On Sep 27, 2013, at 10:47 AM, Nikolas Britton wrote:
General questions regarding FreeBSD 10:
1. Did virtualization containers (VPS) make it into FreeBSD 10? The
documentation I’ve read implies that you can have nested containers, with
little to no performance penalty, is this correct? How
(sorry for top post)
Heh, looks like the Alton Brown style of debugging ;D (for anyone that follows
his twitter feed)
--
Devin
On Aug 8, 2013, at 7:34 AM, william benton wrote:
I am trying to mount a memory stick at the command line. I seem to be able to
mount and unmount it but i can't
On Aug 6, 2013, at 9:20 AM, markham breitbach wrote:
On 13-08-03 8:04 AM, Teske, Devin wrote:
Actually, there's /usr/share/bsdconfig/media/tcpip.subr
I don't seem to have that (FreeBSD 8.3-RELEASE). Where would I get that
from?
It's in up-coming 9.2-R (and present 9.2
On Aug 6, 2013, at 9:43 AM, Polytropon wrote:
On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 10:20:05 -0600, markham breitbach wrote:
On 13-08-03 8:04 AM, Teske, Devin wrote:
Actually, there's /usr/share/bsdconfig/media/tcpip.subr
I don't seem to have that (FreeBSD 8.3-RELEASE).
Where would I get that from
On Aug 6, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Polytropon wrote:
On Tue, 6 Aug 2013 16:50:37 +, Teske, Devin wrote:
And yes... to clarify... the port is a mirror of what's in 9.x base.
(however, see my recent notes in a separate reply; TL;DR: port is
9.x only; proceed only if you know you don't care about
On Aug 3, 2013, at 12:35 AM, Dewayne wrote:
Unfortunately I have had the need on several occasions to recover systems
that use geli encrypted disks. Unfortunately geli is not
included in the crunchgen /rescue directory. Has anyone been successful in
crunchgen'ing geli into /rescue?
On Aug 3, 2013, at 4:30 AM, Fbsd8 wrote:
I have a .sh script that I need to determine if the entered IP address
is IPv4 or IPv6.
Is there some .sh command that does this?
In RELENG_9, soon to be released 9.2-R:
=== FILE: wis ===
#!/bin/sh
DEVICE_SELF_SCAN_ALL=
.
On Aug 3, 2013, at 5:04 AM, Robert Huff wrote:
Fbsd8 writes:
I have a .sh script that I need to determine if the entered IP
address is IPv4 or IPv6.
Is there some .sh command that does this?
Not that I know of.
But ... how hard can it be to figure out whether it uses
On Aug 1, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Sam Fourman Jr. wrote:
one specific question I have, that I can't find in the handbook...
To make a FreeBSD release, that is to build the install images... you build
world, and kernel.. then go to /etc/src/release and type make release...
after this, the release
On Aug 1, 2013, at 9:56 AM, Amitabh Kant wrote:
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Teske, Devin devin.te...@fisglobal.com
wrote:
I'm hoping that my very open development documentation on customizing the
release(7) process for producing DruidBSD releases can help you out here.
I've
On Aug 1, 2013, at 10:58 AM, Teske, Devin wrote:
On Aug 1, 2013, at 9:56 AM, Amitabh Kant wrote:
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Teske, Devin devin.te...@fisglobal.com
wrote:
I'm hoping that my very open development documentation on customizing the
release(7) process for producing
On Jul 28, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Conny Andersson wrote:
Hi Ian,
Thank you for all of your advices regarding my questions. I have been using
FreeBSD for more than ten years, but I never heard of sade (sysadmins disk
editor). That is one of the joyful things with running FreeBSD/Unix; there
On Jul 23, 2013, at 7:24 AM, Pietro Paolini wrote:
Hello all,
I have to install in a probably not latest version BSD machine but when I try
to
pkg_add -r vim-lite
Error: Unable to get
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-9.0-release/Latest/vim-lite.tbz:
File
On Jul 23, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Pietro Paolini wrote:
On Jul 23, 2013, at 5:16 PM, Fernando Apesteguía
fernando.apesteg...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jul 12, 2013, at 2:35 AM, Frank Leonhardt wrote:
On 12/07/2013 02:33, Teske, Devin wrote:
On Jul 11, 2013, at 6:19 PM, Fbsd8 wrote:
In a .sh script I'm trying to get the jid for a single jail using this code
jid=`jls -j jailname | cut -f 1- | awk '{print $1}'`
Looks a little over
On Jul 11, 2013, at 6:19 PM, Fbsd8 wrote:
In a .sh script I'm trying to get the jid for a single jail using this code
jid=`jls -j jailname | cut -f 1- | awk '{print $1}'`
Looks a little over complicated... why not just..
jls -j jailname jid
--
Devin
The first line output by jls is a
On Jul 8, 2013, at 3:24 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote:
[snip]
So the question:
Why or when will I need an secure UEFI boot???
