Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-21 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Daniel Eischen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Can you add a no -pthread symbol to it? Can you give it a rest? You made a bad call, people are giving you grief for it. That is not a bikeshed. Warner ___ [EMAIL

Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-21 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Daniel Eischen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Can you add a no -pthread symbol to it? Can you give it a rest? You made a bad call, people are giving you grief for it. That is not a bikeshed. It's just

Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-21 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Daniel Eischen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : It's just a joke at my own expense. Sorry to imply otherwise. Yea. My snapping at you was out of line. I'm just a little frustrated and let it get the better of me. Please forgive me. Warner

Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-20 Thread Brad Knowles
of thing. Per request, I have updated my version of the FreeBSD No Bikeshed t-shirt at http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=cmvp.6951805. I removed the BSDCon'03 text at the bottom and replaced it with No Bikeshed. The slightly modified graphics I created for this shirt are available

Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-20 Thread Daniel Eischen
abroad, but I doubt they are set up for that sort of thing. Per request, I have updated my version of the FreeBSD No Bikeshed t-shirt at http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=cmvp.6951805. I removed the BSDCon'03 text at the bottom and replaced it with No Bikeshed

Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-20 Thread Brad Knowles
At 1:29 AM -0400 2003/09/21, Daniel Eischen wrote: Can you add a no -pthread symbol to it? I could do up an ash grey t-shirt with slightly modified graphics. What would a no -pthread symbol look like? -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a

Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-20 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Brad Knowles wrote: At 1:29 AM -0400 2003/09/21, Daniel Eischen wrote: Can you add a no -pthread symbol to it? I could do up an ash grey t-shirt with slightly modified graphics. What would a no -pthread symbol look like? I'd imagine a thread would

Re: bikeshed

2003-09-14 Thread Greg Lehey
! You have to admit that is just a bit ironic. Well, the reason I didn't answer until now was that I was eating some sort of fish (species now forgotten). But let me make it 100% clear: You can use the no bikeshed logo for anything you want, anywhere you want, anytime you want

Re: bikeshed

2003-09-13 Thread Liew Jay Sern
I missed BSDcon 03, what's a bikeshed got to do with anything, anyway? (besides bikes). Jay Sern Liew [EMAIL PROTECTED],ieee}.org gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 0xA115A33F

Re: bikeshed

2003-09-13 Thread Bill Moran
Liew Jay Sern wrote: I missed BSDcon 03, what's a bikeshed got to do with anything, anyway? (besides bikes). Let's see if I remember the story correctly: If you were building a nuclear reactor, your board of directors would likely agree with you on just about anything you tried to do, since

Re: bikeshed

2003-09-13 Thread Thorsten Greiner
* Liew Jay Sern [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-09-13 17:07]: I missed BSDcon 03, what's a bikeshed got to do with anything, anyway? (besides bikes). See the Handbook here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-PAINTING Regards -Thorsten -- You can't carve

Re: bikeshed

2003-09-13 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Bill Moran wrote: Thus building a bikeshed has become a euphamism for discussing relatively unimportant details into the ground. Just to point out a few examples, whenever someone wants to tweak with the rc scripts, or discuss what sysinstall should or shouldn't do, or even if we should bundle

Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-12 Thread Brad Knowles
At 5:02 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Yes, absolutely. Okay, it should be down in a few minutes. You misunderstood: Yes, it is absolutely OK for you do print T-shirts, mugs, or anything else you might want to use it on. Sorry about that. Originally I wasn't sure, but on

Re: bikeshed

2003-09-12 Thread Brad Knowles
At 5:10 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: You can use the no bikeshed logo for anything you want, anywhere you want, anytime you want with the following simple exception: Okay, the t-shirt is back, although now it's white instead of ash grey. See http://www.cafeshops.com/cp

Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-12 Thread Brad Knowles
At 5:02 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: You misunderstood: Yes, it is absolutely OK for you do print T-shirts, mugs, or anything else you might want to use it on. Sorry for the confusion. My version is now back at http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=cmvp.6951805. -- Brad

Re: bikeshed

2003-09-12 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: You can use the no bikeshed logo for anything you want, anywhere you want, anytime you want with the following simple exception: YOU MAY NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES _EVER_ make it the subject of a bikeshed discussion. Spoilsport. -- Daniel C. Sobral

OT Re: bikeshed

2003-09-12 Thread Robert =?unknown-8bit?q?Blacqui=E8re?=
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 10:43:22AM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: At 5:10 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: You can use the no bikeshed logo for anything you want, anywhere you want, anytime you want with the following simple exception: Okay, the t-shirt is back, although

