Re: -CURRENT in pretty good shape, after all
Szilveszter Adam heeft op zondag 24 februari 2002 om 19:04 het volgende geschreven: > On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 06:22:11AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> It does work perfectly nice for me too, here. I've been building >> worlds >> without a single problem ever since Feb 7, 2002. Oh, and since I like >> living in the edge, I erased my 4-STABLE installation on Feb 10, and >> formatted that partition. Now I use it as /c, a workspace where >> temporary >> development work is done. > [snip] Me Too! I use my CURRENT machine to serve up samba, (SSL)IMAP, webserver, development platform, icecast jukebox, LPD/CUPS printserver, NFS fileserver and Appletalk. needless to say, it it pretty loaded. It's got almost a constant load avg around 2 or 3, and it's holding up fine, and it is responsive. Impressive work! Oh, anyone have CURRENT running on SPARC? I have aquired a few SPARC machines (two SpartStations, a 5 and a 10). How does one go running CURRENT on those? I would like to serve as a test-bed for it. Cheers, Emiel Kollof To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: -CURRENT in pretty good shape, after all
At 1:00 AM -0800 2/24/02, Julian Elischer wrote: >On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > > It is working fairly well for me too, on a dual-pentium machine. >> I can't get vmware2 working, but most of everything else that I >> do is working, and I'm not running into any mysterious crashes. > > >h > >I'm using vmware2 to run turbotax to do my taxes and it seems >fine Well, between this and comments from two other people that I finally put together (ie, I finally realized the significance of what they were saying), it's working for me too. Thanks! [maybe later this week I'll sit down and figure out how to fix the port so *it* does the right things...] -- Garance Alistair Drosehn= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Programmer or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rensselaer Polytechnic Instituteor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: snapshots? WAS: Re: -CURRENT in pretty good shape, after all
On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 03:08:27PM +0100, Harald Schmalzbauer wrote: > Since I changed my employer I made new subscriptions at bsdmall.com but > I couldn't find any snapshot subscription. Daemonnews has never sold snapshots, although that may be something they will do in the future. You can buy a subscription to FreeBSD Snapshot discs from FreeBSD Mall, Inc here : http://www.freebsdmall.com [Click on Software, then click on a single snapshot, or a snapshot subscription.] If I remember correctly, I built that April 2000 snapshot CD, and I'll be making them a lot more regularly from now on. I had to throw away at least one ISO in late 2000 because the -CURRENT snapshot would not install or pass even the most minimum usability tests. We (release engineers) are going to do a lot more polishing in the coming weeks to ensure that FreeBSD 5.0 Developer Preview 1 (DP1) is in good shape so that more people can start running -CURRENT again. Thanks, - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: -CURRENT in pretty good shape, after all
On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 06:24:39PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Thumbs up and big cheers to all of you (well, us) guys working on > -CURRENT. It's pretty stable and has been for a while now - and even > on my poor old 350 MHz K6-2, it performs well enough to make a kickass > desktop & development platform. Let's hope it'll only get better from > here on out :) Hear hear (or is that hear here?). I've been running current on my laptop since the first FreeBSDCon, and over all I'm pretty happy with it. I rebooted onto a new kernel a few days ago, but before that I'd amassed over three weeks of uptime on the laptop with no problems at all - terrific. (Three weeks on a laptop? Maybe I should get out more). Joe msg35174/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: -CURRENT in pretty good shape, after all
- Original Message - From: "Szilveszter Adam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 1:04 PM Subject: Re: -CURRENT in pretty good shape, after all > On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 06:22:11AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > It does work perfectly nice for me too, here. I've been building worlds > > without a single problem ever since Feb 7, 2002. Oh, and since I like > > living in the edge, I erased my 4-STABLE installation on Feb 10, and > > formatted that partition. Now I use it as /c, a workspace where temporary > > development work is done. > > Well, just to put my "Me too!" here. I have been following 5.x for as > long as it existed and during all this exercise, I have found it to be > fairly useable at all times. There were some bumps along the road, but > nothing that a careful study of this and other mailing lists would not > have solved. In fact, ever since 5.x branched from 4.0 way back when:-) > it was the only installation of FreeBSD that I had on my workstation. > > I wrote my university thesis on this machine, while religiously keeping > up with the latest and greatest -CURRENT source, the box has served as a > dialup and later as an ADSL gateway without problems. Of course, > debugging code has slowed it down at times but that was expected. > > Although