kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed

2007-04-14 Thread Luke Dean


The latest version of Opera claims to be faster by taking advantage of 
shared X memory if I set the sysctl kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed.


I don't like to change sysctls from their default settings unless I 
understand the consequences.  I've been unable to find a manpage that 
describes this setting.  The description Enable/Disable attachment to 
attached segments marked for removal sounds a bit frightening to me.


Would anyone care to comment on the effects and risks of changing this 
setting on a private desktop machine?

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Re: Syslog not logging remote host

2007-04-14 Thread Doug Hardie


On Apr 13, 2007, at 22:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


At 08:48 PM 4/13/2007, you wrote:

Janos Dohanics [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm trying capture logs from m0n0wall, but the log file is empty.

 Here is my configuration:

 On the logging machine, in /etc/rc.conf:

 syslogd_flags=-a 10.61.70.1

 In /etc/syslog.conf:

 +10.61.70.1
 *.* /var/log/ 
m0n0wall.log


 /var/log/m0n0wall.log exists and writable:

 -rw-rw-r--  1 root  network  0 Apr 13 00:32 /var/log/m0n0wall.log

 The m0n0wall is configured to send logs to 10.61.70.100, which  
is the

 logging machine.

 What am I missing?

Start with tcpdump on the receiving machine:
tcpdump 'port 514'
to see if you're even receiving messages from the monowall machine.

If not, then double-check your config on the monowall machine.  If  
so,

check the receiving machine.


Bill,

looks like 10.61.70.100 is receiving packets:

00:58:07.203800 IP gww.floco.com.syslog  10.61.70.100.syslog: UDP,  
length: 126
00:58:33.295297 IP gww.floco.com.syslog  10.61.70.100.syslog: UDP,  
length: 44
00:58:33.340779 IP gww.floco.com.syslog  10.61.70.100.syslog: UDP,  
length: 49
00:59:21.436782 IP gww.floco.com.syslog  10.61.70.100.syslog: UDP,  
length: 55
00:59:21.438125 IP gww.floco.com.syslog  10.61.70.100.syslog: UDP,  
length: 71
00:59:21.439305 IP gww.floco.com.syslog  10.61.70.100.syslog: UDP,  
length: 99
00:59:21.440458 IP gww.floco.com.syslog  10.61.70.100.syslog: UDP,  
length: 92



Did you restart syslogd on both systems after making config changes?


I have...

Janos


You might try running ktrace on the syslogd process while log  
messages are being sent.  If you see syslogd receive the messages but  
not writing to a file, then there is an issue with the syslog.conf  
settings.  It could also be logging somewhere you are not expecting.   
If you don't see syslogd receiving the messages then there is  
something blocking it or syslogd is just not listening to that host/ 
port.


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Re: Mysql Hogging all system resources

2007-04-14 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Apr 13), Don O'Neil said:
 Nevermind on the badly formatted number... I specified the full path
 /usr/bin/nice and it worked ok this time :-)
 
 However, I still want to know if there is a way to specify a nice
 level for an entire users processes.

If you create a login class in /etc/login.conf and set the priority
capability, then assign a user to that class in /etc/master.passwd (the
class field is the 5th one, it's usually empty), then their priority
(aka niceness) should get set then they log in.  Remember to use the
'vipw' command to edit the passwd file, and to run 'cap_mkdb
/etc/login.conf' to rebuild login.conf.db.

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Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
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 First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors
 Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI
 switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true that
 depending on your hardware a FreeBSD workstation or laptop can be a
 bit of a challenge.

My issues with FreeBSD as a desktop mostly come from the difficulty of
installing software and keeping it up-to-date: 'pkg_add -r' and
'portupgrade -aP' simply can't hold a candle to 'apt-get install' and
'apt-get dist-upgrade'.

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Given this evidence, should I be worried that I may have been hacked

2007-04-14 Thread Jim Stapleton

Once I opened up SSH to the outside world, my machine has been
hammered once or twice a day most days, with username failures. None
of the  usernames would fit a username on my system (except root), and
I have ssh set to deny root logins, and only use SSH2. Additionally, I
have the following in my login.access (only active entry, the name
have been changed on this, but the three names would appear as 3 and
four character random alphabetical strings):
-:ALL EXCEPT wrbc crr aqp:ALL EXCEPT local

As of the 9th, I've only seen one set of blatant/brute-force attempt
at my ssh server. It's interesting, but the major drop in attempts has
me more worried than the attempts (could this drop off be because they
no longer need to hack me? Could they have hacked me an that be the
reason why?)

How worried should I be, and what's the best recourse for this?