Re: bikeshed

2003-09-12 Thread Michael W. Lucas
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 05:10:39AM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Well, the reason I didn't answer until now was that I was eating some sort of fish (species now forgotten). Sea bass. ==ml -- Michael Lucas [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today's chance of throwing it all away

The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
The bikeshed T-shirt which has been referred about was only produced in 5 copies and I hadn't really expected that so many people would ask me about it. I don't want to get into the clothing business, so if you want one, you'll probably have to make it yourself. I can ask the company which

Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-11 Thread Robert Watson
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: The bikeshed T-shirt which has been referred about was only produced in 5 copies and I hadn't really expected that so many people would ask me about it. I don't want to get into the clothing business, so if you want one, you'll probably have

RE: The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-11 Thread Cagle, John (ISS-Houston)
, 2003 6:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The bikeshed T-shirt The bikeshed T-shirt which has been referred about was only produced in 5 copies and I hadn't really expected that so many people would ask me about it. I don't want to get into the clothing business, so if you want one

Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-11 Thread Brad Knowles
At 1:05 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: I don't want to get into the clothing business, so if you want one, you'll probably have to make it yourself. I can ask the company which produced them if they will be willing to ship abroad, but I doubt they are set up for that sort of

Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brad Knowles writes: I have interpreted your post to mean that it's okay for other people to print up t-shirts, based on this image. However, if you prefer that I take this down, just let me know. Yes, absolutely. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since

Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-11 Thread Brad Knowles
At 2:11 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Yes, absolutely. Okay, it should be down in a few minutes. If you are serious about wanting to make the image available to others for use on t-shirts, I would encourage you to set up your own CafePress shop, as one of the easiest ways to

Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-11 Thread Brad Knowles
is at http://www.shub-internet.org/brad/pictures/freebsd-bikeshed.png. I will leave my PNG version of the bikeshed graphic in place, unless I get another request from PHK to remove it. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve

RE: The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-11 Thread David Schwartz
At 2:11 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Yes, absolutely. Okay, it should be down in a few minutes. If you are serious about wanting to make the image available to others for use on t-shirts, I would encourage you to set up your own CafePress shop, as one of

Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-11 Thread Andrew Thompson
Brad Knowles wrote: At 2:00 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Brad Knowles wrote: Problem solved. See http://www.cafeshops.com/cmvp.7534915. Note that these are being sold at cost (something any other CafePress member can confirm). Per PHK's request, I am taking this down. My interpretation of

Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-11 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Brad Knowles wrote: At 2:11 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Yes, absolutely. Okay, it should be down in a few minutes. If you are serious about wanting to make the image available to others for use on t-shirts, I would encourage you to set up your own CafePress shop,

Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-11 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
David Schwartz wrote: At 2:11 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Yes, absolutely. Okay, it should be down in a few minutes. If you are serious about wanting to make the image available to others for use on t-shirts, I would encourage you to set up your own CafePress

Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-11 Thread Brad Knowles
At 10:17 PM -0300 2003/09/11, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: Yes. Maybe we should remove Brad's commit bit until he puts the t-shirt up again??? :-) I concede that I may have mis-interpreted PHK's response, but before I consider putting the shirt design back up, I need to get explicit confirmation

bikeshed

2003-09-11 Thread masta
Did you ever consider that your doing exactly what phk's logo protests? ;) Maybe that is why phk hasn't responded any further, because he's laughing at you! You have to admit that is just a bit ironic. -masta At 10:17 PM -0300 2003/09/11, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: Yes. Maybe we should remove

Re: The bikeshed T-shirt

2003-09-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brad Knowles writes: At 2:11 AM +0200 2003/09/12, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Yes, absolutely. Okay, it should be down in a few minutes. You misunderstood: Yes, it is absolutely OK for you do print T-shirts, mugs, or anything else you might want to use it

Re: bikeshed

2003-09-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
answer until now was that I was eating some sort of fish (species now forgotten). But let me make it 100% clear: You can use the no bikeshed logo for anything you want, anywhere you want, anytime you want with the following simple exception: YOU MAY NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES _EVER_ make

Re: bikeshed

2003-09-11 Thread David O'Brien
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 04:02:03AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you ever consider that your doing exactly what phk's logo protests? ;) Maybe that is why phk hasn't responded any further, because he's laughing at you! You have to admit that is just a bit ironic. Actually looks more like

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-10 Thread Mark Murray
So if someone were willing to take over the lot and manage them as Ports, how would anyone feel about this? FreeGrep uses the FreeBSD build style and is easily a Port. I could Port-ify the entire directory in, say, two days. Anyone interested? I've got the port-ifying job 90% done, in

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-10 Thread Mark Murray
Also, if this happened, should fortune be treated differently and moved into src/usr.bin? Or should it become a port? Neither. For the time being, the utilityish things in games stay where they are. This is things like morse(6), pom(6), etc, and it includes everyone's favourite - fortune(6).