I do not consider myself a developer/programmer, I always tried > to report problems in a useful way when found. It is just that I did not > have a lot to do on this front:-) (Maybe I am the kind of user who > should start using -CURRENT in greater numbers? OK, I'm here already:-) > > This machine is a PII-233 UP, with an Intel 440-LX based mobo and only > IDE peripherals. It is no longer "state of the art" or even close, but, > thanks to FreeBSD, it runs as snappy as ever. > > > Thank you all, who have put efforts in making this happen! > > Indeed. It is really refreshing to see that, despite occasional > ramblimngs and otbreaks of flame on the lists, the project really makes > headway, especially looked at from a historical perspective. > > Keep up the good work! > > P.S.: This message is also test to see if the upgrade to the latest > sendmail worked well:-) another "me too" I have had a 5.0 box running continuously for several months, I don't use the box much but I do use it a little at least a few times a day. It just sits there on my cable modem at home and I use it as a samba (pre-3.0beta) server for mp3's at home, or via http/ftp from work. It's been running seti@home since day one, I use it to test ssh and rsync procedures and other miscelaneous things where I need a unix box to try something on and don't want to use a customers machine. I have done a couple buildworlds and buildkernels but only a couple and not in months, but it went without a hitch. I have built a few ports like vnc and samba, again no hitches and again the results have also been running for months. there was a problem with my mouse for a while, I applied a patch from a post on this list, rebuilt and no more mouse problem. all in all, it's been just great for me even though it's a pretty old -CURRENT. oh and the hardware is just a crappy emachine with an amd k6-2 350 (running at 385) that was a desktop win98 machine at a customers that they threw away for being too old and slow. I just put in a new power supply and a little ram and it's been a damned fine freebsd box for me. neven gnome and enlightenment and gimp and netscape et al are fast enough to be useable, although I did disable gnome and E in favor of icewm just on general principle. Brian K. White -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.aljex.com/bkw/ +[>+++[>+>+++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+.+++.-.[>+<---]>++. filePro BBx Linux SCO Prosper/FACTS AutoCAD #callahans Satriani To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: -CURRENT in pretty good shape, after all
On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 06:22:11AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > It does work perfectly nice for me too, here. I've been building worlds > without a single problem ever since Feb 7, 2002. Oh, and since I like > living in the edge, I erased my 4-STABLE installation on Feb 10, and > formatted that partition. Now I use it as /c, a workspace where temporary > development work is done. Well, just to put my "Me too!" here. I have been following 5.x for as long as it existed and during all this exercise, I have found it to be fairly useable at all times. There were some bumps along the road, but nothing that a careful study of this and other mailing lists would not have solved. In fact, ever since 5.x branched from 4.0 way back when:-) it was the only installation of FreeBSD that I had on my workstation. I wrote my university thesis on this machine, while religiously keeping up with the latest and greatest -CURRENT source, the box has served as a dialup and later as an ADSL gateway without problems. Of course, debugging code has slowed it down at times but that was expected. Although I do not consider myself a developer/programmer, I always tried to report problems in a useful way when found. It is just that I did not have a lot to do on this front:-) (Maybe I am the kind of user who should start using -CURRENT in greater numbers? OK, I'm here already:-) This machine is a PII-233 UP, with an Intel 440-LX based mobo and only IDE peripherals. It is no longer "state of the art" or even close, but, thanks to FreeBSD, it runs as snappy as ever. > Thank you all, who have put efforts in making this happen! Indeed. It is really refreshing to see that, despite occasional ramblimngs and otbreaks of flame on the lists, the project really makes headway, especially looked at from a historical perspective. Keep up the good work! P.S.: This message is also test to see if the upgrade to the latest sendmail worked well:-) -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szombathely Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: -CURRENT in pretty good shape, after all
On 2002-02-23 18:24, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:
> Thumbs up and big cheers to all of you (well, us) guys working on
> -CURRENT. It's pretty stable and has been for a while now - and even
> on my poor old 350 MHz K6-2, it performs well enough to make a kickass
> desktop & development platform. Let's hope it'll only get better from
> here on out :)
It does work perfectly nice for me too, here. I've been building worlds
without a single problem ever since Feb 7, 2002. Oh, and since I like
living in the edge, I erased my 4-STABLE installation on Feb 10, and
formatted that partition. Now I use it as /c, a workspace where temporary
development work is done.
Thank you all, who have put efforts in making this happen!