Thanks,
-Jim Stapleton
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Re: Given this evidence, should I be worried that I may have been hacked

2007-04-14 Thread Gabor Kovesdan

Jim Stapleton schrieb:

Once I opened up SSH to the outside world, my machine has been
hammered once or twice a day most days, with username failures. None
of the  usernames would fit a username on my system (except root), and
I have ssh set to deny root logins, and only use SSH2. Additionally, I
have the following in my login.access (only active entry, the name
have been changed on this, but the three names would appear as 3 and
four character random alphabetical strings):
-:ALL EXCEPT wrbc crr aqp:ALL EXCEPT local

As of the 9th, I've only seen one set of blatant/brute-force attempt
at my ssh server. It's interesting, but the major drop in attempts has
me more worried than the attempts (could this drop off be because they
no longer need to hack me? Could they have hacked me an that be the
reason why?)

How worried should I be, and what's the best recourse for this?

On a system I administer I put SSH to a non-standard port (in this case 
1234) and the brute force attempts has gone away since then. I suggest 
you trying that. Besides, you can change to RSA/DSA auth, which is more 
secure.


Regards,
Gabor

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Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Victor Engmark

On 4/13/07, Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Why is freebsd better then ubuntu?



More useful documentation (the Handbook is great) and easier to debug than
any Linux distribution I've ever tried (including Mandrake, Ubuntu, Kubuntu,
SUSE 6.3, SLED, Debian, SLC, and MEPIS). There's also a good chance an
answer, tutorial, or howto from 1999 is still applicable, unlike for Linux.

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profound
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Re: Mysql Hogging all system resources

2007-04-14 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Don O'Neil [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I did this:
 
 In my login.conf file (assuming that all you have to do is change whatever
 you don't want to be the default):
 
 nice:\
 :priority=5:
 
 In the user entry I put 'nice' in field 5.
 
 When I rebuilt the login.conf db, nothing seems to have changed for th
 user... A 'top' still shows his processes (old and new) with a nice of 0.
 
 Is there something else I'm missing?

Did you log the user out/restart all his processes?  I expect the
priority is applied at login time and isn't going to be re-evaluated on
a continual basis.

 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:57 PM
 To: Don O'Neil
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Mysql Hogging all system resources
 
 In the last episode (Apr 13), Don O'Neil said:
  Nevermind on the badly formatted number... I specified the full path 
  /usr/bin/nice and it worked ok this time :-)
  
  However, I still want to know if there is a way to specify a nice 
  level for an entire users processes.
 
 If you create a login class in /etc/login.conf and set the priority
 capability, then assign a user to that class in /etc/master.passwd (the
 class field is the 5th one, it's usually empty), then their priority (aka
 niceness) should get set then they log in.  Remember to use the 'vipw'
 command to edit the passwd file, and to run 'cap_mkdb /etc/login.conf' to
 rebuild login.conf.db.
 
 -- 
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Re: Given this evidence, should I be worried that I may have been hacked

2007-04-14 Thread Jim Stapleton

I have DSA. I will change it to a nonstandard port, but I was
wondering what your oppinion on a good way to check if this is the
result of me being hacked, or just someone loosing interest.

On 4/14/07, Gabor Kovesdan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Jim Stapleton schrieb:
 Once I opened up SSH to the outside world, my machine has been
 hammered once or twice a day most days, with username failures. None
 of the  usernames would fit a username on my system (except root), and
 I have ssh set to deny root logins, and only use SSH2. Additionally, I
 have the following in my login.access (only active entry, the name
 have been changed on this, but the three names would appear as 3 and
 four character random alphabetical strings):
 -:ALL EXCEPT wrbc crr aqp:ALL EXCEPT local

 As of the 9th, I've only seen one set of blatant/brute-force attempt
 at my ssh server. It's interesting, but the major drop in attempts has
 me more worried than the attempts (could this drop off be because they
 no longer need to hack me? Could they have hacked me an that be the
 reason why?)

 How worried should I be, and what's the best recourse for this?

On a system I administer I put SSH to a non-standard port (in this case
1234) and the brute force attempts has gone away since then. I suggest
you trying that. Besides, you can change to RSA/DSA auth, which is more
secure.

Regards,
Gabor



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Re: test

2007-04-14 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Hangmn [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 GET ME OFF THIS FUCKING LIST

That's a powerfully effective method of getting things done.

First off, the use of the word FUCKING is a well-known method to convince
people to come to your aid.  I believe it was Napoleon who stated, By
inserting 'FUCKING' in front of every FUCKING noun in every FUCKING
sentence, I have managed to motivate my FUCKING soldiers more so than
any other FUCKING method I have tried.

Secondly, the use of all caps is known to be an efficient method of getting
your point across.  Internet experts agree that mailing lists are very
loud, and the only way you're guaranteed to be heard is to SHOUT all
the time.  I'm glad you've caught on to this fine point of netiquette.

Thirdly, replying to an arbitrary message instead of taking the time to
contact the right people is a fabulously effective method of getting things
done.  Obviously, the guy who sent this test message, as well as others
who read it are most likely to be the people who can actually _do_ anything
about your problem.

And lastly, leaving out all the details of your problem is guaranteed to
expedite the fix of your problem.  Obviously those details, such as a
copy of an offending message with fully headers, or a list of the steps
you've tried to take in resolution of the problem, would only confused
the technically adept people who could actually research and fix your
problem.  Leaving them out is good practice.

