Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-24 Thread Vallo Kallaste
On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 10:06:52PM -0800, Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But who will bell the cat? I vote for Snuffles. Don't understand. Some inside joke or something based on US centric TV? What are you trying to tell me? Remember I'm not native. 1930's/1940's cartoon

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-23 Thread Vallo Kallaste
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 10:03:50AM -0800, David O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to see GCC 3.2.1 release be our 5.0-R compiler. However, the GCC 3.2.1 release date kept slipping and in fact was nebulous for a while. The same for our 5.0-R. So this has made it hard to decided

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-23 Thread Terry Lambert
Vallo Kallaste wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 10:03:50AM -0800, David O'Brien I would like to see GCC 3.2.1 release be our 5.0-R compiler. However, the GCC 3.2.1 release date kept slipping and in fact was nebulous for a while. The same for our 5.0-R. So this has made it hard to decided

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-23 Thread Vallo Kallaste
On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 02:52:27PM -0800, Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody with knowledge and time should generate patches, so it's possible to at least test and report problems (or success). Given that enough people give it a try and report, there's possibility for import,

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-23 Thread Brad Knowles
At 1:53 AM +0200 2002/11/24, Vallo Kallaste wrote: But who will bell the cat? I vote for Snuffles. Don't understand. Some inside joke or something based on US centric TV? What are you trying to tell me? Remember I'm not native. I am a native US citizen (well, caucasian ;-), and I don't

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-23 Thread John Von Essen
Belling the cat comes from a children's story, and is often referenced in behavioral economics and game theory. The story goes, the mice decide that life would be much safer if the cat were stuck with a bell around its neck. This way the mice would hear the cat approaching. The problem is,

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-23 Thread Terry Lambert
Vallo Kallaste wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 02:52:27PM -0800, Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody with knowledge and time should generate patches, so it's possible to at least test and report problems (or success). Given that enough people give it a try and report, there's

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-22 Thread Terry Lambert
Steve Kargl wrote: Don't worry about it; it's being totally blown out of proportion; there's no way anyone will commit to importing a 2 day old 3.2.1, which is why I put the smiley's there. Well, the 2-day old 3.2.1 fixes numerous problems with our 3.2.1 [FreeBSD] 20021009 (prerelease).

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-22 Thread Marc Recht
There is neither a gcc 3.2.1 nor a gcc 3.3 yet, so I would't use any of them in a stable release. In fact, there is a gcc 3.2.1 release. And it seems that 3.2.1 pre-release will be the compiler for 5.0R. Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-22 Thread Marc Recht
What does it do for all the other code in -ports, and in the comp.source.* archives, and that anyone else has ever written, such that you know it doesn't cause more problems than it solves? I don't think that the system cc is supposed to compile all code ever written. IMHO It should compile the

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-22 Thread Marc Recht
It's a new import, and a complete regression test. Talk to the maintainer: he's already made his statement, and you arguing with I'm fine with it. In fact, I don't if I would be the gcc mainter if I would import it. Probably not I guess.. me because I was willing to stand up and reiterate what

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-22 Thread Steve Kargl
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 03:37:53AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: Steve Kargl wrote: Don't worry about it; it's being totally blown out of proportion; there's no way anyone will commit to importing a 2 day old 3.2.1, which is why I put the smiley's there. Well, the 2-day old 3.2.1

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-22 Thread David O'Brien
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 01:04:40PM +0100, Marc Recht wrote: I'm wondering if I should mention the new binutils.. :) There will be a Binutils 2.13.2 import for 5.0-R w/in days. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-22 Thread David O'Brien
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 07:29:47AM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: I respect David's judgement about bringing 3.2.1 into the tree, but your statement above (totally blown out...) suggests you don't follow GCC development. Several significant bugs were fixed between our pre-release version and

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-22 Thread David Schultz
Thus spake David O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:46:41PM +0100, Marc Recht wrote: Don't worry about it; it's being totally blown out of proportion; No problem.. :) there's no way anyone will commit to importing a 2 day old 3.2.1, which is why I put the smiley's

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-22 Thread Terry Lambert
Steve Kargl wrote: Supposedly, bringing in 3.2 was going to solve more problems than it caused. It turns out the 4.x compiler, GCC 2.95.3, also does not have an ICE as a result of compiling that code. You know the reason why 3.2 pre-release was brought into the tree, right? GCC has

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-22 Thread Terry Lambert
David Schultz wrote: It really comes down to a question of living with known bugs, or risking gaining a new set of unknown bugs. In theory, the set of bugs in an actual release should be smaller than the set of bugs in a prerelease. In theory, practice will be the same as theory. 8-)

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-21 Thread David Schultz
Thus spake David O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 05:57:41PM +0100, Marc Recht wrote: Hi! Will gcc 3.2.1/release be imported before 5.0R ? Just curious.. There will be no more GCC imports before 5.0-R. It is just too much code churn with too little road testing

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-21 Thread Harald Arnesen
David Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Will gcc 3.2.1/release be imported before 5.0R ? Just curious.. There will be no more GCC imports before 5.0-R. It is just too much code churn with too little road testing before 5.0-R. As I recall, the original plan was to import GCC 3.3 for

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-21 Thread Marc Recht
There is neither a gcc 3.2.1 nor a gcc 3.3 yet, so I would't use any of them in a stable release. gcc 3.2.1 has been uploaded on ftp.gnu.org at Nov. 19th. Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-21 Thread Terry Lambert
Marc Recht wrote: There is neither a gcc 3.2.1 nor a gcc 3.3 yet, so I would't use any of them in a stable release. gcc 3.2.1 has been uploaded on ftp.gnu.org at Nov. 19th. So it's been extensively tested by the full user base for the last two days, and you should have known about it before

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-21 Thread Terry Lambert
Marc Recht wrote: So it's been extensively tested by the full user base for the last two days, and you should have known about it before you posted. 8-) 8-). My original question was only if it will be imported before 5.0R. David O'Brien already answered it with no. That's fine with me.

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-21 Thread Steve Kargl
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 10:22:42PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: Marc Recht wrote: So it's been extensively tested by the full user base for the last two days, and you should have known about it before you posted. 8-) 8-). My original question was only if it will be imported before

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-20 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 05:57:41PM +0100, Marc Recht wrote: Hi! Will gcc 3.2.1/release be imported before 5.0R ? Just curious.. There will be no more GCC imports before 5.0-R. It is just too much code churn with too little road testing before 5.0-R. -- -- David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) To

Re: gcc 3.2.1 release import?

2002-11-20 Thread Steve Kargl
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 08:14:49PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 05:57:41PM +0100, Marc Recht wrote: Hi! Will gcc 3.2.1/release be imported before 5.0R ? Just curious.. There will be no more GCC imports before 5.0-R. It is just too much code churn with too little