config(8) option names

2002-04-15 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi folks, Is there a way to specify option name translation in config(8)s option files? For example, I'd like this in my kernel config: options IPFILTER_STATE_MAX 37 but I want #definedSTATE_MAX (37) to end up in opt_ipfilter.h assuming I have something

Re: sys/types.h or not sys/types.h? [Was: cvs commit: src/include grp.h]

2002-02-25 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:09:19 +0200, Maxim Sobolev wrote: Are you sure? I've just heard so many opinions about that and want to get some clarity before backouting the backout to avoid backouting the backouted backout later. :) Please, could anyone confirm or reject assertion that POSIX

Re: sys/types.h or not sys/types.h? [Was: cvs commit: src/include grp.h]

2002-02-25 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:32:31 +0300, Andrey A. Chernov wrote: However, the standard expects gid_t to be defined in unistd.h, so if you just need gid_t, and not prototypes for getgr*(), then that's the one to include. POSIX reguire gid_t to be specified not only in sys/types.h but in

Kernel modules, SMP and -STABLE

2002-01-29 Thread Sheldon Hearn
trail of the PR. Thanks, Sheldon. --- Forwarded Message Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:30:03 +0600 (ALMT) From: Boris Popov [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sheldon Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: misc/33985: SMP support not compiled to smbfs kernel [...] In-Reply

Re: [OT] OpenSSL, certification chains and Exim

2002-01-14 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:18:43 PST, Terry Lambert wrote: So my advise is: A)Self-sign a signing certficate B)Install it as authoritative in the software C)Sign a leaf certificate (a *non-signing* certificate) with the signing certificate, and use that one in your

[OT] OpenSSL, certification chains and Exim

2002-01-11 Thread Sheldon Hearn
[ This message does not pertain exclusively to FreeBSD and was sent ] [ to this mailing list more for the clue resident here. ] Hi folks, Several people on the exim-users mailing list have reported problems with various Wintendo e-mail clients using SMTP TLS against Exim. A good

Re: [OT] OpenSSL, certification chains and Exim

2002-01-11 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On 11 Jan 2002 13:58:30 GMT, Dominic Mitchell wrote: I'm not an OpenSSL wizard, but this sounds like either a self-signed certificate, or a root CA which isn't in Outlook's trusted list of root CA's. In Outlook's case (although the problem exists with some Netscape messaging client and a

Re: making /usr/share/mk apps PREFIX-independant???

2001-12-21 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:30:30 +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: I'm against PREFIX in share/mk files. Instead, just setting DESTDIR=${PREFIX} should (almost) be enough. I agree. See ports/mail/popd/Makefile for an example of a port that uses a pure bsd.prog.mk-driven Makefile for

Re: making /usr/share/mk apps PREFIX-independant???

2001-12-21 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:06:58 GMT, Nik Clayton wrote: Perhaps just a USES_BSD_MK=yes flag to wrap this for other ports as well (I'm thinking specifically of the scr* stuff I wrote, but there may be others). That sounds like a good idea. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL

Re: what is PSEUDOFS?

2001-12-06 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Thu, 06 Dec 2001 03:09:59 PST, Hiten Pandya wrote: i would like to know if possible what is PSEUDOFS... cause i forgot to update my kernel configuration file, regarding the message in the UPDATING section... man pseudofs Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Recent changes to libdialog are weird

2001-09-17 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi folks, Recently, libdialog's use of tab, space and enter seems to have changed. Now, space and enter mean the same thing. Before, enter was a context-insensitive short-cut to the currently selected dialogue submit button. What many folks may not realize is that the new behaviour, while

Re: Recent changes to libdialog are weird

2001-09-17 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:50:45 +0200, Stijn Hoop wrote: IMHO, you just got used to it. Present the interface to a Windows user who hasn't seen it before and watch them getting frustrated the third time sysinstall asks 'Proceed?' while they tried to select the disk they would be installing

Re: Recent changes to libdialog are weird

2001-09-17 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:06:27 -0400, Jason Andresen wrote: You were definatly in the minority with this one. Guys, guys, please! So far, NOBODY has come forward with evidence of a serious survey. If you can't present new evidence of such a survey conducted, you're unlikely to change

Re: SMBFS and NETSMB?