 
 On 4/11/07, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
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  In response to Bill Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  
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Re: Given this evidence, should I be worried that I may have been hacked

2007-04-14 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Jim Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Once I opened up SSH to the outside world, my machine has been
 hammered once or twice a day most days, with username failures. None
 of the  usernames would fit a username on my system (except root), and
 I have ssh set to deny root logins, and only use SSH2. Additionally, I
 have the following in my login.access (only active entry, the name
 have been changed on this, but the three names would appear as 3 and
 four character random alphabetical strings):
 -:ALL EXCEPT wrbc crr aqp:ALL EXCEPT local
 
 As of the 9th, I've only seen one set of blatant/brute-force attempt
 at my ssh server. It's interesting, but the major drop in attempts has
 me more worried than the attempts (could this drop off be because they
  no longer need to hack me? Could they have hacked me an that be the
 reason why?)
 
 How worried should I be, and what's the best recourse for this?

The drop is more likely coincidence than anything else, although you may
have blocked things to the point where they don't get logged anymore.

These breakin attempts are bots.  While I don't know for sure, I seriously
doubt that botnet gathering crooks discuss with each other which machines
they've already broken and thus don't attempt to break them a second
time.  I don't expect the drop off is related.

Personally, I just had 3 such attempts last night, compared to none over
the course of several days.  It's just a matter of how busy the botnet
people are on any given day.

You should install/run samhain or something similar to monitor activity
so you know if something unauthorized has changed.  That's the only real
way to know if you've successfully been broken or not.

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Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Paul Butler
Message: 17
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:21:43 -0500
From: Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: I like Ubuntu
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Why is freebsd better then ubuntu?

I find Ubuntu to be a great distro if your goal is to get a great
open-source desktop system up and running quickly, that is easy to
update (albeit not with the latest available applications) and
relatively bug-free.  If you yourself are not able to spend hands-on
time maintaining the system (i.e. for aging parents, in-laws, non-techie
friends) it is a good choice.  Their use of Debian's apt technology is
brilliant.  Their user/developer community is wonderful.

If, however, heart-stopping speed appeals to you, you want intelligently
planned technology with the latest stable applications, you are
operating web servers, or you just plain want to get expertise in real
Unix then there is nothing like FreeBSD.

Merely by living with FreeBSD for a year or two on your desktop or
laptop, you will really deepen your understanding of unix-derived
systems in a way which is not possible with Linux.  This may be very
helpful if you either have or contemplate a career in IT.

Paul Butler


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Re: Given this evidence, should I be worried that I may have been hacked

2007-04-14 Thread Gabor Kovesdan

Jim Stapleton schrieb:

I have DSA. I will change it to a nonstandard port, but I was
wondering what your oppinion on a good way to check if this is the
result of me being hacked, or just someone loosing interest.

Well, I think the latter. If you have an up-to-date system with 
up-to-date packages, you should not be too much worried, I think 
brute-force is useless if one uses strong passwords. I'd check auth-log 
and the output of last(1) if that says something, but you can never be 
sure. So I'd say just be happy, that they stopped trying, but don't give 
up the regular maintainence so that your system be as secure as it can 
be. :)
Oh, and you can try port-knocking as well to secure the sshd port. If 
you don't know what it is, just google for it.


Gabor
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Re: Given this evidence, should I be worried that I may have been hacked

2007-04-14 Thread Martin Hudec

Jim Stapleton wrote:

I have DSA. I will change it to a nonstandard port, but I was
wondering what your oppinion on a good way to check if this is the
result of me being hacked, or just someone loosing interest.


If you are hacked, then something might or might not be going on your 
system (check for unusual stuff, like rise in number of processes, or 
disk usage, or network traffic, and think about it). You know how your 
system behave on day to day, do you?


Nevertheless generally speaking, 99.99% of these brute attempts to get 
ssh access is coming from various zombies, blindly trying out port 22, 
that's why the port change is usual advice. There are easier ways on how 
to get inside than just bruteforcing via login credentials wild 
guessing. For example take unsecured web server with some full-of-bugs 
content management system. Exploiting a vulnerability will allow someone 
(this time definitely not a zombie) to get into the system and go 
forward with any dark actions he/she might have in the mind.


nice sunny weekend,
Martin
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Re: test

2007-04-14 Thread Gerard Seibert
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:28:29 +1200
Juha Saarinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 4/14/07, Hangmn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 No, no, this is the FreeBSD Questions list. The Fucking List is down
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 If you don't want to receive mail from the FreeBSD list in question,
 try this which is found at the end of every message to it:
 
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Has anyone but me noticed that the morons who request to be removed
from a list are inevitably 'TOP POSTERS'. They never read to the end of
a post and therefore are not likely to see the easy to follow
directions plainly stated there for their perusal.

