Re: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java
* Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [0125 07:25]: > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dick Davies > > > > I don't think it does cost the Foundation nothing, that's the > > trouble. You spend years jumping through hoops to get the certification (the > > only benefit of which is it pleases the managers) and then they turn round > > and make you do it again. > Hmm - sounds like what Microsoft does. I've heard of them - don't they make lawsuits? -- 'Everybody's a jerk. You, me, this jerk.' -- Bender Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: make installworld - permission denied
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:53 > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: make installworld - permission denied > > > kern.securelevel? > > kern.securelevel = 0 > Cool, now cat /etc/fstab Regards S. Indian Institute of Information Technology Subhro Sankha Kar Block AQ-13/1, Sector V Salt Lake City PIN 700091 India smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
RE: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dick Davies > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:12 PM > To: FreeBSD Questions > Subject: Re: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java > > > If FreeBSD can get a current binary JRE distributed then it helps > > out those companies that use FreeBSD that have applications like that > > which they are attempting to sell, without bothering the rest of > > us who aren't in this boat. In this case why not make friends with > > them when it costs you nothing? > > I don't think it does cost the Foundation nothing, that's the > trouble. You > spend years jumping through hoops to get the certification (the > only benefit > of which is it pleases the managers) and then they turn round > and make you > do it again. > Hmm - sounds like what Microsoft does. > With this attitude it's hardly suprising they piss some people > off (especially > when the product you're doing all this for is pretty second rate > when compared > to python or ruby imo)... > Name of the game with commercialized technology which is filled with example after of example of second and 3rd rater products that win the market from 1st rater products merely because their marketing is better. Let's see, in automotive we have lap&shoulder belts vs 5 point harnesses, or for that matter airbags vs seatbelts, in television we have Betamax vs VHS, in computing we have Windows vs Mac, NT vs OS/2, Linux vs FreeBSD ... ;-) Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
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IPFW is initialized without any setup in the rc.conf file??? I was used the mini-install... it's automaticaly enable after installation?? TIA Mrachik. koub. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: make installworld - permission denied
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Re: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java
* Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [0157 06:57]: > > Tom Vilot writes: > > I tend to agree. Are people still using Java? > Keep in mind that Sun's main Java push was into micro-code for embedded > devices, that is why Java was written in the first place. And somehow this mutated into J2EE :D > . On the corporate side of the house, people sometimes > are forced to use tools that some salesmanager or CEO has decided > need to be used, and if they don't like that their jobs are outsourced > to India. The phrase 'Java is the COBOL of the nineties' springs to mind > If FreeBSD can get a current binary JRE distributed then it helps > out those companies that use FreeBSD that have applications like that > which they are attempting to sell, without bothering the rest of > us who aren't in this boat. In this case why not make friends with > them when it costs you nothing? I don't think it does cost the Foundation nothing, that's the trouble. You spend years jumping through hoops to get the certification (the only benefit of which is it pleases the managers) and then they turn round and make you do it again. With this attitude it's hardly suprising they piss some people off (especially when the product you're doing all this for is pretty second rate when compared to python or ruby imo)... -- 'Yeah, well I'm gonna build my own themepark! With blackjack aaand Hookers! Actually, forget the park. And the blackjack.' -- Bender Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 4:17 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD > > > In a message dated 1/4/05 11:50:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > None of the new Supermicro hardware I've tried works with Freebsd > > 4.10 properly. I've seen that this has been reported by others. > > They are all based on the 7520 and 7530 Intel chips. 5.3 works > > ok, but a 3.4/800 processor on 5.3 is slower than a 3.06/533 > > processor on our old 7502 chipset based system with 4.9. What can > > be done? > > >Donate one of the systems to a FreeBSD kernel developer. > > > >Ted > > Do you really have no contacts at SM or Dell? What kind of a development > org has no contacts with major vendors? It's not a question of not having contacts. It's a question of actually defining the problem in a way that a developer can get a fix on it. Currently, this is done with the PR mechanism on FreeBSD.org. Doing a search of this shows only PR i386/72579, which claims FreeBSD 4.X doesen't work at all on this chipset, which is contrary to what the OP was saying. I would assume if the OP actually read the instructions in the handbook about how to go about filing a good bug report that they might possibly get some assistance. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 5:53 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java > > > Tom Vilot writes: > > TV> I prefer to use just about any other tool (except, of course, for > TV> JSP/.NET, etc). Python, Perl, ... any other tool will do the jobs I > TV> need done and I can avoid the sluggishness of Java, the licensing > TV> ambiguities, and the dependence on a company that is *not* a > TV> software company to begin with! > > I tend to agree. Are people still using Java? Keep in mind that Sun's main Java push was into micro-code for embedded devices, that is why Java was written in the first place. It is only later that they got the idea to play in the PC realm - whereupon they ran up against Microsoft, sparks flew, and Sun got a whole lot of publicity. This is common with companies that Microsoft announces that they hate. ;-) Today there's a lot of commercial software development interest in Java. We don't see this much in Open Source because people tend to use tools on the Open Source side that make sense for the job they are doing. On the corporate side of the house, people sometimes are forced to use tools that some salesmanager or CEO has decided need to be used, and if they don't like that their jobs are outsourced to India. Sun is big and has a lot of money and if your a company that announces you have a Java software item you can get some of that marketing muscle to spill over and help you push your product. If FreeBSD can get a current binary JRE distributed then it helps out those companies that use FreeBSD that have applications like that which they are attempting to sell, without bothering the rest of us who aren't in this boat. In this case why not make friends with them when it costs you nothing? Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Boris > Spirialitious > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:50 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD > > > One system cost me 3 months salary in Russia. Is this how you > treat your users? Why can't your developer use the machine they > used to make 5.3 work? > YOU are not PAYING the FreeBSD developers to develop for your particular SuperMicro motherboard. If you were, then you would have a leg to stand on. Since you are not purchasing FreeBSD, there does NOT exist any kind of implied warranty or fitness for merchantability between the developers and you, and therefore the developers don't owe you anything. > Everyone tell me to use LINUX. Now I know why. You support bad > slow version and not good one. Very stupid people. > Unless you were paying RedHat or another Linux distributor the situation is exactly the same there as well. I would guess that if -I- had one of these motherboards that I would have no problems running FreeBSD on it. So far I've not heard anything specific from anyone on how it works more slowly on SuperMicro boards. For all we know the people seeing it run slow are running beta copies that were compiled with all the debugging code turned on, or they are running the GENERIC kernel instead of custom-compiling their own. I should also point out as well that FreeBSD 5.X is probably going to be slower in any case than FreeBSD 4.X simply because the kernel does more so it's bigger. FreeBSD 4.X was slower than 3.X and 3.X was slower than 2.X, and so on. All of this was because the demand from the userbase is for more and more features to be added into FreeBSD over the years, not fewer and fewer features. And adding more features to software makes it bigger, and bigger code runs slower in general because there's more instructions for the procesor to go through. All of this of course is relative since many parts of FreeBSD 5 are more efficient than 4 - and if your software app happens to use one of those bits a lot, then it's going to run faster. But if your software apps use bits of FreeBSD that in 4.X were already optimal, then you probably won't see a speed increase. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: make installworld - permission denied
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:44 > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: make installworld - permission denied > > Urgh, it was all going so well. I suppose it had to happen: > > I did as the hallowed handbook commanded: > > #make buildworld > #make buildkernel KERNCONF=L004 > #make installkernel > > I rebooted into single user mode: > > #mount -a > #cd /usr/src > #mergemaster -p > #make installworld > (setting of variables omitted, i'm typing from the screen!) > /tmp/install. make -f Makefile.inc1 reinstall > make: Permission denied > > ***Error code 126 > Stop in /usr/src > > ***Error code 1 > Stop in /usr/src > > Any ideas? AFAIK my permissions are still at their defaults. > > Apologies for any major errors I may have unwittingly made, > this is my first buildworld. Please tell me my setup is NOT > ruined, it still had that two-week-old-fresh-install feel to > it and I had everything just how I like it. > > Putting on a brave face. > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > [EMAIL PROTECTED]" sysctl kern.securelevel ? Indian Institute of Information Technology Subhro Sankha Kar Block AQ-13/1, Sector V Salt Lake City PIN 700091 India smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: make installworld - permission denied
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 08:39 pm, Donald J. O'Neill wrote: > On Wednesday 05 January 2005 10:14 pm, Mark wrote: > > Urgh, it was all going so well. I suppose it had to happen: > > > > I did as the hallowed handbook commanded: > > Why aren't you following /usr/src/UPDATING instead, that tends to be > more up to date than the handbook. > > > #make buildworld > > #make buildkernel KERNCONF=L004 > > #make installkernel > > This step should have been: > make installkernel KERNCONF=L004 > > > I rebooted into single user mode: > > Why don't you use "shutdown now" instead, that way your put into > single user mode with things already mounted. Just accept the > standard location of sh, cd into /usr/src and you can finish up. The whole purpose for the boot into single user mode is to test the new kernel before you are fully dedicated to the upgrade. There are rare occasions when the new kernel will panick and you can boot kernel.old really easy and your system will run as if nothing is wrong until you figure out what is broken. Kent > > > #mount -a > > #cd /usr/src > > #mergemaster -p > > #make installworld > > > > > > (setting of variables omitted, i'm typing from the screen!) > > /tmp/install. make -f Makefile.inc1 reinstall > > This is something I don't think I've ever seen. Where does it say to > do this. I think this is a big problem and once more I would suggest > following /usr/src/UPDATING. > > > make: Permission denied > > > > ***Error code 126 > > Stop in /usr/src > > > > ***Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src > > > > Any ideas? AFAIK my permissions are still at their defaults. > > > > Apologies for any major errors I may have unwittingly made, > > this is my first buildworld. Please tell me my setup is NOT > > ruined, it still had that two-week-old-fresh-install feel to > > it and I had everything just how I like it. > > > > Putting on a brave face. > > Final time: use the method in /usr/src/UPDATING. That's why it's > there. > > Don -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Experience with Dell Inspiron 1150 laptop?