From what I've read of UEFI Secure boot, I've parceled out into these nuggets:
(correct any nuggets I got wrong)
1. UEFI Secure boot is actually UEFI +
On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:55 PM, Olivier Nicole wrote:
Hi,
Is there a way to install an X client without automatically install an
X server?
On all my systems, I throw xterm and emacs, as the primary tools I use
for management, but the display is always remote, I never, ever, run X
on the
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org
[owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] on behalf of Dan Nelson
[dnel...@allantgroup.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:54 AM
To: takCoder
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: apply /etc/ttys
On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:41 AM, Pol Hallen wrote:
Hi all :-)
I need use -X ssh and use firefox on remote machine:
ssh -X -l user xxx host
Is there a way to install firefox without X? or less ports possible
I indeed run Firefox using the above method from my servers (which aren't
On Jun 17, 2013, at 7:47 AM, Eduardo Morras wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:49:56 +0330
takCoder tak.offic...@gmail.com wrote:
I need to moderate the input password in my system's user interface. And I
believe i have tested longer passwords than that, about 1000 characters
long, and there
On Jun 17, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Mark Felder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:25:54 -0500, Teske, Devin devin.te...@fisglobal.com
wrote:
The default in FreeBSD is MD5
MD5 is no longer the default.
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revisionrevision=238484
Huzzah!
9.1-RELEASE
On Jun 14, 2013, at 1:51 PM, Polytropon wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:54:06 -0400, Mike. wrote:
On 6/14/2013 at 9:12 PM Polytropon wrote:
|On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 12:13:34 -0400, Mike. wrote:
| I would like to set the locale of my 9.1 server to
|
|LANG=en_US.ISO8859-1
|
|
|
On Jun 11, 2013, at 2:56 AM, Jan Henrik Sylvester wrote:
On 06/10/2013 21:10, dte...@freebsd.org wrote:
Character sentinels are not required.
FreeBSD's sh(1) knows (because [ is a built-in) that when you quote a
parameter, that it is not (even if the value begins with -) not an
operator.
On Jun 3, 2013, at 6:33 AM, Pietro Paolini wrote:
On Jun 1, 2013, at 5:26 AM, Teske, Devin devin.te...@fisglobal.com wrote:
On May 31, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Teske, Devin wrote:
On May 31, 2013, at 1:48 AM, Pietro Paolini wrote:
On May 30, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Teske, Devin devin.te
On May 29, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Pol Hallen wrote:
It's a while since I looked at OpenVPN, so this is from unreliable
memory, but IIRC it uses tap devices under Windows and tun devices under
Unix(ish) OSes. Do you see tun0 appear?
sorry for the mistake: tun device
I don't have any tun
On May 31, 2013, at 1:48 AM, Pietro Paolini wrote:
On May 30, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Teske, Devin
devin.te...@fisglobal.commailto:devin.te...@fisglobal.com wrote:
On May 30, 2013, at 3:35 AM, Pietro Paolini wrote:
Hello all,
I am a new bye on the FreeBSD and I am looking at the VIMAGE features
On May 31, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Teske, Devin wrote:
On May 31, 2013, at 1:48 AM, Pietro Paolini wrote:
On May 30, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Teske, Devin
devin.te...@fisglobal.commailto:devin.te...@fisglobal.com wrote:
On May 30, 2013, at 3:35 AM, Pietro Paolini wrote:
Hello all,
I am a new bye
On May 30, 2013, at 3:35 AM, Pietro Paolini wrote:
Hello all,
I am a new bye on the FreeBSD and I am looking at the VIMAGE features
experiencing some problems.
I added the options :
VIMAGE
if_bridge
and I removed
STCP
then I recompiled my kernel and install it.