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astro/google-earth

2007-04-14 Thread Steinar Bormer
Greetings,


On 2007-04-13 astro/google-earth was updated.  See:

URL: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=108864 


The Makefile now says nothing about FORBIDDEN, but 'make' still gives
the following output:

,
| # make
| ===  google-earth-4.0.2735 has known vulnerabilities:
| = google-earth -- heap overflow in the KML engine.
|Reference: 
http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/portaudit/5c9a2769-5ade-11db-a5ae-00508d6a62df.html
| = Please update your ports tree and try again.
| *** Error code 1
| 
| Stop in /usr/ports/astro/google-earth.
`

Needless to say I've updated the ports tree twice today, and Makefile,
distinfo and pkg-plist have been updated.

What I really don't understand is where this message quoted above is
coming from.  It's not included in any of the four files in
/usr/ports/astro/google-earth, so it must be stored somewhere else.  Any
pointers on how to proceed from here are appreciated.

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Re: Complete loss of network on 6_STABLE

2007-04-14 Thread Drew

Thank you. I don't know if there was a change to the driver, or if something
suddenly changed on my end, but the sis0 interface is now configured in the
place of the nve0 interface, and we'll go from there and figure things out.
I'm going to stick my neck out and say I've got a cable problem though.

On 4/13/07, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 4/14/07, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   A little more on this, because now I am really stumped. I have taken
  known
   good source, and moved it via CD to this machine. I rebuilt, and it
  exhibits
   exactly the same behavior, with both my kernel, and GENERIC. Pinging
an
  IP
   on my lan results in ping: sendto: host is down. There are no active
   firewalls on this machine. When I ping another IP on the network,
  activity
   happens on the switch. I have swapped NIC's to a known working one
from
   another machine, and it behaves identically. I have changed ports on
the
   switch. About the only thing I haven't done is reinstall (which
reminds
  me,
   I have a Freesbie disc around here somewhere to try) - but I'd
rather
  that
   was a last resort. Meaning I'm open to any suggestions anyone might
have
   about this.
 
  I'm coming to this thread a little late, so I apologize if this
  information has already been passed around.
 
  Can you provide ifconfig -a, netstat -m, netstat -s, netstat -rn
output
  on the troubled system.
 

 ifconfig -a:
 sis0: flags=8842BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
 options=8VLAN_MTU
 ether 00:a0:cc:73:64:69
 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX)
 status: active
 nve0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
 inet 192.168.1.6 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
 ether 00:15:f2:7f:80:86
 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX half-duplex)

Right off the bat I can tell you that this is wrong.  There is no
such thing as 100baseTX half-duplex.  It would appear as if the card
is not properly auto-negotiating with the switch.

I've never seen this problem cause the total failure you're reporting,
but I've seen it cause lots of other problems, and it's possibly
related.  If the switch is managed, make sure that it's set to
auto-negotiate.  Otherwise, you might have to play some games with
manually setting the speed on the card.  Unfortunately, I've seen this
make it worse sometimes: manually set the duplex on the card, and the
switch picks the wrong duplex setting.  As a result, unmanaged switches
are generally bad for networks.

 status: active
 plip0: flags=108810POINTOPOINT,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST,NEEDSGIANT mtu 1500
 lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 16384
 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4
 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128

 (note the sis0 has no configuration in the system we are talking about,
 that's the working test card I installed, and what I'm using with
Freesbie,
 as it doesn't seem to know about the nve0)

 netstat -m:
 130/395/525 mbufs in use (current/cache/total)
 128/146/274/25600 mbuf clusters in use (current/cache/total/max)
 128/128 mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use
(current/cache)
 0/0/0/0 4k (page size) jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max)
 0/0/0/0 9k jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max)
 0/0/0/0 16k jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max)
 288K/390K/679K bytes allocated to network (current/cache/total)
 0/0/0 requests for mbufs denied (mbufs/clusters/mbuf+clusters)
 0/0/0 requests for jumbo clusters denied (4k/9k/16k)
 0/5/6656 sfbufs in use (current/peak/max)
 0 requests for sfbufs denied
 0 requests for sfbufs delayed
 0 requests for I/O initiated by sendfile
 0 calls to protocol drain routines

 netstat -s:
 tcp:
 0 packets sent
 0 data packets (0 bytes)
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Re: Virally licensed code in FreeBSD kernel

2007-04-14 Thread Philipp Wuensche
Brett Glass wrote:
 I just read with some concern the announcement that Sun's ZFS has been
 integrated into the FreeBSD kernel. This would mean, unfortunately, that
 FreeBSD is now covered by the CDDL, which is a viral license similar to
 the GPL. Has FreeBSD abandoned its longstanding practice of keeping the
 kernel truly free?