Tom Vilot wrote: Eric Schuele wrote: On the other hand... I've switched to an Atheros based miniPCI card which works quite well with 'device ath'. I can give you a link if your interested. I might be interested in one of those. I have a Dell Inspiron 8200. I purchased mine from: http://www.pcdgloabl.com Which as luck would have it is within a mile of my office. So I just drove over there. DO NOTE: They have no return policy, as they prefer to cater to OEMs. But I've been very happy with mine. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" -- Regards, Eric ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: source control question
On 2005-01-06 00:22, Robert William Vesterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >>On 2005-01-05 20:29, Robert William Vesterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>Does anyone know of a source control system that is not so >>>directory-centric? Most of the ones I've seen seem to have a base >>>assumption that, more or less, "directory" == "project". >> >>AFAICT, any version control system that supports 'views' or 'modules' >>can do that. You can put pretty much anything in any place you want >>and then create project based hierarchies of files by pulling parts of >>the repository under the project directory. > > Yes, that's pretty much the concept I'm looking for. Does anyone know > of any such version control systems? If cvs, Subversion, or sccs have > it, I must have missed it. Yes, CVS has modules. The Texinfo documentation is a bit awkward to browse, but if you are interested in finding out how modules can be used to create arbitrary `collections' of files, see: % info '(cvs)' Look for the section titled ``The modules file''. The most interesting part of this is probably the description of the -a option, in the subsection ``Alias modules''. - Giorgos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Experience with Dell Inspiron 1150 laptop?
Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Wednesday, 5 January 2005 at 11:20:31 -0600, Eric Schuele wrote: Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: I'm thinking of buying a Dell Inspiron 1150 laptop. I have a number of Dells, and on the whole I'm happy, but I've had "issues" before. Can anybody who has one of these machines (1150 only, please) tell me good or bad things about it? Have you been able to get the internal wireless card to work? My point is... you may have to use the windows drivers with a wrapper to get it to work. Yes, that was my suspicion as well, and one of the reasons for my question. On the other hand... I've switched to an Atheros based miniPCI card which works quite well with 'device ath'. I can give you a link if your interested. Thanks, but no. I have wireless cards here. I was wondering about the onboard card. I was referring to the internal onboard (miniPCI) card. You could purchase the laptop without one (if that's an option) and then drop in your own. I chose an Atheros based one... but there are Prism based ones floating around as well. So you might dig around and try to find out positively whose card those miniPCI devices are. That's what I'm trying to do, and also (if possible) get more details about how to get them running. I can give you very specific instruction on how I got the 1300 (Broadcom) working with 5.2.1... but I don't think thats what your after. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. -- Regards, Eric ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Kris Kennaway wrote: > You need to instead block Tm[0-9]+ because he likes to change his > address every few weeks [1]. Ah, thanks; filter updated accordingly :-) > [1] Perhaps the counter reflects the number of times his AOL account > has been deleted. Indeed, PS: cable.rogers.com filter now removed; they had a *bad* spamming problem a while back, but now the infected boxes are now more-or-less permanently listed in the various DNSBLs. -- Dave ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: source control question
Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2005-01-05 20:29, Robert William Vesterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anyone know of a source control system that is not so directory-centric? Most of the ones I've seen seem to have a base assumption that, more or less, "directory" == "project". [...] AFAICT, any version control system that supports 'views' or 'modules' can do that. You can put pretty much anything in any place you want and then create project based hierarchies of files by pulling parts of the repository under the project directory. Yes, that's pretty much the concept I'm looking for. Does anyone know of any such version control systems? If cvs, Subversion, or sccs have it, I must have missed it. Thanks, Bob Vesterman. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: grep help RESOLVED
Tillman Hodgson (and others!)wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 08:27:51PM -0800, Jay O'Brien wrote: > >>I want to look at all of the lines in a FreeBSD log file that do not >>have an entry from an IP, example 1.2.3.4. Some basic help with the >>use of grep would be appreciated. This is one of the arguments I've >>tried that didn't work: >> >>grep ^[^1.2.3.4]*$ logfile.log > > > I like `grep -v` for "not" operations. Also note that "." is itself a > special character. > > grep -v 1\.2\.3\.4 logfile.log > > might be closer to what you want. > > -T > > Thank you! The problem I was having was that I completely overlooked the fact that "." needs to be escaped. grep -v 1\.2\.3\.4 logfile.log as you suggested, works fine. I'm looking at an apache access log, and I want to exclude accesses that I made from my IP. Thanks, everyone! Jay ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: make installworld - permission denied
> > #make buildworld > > #make buildkernel KERNCONF=L004 > > #make installkernel > > This step should have been: > make installkernel KERNCONF=L004 Sorry, that was a typo on my part. I did in fact run the command you suggested. > Why don't you use "shutdown now" instead, that way your put into single > user mode with things already mounted. Just accept the standard > location of sh, cd into /usr/src and you can finish up. Is it too late for that d'you think? I'm basically moving from 5.3 RELEASE-p2 to p3, will my userland be stable enough to start afresh? > > #mount -a > > #cd /usr/src > > #mergemaster -p > > #make installworld > > > > (setting of variables omitted, i'm typing from the screen!) > > /tmp/install. make -f Makefile.inc1 reinstall > > This is something I don't think I've ever seen. Where does it say to do > this. I think this is a big problem and once more I would suggest > following /usr/src/UPDATING. I think you may have misunderstood, the /tmp* line is output from the makefile, not a command that I have typed. I have rebooted to clear my head (and /tmp amongst other things) and mounted my partitions (as Joshua suggested) but I still get the same 'permission denied' error. Upon re-checking /usr/src/UPDATING, I've confirmed that it describes the process I am performing to the letter. I'm at a loss currently. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 03:48:05PM +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Scott Bennett wrote: > > > Ah. So the troll didn't really expect *anybody* reasonably to > > have provided support. It just wanted something to bitch about on this > > list. It should go back to the bit bucket it came from. > > Procmail is your friend. Something like: > > # > # Well-known AOL troll on FreeBSD. > # > :0: > * ^From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You need to instead block Tm[0-9]+ because he likes to change his address every few weeks [1]. Kris [1] Perhaps the counter reflects the number of times his AOL account has been deleted. pgptypUANWmgX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Scott Bennett wrote: > Ah. So the troll didn't really expect *anybody* reasonably to > have provided support. It just wanted something to bitch about on this > list. It should go back to the bit bucket it came from. Procmail is your friend. Something like: # # Well-known AOL troll on FreeBSD. # :0: * ^From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null (Quoted from memory. Usual disclaimers. Worth precisely what you paid for it. Contents may settle during delivery. May contain sharp objects or traces of peanuts. Etc.) -- Dave ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: grep help
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:31:54 -0600, Tillman Hodgson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 08:27:51PM -0800, Jay O'Brien wrote: > > I want to look at all of the lines in a FreeBSD log file that do not > > have an entry from an IP, example 1.2.3.4. Some basic help with the > > use of grep would be appreciated. This is one of the arguments I've > > tried that didn't work: > > > > grep ^[^1.2.3.4]*$ logfile.log > > I like `grep -v` for "not" operations. Also note that "." is itself a > special character. > > grep -v 1\.2\.3\.4 logfile.log > > might be closer to what you want. > > -T > > -- > "'Way back, I set myself to be a happy man, and made it." > -- Louis Armstrong > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > grep "1.2.3.4" logifle.log works for me (unless you were trying to pull all IPs in the form of a.b.c.d ?) -Aaron ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: grep help
> grep ^[^1.2.3.4]*$ logfile.log to not match, use: grep -v 1.2.3.4 logfile.log -v, --invert-match Invert the sense of matching, to select non-matching lines. when there are multiple patterns you don't want to see, try: egrep -v '1.2.3.4|5.6.7.8' logfile.log joe ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: grep help
