On 01-09-2012 21:40, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 01/09/2012 18:43, Tijl Coosemans wrote:
In this scenario the ports tree needs to keep support for older releases,
but that's a consequence of the fact that there's only one ports tree for
all releases. Somewhere in between the ports and the various
On 02/09/2012 01:04, Tim Kientzle wrote:
Will new versions of pkgng support old packages?
Some folks maintain their own package repositories and
will get rather grumpy if an update to pkgng requires them
to rebuild their entire repository.
There's a distinction between the format of pkg
On 09/01/2012 23:01, Matthew Seaman wrote:
As rebuilding the repo database is something you'ld do routinely anyhow
as part of normal maintenance
Errr ... what? Why would this be true? Doesn't pkg keep the repo
database up to date as it's making changes?
--
I am only one, but I am one. I
On 09/01/2012 12:59, Garrett Cooper wrote:
Again, this is part of the reason why I suggested multiple release
trains. Although it's more painful for bapt@, et all, it's ultimately
what would need to be done in order for pkgng to be packaged with a
release or set of releases.
Garrett,
I
On 02/09/2012 08:16, Doug Barton wrote:
On 09/01/2012 23:01, Matthew Seaman wrote:
As rebuilding the repo database is something you'ld do routinely anyhow
as part of normal maintenance
Errr ... what? Why would this be true? Doesn't pkg keep the repo
database up to date as it's making
On 31-08-2012 14:22, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 08:10:50AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:59:10 am Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug Barton wrote:
I agree with John on all counts here. Further, the idea of a
On 9/1/2012 7:43 PM, Tijl Coosemans wrote:
On 31-08-2012 14:22, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 08:10:50AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:59:10 am Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug Barton wrote:
I agree with
On 01/09/2012 18:43, Tijl Coosemans wrote:
In this scenario the ports tree needs to keep support for older releases,
but that's a consequence of the fact that there's only one ports tree for
all releases. Somewhere in between the ports and the various releases there
has to be some form
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Matthew Seaman matt...@freebsd.org wrote:
On 01/09/2012 18:43, Tijl Coosemans wrote:
In this scenario the ports tree needs to keep support for older releases,
but that's a consequence of the fact that there's only one ports tree for
all releases. Somewhere in
On Sat, Sep 01, 2012 at 08:40:03PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 01/09/2012 18:43, Tijl Coosemans wrote:
In this scenario the ports tree needs to keep support for older releases,
but that's a consequence of the fact that there's only one ports tree for
all releases. Somewhere in between
On Sep 1, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 01/09/2012 18:43, Tijl Coosemans wrote:
In this scenario the ports tree needs to keep support for older releases,
but that's a consequence of the fact that there's only one ports tree for
all releases. Somewhere in between the ports and
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug Barton wrote:
On 08/30/2012 07:32 AM, John Baldwin wrote:
On Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:10:24 pm Chris Rees wrote:
On 30 Aug 2012 18:03, John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org wrote:
I agree with John on all counts here. Further, the idea of a
On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:59:10 am Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug Barton wrote:
On 08/30/2012 07:32 AM, John Baldwin wrote:
On Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:10:24 pm Chris Rees wrote:
On 30 Aug 2012 18:03, John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 08:10:50AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:59:10 am Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug Barton wrote:
On 08/30/2012 07:32 AM, John Baldwin wrote:
On Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:10:24 pm Chris Rees wrote:
On 31 Aug 2012 13:15, John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:59:10 am Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug Barton wrote:
On 08/30/2012 07:32 AM, John Baldwin wrote:
On Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:10:24 pm Chris Rees wrote:
On 31-08-2012 14:22, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 08:10:50AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:59:10 am Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug Barton wrote:
I agree with John on all counts here. Further, the idea of a
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Tijl Coosemans t...@coosemans.org wrote:
On 31-08-2012 14:22, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 08:10:50AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:59:10 am Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:59 AM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug Barton wrote:
On 08/30/2012 07:32 AM, John Baldwin wrote:
On Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:10:24 pm Chris Rees wrote:
On 30 Aug 2012 18:03, John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org
On 31 August 2012 16:47, Tijl Coosemans t...@coosemans.org wrote:
On 31-08-2012 14:22, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 08:10:50AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:59:10 am Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug Barton
On Friday, August 31, 2012 9:41:13 am Chris Rees wrote:
On 31 Aug 2012 13:15, John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:59:10 am Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug Barton wrote:
On 08/30/2012 07:32 AM, John Baldwin wrote:
Hi,
I think the details of the patch would need to be worked out a bit,
but I think you are on the right track.
I think it would be nice to:
(1) Have deprecation warnings in the legacy pkg_* tools.
