Re: CVS Issues with branch.. Was: Re: HEADS UP: Be nice to -CURRENT ( 1 week Feature Slush )

2002-03-15 Thread Robert Watson
On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Nate Williams wrote: Only in very rare cases do we run into a problem where we have to create a branch. In that case, the developer responsible for the release creates a branch from his checked out tree (there's no law against creating a branch from sources that are

Re: CVS Issues with branch.. Was: Re: HEADS UP: Be nice to-CURRENT ( 1 week Feature Slush )

2002-03-15 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 2:17 PM -0500 3/15/02, Robert Watson wrote: My feeling is that at this point, we probably should just use Perforce due to limitations in CVS. This seems fine to me. I am uneasy about perforce in cases where someone is developing something which is *meant* to be merged back into the main

CVS Issues with branch.. Was: Re: HEADS UP: Be nice to -CURRENT ( 1 week Feature Slush )

2002-03-14 Thread Peter Wemm
Murray Stokely wrote: On March 15, a RELENG_5_0_DP1 branch will be created in CVS for final release polishing. This will allow us to provide translated release notes, sync up sysinstall and the package set, bump version numbers, and tweak default diagnostic settings without further

Re: CVS Issues with branch.. Was: Re: HEADS UP: Be nice to -CURRENT ( 1 week Feature Slush )

2002-03-14 Thread Bruce A. Mah
[Trimming Cc list a little bit] If memory serves me right, Peter Wemm wrote: Actually, with my CVS hat on, I have a *huge* problem with this. In the future, if you see such huge problems come up, a little more advance notice might be nice. :-( We have a large number of temporary repo

Re: CVS Issues with branch.. Was: Re: HEADS UP: Be nice to -CURRENT ( 1 week Feature Slush )

2002-03-14 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Bruce A. Mah [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Differences of opinion on naming aside...the branch isn't supposed to last long at all. The point is to provide a slightly polished snapshot to the wider developer community. We can't do the QA/releng work on HEAD without calling for a code freeze

Re: CVS Issues with branch.. Was: Re: HEADS UP: Be nice to -CURRENT( 1 week Feature Slush )

2002-03-14 Thread Doug Barton
On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Bruce A. Mah wrote: I can't imagine why anyone would expect to cvsup this thing at some point in the distant future Rule number one of release engineering... user's will do all kinds of wacky stuff that you would never expect them to do, and complain bitterly when

Re: CVS Issues with branch.. Was: Re: HEADS UP: Be nice to -CURRENT ( 1 week Feature Slush )

2002-03-14 Thread Robert Watson
On 15 Mar 2002, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Bruce A. Mah [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Differences of opinion on naming aside...the branch isn't supposed to last long at all. The point is to provide a slightly polished snapshot to the wider developer community. We can't do the QA/releng

Re: CVS Issues with branch.. Was: Re: HEADS UP: Be nice to -CURRENT ( 1 week Feature Slush )

2002-03-14 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Robert Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's worth noting, BTW, that originally the release engineering team planned to use Perforce for this to avoid the branch issue entirely, minimize impact on the main tree, etc, but decided not to due to the high volume of complaints on the topic. If it

Re: CVS Issues with branch.. Was: Re: HEADS UP: Be nice to -CURRENT ( 1 week Feature Slush )

2002-03-14 Thread Murray Stokely
On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 03:32:00AM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Bruce A. Mah [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Differences of opinion on naming aside...the branch isn't supposed to last long at all. The point is to provide a slightly polished snapshot to the wider developer community. We

Re: CVS Issues with branch.. Was: Re: HEADS UP: Be nice to -CURRENT ( 1 week Feature Slush )

2002-03-14 Thread Murray Stokely
On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 04:40:08PM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: If this is going to be a static release (calling it RELENG_5_anything is a mistake IMHO) then this isn't a big deal. But if people are expecting it to have ongoing secirity fixes etc like we do with RELENG_4_5 etc then we have a