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005, Tillman Hodgson wrote: >On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 08:27:51PM -0800, Jay O'Brien wrote: >> I want to look at all of the lines in a FreeBSD log file that do not >> have an entry from an IP, example 1.2.3.4. Some basic help with the >> use of grep would be appreciated. This is one of the arguments I've >> tried that didn't work: >> >> grep ^[^1.2.3.4]*$ logfile.log You should probably single quote the pattern at the '^' character is an archaic synonym for the pipe symbol, and the * may be expanded by the shell. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Systems, Inc. UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Many citizens because of their respect for what only appears to be a law are cunningly coerced into waiving their rights due to ignorance.'' -- U.S. v. Minker ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: make installworld - permission denied
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:14:13 -0800, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Urgh, it was all going so well. I suppose it had to happen: > > I did as the hallowed handbook commanded: > > #make buildworld > #make buildkernel KERNCONF=L004 > #make installkernel > > I rebooted into single user mode: > > #mount -a > #cd /usr/src > #mergemaster -p > #make installworld > (setting of variables omitted, i'm typing from the screen!) > /tmp/install. make -f Makefile.inc1 reinstall > make: Permission denied > > ***Error code 126 > Stop in /usr/src > > ***Error code 1 > Stop in /usr/src After you boot into single-user mode, you should do: # fsck -p # mount -u / ^^^ to remount / read-write # mount -a -tufs ... ... HTH, -- Joshua Lokken Open Source Advocate ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: make installworld - permission denied
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 10:14 pm, Mark wrote: > Urgh, it was all going so well. I suppose it had to happen: > > I did as the hallowed handbook commanded: Why aren't you following /usr/src/UPDATING instead, that tends to be more up to date than the handbook. > > #make buildworld > #make buildkernel KERNCONF=L004 > #make installkernel This step should have been: make installkernel KERNCONF=L004 > > I rebooted into single user mode: Why don't you use "shutdown now" instead, that way your put into single user mode with things already mounted. Just accept the standard location of sh, cd into /usr/src and you can finish up. > > #mount -a > #cd /usr/src > #mergemaster -p > #make installworld > (setting of variables omitted, i'm typing from the screen!) > /tmp/install. make -f Makefile.inc1 reinstall This is something I don't think I've ever seen. Where does it say to do this. I think this is a big problem and once more I would suggest following /usr/src/UPDATING. > make: Permission denied > > ***Error code 126 > Stop in /usr/src > > ***Error code 1 > Stop in /usr/src > > Any ideas? AFAIK my permissions are still at their defaults. > > Apologies for any major errors I may have unwittingly made, > this is my first buildworld. Please tell me my setup is NOT > ruined, it still had that two-week-old-fresh-install feel to > it and I had everything just how I like it. > > Putting on a brave face. Final time: use the method in /usr/src/UPDATING. That's why it's there. Don -- Donald J. O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: grep help
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 08:27:51PM -0800, Jay O'Brien wrote: > I want to look at all of the lines in a FreeBSD log file that do not > have an entry from an IP, example 1.2.3.4. Some basic help with the > use of grep would be appreciated. This is one of the arguments I've > tried that didn't work: > > grep ^[^1.2.3.4]*$ logfile.log I like `grep -v` for "not" operations. Also note that "." is itself a special character. grep -v 1\.2\.3\.4 logfile.log might be closer to what you want. -T -- "'Way back, I set myself to be a happy man, and made it." -- Louis Armstrong ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
grep help
I want to look at all of the lines in a FreeBSD log file that do not have an entry from an IP, example 1.2.3.4. Some basic help with the use of grep would be appreciated. This is one of the arguments I've tried that didn't work: grep ^[^1.2.3.4]*$ logfile.log Jay O'Brien Rio Linda, California USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
make installworld - permission denied
Urgh, it was all going so well. I suppose it had to happen: I did as the hallowed handbook commanded: #make buildworld #make buildkernel KERNCONF=L004 #make installkernel I rebooted into single user mode: #mount -a #cd /usr/src #mergemaster -p #make installworld (setting of variables omitted, i'm typing from the screen!) /tmp/install. make -f Makefile.inc1 reinstall make: Permission denied ***Error code 126 Stop in /usr/src ***Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src Any ideas? AFAIK my permissions are still at their defaults. Apologies for any major errors I may have unwittingly made, this is my first buildworld. Please tell me my setup is NOT ruined, it still had that two-week-old-fresh-install feel to it and I had everything just how I like it. Putting on a brave face. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Epson Stylus C84 printer setup
At Wed, 5 Jan 2005 it looks like Miguel Mendez composed: > On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:10:46 -0800 > "Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > A bit OT but wanted to throw my $0.02 anyway... > > > CUPS is unnecessary. unnecessary software complicates the machine > > and makes it harder to troubleshoot. I don't personally care much > > for this. > > I don't understand where all this animosity against CUPS comes from, but > it's not the first time I've seen people flaming against it. If you > don't like it, don't use it. CUPS is very easy to troubleshoot, perhaps > you didn't bother reading the man pages. Enable debugging log mode and > read the logs, all the info is there. > > Setting up my USB laserprinter takes 10 seconds with CUPS. Drop the ppd > file, point the browser at localhost:631 and configure the printer. > Done. The computer is a tool to get the job done, and most people have > better things to do than spend more time than needed setting up their > printer. It's also worth mentioning that Samba 3.x and CUPS integreate > seamlessly. I must chime in here. I was bragging about how, on the first try, I got CUPS to print with "Solaris-8 (x86)" from my Netscape browser. I don't want to start a flame war but anyone who's tried to get "ink jet" printers to work _first_try_ on Solaris(x86) will probably be nodding their heads in agreement. NOW, I also totally concur with KIS[s] and the reasons for not getting too heavy into overhead. Hell, I still prefer PINE as my MUA just because it was the first one I ever used on Unix. Namaste -- |<--"Word-Wrap-At-72-Please"-->| Bill Schoolcraft PO Box 210076 -o) San Francisco CA 94121 /\ "UNIX, A Way Of Life."_\_v http://billschoolcraft.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Uptime?
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 07:31:19PM -0800, Mark wrote: > I realise this may be the wrong list to post to, but it *is* > a question and it *is* about FreeBSD... :) > > http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html > > So, we know BSD is capable of stupidly high uptime, but what > I'd like to know is how? I mean, we all have to patch things > now and again, recompile kernels etc. Does this mean these > sites are running thousand-day-old unpatched kernels, or is > there some black magic going on that I don't know about? The former, mostly. Kris pgpctZAhFQRji.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Uptime?
Mark wrote: So, we know BSD is capable of stupidly high uptime, but what I'd like to know is how? I mean, we all have to patch things now and again, recompile kernels etc. Does this mean these sites are running thousand-day-old unpatched kernels,... Yep!! (AFAIK) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: iTunes server SUCCESS!! Here are my notes
You are welcome! The script seems to be a little dated. Entry
20041010 in /usr/src/UPDATING says you don't need KEYWORD: FreeBSD, and
I think there are some other updates to the format too. The old ones
will continue to be supported for now.
On 01/04/05 13:49:18, Timothy Luoma wrote:
This outlines some extra steps I had to take to setup an iTunes
server in FreeBSD 5.3
I followed the instructions at
http://home.introweb.nl/~dodger/itunesserver.html
There are a few notes (I suspect those instructions are a bit old/
outdated in a few places):
ORIGINAL TEXT:
"Now you'll have to download Rendezvous.tar.gz from Apple. Go to
http://www.opensource.apple.com/projects/rendezvous/source/Rendezvous.tar.gz,
register and download the file to the directory /usr/ports/distfiles.
After doing this, go back to /usr/ports/net/rendezvous (if needed)
and type:"
CORRECTION:
Rendezvous is now found at /usr/ports/net/p5-Net-Rendezvous
[Thanks to Jason Henson for pointing this out to me]
NEW #1: /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mDNSResponder.sh didn't exist, so I
copied it from /usr/ports/net/mDNSResponder/files/mDNSResponder.sh.
Then I had to manually edit the file. Mine now looks like this:
#!/bin/sh
# PROVIDE: mDNSResponder
# REQUIRE: NETWORKING
# KEYWORD: FreeBSD
. /etc/rc.subr
name=mDNSResponder
rcvar=`set_rcvar`
# CHANGE THIS to wherever it is installed
# It used to be installed to /usr/local/sbin/
command=/usr/local/bin/mDNSResponder
# DON'T change this here. Change it in /etc/rc.conf
mDNSResponder_enable=${mDNSResponder_enable:-"NO"}
# OLD: These flags no longer seem to work (2005-01-04)
#mDNSResponder_flags=${mDNSResponder_flags:-"-b -n `/bin/hostname -
s`"}
pidfile="/var/run/mDNSResponder.pid"
load_rc_config $name
run_rc_command "$1"
#EOF
NEW #2:
I added these lines to /etc/rc.conf:
daapd_enable="YES"
mDNSResponder_enable="YES"
FYI: here are the config files as I have them
$ cat /usr/local/etc/mDNSResponder.conf
FreeBSD iTunes server
_daap._tcp.
3689
$ cat /usr/local/etc/daapd.conf
Port3689
ServerName daapd server
DBName FreeBSD iTunes server
Password
Root/usr/home/itunes
Cache
Timescan2
RescanInterval 0
NOTE: I had to restart the FreeBSD system to get it to show up in
iTunes. Doesn't seem like it ought to be necessary, but it was for
me.
I think those were all the steps I had to take.
I hope this will help anyone else who is trying to do the same.
TjL
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Uptime?