2001-08-10 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:58:32 +0400, Eugene L. Vorokov wrote: options NETSMB options NETSMBCRYPTO options LIBMCHAIN options ICONV I think it's options LIBICONV (or do both work ?). No, you're right. I'ts LIBICONV. Sorry. I use the modules, since I don't

Why objcopy --strip-debug instead of strip?

2001-07-29 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi folks, When the kernel is built as kernel.debug, why is it passed through objcopy --strip-debug before being installed, instead of being passed through strip? Background: I recently found that the Handbook instructions for Debugging Loadable Modules Using GDB is mostly useless for

Re: Why objcopy --strip-debug instead of strip?

2001-07-29 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Sun, 29 Jul 2001 14:26:41 MST, John Polstra wrote: I don't understand what this has to do with how the kernel is stripped. The current modules build attached to buildkernel doesn't generate modules with debugging symbols, regardless of whether CONFIGARGS='-g' was specified. I want to

-Wconversion and mode_t

2001-07-27 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi folks, How on earth is one supposed to shut up the -Wconversion warnings generated for all the functions that take mode_t arguments? I've tried every sane typecast I can think of to prove to the compiler that I know what I'm doing, but it won't shut up. /usr/src/usr.sbin/config is a good

Why install -C include files?

2001-07-25 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi folks, Why are include files installed using -C instead of -c? This makes it harder to find stale includes. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message

Re: Why install -C include files?

2001-07-25 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:06:22 +0100, David Malone wrote: If you changed the date on header files which hadn't changed then next time you typed make on a project with carfully set up dependencies everything would end up getting recompiled. That's certainly something one could argue as a

Re: Why install -C include files?

2001-07-25 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:17:05 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: In that case, I'd really like to make this behaviour in the build optional so that it's easy for FreeBSD developers to easily identify stale includes. Perhaps I could replace all instances of the -C option to install(8

Re: Why install -C include files?

2001-07-25 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:18:56 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: Hell, we already have COPY, we're just not using it. I'll submit patches for review to the appropriate lists. Hmmm. After a little more investigation, it seems I just need CLOBBER support, which was removed from Makefile.inc1 in rev

Re: Why install -C include files?

2001-07-25 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:58:02 CST, Warner Losh wrote: The reason I'd like to see it isn't so that make world kills things automatically, but so that I could kill them (or at least find out what should be killed) on systems that had FreeBSD 1.0 installed on them, then upgraded, disk cloned,

Re: Why install -C include files?

2001-07-25 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:48:36 CST, Warner Losh wrote: : Why are include files installed using -C instead of -c? This makes it : harder to find stale includes. I've wanted to have a /etc/mtree/bsd.obsolete for a long time now... That would make me too nervous. All I really want is the

Re: Weird stdarg.h problem in 4.3-STABLE

2001-07-19 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:16:13 MST, Terry Lambert wrote: Second, questions like this really belong on -questions... or even one of the C language or gcc mailing lists... ;-). You're right. I initially had the mail addressed to freebsd-questions and then made the all-too common mistake of

Weird stdarg.h problem in 4.3-STABLE

2001-07-18 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi folks, I'm busy developing a libdaemon implementation and have come unstuck on a weird problem with functions using variable argument lists in FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE. What I really want is a static inline void function declared in a header file and included in various source files, looking

Re: vfs.vmiodirenable undocumented

2001-07-11 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:24:50 MST, Bruce A. Mah wrote: I'm sorry, I missed the part of your message containing the patches to fix this problem. Bruce, I'm using your message as an example because you're good at shrugging stuff like this off. :-) I'm very concerned with the fact that this

vfs.vmiodirenable undocumented

2001-07-10 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Someone recently suggested that I tune vfs.vmiodirenable on a system with lots of memory. The CVS commit logs and the source tell me absolutely nothing about what this tunable does. Is anyone in a position to document it? Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Re: vfs.vmiodirenable undocumented

2001-07-10 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:13:23 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: Someone recently suggested that I tune vfs.vmiodirenable on a system with lots of memory. The CVS commit logs and the source tell me absolutely nothing about what this tunable does. Is anyone in a position to document it? Someone

Plan to import NetBSD rc system

2001-06-12 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi folks, Here's an update on the plan to import the NetBSD rc system into FreeBSD. I've contacted Luke Mewburn (the guy behind the new NetBSD rc system) and he's keen to chat to FreeBSD-heads after his talk at USENIX (FREENIX track). I can't make it, but I'd encourage interested parties from