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-10 Thread Jose M. Alcaide
On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 10:42:46AM -0700, Nate Lawson wrote: On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Jose M. Alcaide wrote: What do you think about moving fortune, primes, factor, grdc, pom, etc. to /usr/bin, and then removing /usr/games? The most clever way to axe one change is to suggest an additional,

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-10 Thread James Howard
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Mark Murray wrote: So if someone were willing to take over the lot and manage them as Ports, how would anyone feel about this? FreeGrep uses the FreeBSD build style and is easily a Port. I could Port-ify the entire directory in, say, two days. Anyone interested?

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-10 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On (2002/10/10 06:55), James Howard wrote: If you want to maintain it, I'd be delighted! Are you a committer? I could use a new hobby, but I am not a committer. Have you given up on your grep implementation? :-) Quite a few folks were really looking forward to it. Ciao, Sheldon. To

src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Mark Murray
a port out of these and remove them from the base distribution. Let the bikeshed begin. Please try to keep some sense of focus. M -- o Mark Murray \_ O.\_Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread rob
_by_default_. In some cases, better upgrades are already available in ports (hack -- nethack). I would like to make a port out of these and remove them from the base distribution. Let the bikeshed begin. Please try to keep some sense of focus. M -- o Mark Murray \_ O.\_ Warning: this .sig is umop ap

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Tim Robbins
On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 11:29:08AM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: What remains? All the games that dm(6) oversees. Things like adventure(6), trek(6), battlestar(6) and so on. These are good candidates for ports IMO. Folks may want to play them, but there is no point in wasting time and space on

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Tony Finch
There's an open PR about factor(6) not working on 64bit arches; I'm preparing to import NetBSD's version which uses the OpenSSL bignum library. There are associated stylistic improvements to primes(6) -- they share a table of primes up to about 2^16. Tony. -- f.a.n.finch [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Mark Murray
I'd like to see these removed only if nobody is willing to maintain them. Check lines 70-75 of src/games/larn/main.c for an example of how out of touch they are with what's considered to be good practice (5 buffer overflows in 6 lines of code). Merging in NetBSD and/or OpenBSD's changes would

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Stephen J. Roznowski
On 9 Oct, Tim Robbins wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 11:29:08AM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: What remains? All the games that dm(6) oversees. Things like adventure(6), trek(6), battlestar(6) and so on. These are good candidates for ports IMO. Folks may want to play them, but there is no

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Mark Murray
There's an open PR about factor(6) not working on 64bit arches; I'm preparing to import NetBSD's version which uses the OpenSSL bignum library. There are associated stylistic improvements to primes(6) -- they share a table of primes up to about 2^16. Primes(6) is safe. This program has

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Mark Murray
I've had a patch in the system (bin/12727) since 1999/07/20 that does just this for the NetBSD patches. I've tried a few times to get it committed. See the patch for details... This is good to have, but it doesn't change the fact that these games are 1970's technology. :-) How would it be

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Stephen J. Roznowski
On 9 Oct, Mark Murray wrote: I've had a patch in the system (bin/12727) since 1999/07/20 that does just this for the NetBSD patches. I've tried a few times to get it committed. See the patch for details... This is good to have, but it doesn't change the fact that these games are 1970's

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Mark Murray
This really doesn't matter to me (ports vice base). I was reacting to the rot of the code comments. I also don't have a (major) problem that this patch was never committed -- there are other more important things for the committers to work on. :-) Rot applies more to design, rather than

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Stephen J. Roznowski
On 9 Oct, Mark Murray wrote: This really doesn't matter to me (ports vice base). I was reacting to the rot of the code comments. I also don't have a (major) problem that this patch was never committed -- there are other more important things for the committers to work on. :-) Rot applies

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 11:29:08AM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: I would like to make a port out of these and remove them from the base distribution. I think this is a fine idea. However, patch please so we know exactly what we are talking about. Some of the games are used in 'make world'. To

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 02:16:09PM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: I've had a patch in the system (bin/12727) since 1999/07/20 that does just this for the NetBSD patches. I've tried a few times to get it committed. See the patch for details... This is good to have, but it doesn't change the

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 09:47:12AM -0400, Stephen J. Roznowski wrote: On 9 Oct, Mark Murray wrote: I've had a patch in the system (bin/12727) since 1999/07/20 that does just this for the NetBSD patches. I've tried a few times to get it committed. See the patch for details... This is