I realise this may be the wrong list to post to, but it *is* a question and it *is* about FreeBSD... :) http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html So, we know BSD is capable of stupidly high uptime, but what I'd like to know is how? I mean, we all have to patch things now and again, recompile kernels etc. Does this mean these sites are running thousand-day-old unpatched kernels, or is there some black magic going on that I don't know about? I await your theories... :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: 3ware Esclade 7006-2
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:01:31 -0700, in sentex.lists.freebsd.questions you wrote: > >I have downloaded the CLI util and the 3dm2 web interface from 3ware.com and >have been trouble getting them to work. Its not totally obvious, but to connect to the 3dmd2, you need to talk to it via https, not http. So if you have it on the default port of 888, try https://127.0.0.1 and not http://127.0.0.1 > >My question is mainly on the driver though. Which should I use? The 3ware folk keep the driver in the source tree up to date. So use it, not the one from the website. ---Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: source control question
On 2005-01-05 20:29, Robert William Vesterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone know of a source control system that is not so > directory-centric? Most of the ones I've seen seem to have a base > assumption that, more or less, "directory" == "project". > > But in reality, a directory could be a project, or part of a > project, or part of many projects, or merely structural > [...] > I'm sure there are ways to bend things like Subversion into kind of > behaving the way I want, but are there any systems that are actually > designed with this concept in mind? AFAICT, any version control system that supports 'views' or 'modules' can do that. You can put pretty much anything in any place you want and then create project based hierarchies of files by pulling parts of the repository under the project directory. - Giorgos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: install.cfg disklabel customization question
Good suggestion on using bsdlabel. Unfortunately I am required to use FreeBSD 4.6.2 which does not contain this utility and disklabel requires one to invoke an editor to define the new label. What I resorted to doing was having netboot create /usr100 and then later overwrite the /etc/fstab via an installation package that sets noauto for the label. Curtis On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:38:19 +, Matthew Seaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Curtis Almond wrote: > > > Anyone know how to make /usr100 not mounted at boot time? > > Edit /etc/fstab and add the 'noauto' flag to the appropriate line. > Something like this: > > /dev/ad0s2f /usr100 ufs rw,noauto 2 2 > > > Or even better > > How can I create the ad0s2-4 (ad0s2f after boot) label but have > > sysinstall not newfs it during netboot? > > You shouldn't need to recreate the disk or partition labels every time > you reboot, unless you are wiping and re-installing most of the disk > each time. > > If you're using sysinstall(8) to do an automatic install as part of your > netboot process, then as far as I can tell, there's no way using the > scripted interface to tell it to create a UFS partition but not newfs or > mount it -- although that's easy enough using sysinstall interactively. > > I'd be thinking more along the lines of ditching sysinstall(8) entirely > for that purpose and using fdisk(8), bsdlabel(8) and newfs(8) directly. > >Cheers, > >Matthew > > -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 8 Dane Court Manor > School Rd > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Tilmanstone > Tel: +44 1304 617253 Kent, CT14 0JL UK > > > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
4.10 USB problems
I've been using 4.10 and the EHCI driver, for an external hard drive, for several months and just recently a USB-related problem has started. When the drive is plugged in it is properly recognized by umass, etc. However, attempting to mount the drive results in "/kernel: umass0: BBB reset failed, TIMEOUT" being logged to dmesg, and "mount: /dev/da0s1e: Device not configured" Someone suggested that perhaps the problem is having both ehci and uhci in the kernel. This seemed unlikely, since they've both been there all along and it worked. But I was wondering about the need for both the UHCI driver and the EHCI driver. (see dmesg output below) On my system, the startup shows usb0 through usb3 as being uhci, and usb4 as uhci. I think it also shows usb0-3 being grabbed be EHCI, am I reading that right? Still, I have had to run usbd with "-f /dev/usb4" for it to notice the hard drives when they're attached. FWIW, The usbd.conf is the standard-issue one. Is it possible that some USB ports are being grabbed by UHCI and some are being grabbed by EHCI? Would rebuilding the kernel without UHCI cause all of the ports to be EHCI? The ports and harddrives are all USB2 anyway, so USB1 compatibility is not necessary. uhci0: port 0xff80-0xff9f irq 11 at device 29.0 on pci0 usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: port 0xff60-0xff7f irq 10 at device 29.1 on pci0 usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci2: port 0xff40-0xff5f irq 9 at device 29.2 on pci0 usb2: on uhci2 usb2: USB revision 1.0 uhub2: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci3: port 0xff20-0xff3f irq 11 at device 29.3 on pci0 usb3: on uhci3 usb3: USB revision 1.0 uhub3: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ehci0: mem 0xffa80800-0xffa80bff irq 5 at device 29.7 on pci0 ehci_pci_attach: companion usb0 ehci_pci_attach: companion usb1 ehci_pci_attach: companion usb2 ehci_pci_attach: companion usb3 usb4: EHCI version 1.0 usb4: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb0 usb1 usb2 usb3 usb4: on ehci0 usb4: USB revision 2.0 uhub4: (0x8086) EHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub4: 8 ports with 8 removable, self powered __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: System update
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 08:55:27AM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: > > Where does it say that? I see only comments in passing about 'make > > world', but the explicit directions on how to update (correctly) > > mention the separate buildworld/installworld steps. > > Around line 490 of /usr/src/UPDATING (version 4.10-p5) it reads: > > To rebuild everything > - > make world > > Except when it doesn't work :-) OK, turns out the copy in my allegedly RELENG_4 tree was from HEAD. The above is strictly true, but not helpful since it doesn't tell you when it doesn't work. For the full guaranteed-to-work instructions, read the section a few lines down about updating "from 4.0-RELEASE or later to the most current 4.x-STABLE". Kris pgpqdfjhwn6c6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: error in burning v5.3 disc 2.iso
John W Ward II wrote: I can burn the other downloads but disc2.iso freezes up the system and won't respond. I have a PIII 1ghz w/512 ram, XPPro and Nero v5 software. I have never had a problem burning an iso before and even downloaded the file three times and twice from different ftp sites. Can you help? Thanks, John Ward disc2 contains a live filesystem, including the ports tree. There are literally 10's of thousands of files - on my Athlon 64 3200+ it took well over 15 minutes for Nero to collate the directories before it started burning. Have patience ... Rowdy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: error in burning v5.3 disc 2.iso
> I can burn the other downloads but disc2.iso freezes up the system and won't > respond. I have a PIII 1ghz w/512 ram, XPPro and Nero v5 software. I have I was currently facing the problem. It seems that it takes some time to ingest all the information in the disc2.iso image before it starts burning. But I let it run on another machines and it finally completed. Olivier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java
Anthony Atkielski wrote: I tend to agree. Are people still using Java? Yeah, I think so . strange as it seems to me. Perl seems to do just about everything. Agreed. OTOH, Perl is quite idiomatic, and that can be a real hurdle. Plus, there are so *many* ways to do things in Perl, that it can be easy to write what another programmer would consider opaque, impenetrable code. Python seems to be a nice intermediary. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: System update
> Where does it say that? I see only comments in passing about 'make > world', but the explicit directions on how to update (correctly) > mention the separate buildworld/installworld steps. Around line 490 of /usr/src/UPDATING (version 4.10-p5) it reads: To rebuild everything - make world Except when it doesn't work :-) Olivier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: burning 5.3-RELEASE CDs
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 06:35:43PM -0600, Scott Bennett wrote: > On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:37:41 -0700 Danny MacMillan > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 10:13:56PM -0600, Scott Bennett wrote: > >> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:21:06 -0500 Parv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> >in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > >> >wrote Scott Bennett thusly... > >> >> > >> >> I've downloaded the following ISO image files: > >> >> > >> >> 5.3-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso > >> >> 5.3-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso > >> >> 5.3-RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso > >> >> > >> >> I've also tried burning the first file to CD-Rs using Windows > >> >> XP Home's own facilities and using Sonic RecordNow! under said > >> >> system, but did not get bootable CDs either way. > >> > > >> >First time i tried the software of same name unknown version (IBM > >> >ThinkPad T42, Windows XP Professional), i selected "Data Disc" > >> >and chose the ISO image. Well, it did do its job: i got the ISO > >> >image /file/ on the CD. > >> > > >> >After more poking around in the software interface, "Burn Image" > >> >or some such option was revealed under the heading of "Data Disc" > >> >or some such. And, that too did its job: i got the mini install > >> >ISO image on CD to boot with. > >> > > >> Thanks for the suggestion. I've now gone back and found the > >> little green button in Sonic RecordNow! for making a bootable CD. > >> I then tried it with each of the first two files noted above. The > >> CDs written via the green button do get a little farther than > >> before. In the earlier case, the machine barely glanced at the CD > >> before deciding to boot from the hard drive after all. The green > >> button CDs, instead, run far enough to display a message in the > >> upper left corner of the screen that says, "Missing operating > >> system", and then hang. > > > >This is not intuitive, but you do not want to use the "make a > >bootable CD" function of Sonic RecordNow! to make a bootable CD. > > On what basis is the above statement made if you haven't used > Sonic RecordNow! ? It certainly looks to me as though the green > button is the *only* way to burn an image (not counting making an > exact copy of On the basis of your characterizing the little green button as being "for making a bootable CD", and my understanding of that function in alternative software. In short: I misunderstood. I apologize for the misdirection. -- Danny ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
error in burning v5.3 disc 2.iso
I can burn the other downloads but disc2.iso freezes up the system and won't respond. I have a PIII 1ghz w/512 ram, XPPro and Nero v5 software. I have never had a problem burning an iso before and even downloaded the file three times and twice from different ftp sites. Can you help? Thanks, John Ward ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java
Tom Vilot writes: TV> I prefer to use just about any other tool (except, of course, for TV> JSP/.NET, etc). Python, Perl, ... any other tool will do the jobs I TV> need done and I can avoid the sluggishness of Java, the licensing TV> ambiguities, and the dependence on a company that is *not* a TV> software company to begin with! I tend to agree. Are people still using Java? Perl seems to do just about everything. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: System update
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 08:34:22AM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: > Hi, > > I have serveral questions about the update procedure. > > 1) starting from 4.10 RELEASE I have cvsup-ed to 4.10 RELENG. Now what > is the command to build FreeBSD? > > The hand book says "do not use make world, but use make buildworld", > and look at /usr/src/UPDATING first. But in /usr/src/UPDATING it is > said to use "make world" so I am confused. Where does it say that? I see only comments in passing about 'make world', but the explicit directions on how to update (correctly) mention the separate buildworld/installworld steps. Kris pgpNh1FSbbZwu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Running top on system console without being logged on
> How about creating a user like this with vipw: > topper::userno:groupno::0:0:Topper Harley:/nonexistent:/usr/bin/top > and then just logging in on spare console screen as topper? > > I'm not sure if there are security implications though, even if the user > is not member of the wheel group etc. I've considered this, but like you, I'm not sure of the security implications, so I haven't actually done it. And is it possible to include command-line options in the login shell command for a user? -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
System update
Hi, I have serveral questions about the update procedure. 1) starting from 4.10 RELEASE I have cvsup-ed to 4.10 RELENG. Now what is the command to build FreeBSD? The hand book says "do not use make world, but use make buildworld", and look at /usr/src/UPDATING first. But in /usr/src/UPDATING it is said to use "make world" so I am confused. 2) starting from 4.9 RELEASE, can I cvsup to 4.10 RELENG and build FreeBSD the same way? 3) starting from 4.7 RELEASE? 4) I have a mail server running sendmail with a very customised configuration. So far I have compiled/installed my own copy of sendmail. If i update the system, it will re-install a standardized sendmail. Now if I want the update procedure to regenerate a customised sendmail, where in FreeBSD sendmail heirarchy should I put my own cf/cf/sendmail.mc and devtools/Site/site.config.m4 ? Best regards, Olivier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
source control question
Does anyone know of a source control system that is not so directory-centric? Most of the ones I've seen seem to have a base assumption that, more or less, "directory" == "project". But in reality, a directory could be a project, or part of a project, or part of many projects, or merely structural (i.e. merely to organize subdirectories, any of which may or may not be used in any number of projects, each project of which is not necessarily completely contained in the structural parent directory). And a project may span many directories, each of which is not necessarily anywhere near the others in the overall repository tree structure, and whose repository tree "neighbors" are not necessarily parts of the same project. For example, you may have top level repository things like "work" and "personal", which are completely structural. And maybe "utils", which you might use in both work and personal projects. And then if you use some Java, and do the standard way of making packages (com.mydomain.blah.blah.blah), you'll probably have a "java" directory outside of "work" and "personal", having a whole tree of subdirectories, any of which may be a complete project, part of a project, part of many projects, et cetera. And a project may be spread across "personal" and "java" and "utils" and any number of other organizational things. I'm sure there are ways to bend things like Subversion into kind of behaving the way I want, but are there any systems that are actually designed with this concept in mind? Thanks, BOb Vesterman. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:58:53 EST the latest troll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> blathered: >In a message dated 1/5/05 4:03:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >> Besides ... with a name like hardcodeharry, I would expect a little more >> intelligence; a little more willingness to dig into things. A slight >> tendency to ask the question: "how can I hack this code to work, and how >> would I contribute those modifications to the BSD team?" > > >You obviously speak from your armpit, because to do the kind of work Still in the Dark Ages, eh? Even after all the gentle tutelage posted in response to the childishly, foolishly insulting prior postings...tsk, tsk. >to support the O/S at the chipset level is beyond the reasonable expectations >of even the most talented of programmers. The learning curve to be able Ah. So the troll didn't really expect *anybody* reasonably to have provided support. It just wanted something to bitch about on this list. It should go back to the bit bucket it came from. >to understand the basic code is exceptionally steep. Thats why there are >maintainers, becuase what takes him an hour would take someone else >weeks. > [more tutelage and some Trollish ravings deleted --SB] >They force their customer base to use the slothy thing, because modern Apparently, the troll still hasn't fathomed that the developers have no customer base because they don't sell the software. That's why it's called FreeBSD though that probably wouldn't matter to a troll even if it could understand it. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Experience with Dell Inspiron 1150 laptop?