After that, following this
On May 30, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Joe wrote:
Pietro Paolini wrote:
On May 30, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Joe
fb...@a1poweruser.commailto:fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote:
Pietro Paolini wrote:
Hello all,
I am a new bye on the FreeBSD and I am looking at the VIMAGE features
experiencing some problems.
I added the
On May 21, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Tim Nelson wrote:
Greetings-
I have need to install FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE amd64 to build some packages. My
usual method of installation is via the *-bootonly.iso, pulling the install
from FTP. However, it appears since 8.1-RELEASE is old and deprecated, none
On May 20, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Joe wrote:
[…]
Without netgraph compiled into the kernel, issuing ngctl list command on
the host only shows the socket for ngctl.
After I issue the kldload command on the host for netgraph ng_bridge
ng_eiface ng_ether ng_socket, then issuing ngctl list
On May 19, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote:
Hi,
On 05/19/2013 04:57 PM, Joe wrote:
I create a ng bridge but issuing ifconfig does not show the bridge.
Running 9.1-RELEASE.
Is this a bug?
ifconfig is not supposed to know about a netgraph bridge. So this is
by design. Also,
On May 19, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Joe wrote:
When I issue ngctl list command on the host it only shows the socket for
ngctl.
I thought it would also show the real NIC interface device names.
Am I wrong in thinking that?
No, you're not wrong, however one wrinkle is that ng_ether(4) has to be
Sorry for top-post, but just wanted to add a quick note:
The output of ngctl dot would be very helpful to others in debugging your
setup.
--
Devin
On May 18, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Joe wrote:
Hello list
I cant get to the internet using this netgraph setup script.
I sure would appreciate
On May 18, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Polytropon wrote:
On Sat, 18 May 2013 11:58:30 -0400, Quartz wrote:
newfoo=${foo:0:51}
That works for bash, not sh.
Ok granted, but I don't think that ${#foo} is straight sh either, so I
assumed things bash/tcsh/ksh/whatever accept when running in sh
On May 18, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Quartz wrote:
#foo works with sh
Is it actually part of the official spec though is what I'm wondering, or is
it a case of other shells not rejecting 'advanced' statements when running in
emulation.
Shells don't have an emulation mode. The shell supports
On May 18, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Teske, Devin wrote:
On May 18, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Quartz wrote:
#foo works with sh
Is it actually part of the official spec though is what I'm wondering, or is
it a case of other shells not rejecting 'advanced' statements when running
in emulation
On May 18, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Joe wrote:
Teske, Devin wrote:
Sorry for top-post, but just wanted to add a quick note:
The output of ngctl dot would be very helpful to others in debugging your
setup.
graph netgraph {
edge [ weight = 1.0 ];
node [ shape = record, fontsize = 12 ] {
1 [ label
On May 16, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
On 05/16/2013 10:08 AM, Joe wrote:
Hello
Have script that has max size on content in a variable.
How to code size less than 51 characters?
FOO=Some string you want to check length of
FOOLEN=`echo $FOO | wc | awk '{print $3}'`
Uh,
On May 16, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Teske, Devin wrote:
On May 16, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
On 05/16/2013 10:08 AM, Joe wrote:
Hello
Have script that has max size on content in a variable.
How to code size less than 51 characters?
FOO=Some string you want to check length
On May 16, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Teske, Devin wrote:
On May 16, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Teske, Devin wrote:
On May 16, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
On 05/16/2013 10:08 AM, Joe wrote:
Hello
Have script that has max size on content in a variable.
How to code size less than 51 characters?
FOO
On Apr 29, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Joe wrote:
Teske, Devin wrote:
On Apr 28, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Joe wrote:
running 9.1 and can not figure how to get into single user mode or safe mode
from the BOOT menu.
After hitting the 5 or 6 keys to select those options, what do you do next to
continue?
Based
On Apr 28, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Michael Sierchio wrote:
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
After the BTX loader has started, keep hammering the space
bar. :-)
At some point, you'll see the
Ok
_
prompt. This is where you enter the
On Apr 28, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Joe wrote:
running 9.1 and can not figure how to get into single user mode or safe mode
from the BOOT menu.
After hitting the 5 or 6 keys to select those options, what do you do next to
continue?
