Proper list server? (was Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?)

2007-04-11 Thread Jonathan McKeown
On Wednesday 11 April 2007 05:12, L Goodwin wrote: For starters, how about getting this mail group on a proper list server? I'll gladly help if there is anything I can do other than get in the way... I normally try not to be rude, but... what on Earth are you talking about? What is it about a

Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-11 Thread Yuri Grebenkin
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:06:15 -0400 Jules Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boy, do I want answers too! We have HD's that run 24X7. And I don't want to turn them off, I just want them to sleep quietly until needed. We have lot's of RAM, thus plenty of cache space. Our machines are

Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-11 Thread Gary Kline
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 09:06:15PM -0400, Jules Gilbert wrote: Boy, do I want answers too! We have HD's that run 24X7. And I don't want to turn them off, I just want them to sleep quietly until needed. We have lot's of RAM, thus plenty of cache space. Our machines are all blades.

Re: Proper list server? (was Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?)

2007-04-11 Thread L Goodwin
Well, Jonathan, since you asked, here are the things I've found cumbersome about freebsd-questions, some/all of which may be due to my own ignorance: 1) I get all email posted to freebsd-questions in my inbox (actually, some end up in bulk mail folder). That's a lot of mail to wade through. I'm

Re: Proper list server? (was Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?)

2007-04-11 Thread Chuck Swiger
Hi, L-- On Apr 11, 2007, at 12:14 PM, L Goodwin wrote: 1) I get all email posted to freebsd-questions in my inbox (actually, some end up in bulk mail folder). That's a lot of mail to wade through. I'm trying to get a system up and running so I can move on to the next task. I suppose I

Re: Proper list server? (was Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?)

2007-04-11 Thread Yuri Grebenkin
L Goodwin, Wrap your lines; To reply to both list and sender use Reply to all; To send a private message delete [EMAIL PROTECTED]; To and so on. Control everything yourself! But I think that the best is to use some normal mailer program that support simple list handling. It's not like some

Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-11 Thread Steve Franks
Say, I've been meaning to install ataidle for awhile, as my server handles approximately 3-5 requests for cvs per 24 hours, and I'm a pragmatic believer in the dangers of global warming, and I've never had a disk go bad on my old w2k systems, even though they spun up/down at least 20-50 times a

Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-11 Thread Pieter de Goeje
On Wednesday 11 April 2007, Steve Franks wrote: Say, I've been meaning to install ataidle for awhile, as my server handles approximately 3-5 requests for cvs per 24 hours, and I'm a pragmatic believer in the dangers of global warming, and I've never had a disk go bad on my old w2k systems,

Re: Proper list server? (was Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?)

2007-04-11 Thread L Goodwin
Thanks, Chuck. Subscription Options has an option Which topic categories would you like to subscribe to? that has No topics defined, but I don't see any list of topic categories or a way to select them. Chuck Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, L-- On Apr 11, 2007, at 12:14

Re: Proper list server? (was Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?)

2007-04-11 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg
On Apr 11, 2007, at 2:14 PM, L Goodwin wrote: Well, Jonathan, since you asked, here are the things I've found cumbersome about freebsd-questions, some/all of which may be due to my own ignorance: It's not so much your ignorance (well ultimately it is), but that you are using a webmail

Re: Proper list server? (was Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?)

2007-04-11 Thread L Goodwin
Thanks, Jeff and others. Ok, I'll use Reply to All. FYI, I only use this Yahoo account for situations where I don't want to get spammed to death. I started using UNIX, email and the Internet in 1989, but for the last 15 years I've been stuck with Windows (not counting hosted Web servers) --

Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-11 Thread Gary Kline
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 01:16:26PM -0700, Steve Franks wrote: Say, I've been meaning to install ataidle for awhile, as my server handles approximately 3-5 requests for cvs per 24 hours, and I'm a pragmatic believer in the dangers of global warming, and I've never had a disk go bad on my old

Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-11 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Apr 11, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Gary Kline wrote: Some things to consider (besides powering -down or -off drives) are battery backup system. Don't most UPS systems isolate your servers from the wall-socket? The better grade of UPSes do exactly that-- they provide galvanic

Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-11 Thread Gary Kline
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 04:14:33PM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: On Apr 11, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Gary Kline wrote: Some things to consider (besides powering -down or -off drives) are battery backup system. Don't most UPS systems isolate your servers from the wall-socket? The

Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-10 Thread Jules Gilbert
Boy, do I want answers too! We have HD's that run 24X7. And I don't want to turn them off, I just want them to sleep quietly until needed. We have lot's of RAM, thus plenty of cache space. Our machines are all blades. (Does this matter? I don't know.) IBMs and Super-Micros. We

Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-10 Thread L Goodwin
I'm with you, Jules! I still haven't gotten FreeBSD to boot on my one file server, but am concerned about my client's power bill. I had suggested a SAN toaster, but then he produced this 1998 vintage server from the back of a closet. It has redundant 300W power supply, 4 case fans that run

Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-09 Thread Pieter de Goeje
On Sunday 08 April 2007, Garrett Cooper wrote: Hello again all, I was wondering if there was an automatic, and possibly timed means to spin down disks available in either ports or the base system, by chance. Just trying to cut down on energy use, and increase my disks' lives :).

Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-09 Thread Apatewna
O/H Garrett Cooper έγραψε: i would agree that the greatest stress on a disk might just be while its turning on from cold... but with the warranties that seagate is offering these days, i feel bold enough to power them off/on at least once a day. Well, I feel the same but only about WD's

Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-08 Thread Yuri Grebenkin
Just wonder if it's better for an HDD not to spindown at all. Maybe it's safer to spin in peace than to park/launch? What do you think? Hello again all, I was wondering if there was an automatic, and possibly timed means to spin down disks available in either ports or the base system, by

Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-08 Thread Garrett Cooper
Yuri Grebenkin wrote: Just wonder if it's better for an HDD not to spindown at all. Maybe it's safer to spin in peace than to park/launch? What do you think? Hello again all, I was wondering if there was an automatic, and possibly timed means to spin down disks available in either

Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-08 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 10:10:17PM +0400, Yuri Grebenkin wrote: Just wonder if it's better for an HDD not to spindown at all. Maybe it's safer to spin in peace than to park/launch? What do you think? My guess (really a SWAG) is that it's bettter to leave things just happily

Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-08 Thread Garrett Cooper
Gary Kline wrote: On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 10:10:17PM +0400, Yuri Grebenkin wrote: Just wonder if it's better for an HDD not to spindown at all. Maybe it's safer to spin in peace than to park/launch? What do you think? My guess (really a SWAG) is that it's bettter to leave

Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-08 Thread Jonathan Horne
On Sunday 08 April 2007 18:11:51 Garrett Cooper wrote: Gary Kline wrote: On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 10:10:17PM +0400, Yuri Grebenkin wrote: Just wonder if it's better for an HDD not to spindown at all. Maybe it's safer to spin in peace than to park/launch? What do you think? My guess

Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-08 Thread Garrett Cooper
Jonathan Horne wrote: On Sunday 08 April 2007 18:11:51 Garrett Cooper wrote: Gary Kline wrote: On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 10:10:17PM +0400, Yuri Grebenkin wrote: Just wonder if it's better for an HDD not to spindown at all. Maybe it's safer to spin in peace than to park/launch?

Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?

2007-04-08 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 04:11:51PM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: Gary Kline wrote: On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 10:10:17PM +0400, Yuri Grebenkin wrote: Just wonder if it's better for an HDD not to spindown at all. Maybe it's safer to spin in peace than to park/launch? What do you think?