Eric Schuele wrote: On the other hand... I've switched to an Atheros based miniPCI card which works quite well with 'device ath'. I can give you a link if your interested. I might be interested in one of those. I have a Dell Inspiron 8200. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
Jerry McAllister wrote: Yes, and his holy mission seems to be to waste people's time and energy trying to draw attention to himself without making any contribution of value to the community. Less than two months ago, vastly excessive amounts of bandwidth and delete effort were wasted in this list on this creature. I fear insulting the good name of troll in this case. Can we NOT fall back in to that sinkhole and just ignore the trash. Okay, I'm with you Jerry. My apologies to the group for wasting bandwidth on this silly person. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: New FreeBSD 5.3 e-mail server extremely slow - traced to getpwnam maybe ?
Quoting Bruce Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > ... > Well, somewhat unbelievably, copying a getpwent.c from 4.7 > and remaking libc on 5.3 with it worked. Load average > has gone from 70 to 2. > One of my co-workers has found a less kludgey workaround for the high load problem we were seeing on 5.3 with large /etc/master.passwd, as follows: --- /etc/nsswitch.conf.old Wed Jan 5 19:23:24 2005 +++ /etc/nsswitch.conf Wed Jan 5 19:23:43 2005 @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ -group: compat +group: files group_compat: nis hosts: files dns networks: files -passwd: compat +passwd: files passwd_compat: nis shells: files System is purring with load average under 1 now, 200,000 pop/imap sessions per day and 200,000 e-mails per day, all spamassassinated. For more details and ongoing followup, see: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=75855 -- Bruce Campbell Engineering Computing CPH-2374B University of Waterloo (519)888-4567 ext 5889 This mail sent through www.mywaterloo.ca ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Experience with Dell Inspiron 1150 laptop?
On Wednesday, 5 January 2005 at 11:20:31 -0600, Eric Schuele wrote: > Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> I'm thinking of buying a Dell Inspiron 1150 laptop. I have a number >> of Dells, and on the whole I'm happy, but I've had "issues" before. >> Can anybody who has one of these machines (1150 only, please) tell me >> good or bad things about it? Have you been able to get the internal >> wireless card to work? > > My point is... you may have to use the windows drivers with a wrapper to > get it to work. Yes, that was my suspicion as well, and one of the reasons for my question. > On the other hand... I've switched to an Atheros based miniPCI card > which works quite well with 'device ath'. I can give you a link if > your interested. Thanks, but no. I have wireless cards here. I was wondering about the onboard card. > So you might dig around and try to find out positively whose card > those miniPCI devices are. That's what I'm trying to do, and also (if possible) get more details about how to get them running. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. pgpY7KMsonFdJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Your point might have some teeth if the "newer" version were better, but the entire problem is that 5.x is much worse than 4.x, so there lies the issue. 4.10 is NOT supposed to be an "old" version. Its the production version. Because its readily admitted that 5.x is not yet ready for prime time by those in the know. And its not properly suppored. Thats strange, http://www.freebsd.org says 5.3 is the Production release and 4.10 is the (legacy) production release I guess they just dont teach you words like "legacy" in troll school. The truth is that you are in awe of a "team" that has done a terrible job of transitioning to a new version, who can't get the new version to perform at close to the levels of the previous version after several years, and who have time and time again failed to meet their promised performance targets. They force their customer base to use the slothy thing, because modern motherboards and comm cards dont work in 4.x. And you stand and cheer them. Like a bunch of blind men cheering the one-eyed fool. If they've done such a bad job, why not contribute something other than useless rants on the lists? And what customer base? I dont think the FreeBSD Foundation is trying to "sell" their product. and who says all modern/new cards are supported in 4.x, I've used several new devices on 4.x without problems. Why dont you just install windows and be happy with your OS that "just works". Regards, Frank Laszlo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: burning 5.3-RELEASE CDs
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:37:41 -0700 Danny MacMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 10:13:56PM -0600, Scott Bennett wrote: >> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:21:06 -0500 Parv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >> >wrote Scott Bennett thusly... >> >> >> >> I've downloaded the following ISO image files: >> >> >> >> 5.3-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso >> >> 5.3-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso >> >> 5.3-RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso >> >> >> >> I've also tried burning the first file to CD-Rs using Windows XP >> >> Home's own facilities and using Sonic RecordNow! under said >> >> system, but did not get bootable CDs either way. >> > >> >First time i tried the software of same name unknown version (IBM >> >ThinkPad T42, Windows XP Professional), i selected "Data Disc" and >> >chose the ISO image. Well, it did do its job: i got the ISO image >> >/file/ on the CD. >> > >> >After more poking around in the software interface, "Burn Image" or >> >some such option was revealed under the heading of "Data Disc" or >> >some such. And, that too did its job: i got the mini install ISO >> >image on CD to boot with. >> > >> Thanks for the suggestion. I've now gone back and found the >> little green button in Sonic RecordNow! for making a bootable CD. I >> then tried it with each of the first two files noted above. The CDs >> written via the green button do get a little farther than before. >> In the earlier case, the machine barely glanced at the CD before >> deciding to boot from the hard drive after all. The green button >> CDs, instead, run far enough to display a message in the upper left >> corner of the screen that says, "Missing operating system", and then >> hang. > >This is not intuitive, but you do not want to use the "make a bootable >CD" function of Sonic RecordNow! to make a bootable CD. The ISO files On what basis is the above statement made if you haven't used Sonic RecordNow! ? It certainly looks to me as though the green button is the *only* way to burn an image (not counting making an exact copy of an existing CD, of course). When the green button is used, one can then use a small file browser panel to select an image file to be burned. The files displayed by default are of the following suffixes/types: .img, .bin, and .ima. One can select a display of "All files" in the chosen directory instead, which is what I did in order to be able to see and choose the .iso files in question. As Robin Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted here, the version of Sonic RecordNow! distributed by Dell apparently does not know how to handle ISO 9660 image files, at least not if they're identified by file name suffix of .iso (see earlier remarks about file browser panel). Feh. >you downloaded are disc images that are already bootable. If you burn >a faithful reproduction of the image onto a CD, the CD will be >bootable. The way to do that is to burn the image to disc as an >image, not as a file. Most CD burning software have an option like Well, I was attempting to find a way to do that, thus my original posting. >"burn image to disc". For example, Nero Burning ROM SE has this >functionality in the Recorder menu under "Burn Image...". I haven't >ever used Sonic RecordNow! so I don't know where the option is (or See remarks above. Also, I don't have Nero, etc. I was hoping to invest as little as possible into software for Microslop's OS and to have a usable FreeBSD system about a month ago. :-( Unfortunately, neither my graphics card nor my wireless card has support under 5.2.1. 5.3 allegedly will allow me to attempt to borrow the wireless driver from Windows XP for use under FreeBSD (via NDIS). The most recent XFree86 and X.org versions of X11R6 are alleged to have simple drivers for the graphics card (but probably with no 3D acceleration :-( ), though it isn't clear to me yet whether the 5.3 kernel supports the communication with the card. And, to protect what I am stuck using in the meantime, I bought a disk backup package that doesn't work right and is falsely advertised by Symantec as being supported, namely, Norton Ghost 9.0. Grumble, hiss, grumble, grumble... I'm beginning to think that software developers who develop applications for Microslop's OS automatically suffer brain damage in the process. >even if it has one, though Parv's comments above would suggest that it >does). If it doesn't, you are going to need to use some other >software because burning the image to disc is the only way you will >get the outcome you want. > It appears that I have found a way to do it with burncd under 5.2.1. I'll reply later to the article that gave me the tip to get it to work, and I'll describe the peculiar, new-but-not-show-stopping problem encountered along the way. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs
Re: Powering down FreeBSD 5
Forrest Aldrich wrote: Can FreeBSD be configured to actually power off the machine, rather than sit with "Press any key to reboot". We're redeploying some servers, and we'd like them to be powered on individually, not powered up upon plug-in to the power cable. Do you have ACPI compiled into your kernel? -- -- Skylar Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- http://www.cs.earlham.edu/~skylar/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 04:02 pm, Tom Vilot wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >so why are you even trying? > > Why are you on this list? > > This is a questions list. Not an advocacy list, not a "BSD SUX" list. > > Why are you here? > > I wish I could be as arrogant and condescending as you, but clearly > you were born with an advantage in that arena. > Have u never heard of aol'ers? They've been the scourge of the internet for years. I'm surprised one of 'em found their way into this FreeBSD list, broken filter maybe? ;) -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
> > > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 05:02:23PM -0700, Tom Vilot wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >=20 > > >so why are you even trying?=20 > > > > >=20 > > Why are you on this list? > >=20 > > This is a questions list. Not an advocacy list, not a "BSD SUX" list. > >=20 > > Why are you here? > >=20 > > I wish I could be as arrogant and condescending as you, but clearly you= > =20 > > were born with an advantage in that arena. > > He has a Holy Mission. Yes, and his holy mission seems to be to waste people's time and energy trying to draw attention to himself without making any contribution of value to the community. Less than two months ago, vastly excessive amounts of bandwidth and delete effort were wasted in this list on this creature. I fear insulting the good name of troll in this case. Can we NOT fall back in to that sinkhole and just ignore the trash. jerry > > Kris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 07:20:06PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 1/5/05 7:16:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Why are you here? > > > > I wish I could be as arrogant and condescending as you, but clearly you > > were born with an advantage in that are > > He has a Holy Mission. > Yes, a mission to get the FreeBSD team to support 4.10 until they can get > 5.x working properly. Whats not reasonable about that? That you think "being an unbearable asshole" is an appropriate way to go about it. Kris pgp7jfjBdiVGu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