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Stephen J. Roznowski
On 9 Oct, David O'Brien wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 09:47:12AM -0400, Stephen J. Roznowski wrote: On 9 Oct, Mark Murray wrote: I've had a patch in the system (bin/12727) since 1999/07/20 that does just this for the NetBSD patches. I've tried a few times to get it committed. See the

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Stephen J. Roznowski
On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 02:16:09PM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: I've had a patch in the system (bin/12727) since 1999/07/20 that does just this for the NetBSD patches. I've tried a few times to get it committed. See the patch for details... This is good to have, but it doesn't change

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Mark Murray
I'll assume that dm would just be deleted as part of moving this to ports? Or would the games portion of ports be reconfigued to run under dm? I am planning on not using dm(6), yes. M -- o Mark Murray \_ O.\_Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Mark Murray
I would recomend calling the port 44bsd-games and using the NetBSD repository as the distfile. NetBSD has even fixed bugs in wargames(6). Why wouldn't these be broken apart? Perhaps a meta-port? If you want to do that, go ahead. My plan is to move some _FreeBSD_ games into a port and

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Mark Murray
On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 11:29:08AM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: I would like to make a port out of these and remove them from the base distribution. I think this is a fine idea. However, patch please so we know exactly what we are talking about. Some of the games are used in 'make world'.

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 04:09:58PM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: Index: Makefile.inc1 === RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/Makefile.inc1,v retrieving revision 1.304 diff -u -d -r1.304 Makefile.inc1 --- Makefile.inc1 17 Sep 2002

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 04:23:20PM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: --- Makefile.inc1 17 Sep 2002 01:48:47 - 1.304 +++ Makefile.inc1 8 Oct 2002 21:40:05 - @@ -601,10 +601,6 @@ # # build-tools: Build special purpose build tools # -.if exists(${.CURDIR}/games)

RE: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread John Baldwin
On 09-Oct-2002 Mark Murray wrote: Hi The current flare-up over src/games/wargames reminds me that we are carrying a bunch of Really Old Stuff in usr/games/. Yes folks, its that time of the year. I ask myself, why are we wasting ``make world'' time and install bandwidth on 1970's-era

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Jose M. Alcaide
On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 03:56:11PM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: If you want to do that, go ahead. My plan is to move some _FreeBSD_ games into a port and remove them from base. What do you think about moving fortune, primes, factor, grdc, pom, etc. to /usr/bin, and then removing /usr/games? JMA

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Mark Murray
On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 03:56:11PM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: If you want to do that, go ahead. My plan is to move some _FreeBSD_ games into a port and remove them from base. What do you think about moving fortune, primes, factor, grdc, pom, etc. to /usr/bin, and then removing /usr/games?

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Tony Finch
Below is my proposed patch to primes(6) and factor(6) which I plan to commit in one go since the changes are somewhat inter-dependent. Feedback is welcomed. I'm in the process of fixing the manual. Merge changes from NetBSD and perform some cleaning up. primes: const-correctness and removal

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 05:00:21PM +0100, Tony Finch wrote: Below is my proposed patch to primes(6) and factor(6) which I plan to commit in one go since the changes are somewhat inter-dependent. Feedback is welcomed. I'm in the process of fixing the manual. Merge changes from NetBSD and

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 08:59:42PM +1000, Tim Robbins wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 11:29:08AM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: What remains? All the games that dm(6) oversees. Things like adventure(6), trek(6), battlestar(6) and so on. These are good candidates for ports IMO. Folks may want

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 05:00:21PM +0100, Tony Finch wrote: +.if !defined(NO_OPENSSL) +CFLAGS+=-DHAVE_OPENSSL +LDADD+= -lcrypto +DPADD+= ${LIBCRYPTO} +.endif You also need to check that the crypto sources are installed. Kris msg44386/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Tony Finch
On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 10:08:24AM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 05:00:21PM +0100, Tony Finch wrote: +.if !defined(NO_OPENSSL) +CFLAGS+=-DHAVE_OPENSSL +LDADD+=-lcrypto +DPADD+=${LIBCRYPTO} +.endif You also need to check that the crypto sources are

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Nate Lawson
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Jose M. Alcaide wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 03:56:11PM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: If you want to do that, go ahead. My plan is to move some _FreeBSD_ games into a port and remove them from base. What do you think about moving fortune, primes, factor, grdc, pom, etc.

