Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-10 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:53 AM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 05:56:59PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: I'm still bringing back the dozens of things I removed from ethic. And testing new ideas.  But I have a general question: have any of you wizards who run your own

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-10 Thread Jerry
On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:37:14 -0700 Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com articulated: On Jun 9, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: In many cases, it's not even obvious which of the products I find are suitable for building various types of network switches. Do you know of any Webpages that might

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-10 Thread Daniel Feenberg
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Jerry wrote: On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:37:14 -0700 Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com articulated: On Jun 9, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: In many cases, it's not even obvious which of the products I find are suitable for building various types of network switches. Do

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-10 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 08:34:06AM -0400, Daniel Feenberg wrote: I wouldn't think the OP was interested in saving money, there are other reasons for building your own switch. For example, there is a famous article Tricks you can do if your firewall is also a bridge:

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-10 Thread Gary Kline
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 08:10:05AM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote: Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:10:05 +0200 From: C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep To: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:53 AM, Chad Perrin per

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-10 Thread Jerome Herman
On 09/06/2011 02:56, Gary Kline wrote: Well, people, It's been a long, long century. I've been down for 5 days. Couldn't understand _why_ I couldn't ping anywhere [expect the Server itself]. Finally, tho, it became more and more likely that my FreeBSD was fine ... even tho I kept stripping

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-09 Thread Bill Tillman
From: Gary Kline kl...@thought.org To: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 8:56:59 PM Subject: Long Day's Journey into Bleep Well, people, It's been a long, long century.  I've been down for 5 days. Couldn't

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-09 Thread reese
Not a switch but I have had a router and two PCs just die in the last year. I know the agony of having to restore things that weren't broken as I went through that with the router. I hate to have to fix things that I broke trying to find out what was broke, as bad as having to rewrite code after

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-09 Thread Gary Gatten
$hit happens! Even with PERFECTLY clean power, things fail. Could take a week or 10 years. That's why enterprise nets have redundant everything - and there are still outages ;) - Original Message - From: Gary Kline [mailto:kl...@thought.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 07:56 PM

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-09 Thread Patrick Mahan
On 6/8/11 5:56 PM, Gary Kline wrote: Well, people, It's been a long, long century. I've been down for 5 days. Couldn't understand _why_ I couldn't ping anywhere [expect the Server itself]. Finally, tho, it became more and more likely that my FreeBSD was fine ... even tho I kept

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-09 Thread Mike L
whats this have to do with freebsd questions? You seem to have a bad habit of spamming the mailing list with mundane BS. On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote: $hit happens! Even with PERFECTLY clean power, things fail. Could take a week or 10 years. That's

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-09 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Chad Perrin on Wednesday, 08 June 2011: On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 05:56:59PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: I'm still bringing back the dozens of things I removed from ethic. And testing new ideas. But I have a general question: have any of you wizards who run your own domains or

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-09 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Chad Perrin on Wednesday, 08 June 2011: Sure. But I've had luck++ with LinkSys for years, even before Cisco bought them out. --My new switch is an LG. See what happens. ... . In my (limited) experience, Linksys actually got more annoying after Cisco bought out

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-09 Thread Modulok
But I have a general question: have any of you wizards who run your own domains or otherwise use a switch [or hub] *ever* had it just-quit?! It is solid-state. I've had a Linksys switch crap out. I've also had a Netgear switch die. In fact, there were three Netgear switches that died within a

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-09 Thread Gary Kline
On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 11:34:30PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 23:34:30 -0600 From: Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 10:21

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-09 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 11:33:04AM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 11:34:30PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: . . . but Cisco switches are overpriced crap. We were disconnecting the Netgear to replace it with a Cisco that offered a lot more functionality, and administration

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-09 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 10:05:19AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Chad Perrin on Wednesday, 08 June 2011: I think I've just had ports die one by one on a switch until it no longer worked. I don't think I've ever had the whole thing go poof for no evident reason. I have, twice. Both

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-09 Thread Gary Kline
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 10:05:19AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:05:19 -0700 From: Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep To: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Mailing List

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-09 Thread Gary Kline
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 12:08:12PM -0600, Modulok wrote: Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:08:12 -0600 From: Modulok modu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep To: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org But I have a general question: have any of you wizards who run

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-09 Thread Gary Kline
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 12:41:01PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:41:01 -0600 From: Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep To: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-09 Thread Gary Kline
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 07:21:02AM -0400, re...@adeptscience.com wrote: Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 07:21:02 -0400 From: re...@adeptscience.com Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep To: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org, FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-09 Thread Gary Kline
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 12:48:29PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:48:29 -0600 From: Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-09 Thread Daniel Staal
--As of June 9, 2011 12:48:29 PM -0600, Chad Perrin is alleged to have said: Are parts available for building an inexpensive switch, perhaps with the ability to use a stripped-down FreeBSD to run the thing? The closest I've found so far is this:

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-09 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 06:01:03PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote: Depending on your needs, Soekris, ALIX, or Netgate products could all work. Most don't have large numbers of ports (2-5 built in are standard, and some have expansion capability), but can run some higher-level processing while

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-09 Thread Daniel Feenberg
On Thu, 9 Jun 2011, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 06:01:03PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote: Depending on your needs, Soekris, ALIX, or Netgate products could all work. Most don't have large numbers of ports (2-5 built in are standard, and some have expansion capability), but can

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-09 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 07:54:00PM -0400, Daniel Feenberg wrote: A switch can also be called a bridge. FreeBSD seems to have built-in facility for bridging. See: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/filtering-bridges/index.html Thanks for that URI. Knowing what information

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-08 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 05:56:59PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: I'm still bringing back the dozens of things I removed from ethic. And testing new ideas. But I have a general question: have any of you wizards who run your own domains or otherwise use a switch [or hub] *ever* had it just-quit?!

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-08 Thread Jon Radel
On 6/8/11 11:53 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 05:56:59PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: I'm still bringing back the dozens of things I removed from ethic. And testing new ideas. But I have a general question: have any of you wizards who run your own domains or otherwise use a

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-08 Thread Gary Kline
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 12:18:52AM -0400, Jon Radel wrote: Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 00:18:52 -0400 From: Jon Radel j...@radel.com Subject: Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer On 6/8/11 11:53 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: On Wed

Re: Long Day's Journey into Bleep

2011-06-08 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 10:21:13PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 12:18:52AM -0400, Jon Radel wrote: On 6/8/11 11:53 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: I think I've just had ports die one by one on a switch until it no longer worked. I don't think I've ever had the whole thing go