Based on your description it sounds like you have the following
On Apr 17, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Outback Dingo wrote:
Ok, maybe im at a loss here in the way my brain is viewing this
we have a box, its got 2 nodes in the chassis, and 32 sata drives
attached to a SATA/SAS backplane via 4 (2 per node) LSI MPT SAS2 cards
should i not logically be seeing 4
On Apr 17, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Outback Dingo wrote:
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Teske, Devin
devin.te...@fisglobal.commailto:devin.te...@fisglobal.com wrote:
On Apr 17, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Outback Dingo wrote:
Ok, maybe im at a loss here in the way my brain is viewing this
we have
On Apr 17, 2013, at 4:56 PM, Outback Dingo wrote:
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Teske, Devin
devin.te...@fisglobal.commailto:devin.te...@fisglobal.com wrote:
On Apr 17, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Outback Dingo wrote:
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Teske, Devin
devin.te
On Apr 4, 2013, at 5:32 AM, Mark Felder wrote:
Hi all,
Hopefully someone here is much more clever than I am. I've run out of ideas
on how to cleanly convert this chunk of ksh to posix sh.
/me takes the challenge (and shame on some of the current responses; this is
trivial in sh and
On Apr 4, 2013, at 7:42 AM, Mark Felder wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:54:30 -0500, Teske, Devin devin.te...@fisglobal.com
wrote:
Wait, you can't? Then I've been doing something wrong all these years…
#!/bin/sh
printf line1\nline2\n | while read line
do
echo line=[$line]
done
Oh, and just to cover all bases…
If you suspect you have sub-shells in the loop, use export to export the vars
so that the sub-shells get the vars in the loop.
--
Devin
On Apr 4, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Teske, Devin wrote:
On Apr 4, 2013, at 7:42 AM, Mark Felder wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08
On Apr 4, 2013, at 8:11 AM, Mark Felder wrote:
Sorry, my email client did something weird with collapsing and I didn't see
you mention that it appeared to be working for you.
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:54:30 -0500, Teske, Devin devin.te...@fisglobal.com
wrote:
The only things I saw
On Mar 31, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Joe fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote:
kpn...@pobox.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 09:22:22AM -0400, Maikoda Sutter wrote:
If I use the kernel as a basis for my own system and modify the kernel
should I still maintain the licensing of the kernel bits, or could
I suspect you're running out of mbuf clusters.
Try:
echo kern.ipc.nmbclusters=524288 /etc/sysctl.conf
echo kern.ipc.nmbjumbop=524288 /etc/sysctl.conf
reboot
--
Devin
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org]
on
rm -R -- -S
The -- tells it here's the end of the options, here come the
file/directories
--
Devin
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org]
on behalf of Jos Chrispijn [ker...@webrz.net]
Sent: Saturday, March 02,
On Fri, 01 Mar 2013, Bernt Hansson wrote:
On 2013-02-27 11:19, Bernt Hansson wrote:
2013-02-26 15:18, Teske, Devin skrev:
Yes, this is possible.
When I get into work, I'll share with you the recipe
Please do share with us.
Ok I rephrase my question. How do I install
Yes, this is possible.
When I get into work, I'll share with you the recipe (I have a script called
update4.sh which I run after building [or rsync'ing] a 4.x box to an 8.x box
to become a vimage; note that I didn't say jail -- 4.x runs better as a VNET
jail than a regular jail).
We've not
I did a write-up on hardware integration procedures some time back.
Might help...
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-June/241956.html
In addition, I'll add that you don't necessarily have to boot FreeBSD... what
I'll often do is boot DruidBSD and run the Hardware
Is it the base machine that won't boot? I got this ...
My latest version of Druid has a very sophisticated Interactive Disk Repair
script that will assemble your system humpty-dumpty style while booted from a
CD or Thumb drive (you said you couldn't burn a CD, but it wasn't clear whether
you
From: Bernt Hansson [b...@bananmonarki.se]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:22 AM
To: Teske, Devin
Cc: Fleuriot Damien; questions FreeBSD
Subject: Re: I made a mess. libc
2013-02-21 18:01, Teske, Devin skrev:
Is it the base machine that won't boot? I got
On Thu, 21 Feb 2013, Shane Ambler wrote:
On 22/02/2013 05:52, Devin Teske wrote:
What I find strange is that:
1. I knew about ListenAddress w/respect to jails, but...
2. We are not changing it (sshd_config has no ListenAddress -- leading to
default values used), yet...
3. Base
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013, Bernt Hansson wrote:
Hello list!
I dont seem to get net working in a test jail.
These I've tried;
ftp, fetch, telnet
They time out.
Ssh sort of work.