Maybe this blog entry brings some light:
http://blogs.sun.com/chandan/entry/copyrights_licenses_and_cddl_illustrated

I don't see a problem. If you use CDDL licensed stuff like ZFS, you need
to provide the source, thats it.

greetigns,
philipp

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Re: astro/google-earth

2007-04-14 Thread Matthew Seaman
Steinar Bormer wrote:
 Greetings,
 
 
 On 2007-04-13 astro/google-earth was updated.  See:
 
 URL: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=108864 
 
 
 The Makefile now says nothing about FORBIDDEN, but 'make' still gives
 the following output:
 
 ,
 | # make
 | ===  google-earth-4.0.2735 has known vulnerabilities:
 | = google-earth -- heap overflow in the KML engine.
 |Reference: 
 http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/portaudit/5c9a2769-5ade-11db-a5ae-00508d6a62df.html
 | = Please update your ports tree and try again.
 | *** Error code 1
 | 
 | Stop in /usr/ports/astro/google-earth.
 `
 
 Needless to say I've updated the ports tree twice today, and Makefile,
 distinfo and pkg-plist have been updated.

You question boils down to: why does the ports system still think
Google Earth v. 4.0.2735 is still vulnerable when portaudit and VuXML
say that only versions earlier than 4.0.2414 are vulnerable?  Ports
certainly shouldn't do that given this:

happy-idiot-talk:~:% pkg_version -t 4.0.2414 4.0.2735


Looks like a bug to me.

 
 What I really don't understand is where this message quoted above is
 coming from.  It's not included in any of the four files in
 /usr/ports/astro/google-earth, so it must be stored somewhere else.  Any
 pointers on how to proceed from here are appreciated.
 

This message comes from portaudit(1).  There's a steaming great clue to
that effect in the URL you quote.  A good thing to try is downloading a
new portaudit database:

portaudit -F

Then retry the update.  Perhaps there was an error in the version numbering
in the version of the portaudit database you had originally, which has since
been fixed.  This would have fixed it for me, if I had Google Earth installed:

happy-idiot-talk:...ports/astro/google-earth:% portaudit -C
Affected package: google-earth-4.0.2735
Type of problem: google-earth -- heap overflow in the KML engine.
Reference: 
http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/portaudit/5c9a2769-5ade-11db-a5ae-00508d6a62df.html


happy-idiot-talk:...ports/astro/google-earth:% sudo portaudit -F 
Password:
auditfile.tbz 100% of   41 kB   49 kBps
New database installed.
happy-idiot-talk:...ports/astro/google-earth:% portaudit -C

If you absolutely have to upgrade straight away and cannot, for some
unimaginable reason, download a fresh portaudit database, then you can
define the somewhat misnamed 'DISABLE_VUNERABILITIES' variable in your
make environment.  It doesn't disable any vulnerabilities per se -- much
as we might desire that it should -- rather it disables all the warnings
and lock-outs of installing ports with known vulnerabilities.

Cheers,

Matthew

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gimp: install conflicts

2007-04-14 Thread White Hat
FreeBSD-6.2

I have a question regarding gimp-devel, the meta-port
for Gimp.

This port installs both:

graphics/gimp-app which has this in its Makefile:

CONFLICTS= gimp-1.* gimpshop-[0-9]*
gimp-app-devel-[0-9]*

And graphics/gimp-app-devel

Whose Makefile contains this notation:

CONFLICTS= gimp-1.* gimp-app-[0-9]*

Using portmanager to install gimp-devel results in the
following files being installed:

===
gimp-app-2.3.15,1   /graphics/gimp-app-devel
MISSING dependency of   gimp-devel-2.3,2  
/graphics/gimp-devel

gutenprint-base-5.1.0_1 /print/gutenprint-base
MISSING dependency of   gimp-gutenprint-5.1.0 
/print/gimp-gutenprint

gimp-app-2.2.13_2,1 /graphics/gimp-app
MISSING dependency of   gimp-gutenprint-5.1.0 
/print/gimp-gutenprint

gutenprint-ijs-5.1.0/print/gutenprint-ijs
MISSING dependency of   gutenprint-5.1_1  
/print/gutenprint

gutenprint-5.1_1/print/gutenprint
MISSING dependency of   gimp-gutenprint-5.1.0 
/print/gimp-gutenprint

gimp-gutenprint-5.1.0   /print/gimp-gutenprint
MISSING dependency of   gimp-devel-2.3,2  
/graphics/gimp-devel

gimp-devel-2.3,2/graphics/gimp-devel
MISSING gimp-devel-2.3,2  
/graphics/gimp-devel


The problem is that there appears to be a conflict
between the two versions of gimp-app being installed.
Is this correct, or am I reading this incorrectly?

If I try to update these files, portmanager will
complain about the conflict, although it does not do
so on the initial installation.

I can supply a copy of the build log if anyone wants
it.


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Re: Virally licensed code in FreeBSD kernel

2007-04-14 Thread Brett Glass
There is a huge problem in that the CDDL is viral. It infects
products with which it is combined. You can read the text of the
CDDL at

http://www.opensource.org/licenses/cddl1.php

Section 3.1 of the CDDL is the portion which is essentially equivalent
to the GPL. 