Giorgos Keramidas FreeBSD Documentation Project
keramida@{freebsd.org,ceid.upatras.gr} http://www.FreeBSD.org/docproj/
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snapshots? WAS: Re: -CURRENT in pretty good shape, after all
Am Sa , 2002-02-23 um 18.24 schrieb Dag-Erling Smorgrav: > Thumbs up and big cheers to all of you (well, us) guys working on > -CURRENT. It's pretty stable and has been for a while now - and even > on my poor old 350 MHz K6-2, it performs well enough to make a kickass > desktop & development platform. Let's hope it'll only get better from > here on out :) Hello all, this sounds great. Thanks to all people. But this brings me to one question: What's about snapshot-releases? Some years ago (from 3 on) I had a supscription for current snapshots. The last I got was 2 years ago an April2000 -4 snapshot. Since I changed my employer I made new subscriptions at bsdmall.com but I couldn't find any snapshot subscription. Are you still doing these snapshots and they are just no more offered or don't you do any snapshot releases any more. Thanks all, -Harry > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- Wearix Software GmbH Harald Schmalzbauer, IT-Engineer Unterhachinger Strasse 75 81737 München +49 89 548828-702 http://www.wearix.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: -CURRENT in pretty good shape, after all
SMP? -- Terry Julian Elischer wrote: > > h > > julian@jules:uname -a > FreeBSD jules.elischer.org 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #3: Thu Feb 21 > 00:32:02 PST 2002 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/NMDM i386 > julian@jules: > > I'm using vmware2 to run turbotax to do my taxes and it seems fine > > On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > > > > > It is working fairly well for me too, on a dual-pentium machine. > > I can't get vmware2 working, but most of everything else that I > > do is working, and I'm not running into any mysterious crashes. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: -CURRENT in pretty good shape, after all
h julian@jules:uname -a FreeBSD jules.elischer.org 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #3: Thu Feb 21 00:32:02 PST 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/NMDM i386 julian@jules: I'm using vmware2 to run turbotax to do my taxes and it seems fine On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > > It is working fairly well for me too, on a dual-pentium machine. > I can't get vmware2 working, but most of everything else that I > do is working, and I'm not running into any mysterious crashes. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: -CURRENT in pretty good shape, after all
At 6:24 PM +0100 2/23/02, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: >Thumbs up and big cheers to all of you (well, us) guys working on >-CURRENT. It's pretty stable and has been for a while now - and >even on my poor old 350 MHz K6-2, it performs well enough to make >a kickass desktop & development platform. Let's hope it'll only >get better from here on out :) It is working fairly well for me too, on a dual-pentium machine. I can't get vmware2 working, but most of everything else that I do is working, and I'm not running into any mysterious crashes. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Programmer or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rensselaer Polytechnic Instituteor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: -CURRENT in pretty good shape, after all
Riccardo Torrini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 23-Feb-2002 (21:12:12/GMT) Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > # kldload atspeaker > This doesn't work. I'm missing something obvious? Not that I can see... works for me DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: -CURRENT in pretty good shape, after all
On 23-Feb-2002 (21:12:12/GMT) Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Riccardo Torrini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Anyway, any plan to fix build breakage? > Sure: [...] This works. Thanks. >> I really need build to (try to?) locate missing /dev/speaker :( ># kldload atspeaker This doesn't work. I'm missing something obvious? # kldstat Id Refs AddressSize Name 13 0xc010 2c7b4c kernel 21 0xc1981000 3000 daemon_saver.ko # kldload atspeaker # kldstat Id Refs AddressSize Name 14 0xc010 2c7b4c kernel 21 0xc1981000 3000 daemon_saver.ko 31 0xc27c6000 3000 atspeaker.ko # echo cde >/dev/speaker /dev/speaker: Operation not supported. # ls -ld /dev/*speaker* ls: No match. Riccardo. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: -CURRENT in pretty good shape, after all
Riccardo Torrini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Anyway, any plan to fix build breakage? Sure: Index: file.h === RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/sys/file.h,v retrieving revision 1.40 diff -u -r1.40 file.h --- file.h 23 Feb 2002 11:12:57 - 1.40 +++ file.h 23 Feb 2002 21:10:58 - @@ -37,10 +37,6 @@ #ifndef _SYS_FILE_H_ #define_SYS_FILE_H_ -#include -#include -#include -#include #ifndef _KERNEL #include #include @@ -51,6 +47,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include struct stat; struct thread; > I really need build to (try to?) locate missing /dev/speaker :( # kldload atspeaker DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: -CURRENT in pretty good shape, after all
On 23-Feb-2002 (19:23:17/GMT) Julian Elischer wrote:
> I forgot the :-)
[...]