If someone types pkg_add, maybe warn them that
it is deprecated, and they
On 27-08-2012 18:24, John Baldwin wrote:
On Sunday, August 26, 2012 4:37:53 pm Doug Barton wrote:
The problem is that we don't really support the idea of things in the
base magically deleting themselves.
As I have said in previous messages, the bootstrapping problem is being
overblown by
On Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:39:17 am Tijl Coosemans wrote:
On 27-08-2012 18:24, John Baldwin wrote:
On Sunday, August 26, 2012 4:37:53 pm Doug Barton wrote:
The problem is that we don't really support the idea of things in the
base magically deleting themselves.
As I have said in
On 30 Aug 2012 18:03, John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:39:17 am Tijl Coosemans wrote:
On 27-08-2012 18:24, John Baldwin wrote:
On Sunday, August 26, 2012 4:37:53 pm Doug Barton wrote:
The problem is that we don't really support the idea of things in
On Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:10:24 pm Chris Rees wrote:
On 30 Aug 2012 18:03, John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:39:17 am Tijl Coosemans wrote:
On 27-08-2012 18:24, John Baldwin wrote:
On Sunday, August 26, 2012 4:37:53 pm Doug Barton wrote:
The
On 08/30/2012 07:32 AM, John Baldwin wrote:
On Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:10:24 pm Chris Rees wrote:
On 30 Aug 2012 18:03, John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:39:17 am Tijl Coosemans wrote:
On 27-08-2012 18:24, John Baldwin wrote:
On Sunday, August 26, 2012
2012/8/26 Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org:
I received more feedback about keep pkg and changing it to
pkg-bootstrap, so what should I do, changing it because you are asking for it?
So, just a me too for renaming pkg, for consistency. I don't mind
the new name...
--
Olivier Smedts
On Sunday, August 26, 2012 4:37:53 pm Doug Barton wrote:
The problem is that we don't really support the idea of things in the
base magically deleting themselves.
As I have said in previous messages, the bootstrapping problem is being
overblown by several orders of magnitude. For newly
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 06:34:43PM -0500, CyberLeo Kitsana wrote:
On 08/24/2012 07:01 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
Can anyone give me he details on the security related problem?
Off the top of my head, it seems to represent a break in the chain of
trust: how does the bootstrapper verify
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 02:26:50PM +0200, Jilles Tjoelker wrote:
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 06:34:43PM -0500, CyberLeo Kitsana wrote:
On 08/24/2012 07:01 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
Can anyone give me he details on the security related problem?
Off the top of my head, it seems to
On 08/25/2012 02:49, Julien Laffaye wrote:
True. But when you create jails without the installer, you have to
install pkgng by hand.
Just like all the other ports you have to install in a jail.
--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And I
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:34:08AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
On 08/25/2012 02:49, Julien Laffaye wrote:
True. But when you create jails without the installer, you have to
install pkgng by hand.
Just like all the other ports you have to install in a jail.
--
I am only one, but
On 08/26/2012 11:37, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:34:08AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
On 08/25/2012 02:49, Julien Laffaye wrote:
True. But when you create jails without the installer, you have
to install pkgng by hand.
Just like all the other ports you have to install
On 08/26/2012 05:58, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
The is the longer plan but this with also true with pkg_add -r, and the pkg
bootstrap may it be pkg-bootstrap or /usr/sbin/pkg. We have been discussing
with
Security officers and we are waiting for the plan being written and setup by
them, so
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:39:07AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
On 08/26/2012 05:58, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
The is the longer plan but this with also true with pkg_add -r, and the pkg
bootstrap may it be pkg-bootstrap or /usr/sbin/pkg. We have been discussing
with
Security officers and
On 08/26/2012 11:58, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:39:07AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
On 08/26/2012 05:58, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
The is the longer plan but this with also true with pkg_add -r, and the pkg
bootstrap may it be pkg-bootstrap or /usr/sbin/pkg. We have
On Sun, 2012-08-26 at 20:58 +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:39:07AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
On 08/26/2012 05:58, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
This isn't the security issue I was talking about by having sbin/pkg
pass every command line to local/sbin/pkg.
You
On 08/26/2012 12:08, Ian Lepore wrote:
Would this get better if the bootstrap tool were named pkg and were
installed on a fresh system at /usr/local/sbin, so that it in effect
replaces itself with the real thing, and has no need to leave a
forwarding stub in /usr/sbin ?