This is part of the nastiness of viral licenses.

--Brett Glass

At 07:06 AM 4/14/2007, Philipp Wuensche wrote:
 
Brett Glass wrote:
 I just read with some concern the announcement that Sun's ZFS has been
 integrated into the FreeBSD kernel. This would mean, unfortunately, that
 FreeBSD is now covered by the CDDL, which is a viral license similar to
 the GPL. Has FreeBSD abandoned its longstanding practice of keeping the
 kernel truly free?

Maybe this blog entry brings some light:
http://blogs.sun.com/chandan/entry/copyrights_licenses_and_cddl_illustrated

I don't see a problem. If you use CDDL licensed stuff like ZFS, you need
to provide the source, thats it.

greetigns,
philipp

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Re: Virally licensed code in FreeBSD kernel

2007-04-14 Thread Bill Moran
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:51:23 -0600
Brett Glass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There is a huge problem in that the CDDL is viral. It infects
 products with which it is combined. You can read the text of the
 CDDL at
 
 http://www.opensource.org/licenses/cddl1.php
 
 Section 3.1 of the CDDL is the portion which is essentially equivalent
 to the GPL. 
 
 This is part of the nastiness of viral licenses.

How is this any worse than the GPLed stuff in /usr/src/contrib?

I agree that the CDDL has a viral nature, but the BSD community has been
able to work within that framework for years with the GPL without having
it infect anything else.  A kernel module is no different.

 
 --Brett Glass
 
 At 07:06 AM 4/14/2007, Philipp Wuensche wrote:
  
 Brett Glass wrote:
  I just read with some concern the announcement that Sun's ZFS has been
  integrated into the FreeBSD kernel. This would mean, unfortunately, that
  FreeBSD is now covered by the CDDL, which is a viral license similar to
  the GPL. Has FreeBSD abandoned its longstanding practice of keeping the
  kernel truly free?
 
 Maybe this blog entry brings some light:
 http://blogs.sun.com/chandan/entry/copyrights_licenses_and_cddl_illustrated
 
 I don't see a problem. If you use CDDL licensed stuff like ZFS, you need
 to provide the source, thats it.
 
 greetigns,
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Samba and mountd spin

2007-04-14 Thread Kirk Strauser
I recently removed a lot (!!!) of packages from my 6.2-STABLE system  
as I no longer wanted to use it for a desktop, but still wanted it to  
be my home server.  When I rebooted it yesterday for nonrelated  
reasons, it hung on the Samba startup.  Further testing shows that  
whenever I try to run it's rc.d script, smbd and mountd fight for  
100% of the CPU.


Honestly, I don't have any idea where to even start looking for this  
problem.  I'm currently running portupgrade -Rf samba just in case  
I inadvertently removed some critical library, but is there anything  
else I might look for?Î


Kirk Strauser



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Re: Virally licensed code in FreeBSD kernel

2007-04-14 Thread Brett Glass
At 10:12 AM 4/14/2007, Bill Moran wrote:
 
How is this any worse than the GPLed stuff in /usr/src/contrib?

It's in the kernel. And the announcement went as far as to say that
it is part of FreeBSD.

--Brett

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Re: Virally licensed code in FreeBSD kernel

2007-04-14 Thread Philipp Wuensche
Brett Glass wrote:
 There is a huge problem in that the CDDL is viral. It infects
 products with which it is combined. You can read the text of the
 CDDL at
 
 http://www.opensource.org/licenses/cddl1.php
 
 Section 3.1 of the CDDL is the portion which is essentially equivalent
 to the GPL. 

It basically states that you have to provide the source code for the
stuff that already is under CDDL license if you distribute binaries and
you have to keep the CDDL license for all the code that is already under
CDDL license.

I'm no lawyer but I don't see where this is as viral as GPL. The viral
part is limited to the already CDDL licensed source.

Example:
You create a binary from two source files.

1. one BSD one CDDL. If you distribute this binary, you have to provide
the CDDL part (and all modifications to it) as source under CDDL
license. You are not required to provide the source of the BSD part.

2. one BSD one GPL. If you distribute the binary, you have to provide
the source of both files (and I think you even have to do that under
GPL). That is because GPL requires that all work descended from it falls
under GPL too and all binaries that include GPL code require the
distribution of the source. Thats why it is called viral.

So CDDL does not require to license add-ons under CDDL, GPL does. In
this terms, FreeBSD is basically an add-on to the ZFS module ;-).

greetings,
philipp

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Re: Virally licensed code in FreeBSD kernel

2007-04-14 Thread Colin Percival
Brett Glass wrote:
 There is a huge problem in that the CDDL is viral. It infects
 products with which it is combined.

This is why zfs isn't part of GENERIC.  We've distributed tainted
kernel modules for a long time, and there's nothing wrong with that
-- GPL/CDDL taint doesn't cross dynamic linking.