Re: Plan to import NetBSD rc system

2001-06-12 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:17:49 MST, Dave Hayes wrote: Alternatively speaking, perhaps topics that advocate additions to the operating system with well known religious implications should be presented in a clearer fashion, with links pointed to the relevant documentation? Did you miss the

Re: sysctl(8) and opaque MIB entries

2001-05-08 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On 07 May 2001 19:23:35 +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Here's a patch that: 1) introduces the -x option, which makes opaque variables visible. 2) allows variables to be set without the -w option. 3) undocuments the now-superfluous -w option. That would meet my needs. Are you

sysctl(8) and opaque MIB entries

2001-05-07 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi folks, Is there a good reason why sysctl(8) won't display _any_ output for opaque MIB entries named as arguments? I'm specifically interested in kern.proc.all. I can ``sysctl -A | grep kern.proc.all'', but it's weird that neither of these two do anything useful: sysctl -A

Re: sysctl(8) and opaque MIB entries

2001-05-07 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On 07 May 2001 18:51:22 +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Yes it will, with -X. The interesting question is why there isn't an option to make it display just one variable in hex, and why it doesn't print a message when it omits printing an opaque variable. Do you think it'd be okay to

BSD's random.c dicey on the Alpha

2000-11-22 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi folks, Anyone want to have a look at this? It's from the GNU awk maintainer. Ciao, Sheldon. --- Forwarded Message From: Aharon Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:59:10 +0200 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BSD random for Alpha? Cc: [EMAIL

Re: passwd.1

2000-09-18 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 00:48:27 EST, "Peter Avalos" wrote: I don't know who to contact about this, so I'm hoping some people subscribed to this list have commit access. I found some spelling errors in passwd(1) manpage. I have RELENG_4 installed. Here's the output of diff -u: Thanks. Your

Does le(4) have a maintainer?

2000-08-28 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi folks, Does the le(4) device have a maintainer? I ask because 3 different people have reported that it's unuseable since 4.0-RELEASE (see PR misc/18641). If there's nobody to step forward and maintain the driver, we should probably add an entry about it to the release notes for 4.0-RELEASE

weird error messages from __COPYRIGHT macro

2000-08-16 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Here is a source file which looks fine to me, but for which I get unexpected assembler warnings: #include sys/cdefs.h __COPYRIGHT("@(#) Copyright (c) 1983, 1988, 1993\n" "The Regents of the University of California." " All rights

Re: weird error messages from __COPYRIGHT macro

2000-08-16 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:09:02 +0200, Mark Murray wrote: Maybe I am. Did your _exact_ sample program fail on NetBSD in the same way that it failed on FreeBSD? No. A sufficiently similar program also fails on FreeBSD but does not fail on NetBSD. :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send

Re: weird error messages from __COPYRIGHT macro

2000-08-16 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:58:11 +0200, Mark Murray wrote: Bah. Only three things use __COPYRIGHT; ftp(d?), routed and make. None of them use \n's like you do. I'm not trying to protect the way I do it, since I don't use the macro myself. I just want to make sure that, if the NetBSD

Re: weird error messages from __COPYRIGHT macro

2000-08-16 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:25:14 +0200, Mark Murray wrote: ...and it does not like the multi-line string. You may need to double-escape the \n's (like \\n) to get them into the .ident line symbolically. (I just checked - it worked!) Now we just need someone with a NetBSD box handy to let us

Does sio have a maintainer?

2000-08-07 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi folks, Does the sio driver have a maintainer? There are two PR's open that contain patches to provide support for new devices, but I can't find anyone to pin them on. :-) kern/20341 support Cronyx-Omega-PCI serial multiport adapters kern/20410 support high-speed NS16550A,

Berkeley make: evaluations inside for loops

2000-08-03 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi folks, Can anyone explain to me why the first Makefile works and yet the second Makefile doesn't? The second Makefile produces the following error messages on ``make test'' | "Makefile", line 1: Malformed conditional (widget == ${BAZ}) | "Makefile", line 1: Need an operator | "Makefile",

Re: Where is the syncer kernel process implemented?

2000-07-25 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:34:39 MST, Kirk McKusick wrote: time_t filedelay = 30; /* time to delay syncing files */ time_t dirdelay = 29; /* time to delay syncing directories */ time_t metadelay = 28; /* time to delay syncing metadata */ Each of these variables is

Where is the syncer kernel process implemented?

