?

Or use ancient 16-bit NVidia drivers not capable to use even 1152x864x110 Hz?

Andrew.

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Re: About 5.0 and Nvidia drivers

2002-08-04 Thread Dan Moschuk


| You want to say me that there is an ATI graphics card that is more powerful
| than NVidia GeForce?
|
| Sorry, but FreeBSD is really good operating system. Good enough for use it
| on servers. As a system programmer, I wish to have a copy of it on my home
| desktop. And my son/daughter wish to play games on same desktop.
|
| What should I do? Change video cards every day? Whatever?

It sounds like dual booting would be a better idea here.  Boot into FreeBSD 
when you want to code, boot into Windows when your son/daughter wish
to play games.

-Dan

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Re: About 5.0 and Nvidia drivers

2002-08-04 Thread Alp Atici

Dan Moschuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:aijim2$2t69$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 It sounds like dual booting would be a better idea here.  Boot into
FreeBSD
 when you want to code, boot into Windows when your son/daughter wish
 to play games.


I don't think that's a good idea at all.  That FreeBSD is very good as a
server OS does not mean that
it should not support my graphics hardware. 3D/2D graphics is not only about
playing games. But the
problem here is with NVidia. Because they have to provide the drivers.
Selling a video card without specifying
how to access the video card is like selling a microwave oven without
labeled buttons.

Anyway some part of my original question isn't listed under freebsd current
mailing list archives.
I don't know what the problem was, but here's the more relevant part with
the current...

--
By the time 5.0 is released do you aim to complete all the planned
features at www.freebsd.org/smp? (like full kernel preemption) I know it's
a tentative list but still if there's a consensus about that let me know.
Will 5.0 stable be created after KSE milestone 4 commit?

I just wanted to know more about the release policy. After 5.0 stable is
released, is the development in the current branch completely be named
6.0? (and any possibly new features (like finer grained locking) will be
available in 6.0 stable) Or is the development in current tree will
continue to be merged with 5.x for some time?





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Re: About 5.0 and Nvidia drivers

2002-08-04 Thread Steve Kargl

On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 01:10:28PM -0400, Alp Atici wrote:

 By the time 5.0 is released do you aim to complete all the planned
 features at www.freebsd.org/smp? (like full kernel preemption) I know it's
 a tentative list but still if there's a consensus about that let me know.

The aim is to complete as many feature as possiblei without
shipping a broken 5.0.  There is, however, a limited number
of hands doing to dirty work.

 Will 5.0 stable be created after KSE milestone 4 commit?

No. 5.0-STABLE will be created after 5.0-RELEASE.  However,
Julian will probably have (a portion of) KSE milestone 4
committed before 5.0-RELEASE is released.

 I just wanted to know more about the release policy. 

http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html

 After 5.0 stable is released, is the development in the current
 branch completely be named 6.0?

Yes.

 Or is the development in current tree will continue to be merged
 with 5.x for some time?

Features in the FreeBSD-current tree are often merged back to
FreeBSD-stable.  This include features in 5.x that get merged
back to FreeBSD 4.x.  There is no reason why features added
to 6.x can't be merged back to 5.x (other than man power).


-- 
Steve

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Re: About 5.0 and Nvidia drivers

2002-08-03 Thread Munish Chopra

On 2002-08-03 12:14 +, Alp ATICI wrote:

[snip]

 
 And what's the latest about the Nvidia drivers? It's mentioned that
 Nvidia has plans to produce the drivers for FreeBSD. I'd be happy to know
 what's going on in that issue too.
 

We know about as much as you do. Waiting for NVIDIA, once again. I'll
fire off a mail to some of our contacts and ask, but I'm pretty sure
it'll be more of the same we usually get.

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Re: About 5.0 and Nvidia drivers

2002-08-03 Thread Matthew N. Dodd

On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Alp ATICI wrote:
 And what's the latest about the Nvidia drivers? It's mentioned that
 Nvidia has plans to produce the drivers for FreeBSD. I'd be happy to
 know what's going on in that issue too.

Any day now.

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Re: About 5.0 and Nvidia drivers

2002-08-03 Thread Thierry Herbelot

Le Saturday 03 August 2002 22:09, Matthew N. Dodd a écrit :
 On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Alp ATICI wrote:
  And what's the latest about the Nvidia drivers? It's mentioned that
  Nvidia has plans to produce the drivers for FreeBSD. I'd be happy to
  know what's going on in that issue too.

 Any day now.

wow !

what will this driver know to do ? (any URL to begin RTFMing ?)

TfH

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Re: About 5.0 and Nvidia drivers

2002-08-03 Thread Matthew N. Dodd

On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Thierry Herbelot wrote:
 Le Saturday 03 August 2002 22:09, Matthew N. Dodd a écrit :
  On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Alp ATICI wrote:
   And what's the latest about the Nvidia drivers? It's mentioned that
   Nvidia has plans to produce the drivers for FreeBSD. I'd be happy to
   know what's going on in that issue too.
 
  Any day now.

 wow !

 what will this driver know to do ? (any URL to begin RTFMing ?)

Sorry, this has been the status for months now.

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Re: About 5.0 and Nvidia drivers

2002-08-03 Thread Matthew N. Dodd

On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Erik Greenwald wrote:
 ugh, sounds like the lip-service I was getting. I'll look into that :/

No, they're working on it, and actually have GL running in the lab.

 I'm starting to ponder the legality and challenge involved in reverse
 engineering the card and building a driver from scratch... maybe
 something that works with X the X way (dri/drm)

You're a funny guy.

You'd be better off working with ATI or the PowerVR people.

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