Colin Percival
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Re: test

2007-04-14 Thread Hangmn

You group of elitist fucks...the unsub link is FUCKING USELESS

On 4/14/07, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


In response to Hangmn [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 GET ME OFF THIS FUCKING LIST

That's a powerfully effective method of getting things done.

First off, the use of the word FUCKING is a well-known method to convince
people to come to your aid.  I believe it was Napoleon who stated, By
inserting 'FUCKING' in front of every FUCKING noun in every FUCKING
sentence, I have managed to motivate my FUCKING soldiers more so than
any other FUCKING method I have tried.

Secondly, the use of all caps is known to be an efficient method of
getting
your point across.  Internet experts agree that mailing lists are very
loud, and the only way you're guaranteed to be heard is to SHOUT all
the time.  I'm glad you've caught on to this fine point of netiquette.

Thirdly, replying to an arbitrary message instead of taking the time to
contact the right people is a fabulously effective method of getting
things
done.  Obviously, the guy who sent this test message, as well as others
who read it are most likely to be the people who can actually _do_
anything
about your problem.

And lastly, leaving out all the details of your problem is guaranteed to
expedite the fix of your problem.  Obviously those details, such as a
copy of an offending message with fully headers, or a list of the steps
you've tried to take in resolution of the problem, would only confused
the technically adept people who could actually research and fix your
problem.  Leaving them out is good practice.


 On 4/11/07, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  Please use the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list for testing.  It avoids
  spamming 1000s of inboxes with test messages.
 
  In response to Bill Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  
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Re: test

2007-04-14 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 01:18:46PM -0400, Hangmn wrote:

 You group of elitist fucks...the unsub link is FUCKING USELESS
 

Sounds like you are the elitist jerk.
A couple of days ago I wrote a long explanation about how 
a person could have trouble getting off a list and also how some
useless idiot could manipulate the system to abusively get people
stuck on the list.   

I suggest you go find that posting and then if you really want off
the list and aren't just hanging here to exploit the opportunity
to run your foul mouth and trash people who are trying to get work
done, then you will try to work with the list administrators and help
them help you get this taken care of.

Abusive language will not help.   It just makes more of us ignore you.

jerry

 On 4/14/07, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 In response to Hangmn [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  GET ME OFF THIS FUCKING LIST
 
 That's a powerfully effective method of getting things done.
 
 First off, the use of the word FUCKING is a well-known method to convince
 people to come to your aid.  I believe it was Napoleon who stated, By
 inserting 'FUCKING' in front of every FUCKING noun in every FUCKING
 sentence, I have managed to motivate my FUCKING soldiers more so than
 any other FUCKING method I have tried.
 
 Secondly, the use of all caps is known to be an efficient method of
 getting
 your point across.  Internet experts agree that mailing lists are very
 loud, and the only way you're guaranteed to be heard is to SHOUT all
 the time.  I'm glad you've caught on to this fine point of netiquette.
 
 Thirdly, replying to an arbitrary message instead of taking the time to
 contact the right people is a fabulously effective method of getting
 things
 done.  Obviously, the guy who sent this test message, as well as others
 who read it are most likely to be the people who can actually _do_
 anything
 about your problem.
 
 And lastly, leaving out all the details of your problem is guaranteed to
 expedite the fix of your problem.  Obviously those details, such as a
 copy of an offending message with fully headers, or a list of the steps
 you've tried to take in resolution of the problem, would only confused
 the technically adept people who could actually research and fix your
 problem.  Leaving them out is good practice.
 
 
  On 4/11/07, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
   Please use the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list for testing.  It avoids
   spamming 1000s of inboxes with test messages.
  
   In response to Bill Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
   
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Re: Virally licensed code in FreeBSD kernel

2007-04-14 Thread Brett Glass

At 10:55 AM 4/14/2007, Philipp Wuensche wrote:


Example:
You create a binary from two source files.

1. one BSD one CDDL. If you distribute this binary, you have to provide
the CDDL part (and all modifications to it) as source under CDDL
license. You are not required to provide the source of the BSD part.


Yes, you are. Because it appears that the whole thing is now covered
by the CDDL.

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Re: Virally licensed code in FreeBSD kernel

2007-04-14 Thread Philipp Wuensche
Brett Glass wrote:
 At 10:55 AM 4/14/2007, Philipp Wuensche wrote:
 
 Example:
 You create a binary from two source files.

 1. one BSD one CDDL. If you distribute this binary, you have to provide
 the CDDL part (and all modifications to it) as source under CDDL
 license. You are not required to provide the source of the BSD part.
 
 Yes, you are. Because it appears that the whole thing is now covered
 by the CDDL.

I can't see any signs for that in the CDDL license, not if you read 3.1
with the Definitions in point 1.
greetings,
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Re: test

2007-04-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 08:22:53AM -0400, Gerard Seibert wrote:
 On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:28:29 +1200
 Juha Saarinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On 4/14/07, Hangmn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   GET ME OFF THIS FUCKING LIST  
  
  No, no, this is the FreeBSD Questions list. The Fucking List is down
  the hall, third door to your right. Just ignore the funny noises
  there.
  