2000-07-14 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi folks, I need to replace the update(4) manual page with a syncer(4) manual page. Can someone please point me at the code that implements this process? Thanks, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: Where is the syncer kernel process implemented?

2000-07-14 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:38:58 MST, Alfred Perlstein wrote: /* * System filesystem synchronizer daemon. */ void sched_sync(void) It seems that the default sync delay, syncer_maxdelay, is no longer controllable via sysctl(8). Are there complex issues restricting the changing of this

Building a debugging libc

2000-06-29 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi folks, I need to build a debuggable libc, ideally a static library. I thought it'd be as simple as ``cd /usr/src/lib/libc; make obj depend all''. However, doing so scores me the following error: cc -O -g -pipe -c /a/usr/src/lib/libc/../libc/gen/_spinlock_stub.c -o _spinlock_stub.o

Re: Building a debugging libc

2000-06-29 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:36:27 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: I need to build a debuggable libc, ideally a static library. I thought it'd be as simple as ``cd /usr/src/lib/libc; make obj depend all''. However, doing so scores me the following error: Bleh, nevermind. I was doing ``make CFLAGS

Re: controlled panic - kernel-module

2000-05-08 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Sun, 07 May 2000 16:17:39 +0200, Alexander Langer wrote: This needs to be compiled into the kernel, modules compile faster than new kernels :-P But, this could be documented as well. Only if someone sent in a patch. *nudge* While you're deciding which document to patch, you may

Re: bin/18312: FreeBSD System Recovery -- mt not statically linked

2000-05-08 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Fri, 05 May 2000 11:16:29 MST, Matthew Dillon wrote: There's not much point statically linking mt if it's sitting in /usr/bin. On the face of it it does seem a good candidate to move to /bin. Given that having things move around in the base system carries with it varying

Re: Is there a way to install FreeBSD without Probbing Devices

2000-05-08 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Sun, 07 May 2000 13:28:44 -0300, Gustavo Pamplona wrote: Sadly, I posted to FreeBSD-Questions, but nobody answered me. And I think Hackers is the best choice. (I think is necessary to hack the sysinstall program to do this) Judging from your message, I'd say that nobody who reads

Re: testers for PR 17698

2000-05-02 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Tue, 02 May 2000 15:45:04 +0200, Johan Karlsson wrote: Did you get any alpha/pc98 testers for the patch in PR 17698 Not yet, but since I know that lots of people have been away the last two weeks, I'd like to wait another week before I go ahead without review. Ciao, Sheldon. To

Where to send PC98 review requests

2000-05-02 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi folks, I have patches that I'd like to run by PC98 people for testing. What mailing list should I send them to? Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: Safe sourcing of rc files

2000-04-27 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:31:27 +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: Unless someone comes back with negative feedback, I'll be pushing for a commit for this (and all that depend on this change) on the weekend. Consider this a request for review and comment. My intention is to commit the patches

Re: Safe sourcing of rc files

2000-04-27 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 16:21:56 +0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: Nope, feel free and go ahead to commit something. I don't mind either way. Excellent. I've committed the function to defaults/rc.conf and the calls to it from the various rc scripts. I realize that this is something we want

Re: Shell games

2000-04-26 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:53:22 +0100, Brian Somers wrote: I'm not sure why sanity won here though. I guess it'll be done the next time it comes up Reason won in the Bourne shell case because ours is actively maintained. Until ours is no longer actively maintained by a responsive,

Re: floating point exceptions

2000-04-26 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:05:23 MST, Brooks Davis wrote: Is FreeBSD's behavior correct? Why or why not? You can use the included code snippet to verify that this occurs. FreeBSD has traditionaly violated the IEEE FP standard in this regard. This is fixed in 5.0 and I think in

Re: Kernel adjustment for clock drift

2000-04-11 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:02:28 +1000, Greg Black wrote: I've been away from the FreeBSD lists for ages and am looking for an update on clock drift management under FreeBSD-3.4R. I asked this on -questions, but got no answers. Perhaps somebody here knows the answer. For the benefit of

Re: NO_SENDMAIL in /etc/make.conf

2000-03-31 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:04:34 PST, Peter Wemm wrote: man mailwrapper man mailer.conf Then see /etc/mail/mailer.conf And for those who read the manual page and still don't want /usr/sbin/sendmail to be blown away by mailwrapper(8), there's now a NO_MAILWRAPPER knob. Ciao, Sheldon. To