In a message dated 1/5/05 7:16:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Why are you here? > > I wish I could be as arrogant and condescending as you, but clearly you > were born with an advantage in that are He has a Holy Mission. Yes, a mission to get the FreeBSD team to support 4.10 until they can get 5.x working properly. Whats not reasonable about that? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
tcsh, colorful prompt
Hello.. I have set up a colorful prompt for tcsh. It ends in default color so that whatever I type after it has default color. I dont really care for the color of the prompt, but I would like to see what i type (input) with a specific color. If I end the prompt with an open (say) green color, then my command is typed indeed in green but if the output has no color it's all in green (output of ps for example) In short, i would like the color to end upon \n... Any ideas of how to accomplish such a thing?? -- Thanos Tsouanas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> .: Sians http://thanos.sians.org/ .: http://www.sians.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
MySQL
From: Joshua Lokken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:16:40 -0600 Subject: Re: MySQL To: Leon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Questions On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:03:08 -0500, Leon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I have a 5.3 version of FreeBSD. > I want to install MySQL > > Can you please tell me what version of MySQL I should install? > And where can I get installation and configuration instruction? > > Thanks, > Leon. > While I certainly don't mind being mailed off-list, I'll assume that you intended to submit this question to the FreeBSD questions mailing list. I have forwarded it appropriately. I would recommend you use the ports collection to install MySQL and any other software that you need. In order to ensure that you have the most recent ports collection, you should learn to use cvsup. There is excellent information on this in the Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html I believe that versions 3.23, 4.0, 4.1, and even a version of 5 of MySQL exist in the ports collection. I have experience only with 4.1, so I can't attest to which you _should_ use, also I don't know what your intended use is, but 4.1 should be just fine. Once you have the ports collection up-to-date, you can install MySQL by doing: # cd /usr/ports/databases/mysql41-server # make install clean HTH, -- Joshua Lokken Open Source Advocate ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
In a message dated 1/4/05 11:50:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > None of the new Supermicro hardware I've tried works with Freebsd > 4.10 properly. I've seen that this has been reported by others. > They are all based on the 7520 and 7530 Intel chips. 5.3 works > ok, but a 3.4/800 processor on 5.3 is slower than a 3.06/533 > processor on our old 7502 chipset based system with 4.9. What can > be done? >Donate one of the systems to a FreeBSD kernel developer. > >Ted Do you really have no contacts at SM or Dell? What kind of a development org has no contacts with major vendors? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 05:02:23PM -0700, Tom Vilot wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >so why are you even trying? > > > > Why are you on this list? > > This is a questions list. Not an advocacy list, not a "BSD SUX" list. > > Why are you here? > > I wish I could be as arrogant and condescending as you, but clearly you > were born with an advantage in that arena. He has a Holy Mission. Kris pgptiFDDoRSKs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Powering down FreeBSD 5
Forrest Aldrich wrote: Can FreeBSD be configured to actually power off the machine, rather than sit with "Press any key to reboot". We're redeploying some servers, and we'd like them to be powered on individually, not powered up upon plug-in to the power cable. /sbin/shutdown -p Although it does depend on the hardware being able to do that. i.e., my laptop handles that just fine, but not the old dual processor Xeon here ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Powering down FreeBSD 5
Can FreeBSD be configured to actually power off the machine, rather than sit with "Press any key to reboot". We're redeploying some servers, and we'd like them to be powered on individually, not powered up upon plug-in to the power cable. Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so why are you even trying? Why are you on this list? This is a questions list. Not an advocacy list, not a "BSD SUX" list. Why are you here? I wish I could be as arrogant and condescending as you, but clearly you were born with an advantage in that arena. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
In a message dated 1/5/05 6:29:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whine, whine, whine, bitch, bitch, bitch. You aren't technically capable of grasping a single point in this discussion, Tom, so why are you even trying? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Explore FreeBSD filesystem under Windows?
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 06:02 am, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > So ... if your flavour of Windoze can read FAT32, a FAT32 partition > > is a very good idea because all the commonly-available unices can > > read it as well. > > If it can't ... the options aren't so good. I'd think ext2 would > > be the only workable alternative to FAT16, but neither is > > desirable. > > > > BTW, I haven't found one, but does anyone have a way to make WinNT > > read FAT32? Found that myself: www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/utilities.shtml Which allowed me to download "fat32.exe" which allows NT to read/write but not create or format FAT32 partitions. Works OK. > You know, every time I think I'm becoming too cynical about the > Windows world, all I need to do is read a post like this, and remind > myself that it is impossible to be /too/ cynical about Windows. It gets worse. I did some googling about VFAT and unices and found that it is a "feature" of VFAT that all files/directories are seen by unices as root-only access AND that this is immutable in situ. drwxr--r-- 25 root root16384 Dec 31 1969 hdb5 drwxr--r--9 root root16384 Jul 23 23:28 FreeBSD-docs -rwxr--r--1 root root71142 Jul 23 23:28 install-FreeBSD-notes I CAN copy a file (as root) to my personal home directory and (as root) chown and chmod there. I can then deal with the file as I wish. However, saving to the VFAT directory can only be done as root and the permissions then revert to " -rwxr--r- root root". Not nice. So it looks as though ext2 (using explore2fs from Windoze) is the only alternative to fat16. -- Regards, Brian sos-sa.org.au ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whine, whine, whine, bitch, bitch, bitch. So go use Linux. Someone is twisting your arm? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
In a message dated 1/5/05 3:59:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rather, it was the people who *developed* the *free* and very powerful operating system (that he is attempting to use) he called stupid. I'm still waiting to see him post an apology. I, for one, am humbled by the BSD teams. They do work I don't believe I could ever do, regardless of my 15 years of work in software. Well you are worshiping the wrong mountain, my friend, because the people who developed the free, powerful OS you speak of are mostly long gone. The current "team" is reponsible for a "new" version that is 1/4 slower than its predecessor. Doesn't seem so awesome to me. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Experience with Dell Inspiron 1150 laptop?
[Resequenced, time: 40 seconds. See http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] On Wednesday, 5 January 2005 at 19:24:27 +0100, Kiffin Gish wrote: > On Wednesday, January 05, 2005 07:23, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> >> I'm thinking of buying a Dell Inspiron 1150 laptop. I have a number >> of Dells, and on the whole I'm happy, but I've had "issues" before. >> Can anybody who has one of these machines (1150 only, please) tell me >> good or bad things about it? Have you been able to get the internal >> wireless card to work? > > I've been the happy owner of a Dell Inspiron 8200 with a TrueMobile > wireless card. I suppose it's the out of sequence reply that made you miss: >> Can anybody who has one of these machines (1150 only, please) tell me > Dual boot Windows/XP and FreeBSD 5.3, and so far never had any major > issues. > > Hope this helps... Not really. As I said, I have other Dell laptops, and on the whole I'm happy. I'm looking for input on the 1150. Thanks anyway. Greg -- When replying to this message, please take care not to mutilate the original text. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/email.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. pgpIzkAvDNTxh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: sendmail and mbox permissions
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:23:29 +0300, Eugene M. Minkovskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi. > > I use FreeBSD 5.3 and sendmail. When root rechieve the mail, > mailbox's (/var/mail/root) permission bits has been setted to > 600. Who and how it does? Can I change this behavior? > > -- For security reasons, the "root" account should not receice any mail. One of sendmail's alternatives "qmail" will even NEVER send any mail to the root account. Enter an alias for root in "/etc/mail/aliases" and run the "newaliases" command. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
In a message dated 1/5/05 4:03:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Besides ... with a name like hardcodeharry, I would expect a little more > intelligence; a little more willingness to dig into things. A slight > tendency to ask the question: "how can I hack this code to work, and how > would I contribute those modifications to the BSD team?" You obviously speak from your armpit, because to do the kind of work to support the O/S at the chipset level is beyond the reasonable expectations of even the most talented of programmers. The learning curve to be able to understand the basic code is exceptionally steep. Thats why there are maintainers, becuase what takes him an hour would take someone else weeks. "> 2. Don't expect every damn piece of hardware out there to work out of > the box with an older version of the kernel for the given *nix. This is > NOT WINDOWS (thank god) and just because you have a particular piece of > hardware doesn't mean it's going to work. It is your responsibility to > know this and to work with it. > > 3. Ask questions politely in the appropriate forums, and be civil. > Failing to do so is probably not going to get your question answered. > > I for one was drafting a post for this list thanking *everyone* on it > for being the kind of terrific help they are when Boris' post appeared. > The kind of discourse I see on this list (and on other BSD oriented > lists) is a huge and welcome contrast to the childish banter I see on > most of the Linux (and MacOS and Windows) discussion lists out there. It > is like the kind of professional enthusiasm I remember on the BeOS lists. " -- Your point might have some teeth if the "newer" version were better, but the entire problem is that 5.x is much worse than 4.x, so there lies the issue. 4.10 is NOT supposed to be an "old" version. Its the production version. Because its readily admitted that 5.x is not yet ready for prime time by those in the know. And its not properly suppored. The "tranquility" of this list is apparently because the people on this list are too technically incompetent to realize how badly botched 5.x is. "thank you master, thank you for helping me get my mouse working, let me kiss your boots" The truth is that you are in awe of a "team" that has done a terrible job of transitioning to a new version, who can't get the new version to perform at close to the levels of the previous version after several years, and who have time and time again failed to meet their promised performance targets. They force their customer base to use the slothy thing, because modern motherboards and comm cards dont work in 4.x. And you stand and cheer them. Like a bunch of blind men cheering the one-eyed fool. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Re: Can't ping between FreeBSD and Win2K...