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Matthew Dillon
So, Mark, does all of this extracurricular activity mean that 4.7-RELEASE is done? Or are we still in freeze? -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Terry Lambert
, but there is no point in wasting time and space on them _by_default_. In some cases, better upgrades are already available in ports (hack -- nethack). I would like to make a port out of these and remove them from the base distribution. Let the bikeshed begin. Please try to keep some sense

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Terry Lambert
Mark Murray wrote: I've had a patch in the system (bin/12727) since 1999/07/20 that does just this for the NetBSD patches. I've tried a few times to get it committed. See the patch for details... This is good to have, but it doesn't change the fact that these games are 1970's

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Terry Lambert
David O'Brien wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 02:16:09PM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: How would it be for you if these patches became part of the games in the ports collection? (Somewhat like ports/net/freebsd-uucp?) I would recomend calling the port 44bsd-games and using the NetBSD

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Terry Lambert
, and then removing /usr/games? Maybe later. One thing at a time. :-) We're building a *bikeshed* here! What good is a *bikeshed*, if yu move all the bikes ino the garage?!? 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-O }|^) -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Mark Murray
Mark Murray wrote: I've had a patch in the system (bin/12727) since 1999/07/20 that does just this for the NetBSD patches. I've tried a few times to get it committed. See the patch for details... This is good to have, but it doesn't change the fact that these games are 1970's

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 06:27:37PM +0100, Tony Finch wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 10:08:24AM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 05:00:21PM +0100, Tony Finch wrote: +.if !defined(NO_OPENSSL) +CFLAGS+=-DHAVE_OPENSSL +LDADD+= -lcrypto +DPADD+= ${LIBCRYPTO}

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Mark Murray
They do not have a strong maintainer and follower base, so they should be removed to ports, where they will continue to exist because they have such a strong maintainer and follower base that they will have their own FTP site from which the source will be maintained by third parties,

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Nate Lawson
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: On tradition: I actually think the main reason for maintaining them is nostalgia; most of us who learned how to program on shared computing resources remember the games as one of the things that sparked our initial interest in the computers. People

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Chris Doherty
On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 08:28:13PM +0100, Mark Murray said: That said... rain is a neat display hack. It's at least as good as the ASCII art VGA library. I probably would not miss anything else, or anything that wasn't multiplayer, very much, if at all... it looks like an axeing may be

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Mark Murray
Rain looks ridiculous on a VTY. Last time it looked ok was on a 9600 baud terminal. from the man page: The output of rain is modeled after the VAX/VMS program of the same name. To obtain the proper effect, either the terminal must be set for 9600 baud or the -d option

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Terry Lambert
Mark Murray wrote: This is good to have, but it doesn't change the fact that these games are 1970's technology. :-) So's UNIX. 8-) 8-). Yes. But Unix is _used_. I have to admit that I use robots... 8-) 8-). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Terry Lambert
Mark Murray wrote: That said... rain is a neat display hack. It's at least as good as the ASCII art VGA library. I probably would not miss anything else, or anything that wasn't multiplayer, very much, if at all... it looks like an axeing may be in order. Rain looks ridiculous on a

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Tony Finch
Mark suggested I might want to frob primes(6) so that it uses uintmax_t, which I have done (see below) but it uses rather too much C99 goodness for -STABLE. Are things like strtoumax likely to be MFCed? Tony. -- f.a.n.finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dotat.at/ BAILEY: SOUTHEASTERLY 5 TO 7. RAIN.

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Eric Melville
The current flare-up over src/games/wargames reminds me that we are carrying a bunch of Really Old Stuff in usr/games/. Yes folks, its that time of the year. I ask myself, why are we wasting ``make world'' time and install bandwidth on 1970's-era games?. Some folks will answer

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Don Lewis
On 9 Oct, Stephen J. Roznowski wrote: On 9 Oct, Mark Murray wrote: I've had a patch in the system (bin/12727) since 1999/07/20 that does just this for the NetBSD patches. I've tried a few times to get it committed. See the patch for details... This is good to have, but it doesn't change

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 04:27:15PM -0700, Eric Melville wrote: The current flare-up over src/games/wargames reminds me that we are carrying a bunch of Really Old Stuff in usr/games/. Yes folks, its that time of the year. I ask myself, why are we wasting ``make world'' time and

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread James Howard
So if someone were willing to take over the lot and manage them as Ports, how would anyone feel about this? FreeGrep uses the FreeBSD build style and is easily a Port. I could Port-ify the entire directory in, say, two days. Anyone interested? Jamie On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 09:41

Re: src/games bikeshed time.

2002-10-09 Thread James Howard
As a quick follow up, the PR database shows between fifteen and twenty PRs relating to src/games. Also, if this happened, should fortune be treated differently and moved into src/usr.bin? Or should it become a port? Jamie On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 09:58 PM, James Howard wrote: So if