Maybe it could
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 03:28:27PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
On 8/23/2012 3:19 PM, Steve Wills wrote:
Hi,
It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to
/usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is
confusing that running the command gets
On 08/26/2012 13:02, namor wrote:
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 03:28:27PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
On 8/23/2012 3:19 PM, Steve Wills wrote:
Hi,
It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to
/usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is
confusing
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012, Ian Lepore wrote:
On Sun, 2012-08-26 at 20:58 +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:39:07AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
On 08/26/2012 05:58, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
This isn't the security issue I was talking about by having sbin/pkg
pass every
On 08/26/2012 13:35, Warren Block wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012, Ian Lepore wrote:
On Sun, 2012-08-26 at 20:58 +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:39:07AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
On 08/26/2012 05:58, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
This isn't the security issue I was
On 2012-Aug-26 12:27:41 -0700, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote:
On 08/26/2012 12:08, Ian Lepore wrote:
Maybe it could rename itself to /usr/local/sbin/pkg-bootstrap as part of
replacing itself, so that you could re-bootstrap your way out of a
problem later.
That's certainly creative
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012, Doug Barton wrote:
...
There really is no need to be so clever here. The bootstrapping issue is
going to be a minor annoyance that affects a small percentage of our users.
I think Doug's correct in this case about it being a one-time
problem as installing via
On 8/24/2012 11:57 PM, Doug Barton wrote:
On 8/23/2012 8:03 PM, Eitan Adler wrote:
On 23 August 2012 22:59, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote:
I tend to agree with Steve here ... we can't be responsible for other
people's poorly written docs.
This isn't about poorly written docs. This is
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On 08/24/2012 07:01 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
Can anyone give me he details on the security related problem?
Off the top of my head, it seems to represent a break in the chain of
trust: how does the bootstrapper verify that the tarball it just
On 8/24/2012 3:57 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
On 23 August 2012 18:19, Steve Wills swi...@freebsd.org wrote:
Hi,
It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap
would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is confusing that running the command gets
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 06:19:57PM -0400, Steve Wills wrote:
Hi,
It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to
/usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is
confusing that running the command gets different results the second time it
is run vs.
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:00:25 -0400
Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote:
On 23 August 2012 22:55, Steve Wills swi...@freebsd.org wrote:
As far as I understand it, POLA is about changing existing things:
okay, so forget POLA. My point is that a user following a how to or
even *our*
On 08/24/2012 10:15, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 06:19:57PM -0400, Steve Wills wrote:
Hi,
It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to
/usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is
confusing that running the command gets
Baptiste Daroussin ha scritto:
On of the thing I forgot and kan@ has added is a prompt for the user in case
it
is going to bootstrap.
So, removing the prompt will make everybody happy? :-)
What about a prompt with timeout? This is the first time pkg is run,
I'll start bootstrapping in 10
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 02:23:47PM +0200, Alex Dupre wrote:
Baptiste Daroussin ha scritto:
On of the thing I forgot and kan@ has added is a prompt for the user in
case it
is going to bootstrap.
So, removing the prompt will make everybody happy? :-)
What about a prompt with timeout?
On 8/24/2012 9:31 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 02:23:47PM +0200, Alex Dupre wrote:
Baptiste Daroussin ha scritto:
On of the thing I forgot and kan@ has added is a prompt for the user in
case it
is going to bootstrap.
So, removing the prompt will make everybody
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:50:30AM -0500, Bryan Drewery wrote:
On 8/24/2012 9:31 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 02:23:47PM +0200, Alex Dupre wrote:
Baptiste Daroussin ha scritto:
On of the thing I forgot and kan@ has added is a prompt for the user in
case it
is
On 8/24/2012 11:02 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:50:30AM -0500, Bryan Drewery wrote:
On 8/24/2012 9:31 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 02:23:47PM +0200, Alex Dupre wrote:
Baptiste Daroussin ha scritto:
On of the thing I forgot and kan@ has
On 8/23/2012 8:03 PM, Eitan Adler wrote:
On 23 August 2012 22:59, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote:
I tend to agree with Steve here ... we can't be responsible for other
people's poorly written docs.
This isn't about poorly written docs. This is the user expecting a
tool to exist, which
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On 8/24/2012 1:15 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
BTW for people who haven't tested and want to share their opinion,
here is how work /usr/sbin/pkg:
it first checks if ${LOCALBASE}/sbin/pkg is there - if yes it
directly execute
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 03:38:33PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
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On 8/24/2012 1:15 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
BTW for people who haven't tested and want to share their opinion,
here is how work /usr/sbin/pkg:
it first checks if
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 01:25:15AM +0100, Jonathan Anderson wrote:
On 24 Aug 2012, at 23:38, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote:
Let me rephrase that more simply ... very few users are ever going to
need the bootstrapping tool that will be in the base.