> Please, someone can help me? May be trouble in ipfw? Mrachik ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Running top on system console without being logged on
I'd like to run top on the system console to keep an eye on the system, but I'd prefer not to have the console logged on to do so. Is there an elegant way to do this? How about creating a user like this with vipw: topper::userno:groupno::0:0:Topper Harley:/nonexistent:/usr/bin/top and then just logging in on spare console screen as topper? I'm not sure if there are security implications though, even if the user is not member of the wheel group etc. -Reko ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 01:00:47PM -0700, Tom Vilot wrote: > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > >Tom, > > > > Have you tried any of the alternative implementations of Java? > >Sun's isn't the only one out there. > > > > I have. > > I'm sorry, I am mostly venting my frustration with Java as a language, > Sun as a company, and J2EE as a hugely bloated and over-architected > solution in dire need of a problem. > (Yup!) --I've been wanting to ask about kaffee [ if this is a Java clone ], and any other. C was the first quantum leap, OS- and application-wise. We have many alternatives to the Dennis Ritchie orginal, so it would seem possible to follow another course for things-java. Hopefully. So, without hijacking this thread *too* far, what other Open src projects will run "Java"-applets and so on?? gary PS: This might work well in the article... . -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public service Unix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Dumb OpenOffice install error
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:56:28 -0600, Joshua Lokken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:52:16 +, Simon Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:58:24 -0600, Joshua Lokken > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > There's a thread on this list from yesterday that states plainly that > > > OpenOffice does not build on FreeBSD 5.3: > > > > > > > > However, it does build on 4.11-STABLE. > > > > > > > I have OpenOffice 1.1.3 running on 5.3. All that i neded to get it to > > build from ports was to install jdk14 before, as it tires to use the > > linux java which doesnt work. Unless things have changed in the past > > month or so?? > > -- > > Theres no place like ::1 > > Not sure; I don't run 5.3; It was mentioned yesterday that, specifically, > OpenOffice from the ports will not build on 5.3-STABLE. > > I know that it can be a right pain to do, it took me a couple of days to finally get it done but i managed it. I dont know if things have changed now or will change with the java thing going on, but still thta might be completly different. I'm no sure but im pretty certain that openoffice2 doesnt work either. Though i may be mistaken -- Theres no place like ::1 Thanks, SimonB ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: 3ware Esclade 7006-2
- Original Message - From: "Frederic Andres" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FreeBSD Questions" Cc: "Justin England" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:28 AM Subject: Re: 3ware Esclade 7006-2 Hi, My question is mainly on the driver though. Which should I use? The twe driver seems to be working as far as I have tested, but do I need the driver downloaded from 3ware to get 3dm2 and the CLI to work? If so, what is the best way to install the driver as I am using this array as the boot disk? I have the same 3ware controller running on FreeBSD 5.2/5.2.1 and it works very well. I use the default drivers (twe) during the installation of FreeBSD. Concerning the admin tools, I installed the port /usr/ports/sysutils/3dm which provides an alert daemon and a web interface to check hardward. In addition, I downloaded the command line tool from 3ware website : the cli program, version 7.7.1 for FreeBSD 4.8 Beta. (it works on FreeBSD 5.2.x serie and should work on 5.3.x). I am using the built-in twe driver and everything appears to be working great. I also downloaded the CLI util from the 3ware site, and after a bit or experimenting with it, I have that working fine as well. As for the 3dm util, when attempting to install from ports, this is what I get: ===> 3dm-1.10.0.011_1,1 This port is obsolete and should not be used. Please visit the 3ware website (www.3ware.com) for a newer version of the 3dm utility. Well, I downloaded the latest 3dm util, but am unsuccessful it getting it to work. It launches without errors, but when attempting to connect to it's web interface, nothing happens. Telnet'ing directly to it's port (888 by default) and sending it a GET request produces no output, so I am assuming that it is not compatible with the 5.3 twe driver, although the CLI interface is. Anybody been able to get the 3dm2 web interface, downloaded from 3ware.com, working with the twe driver that comes with 5.3-RELEASE? Thanks, Justin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: broken port
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:19:21PM +0100, Kiffin Gish wrote: > Sometimes when I am trying to make something from the ports I get the > message that the port is 'broken'. > > For example, while trying to build the enlightenment window manager. > > What does that mean and what can I do to get around it? Usually, "is known not to compile on your version of FreeBSD". Enlightment itself is not marked broken though, so you'll have to post the exact error message you receive to get more specific advice. Kris pgpsSpmiHQDw8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: broken port
On January 5, 2005 04:19 pm, Kiffin Gish wrote: > Sometimes when I am trying to make something from the ports I get the > message that the port is 'broken'. > > For example, while trying to build the enlightenment window manager. > > What does that mean and what can I do to get around it? from the bsd handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-broken.html -- economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. - john kenneth galbraith ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: broken port
On Jan 5, 2005, at 4:19 PM, Kiffin Gish wrote: Sometimes when I am trying to make something from the ports I get the message that the port is 'broken'. For example, while trying to build the enlightenment window manager. What does that mean and what can I do to get around it? The BROKEN line in the port's Makefile ought to specify a reason why the port is broken, but for more information consider: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/dads- noinstall.html If you figure out how to fix the problem with the port, submit your changes via send-pr or discuss the matter with the port's maintainer (or here on this mailing list). -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
broken port
Sometimes when I am trying to make something from the ports I get the message that the port is 'broken'. For example, while trying to build the enlightenment window manager. What does that mean and what can I do to get around it? -- Kiffin Gish Gouda, The Netherlands ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
> I, for one, am humbled by the BSD teams... I have come out of hibernation early in order to agree with all of the above points. Back to bed for me, Good night. Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:58:47 -0700, Tom Vilot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Besides ... with a name like hardcodeharry, I would expect a little more > intelligence; a little more willingness to dig into things. A slight > tendency to ask the question: "how can I hack this code to work, and how > would I contribute those modifications to the BSD team?" > > But I see none of that. > > In short: troll. > > Anyone with a reasonable desire to use any of the *nixes would have > enough smarts to know: > > 1. check the hardware compatibility lists to determine whether or not > the hardware you want to run is going to work with the particular *nix > you want to use. This is no different between BSD and Linux, Solaris, etc. > > 2. Don't expect every damn piece of hardware out there to work out of > the box with an older version of the kernel for the given *nix. This is > NOT WINDOWS (thank god) and just because you have a particular piece of > hardware doesn't mean it's going to work. It is your responsibility to > know this and to work with it. > > 3. Ask questions politely in the appropriate forums, and be civil. > Failing to do so is probably not going to get your question answered. > > I for one was drafting a post for this list thanking *everyone* on it > for being the kind of terrific help they are when Boris' post appeared. > The kind of discourse I see on this list (and on other BSD oriented > lists) is a huge and welcome contrast to the childish banter I see on > most of the Linux (and MacOS and Windows) discussion lists out there. It > is like the kind of professional enthusiasm I remember on the BeOS lists. > > As a result ... please pardon me if I am intolerant of behavior and > attitudes that sound to me like that which I left behind when I put > FreeBSD on my laptop and two servers Very well said, Tom, and accurate. Thank you. -- Joshua Lokken Open Source Advocate ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think he was calling the members of this list stupid. You are correct. He wasn't. Rather, it was the people who *developed* the *free* and very powerful operating system (that he is attempting to use) he called stupid. I'm still waiting to see him post an apology. I, for one, am humbled by the BSD teams. They do work I don't believe I could ever do, regardless of my 15 years of work in software. Only that not supporting major chipsets and whining about not having the funding nor the contacts to get a $250 Mobo as an excuse was "Stupid". This is not a new chipset. Its been out for months and months. Really? Gee, so has my Linksys Wireless G card. In fact, I am fairly sure it's been out for more than a year. Guess what? It's not supported on FreeBSD 4.10 either. It *is* on 5.3 via ndis (which I was thrilled to discover). Kinda sounds like the situation with these SuperMicro boards. If it was *that* important to me to run this particular 802.11g card on FreeBSD 4.10, I *would* donate or loan it to a kernel developer. And that is perfectly reasonable advice. The fact that he's in Russia is of no consequence. His email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] We're supposed to just psychically *know* that's a Russian domain and his net income for three months is what I earn in an hour? Open Sound doesn't work on 4.10. Only on 5.3. Am I going to complain to 4Front Technologies that they are "stupid"? I think not. Besides ... with a name like hardcodeharry, I would expect a little more intelligence; a little more willingness to dig into things. A slight tendency to ask the question: "how can I hack this code to work, and how would I contribute those modifications to the BSD team?" But I see none of that. In short: troll. Anyone with a reasonable desire to use any of the *nixes would have enough smarts to know: 1. check the hardware compatibility lists to determine whether or not the hardware you want to run is going to work with the particular *nix you want to use. This is no different between BSD and Linux, Solaris, etc. 2. Don't expect every damn piece of hardware out there to work out of the box with an older version of the kernel for the given *nix. This is NOT WINDOWS (thank god) and just because you have a particular piece of hardware doesn't mean it's going to work. It is your responsibility to know this and to work with it. 3. Ask questions politely in the appropriate forums, and be civil. Failing to do so is probably not going to get your question answered. I for one was drafting a post for this list thanking *everyone* on it for being the kind of terrific help they are when Boris' post appeared. The kind of discourse I see on this list (and on other BSD oriented lists) is a huge and welcome contrast to the childish banter I see on most of the Linux (and MacOS and Windows) discussion lists out there. It is like the kind of professional enthusiasm I remember on the BeOS lists. As a result ... please pardon me if I am intolerant of behavior and attitudes that sound to me like that which I left behind when I put FreeBSD on my laptop and two servers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Dumb OpenOffice install error
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:52:16 +, Simon Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:58:24 -0600, Joshua Lokken > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > There's a thread on this list from yesterday that states plainly that > > OpenOffice does not build on FreeBSD 5.3: > > > > > However, it does build on 4.11-STABLE. > > > > I have OpenOffice 1.1.3 running on 5.3. All that i neded to get it to > build from ports was to install jdk14 before, as it tires to use the > linux java which doesnt work. Unless things have changed in the past > month or so?? > -- > Theres no place like ::1 Not sure; I don't run 5.3; It was mentioned yesterday that, specifically, OpenOffice from the ports will not build on 5.3-STABLE. -- Joshua Lokken Open Source Advocate ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Dumb OpenOffice install error
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:58:24 -0600, Joshua Lokken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There's a thread on this list from yesterday that states plainly that > OpenOffice does not build on FreeBSD 5.3: > > However, it does build on 4.11-STABLE. > I have OpenOffice 1.1.3 running on 5.3. All that i neded to get it to build from ports was to install jdk14 before, as it tires to use the linux java which doesnt work. Unless things have changed in the past month or so?? -- Theres no place like ::1 Thanks, SimonB ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Is bpf a part of IPFW, or am I confused?