Re: Shared /bin and /sbin

2000-03-31 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:29:50 +0200, Ollivier Robert wrote: copies of libc in /sbin and /bin. I was thinking about building, for this system only, /bin and /sbin dynamic. Has anybody ever done this? Ask Bruce. He used to have a completely dynamic system a while ago... Bruce Evans? A

Alpha pc98 testers wanted

2000-03-31 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi folks, The following patch to the 5.0-CURRENT sources allows the installkernel target to install multiple kernels. Given the following in /etc/make.conf: KERNEL= AXL AXLOPT GENERIC the installkernel target would install: AXL - /kernel AXLOPT -

Re: Tiny GENERIC patch

2000-03-29 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:22:48 +0200, Johan Karlsson wrote: Should I re-send it or will it show up anyway. Re-send to [EMAIL PROTECTED], taking care to preserve the "kern/17536" on the subject line. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe

Re: Tiny GENERIC patch

2000-03-28 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:21:50 +0100, Johan Karlsson wrote: Before this is commited please have a look at the PR kern/17536 which addresses a similar thing. When using the patch you provide on that PR, what does the How-To-Repeat do? The more detail you can give in your answer, the better.

Re: Tiny GENERIC patch

2000-03-28 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:22:11 +0200, Johan Karlsson wrote: I have just submitted a 'follow-up' to the PR with this info. Are you sure you sent mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "kern/17536" on the subject line? I can't see any follow-up on the PR. :-( Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail

Re: openssh + krb5 (followup)

2000-03-22 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:01:09 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: $ ssh -v -l root axl.ops [...] debug: Trying Kerberos V5 authentication. ssh in free(): warning: chunk is already free. [...] This was caused by a stale krb5.keytab on my box. It would have been nice if a more useful error message

Re: openssh + krb5 (followup)

2000-03-22 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:11:21 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: Interoperability with MIT krb5 still seems to be an issue. Bleh, more FUD. The problem is in operability with non-FreeBSD openssh! We use supported_authentication values for KRB5 that neither Datafellows SSH nor OpenBSD SSH use

openssh + krb5

2000-03-18 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi folks, I'm trying to get openssh and krb5 in the base system to work on 5.0-CURRENT. I have a patch (included below) which get krb5 working and cause openssh to be linked against krb5. However, I now have two problems with openssh. First, sshd doesn't recognize the KerberosAuthentication,

Re: openssh + krb5

2000-03-18 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:29:40 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: First, sshd doesn't recognize the KerberosAuthentication, KerberosOrLocalPasswd nor KerberosTgtPassing options in sshd_config. Please ignore this. I was being a complete dufus. If you only compile with MAKE_KERBEROS5=YES

Re: Why not gzip iso images?

2000-03-15 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:42:11 +0100, Arnout Boer wrote: But for the ISO images... IS it a problem to gzip them Well, I can think of at least one problem. Think of the extra disk space folks would need for the gunzip step. :-) They take less space on the master site and the mirror

Re: Why not gzip iso images?

2000-03-15 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:43:27 GMT, Paul Robinson wrote: If you save 20Mb, over a reliable 56Kb modem, you've saved them somewhere in the region of one and a half hours... I think you guys are too used to your broadband... :) And you're forgetting that, as I said in my original reply, people

Re: Why not gzip iso images?

2000-03-15 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:55:14 GMT, Paul Robinson wrote: But you're defeated by your own argument, as according to you the image doesn't compress very well No, you're not reading the thread properly. Someone else (who doesn't have the same bandwidth limitations that you and I do) said it

Re: Is FreeBSD dead ?

2000-03-10 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:02:38 GMT, Didier Derny wrote: I've just read the announcement of the merge of BSDI and Walnut Creek CDROM. (March 10 2000). I guess it's a sad day for FreeBSD. I can't imagine how a company selling it's own BSD could at the same time let another BSD free. You're

Re: empty lists in for

2000-03-06 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Sat, 04 Mar 2000 15:36:43 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: I seem to remember POSIX being ambiguous on this one, but my books are at the office. If you haven't gotten a more conclusive answer by Monday, mail me and I'll look it up. I was wrong about POSIX being ambiguous in this regard