So, then they won't use it. I fail
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 01:47:26AM +0100, Jonathan Anderson wrote:
On Saturday, 25 August 2012 at 01:33, Glen Barber wrote:
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 01:25:15AM +0100, Jonathan Anderson wrote:
On 24 Aug 2012, at 23:38, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org
(mailto:do...@freebsd.org) wrote:
Let
On 24 Aug 2012, at 23:38, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote:
Let me rephrase that more simply ... very few users are ever going to
need the bootstrapping tool that will be in the base.
But surely the whole point of pkgng is that people *will* use pkg as the
default method of acquiring
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On 8/24/2012 5:33 PM, Glen Barber wrote:
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 01:25:15AM +0100, Jonathan Anderson wrote:
On 24 Aug 2012, at 23:38, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote:
Let me rephrase that more simply ... very few users are ever going to
need
On Saturday, 25 August 2012 at 01:33, Glen Barber wrote:
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 01:25:15AM +0100, Jonathan Anderson wrote:
On 24 Aug 2012, at 23:38, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org
(mailto:do...@freebsd.org) wrote:
Let me rephrase that more simply ... very few users are ever going to
Hi,
It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to
/usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is
confusing that running the command gets different results the second time it is
run vs. the first time. I can imagine a user saying I ran pkg, but it
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 06:19:57PM -0400, Steve Wills wrote:
Hi,
It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to
/usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is
confusing that running the command gets different results the second time it
is run vs.
On 8/23/2012 3:19 PM, Steve Wills wrote:
Hi,
It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to
/usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is
confusing that running the command gets different results the second time it
is run vs. the first time. I
On 8/23/2012 5:19 PM, Steve Wills wrote:
Hi,
It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to
/usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is
confusing that running the command gets different results the second time it
is run vs. the first time. I
Le Fri, 24 Aug 2012 00:27:13 +0200,
Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org a écrit :
Hello,
So, opinions? There may still be time to fix it for 9.1 if we can
decide quickly.
I do personnally have no opinion on this, I have hesitated long
between both before choosing /usr/sbin/pkg.
I'm
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:19:57 -0400
Steve Wills swi...@freebsd.org wrote:
Hi,
It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg
to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint,
it is confusing that running the command gets different results the
second time it
On 23 August 2012 18:19, Steve Wills swi...@freebsd.org wrote:
Hi,
It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to
/usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is
confusing that running the command gets different results the second time it
is run
On Aug 23, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Eitan Adler wrote:
On 23 August 2012 18:19, Steve Wills swi...@freebsd.org wrote:
Hi,
It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to
/usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is
confusing that running the command
On 23 August 2012 22:05, Steve Wills swi...@freebsd.org wrote:
Why can't one of those steps be to run pkg-bootstrap?
Because the how-to may not be for a new system ;)
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On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Eitan Adler wrote:
On 23 August 2012 22:05, Steve Wills swi...@freebsd.org wrote:
Why can't one of those steps be to run pkg-bootstrap?
Because the how-to may not be for a new system ;)
The possibility of bad docs somewhere outside of our control, when we can
On 23 August 2012 22:15, Steve Wills swi...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Eitan Adler wrote:
On 23 August 2012 22:05, Steve Wills swi...@freebsd.org wrote:
Why can't one of those steps be to run pkg-bootstrap?
Because the how-to may not be for a new system ;)
The
On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Eitan Adler wrote:
On 23 August 2012 22:15, Steve Wills swi...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Eitan Adler wrote:
On 23 August 2012 22:05, Steve Wills swi...@freebsd.org wrote:
Why can't one of those steps be to run pkg-bootstrap?
Because
On 23 August 2012 22:55, Steve Wills swi...@freebsd.org wrote:
As far as I understand it, POLA is about changing existing things:
okay, so forget POLA. My point is that a user following a how to or
even *our* documentation on how to install something unrelated, like
say, apache, will be very
On 8/23/2012 7:23 PM, Eitan Adler wrote:
On 23 August 2012 22:15, Steve Wills swi...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Eitan Adler wrote:
On 23 August 2012 22:05, Steve Wills swi...@freebsd.org wrote:
Why can't one of those steps be to run pkg-bootstrap?
Because the how-to
On 23 August 2012 22:59, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote:
No, POLA refers to not changing long-established practices out from
under the user.
forget pola
I tend to agree with Steve here ... we can't be responsible for other
people's poorly written docs.
This isn't about poorly written
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012, Eitan Adler wrote:
On 23 August 2012 22:55, Steve Wills swi...@freebsd.org wrote:
As far as I understand it, POLA is about changing existing things:
okay, so forget POLA. My point is that a user following a how to or
even *our* documentation on how to install something
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