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Olivier Certner wrote: I'm not able to give a deep answer on that. What I can say is that you must compile the kernel with bpf if you want to use the DHCP protocol or the tcpdump utility. tcpdump as well? Worth remembering. It would be great if someone can clarify the precise roles of bpf. Indeed. That it is the userland framework helps, but I guess something is lacking in the documentation, or my skill at reading it. /andreas -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
usb modem
hello guys , I have installed a usb modem andin my FreeBSD 5.1 box, the system has created a /dev/ugen0 and /dev/ugen0.1, but when I try to do a cu using ugen0 or ugen0.1 I dont get any answer from the modem, cu just says that the device is not configured. Is there any other file I need to configure?, do I have to edit /etc/ttys and add ugen0 or ugen0.1 ?. Thanks for your help. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
In a message dated 1/5/05 3:00:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >>Asking a guy from a poor country to donate his hardware to a >>US organization at least partially funded by Yahoo is "helpful"? What planet >>are you from? >> >The planet where 99% of the posts on this list are helpful, and the one >from this guy (who calls the members of this list, and I quote, "very >stupid people") isn't. I don't think he was calling the members of this list stupid. Only that not supporting major chipsets and whining about not having the funding nor the contacts to get a $250 Mobo as an excuse was "Stupid". This is not a new chipset. Its been out for months and months. TM ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Is bpf a part of IPFW, or am I confused?
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Charles Swiger wrote: On Jan 5, 2005, at 3:09 PM, Andreas Davour wrote: I have searched the handbook and the manpages and not really understood the role of bpf. Is it supposed to be enabled when I use IPFW or is it another beast altogether, best left undisturbed? The BPF, or Berkeley Packet Filter, is really intended for use by userland applications which want to perform network analysis and packet filtering. IPFW and the other firewalls for FreeBSD are written as kernel modules and thus deal with the network stack directly. The current DHCP implementation (ISC's dhcpd and dhclient programs) depends on BPF to work, so I would be cautious about removing it from your kernel unless you are sure you won't need it. Then I'd better not remove it from my kernel config, since I use dhcp for my network connection. Thanks for the warning! /andreas -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Is bpf a part of IPFW, or am I confused?
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:09:55PM +0100, Andreas Davour wrote: I started to do some research for a kernel compile that should migrate my system into the future I came upon the line "options bpf" in the kernel config file. I have searched the handbook and the manpages and not really understood the role of bpf. Is it supposed to be enabled when I use IPFW or is it another beast altogether, best left undisturbed? It's completely separate. OK, good to know. It wasn't all together clear from the documentation. /andreas -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java
Hi Paul, I'm going to top-post here since you used html formatting and it's hard to insert into that. As for the FreeBSD distribution of the JDK, if you go to the link here: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/downloads/java.shtml You will see that the organization "The FreeBSD Foundation" is currently distributing the 1.3 JRE and JDK. They would like to stop doing this and just see these included on the FreeBSD release CD's, or see Sun distributing them off Sun's Java download pages. The only costs involved I'm aware of were incurred in dealing with Sun to get the license fixed so that the FreeBSD Foundation could distribute it. And the Foundation bore those costs. Now, as for my affiliation, the short answer is that the FreeBSD Project is organized in such a fashion as there's really only 2 classes of affiliation - either a committer which means you can directly modify the source code (subject to an organized set of procedures) or a user, which can't. I'm not currently a committer so my affiliation is as a user. But I think what your really looking for is an official spokesman. And I have to tell you that such doesen't exist. Here's the long answer: The FreeBSD Foundation isn't exactly an "official spokesman" of the FreeBSD Project because in reality there really isn't any "official spokesman" of the FreeBSD Project. However they are the closest thing that the Project has to an official spokesman. Years ago the FreeBSD Project had a more centralized organization with a President who acted in that capacity. The Project got rid of that because since it's not an incorporated entity but merely a loose organization of volunteers, that person had no legal standing to negotiate contracts - and since that person wasn't elected from the entire FreeBSD userbase, the only reason they had any "spokesman" capacity at all is that the general userbase was contented with the way things were. So if your looking for quotes for the article, your going to have to attribute any user quotes to that person's resume, you can for example attribute any quote from me as "Ted Mittelstaedt, system administrator for Internet Partners Inc. (that is the ISP I work at) or you can attribute to my book authorship instead which is already in the prior post. Most other people on this mailing list (for that is what you have e-mailed to) have their own attributions. But, technically nobody speaks for The FreeBSD Project. The FreeBSD Foundation is as close as your going to get to a single point of contact. Linux is the same way, quotes are either attributed to the distributors, like Red Hat company, or to Linux Torvalds who is supposedly the single kernel maintainer. To get opinions from the people actually doing the work to make the Java port work on FreeBSD, you will want to e-mail the following mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I look forward to seeing your article in Infoworld! Ted -Original Message- From: Paul Krill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:38 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jorn Argelo; Joshua Lokken Subject: RE: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java Thank you very much for your help. I had some follow-up questions. * For background, FreeBSD wants to distribute the JDK with the FreeBSD OS? FreeBSD's implementation of specific Java technologies? Both? * Which version of the JDK has FreeBSD been prevented from redistributing? Are there cost issues involved? * Please state your specific affiliation with FreeBSD. "Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 01/05/2005 11:29 AM To:"Paul Krill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Joshua Lokken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:"Jorn Argelo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Subject:RE: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java Hi Paul, Hey, good luck to you! The basic root of the problem as I understand it is that Sun license for the JDK 1.3 originally prevented redistribution of the JDK with the FreeBSD which is something that the Project wanted to be able to do for obvious reasons. As a result the FreeBSD Foundation worked with Sun to make some modifications to the Sun license to allow this, as a result the JDK 1.3 can now be redistributed. Unfortunately with the newer JDKs Sun once again changed the licensing terms and the original people at Sun who came up to speed to understand the issues are no longer there, and there's a new set of people there in charge of this who are more busy with bigger fish to fry. It's of course quite legal for end users to download the JDK directly from Sun and compile it on FreeBSD themselves and then use it. There's no shortage of development time available to get the newer JDK's working on the latest FreeBSD versions and many people have already done so. The problem is in the licensing issues. If you puruse the Sun
Re: Is bpf a part of IPFW, or am I confused?
I'm not able to give a deep answer on that. What I can say is that you must compile the kernel with bpf if you want to use the DHCP protocol or the tcpdump utility. It would be great if someone can clarify the precise roles of bpf. Olivier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
sendmail and mbox permissions
Hi. I use FreeBSD 5.3 and sendmail. When root rechieve the mail, mailbox's (/var/mail/root) permission bits has been setted to 600. Who and how it does? Can I change this behavior? -- Sensory yours, Eugene Minkovskii Сенсорно ваш, Евгений Миньковский ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Is bpf a part of IPFW, or am I confused?
On Jan 5, 2005, at 3:09 PM, Andreas Davour wrote: I have searched the handbook and the manpages and not really understood the role of bpf. Is it supposed to be enabled when I use IPFW or is it another beast altogether, best left undisturbed? The BPF, or Berkeley Packet Filter, is really intended for use by userland applications which want to perform network analysis and packet filtering. IPFW and the other firewalls for FreeBSD are written as kernel modules and thus deal with the network stack directly. The current DHCP implementation (ISC's dhcpd and dhclient programs) depends on BPF to work, so I would be cautious about removing it from your kernel unless you are sure you won't need it. -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Is bpf a part of IPFW, or am I confused?
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:09:55PM +0100, Andreas Davour wrote: > > I started to do some research for a kernel compile that should migrate > my system into the future I came upon the line "options bpf" in the > kernel config file. > > I have searched the handbook and the manpages and not really understood > the role of bpf. Is it supposed to be enabled when I use IPFW or is it > another beast altogether, best left undisturbed? It's completely separate. Kris pgpv6fShFhqQ7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Is bpf a part of IPFW, or am I confused?
I started to do some research for a kernel compile that should migrate my system into the future I came upon the line "options bpf" in the kernel config file. I have searched the handbook and the manpages and not really understood the role of bpf. Is it supposed to be enabled when I use IPFW or is it another beast altogether, best left undisturbed? /Andreas -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