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 10:35:44AM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote:
>> > that could change real soon!
>>
>> I certainly *hope* not. If you plan to break it, you plan to break it,
>> but I hope you don't plan to render it unstable. There is a difference
I'm -CURRENT from 3.0 and I can confirm that (if handled with care)
is really usable. I have contributed only with bug report and not
with lines of code or patches, but I think that bug report can help
also. Anyway, any plan to fix build breakage?
---8<---
In file included from /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/sys/file.h:40,
from /usr/src/lib/libkvm/kvm_file.c:54:
/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/sys/systm.h:305: syntax error before `int'
/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/sys/systm.h:306: syntax error before `int'
/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/sys/systm.h:307: syntax error before `('
---8<---
I really need build to (try to?) locate missing /dev/speaker :(
Riccardo.
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Re: -CURRENT in pretty good shape, after all
I forgot the :-) On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Bosko Milekic wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 10:35:44AM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > > that could change real soon! > > I certainly *hope* not. If you plan to break it, you plan to break it, > but I hope you don't plan to render it unstable. There is a difference To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: -CURRENT in pretty good shape, after all
On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 10:35:44AM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > that could change real soon! I certainly *hope* not. If you plan to break it, you plan to break it, but I hope you don't plan to render it unstable. There is a difference between breaking the build, breaking -CURRENT because of one thing you happened to have missed when you committed and breaking it for a prolonged period of time without actually knowing what broke it and then having to do `guess-work' and needless debugging because someone committed totally broken code. By -CURRENT's description, the former is acceptable, every once in a while, but the latter is not. The latter just leads to a lot of blood spillage and is evidence of a not-well-tested set of changes. So, it's acceptable to go: "Oh, I did this wrong and broke -CURRENT, let me fix it" every once in a while but it shouldn't be acceptable to go "euh, -CURRENT is broken and it's probably because of me but I have no friggin' clue how or why. I don't even know where to start looking." It's just common sense. > On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Bosko Milekic wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 06:24:39PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > Thumbs up and big cheers to all of you (well, us) guys working on > > > -CURRENT. It's pretty stable and has been for a while now - and even > > > on my poor old 350 MHz K6-2, it performs well enough to make a kickass > > > desktop & development platform. Let's hope it'll only get better from > > > here on out :) > > > > Yep! Out of 3 FreeBSD machines I own, I now have 2 (the dual processor > > systems) running -CURRENT. I think it should finally be noted that > > -CURRENT effectively does meet its advertised form: "development > > bleeding edge version of FreeBSD" (as opposed to "[totally broke and > > bleeding] developer [for those who feel like it] version of FreeBSD."). > > > > > DES > > > -- > > > Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > > Bosko Milekic > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bosko Milekic [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: -CURRENT in pretty good shape, after all
that could change real soon! On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Bosko Milekic wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 06:24:39PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Thumbs up and big cheers to all of you (well, us) guys working on > > -CURRENT. It's pretty stable and has been for a while now - and even > > on my poor old 350 MHz K6-2, it performs well enough to make a kickass > > desktop & development platform. Let's hope it'll only get better from > > here on out :) > > Yep! Out of 3 FreeBSD machines I own, I now have 2 (the dual processor > systems) running -CURRENT. I think it should finally be noted that > -CURRENT effectively does meet its advertised form: "development > bleeding edge version of FreeBSD" (as opposed to "[totally broke and > bleeding] developer [for those who feel like it] version of FreeBSD."). > > > DES > > -- > > Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > Bosko Milekic > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: -CURRENT in pretty good shape, after all
On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 06:24:39PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Thumbs up and big cheers to all of you (well, us) guys working on > -CURRENT. It's pretty stable and has been for a while now - and even > on my poor old 350 MHz K6-2, it performs well enough to make a kickass > desktop & development platform. Let's hope it'll only get better from > here on out :) Yep! Out of 3 FreeBSD machines I own, I now have 2 (the dual processor systems) running -CURRENT. I think it should finally be noted that -CURRENT effectively does meet its advertised form: "development bleeding edge version of FreeBSD" (as opposed to "[totally broke and bleeding] developer [for those who feel like it] version of FreeBSD."). > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bosko Milekic [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
-CURRENT in pretty good shape, after all
Thumbs up and big cheers to all of you (well, us) guys working on -CURRENT. It's pretty stable and has been for a while now - and even on my poor old 350 MHz K6-2, it performs well enough to make a kickass desktop & development platform. Let's hope it'll only get better from here on out :) DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