32bit# ssh 10.0.0.3
ssh_askpass: exec(/usr/local/bin/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory
Host key
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013, Bernt Hansson wrote:
On 2013-02-20 17:23, Teske, Devin wrote:
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013, Bernt Hansson wrote:
Hello list!
I dont seem to get net working in a test jail.
These I've tried;
ftp, fetch, telnet
They time out.
Ssh sort of work.
32bit# ssh
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013, Bernt Hansson wrote:
On 2013-02-20 19:07, Jeff Tipton wrote:
On 02/20/2013 19:42, Bernt Hansson wrote:
On 2013-02-20 17:23, Teske, Devin wrote:
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013, Bernt Hansson wrote:
Hello list!
I dont seem to get net working in a test jail.
These I've
4. lsvfs output?
--
Devin
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org]
on behalf of Jeremy Chadwick [j...@koitsu.org]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 12:16 AM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Cc:
The tool for checking rc.conf(5) is my sysrc(8).
It will eventually be part of base (it's already checked into HEAD at
usr.sbin/sysrc -- but not installed by default unless WITH_BSDCONFIG is enabled
when performing a build(7) or release(7) process).
Currently, also available via ports in
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013, Rick Miller wrote:
Hi Devin,
On 12/20/12 1:10 PM, Devin Teske devin.te...@fisglobal.com wrote:
For now, people that prefer sysinstall can use my FreeBSD Druid pre-built
install media:
For 9.0:
(apologies for top-post)
As tempted as I am, I think newsyslog(8) may be what you want.
Missing information in your post is how you intend to timestamp the files -- by
filename? by content? If by-content, then is it a good assumption that the data
is one entry per-line? ... and if-so, is the
On Tue, 12 Feb 2013, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
Is there a way for script to determine whether is was sourced
or forked off as a subprocess when it was invoked?
Not that I'm aware of.
I have a script that needs to be sourced to work properly and
I want to warn the luser if they exec or subshell
On Sun, 10 Feb 2013, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote:
On 2/10/2013 1:12 AM, Teske, Devin wrote:
On Sat, 9 Feb 2013, Fbsd8 wrote:
I did google search and could only find 9.0 vnet jails using epair.
I'm surprised you didn't find my own page on vnet jails using netgraph:
http://druidbsd.sf.net
On Sun, 10 Feb 2013, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote:
On 2/10/2013 8:57 AM, Polytropon wrote:
On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 22:52:37 -0800 (PST), Dánielisz László wrote:
Hi Everybody,
Do you have any idea how can I list those installed packages
that are not required by any other?
You can use
On Sun, 10 Feb 2013, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote:
On 2/10/2013 2:54 PM, Teske, Devin wrote:
It's not in ports only because I first wanted to see where jail.conf would
take us w/respect to vimages.
I see.
However, this package not being in ports shouldn't prevented you from
trying
On Sun, 10 Feb 2013, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote:
On 2/10/2013 3:56 PM, Teske, Devin wrote:
Excellent! This is precisely what I was after when I wrote the vimage
package and its contents. I'm familiar with IMUNES and netgraph fits the
bill well (especially with ngctl dot being useful
Have you tried using netgraph?
--
Devin
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org]
on behalf of Fbsd8 [fb...@a1poweruser.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:57 AM
To: FreeBSD questions
Subject: vnet without epair
On Sat, 9 Feb 2013, Fbsd8 wrote:
Nikos Vassiliadis wrote:
On 2/9/2013 5:57 PM, Fbsd8 wrote:
Has any one been able to get RELEASE 9.1 to enable jail vnet without
having to use epair?
Yes, you can use vnet-enabled jails with several types of interfaces.
Physical ones like em0 etc,
On 7 Feb 2013, Paul Schmehl wrote:
--On February 6, 2013 5:21:39 PM -0600 dte...@freebsd.org wrote:
-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-
questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Paul Schmehl
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:59
Use = for string comparison with the [ built-in and -eq for numerical
comparison.
--
Devin
On Jan 24, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Fbsd8 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote:
I get this message [: 10.0.10.21: bad number on this code
[ ${saved_ip} -eq ${used_ip} ] echo good match
Both variables have
On Apr 13, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 07:49:40 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
On Friday 13 April 2012 23:37:16 Polytropon wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 22:59:41 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
On Friday 13 April 2012 20:56:35 Sean Cavanaugh
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