Re: empty lists in for

2000-03-06 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 00:59:39 PST, Doug Barton wrote: for name [ in word ] do compound-list done the "in word" is optional. Therefore: Hmmm, you're right. I must admit, though, that if the text is confusing enough to confuse me, it's not entirely clear (even if I'm not the

Re: empty lists in for

2000-03-06 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 01:44:35 PST, Doug Barton wrote: At the same time, I'd also like to see if POSIX has a clear definition of "word." Aha, that's what we should have looked at right in the beginning. My take on POSIX.2 3.10.2 (Shell Grammar Rules) is that _word_ may not be the empty

Re: Keeping using locally modified source

2000-03-06 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Thu, 02 Mar 2000 19:59:39 EST, James Howard wrote: The problem is how do we keep up with -STABLE afterwards? Using CVSup, out changes will get clobbered every time. Is there a facility where you can keep up with the source but let local modifications through? CVS does this

Re: empty lists in for

2000-03-06 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:04:53 EST, Chet Ramey wrote: Bash claims POSIX.2 compliance. If you have specific reports of non-compliance, send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I spoke out of turn. Please permit me to extract my foot from my mouth and try to reattach it to some part of the body that'll

Re: empty lists in for

2000-03-04 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:10:15 +0600, Max Khon wrote: bash and ksh complain about unexpected ';'. /bin/sh (FreeBSD) thinks it's ok and does nothing. Which behaviour is more POSIXly correct? Neither bash nor ksh claim to be particularly POSIX compliant. our /bin/sh does. I seem to remember

Re: DeCSS

2000-03-03 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:05:55 +0800, Peter Wemm wrote: I would love to make a port of this, for reasons that become obvious once you see the page. (Think of all the mailing list archives and mirrors) http://www.totse.com/DeCSS/ Screw the cascading style sheets business, I wanna

Re: (forw) Re: readdir_r thread safe?

2000-02-21 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Sat, 05 Feb 2000 15:16:28 PST, Alfred Perlstein wrote: Ugh, I should have brought this up before the code freeze but... Before feature freeze, in fact. Fight the madness. :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body

Re: Y2K: groff in the tree out of date

2000-02-16 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:29:19 PST, Ted Faber wrote: The groff in 3.4-stable is out of date. Be sure to catch 4.0-RELEASE. :-) Should I submit a PR on this? You'd probably be wasting your time, given that a Merge From Current is unlikely for something like this. Unless there are critical

Re: Harlan Stenn:

2000-01-20 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:59:53 +0100, Ollivier Robert wrote: Ahem Harlan is the *maintainer* of the ntp source tree at udel and generates all releases :-) Okay, people, relax. So far, the only person I haven't been chewed out by for this is Mr. Stenn himself, who seemed to feel that he'd

locale documentation

2000-01-19 Thread Sheldon Hearn
I give up. :-) Where can I find a programmer's guide to locales. Both POSIX and SUSv2 seem to assume a working understanding of how locales work. In particular, I'm trying to figure out how to discover what the current locale is within an application. If that seems like s atupid thing to

Re: locale documentation

2000-01-19 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:28:18 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: In particular, I'm trying to figure out how to discover what the current locale is within an application. Nevermind. setlocale.c answered my question and it appears I simply missed the relevant text in setlocale(3). Sorry, Sheldon

Re: Harlan Stenn:

2000-01-18 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:35:37 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody comment on whether or not this is a good patch? Nope, but I _can_ suggest that you send it to the right place. :-) Please see the Patching Procedures section of the NTP web page:

Re: rfork() [was: Concept check]

2000-01-12 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 08:47:06 MST, Wes Peters wrote: Sheldon, do you want to tackle that one? You seem to be in a manpage mood these days. If someone writes up plain text for the manual page, I'll be more than happy to do mdoc mark-up and grammar clean-ups. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe:

Re: useful addition to mergemaster (patch included)?

2000-01-11 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:21:32 MST, John and Jennifer Reynolds wrote: So, I made a quick hack to mergemaster so it would recognize a new "rc" variable called IGNORE_FILE. This file is a list of files mergemaster should ignore, or not compare. One filename per line. I've been meaning to do

Re: VIPW user accounts

2000-01-06 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Thu, 06 Jan 2000 09:41:21 CST, "Aaron Sonntag" wrote: I usually edit VIPW by hand. I have set up mail only accounts using /usr/bin/passwd shell. Along the same lines how do I go about setting up the following accounts: ftp only ftp and mail only I've written

Re: SIGFPE on arithmetic overflow

1999-12-24 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 10:37:35 GMT, Ben Smithurst wrote: Could somebody try this piece of code on a -STABLE machine, just out of curiosity...? I did, it gets SIGFPE too. I think this boils down to my lack of understanding of IEEE floating point arithmetic standards. The following

SIGFPE on arithmetic overflow

1999-12-23 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi folks, I'm looking for an explanation of a difference I've found between NetBSD and FreeBSD in the handling of arithmetic overflow in typecasting. The following code, compiled on a stock FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT machine cores on SIGFPE. On a NetBSD 1.4.1 machine (gcc-2.91.60), the program

Re: Xlib.h Question

1999-12-13 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:56:12 CST, "Gene Harris" wrote: #include X11/Xfuncproto.h #include X11/Xosdefs.h If I edit out the "X11/" subdir, everything compiles correctly. Is this a known bug, or have I placed Xlib.h in the wrong subdir? (It is found in /usr/X11R6/include/X11 on my

Re: mode_perl DSO works on STABLE, not CURRENT

1999-11-17 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:45:52 +0100, Ollivier Robert wrote: Your Perl binary is compiled without '-Wl,-E' (or '-Wl,--export-dynamic'). Without this option the Perl binary doesn't expoert its symbols thus preventing any dynamically loaded module to use anything from the binary. Hi

Re: Support for USB floppies like Y-E Data FlashBuster-u ?

1999-11-16 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:56:21 +0100, Nick Hibma wrote: If you ask the 3 IDE disks and ethernet hub that have gone pop this weekend, they would say no, but myself I was pretty firm that I was going to do something about it this weekend. Bastard things, they should be shot and they will be.

Re: mode_perl DSO works on STABLE, not CURRENT

1999-11-12 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:45:52 +0100, Ollivier Robert wrote: Your Perl binary is compiled without '-Wl,-E' (or '-Wl,--export-dynamic'). Without this option the Perl binary doesn't expoert its symbols thus preventing any dynamically loaded module to use anything from the binary. The

mode_perl DSO works on STABLE, not CURRENT

1999-11-10 Thread Sheldon Hearn
. :-) Ciao, Sheldon. --- Forwarded Message Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 17:01:06 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Undefined symbol "PL_markstack_ptr" at runtime Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --- =_aa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset

Re: Staroffice 5.1 on 3.3-RELEASE (how I ended up getting it to work)

1999-10-27 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:44:47 -0400, Robert Watson wrote: I have not yet figured out how to get rid of the two warning messages at startup, which are irritating but appear not to actually break anything. http://www.stat.duke.edu/~sto/StarOffice51a/install.html Ciao, Sheldon. To

Re: FreeBSD hackers (fwd)

1999-10-18 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:03:05 CST, Chad David wrote: From the cvs headers in if_vlan.c is appears there has, so would FreeBSD work in this situation? This question was raised on PR 13281 and the originator has yet to get an answer back from the maintainer (wollman). Ciao, Sheldon. To

Re: nawk vs gawk? (was Re: GNU GLOBAL)

1999-09-22 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:06:41 EST, "Pedro Fernando Giffuni" wrote: Gawk has more features, but I saw a test somewhere that showed a bug in the FreeBSD version. I can dig it up if someone is really interested. PR 13615 Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Re: panic() the system from the console (was: Re: kern/13721: There is no way to force system panic from console)

1999-09-17 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:30:30 MST, Doug wrote: Would not the 'panic' option in DDB be enough to handle this, or am I missing something? He wanted a to be able to panic() a machine from console without being able to drop to DDB from console. I think this is because he believes that DDB

Re: panic() the system from the console (was: Re: kern/13721: There is no way to force system panic from console)

1999-09-17 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:30:30 MST, Doug wrote: Would not the 'panic' option in DDB be enough to handle this, or am I missing something? He wanted a to be able to panic() a machine from console without being able to drop to DDB from console. I think this is because he believes that DDB

Re: Problem with FreeBSD

1999-09-16 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:06:59 MST, Mike Smith wrote: Actually, as with many such cases, the floppy disk driver turned out to be flakey. We resolved this via private mail. Driver, or drive? The BIOS is the driver at this point in time. Argh! Thanks. I meant the floppy drive. Ciao,

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