  If you don't want to receive mail from the FreeBSD list in question,
  try this which is found at the end of every message to it:
  
  To unsubscribe, send any mail to
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 Has anyone but me noticed that the morons who request to be removed
 from a list are inevitably 'TOP POSTERS'. They never read to the end of
 a post and therefore are not likely to see the easy to follow
 directions plainly stated there for their perusal.

I've noticed that a lot of unpleasant or inconvenient behavior tends to
go along with top posting, and TOFU in particular.  I've also noticed
that this is not universal -- it's just a trend.  There are a few people
whose only offense is top posting.  They seem to be the exception,
however, rather than the rule.


 
 I used to be an agnostic, but now I'm not so sure.

I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm reconsidering that
position.  I plan to stop procrastinating on making a decision about
that tomorrow.

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Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Garrett Cooper

Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  

First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors
Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI
switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true that
depending on your hardware a FreeBSD workstation or laptop can be a
bit of a challenge.



My issues with FreeBSD as a desktop mostly come from the difficulty of
installing software and keeping it up-to-date: 'pkg_add -r' and
'portupgrade -aP' simply can't hold a candle to 'apt-get install' and
'apt-get dist-upgrade'.

DES
  

My aim is to improve that as part of my SoC project that I'm working on.
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Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:17:20PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors
  Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI
  switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true that
  depending on your hardware a FreeBSD workstation or laptop can be a
  bit of a challenge.
 
 My issues with FreeBSD as a desktop mostly come from the difficulty of
 installing software and keeping it up-to-date: 'pkg_add -r' and
 'portupgrade -aP' simply can't hold a candle to 'apt-get install' and
 'apt-get dist-upgrade'.

What do you find lacking in the FreeBSD approach?  I'm a relatively
recent transplant from Debian, and my experience is that FreeBSD
provides better, more predictable, and more customizable results,
without increasing the difficulty or reducing the convenience at all.

Granted, I haven't really tried the package-based software management
options for FreeBSD in any depth -- I'm mostly installing from source at
this point -- but thus far I haven't any reason to expect package-based
installation to be any less easily managed than source-based installs.

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Re: Virally licensed code in FreeBSD kernel

2007-04-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 14/04/07, Brett Glass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At 10:55 AM 4/14/2007, Philipp Wuensche wrote:

Example:
You create a binary from two source files.

1. one BSD one CDDL. If you distribute this binary, you have to provide
the CDDL part (and all modifications to it) as source under CDDL
license. You are not required to provide the source of the BSD part.

Yes, you are. Because it appears that the whole thing is now covered
by the CDDL.


No, you are not.  Because it appears that the whole thing is not covered
by the CDDL.

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Re: Errors running UNIX-System V ELF executables [I've been hacked!]

2007-04-14 Thread Boris Samorodov
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:51:18 -0600 Dan S. wrote:

 Hello to all,

 Hopefully someone can help me progress past a pair of ELF Binary Type 0 not
 known   ELF Interpreter /compat/linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2 not found
 errors.

Some steps may help you:
1. load linux.ko -- kernel part of linuxulator.
2. install linux base port (don't remember which one was with 4.6.x,
   but try linux_base-8 then linux_base) -- user land part of
   linuxulator; 
3. brand the binary file (not a library or else!).

 Here is the background  problem, bullet point style:

 -  I unfortunately had a hosted  jailed virtual server running FreeBSD
 4.6.2 get broken into via a user account with a weak password. The intruder
 installed at least two binaries: /tmp/ /miro (almost certainly a
 rootkit/backdoor) and /home/$hackeduser/ /psybnc/psybnc (an IRC proxy).
 (Yes, this is a creaky old OS; I've been letting it sit
 dormant/mostly-unused and this is the price I pay for my lax sysadminning.)

 - The hosts were kind enough to provide me with a dump of the jailed server;
 I've now got a fairly minimal install of 4.6.2-RELEASE running under QEMU
 and, inside that, a jail for the image from the hosting providers.

 - The 'psybnc' binary definitely ran on the hosted virtual server; it
 creates a log file and its timestamp  contents were recent. I don't know if
 the 'miro' rootkit was successful or not. I'm crossing my fingers that it
 wasn't, and trying to investigate a bit what it does. kldstat on the
 hosted server didn't show any compatibility files up. (In particular, no '
 linux.ko'; I have loaded that module on the qemu version to see if I could
 get further.)

 - In my qemu freeBSD, under the jail, neither program runs either as root or
 as the hacked user:
  - $HOME/ /psybnc/psybnc  'ELF binary type 0 not known.' (note:
 this is with 'linux.ko' loaded)

That means that this (linux?) file is not branded.

You may test it with 'brandelf the_file'. The (binary!) file should
be branded as 'Linux' to let the FreeBSD system run the file with
linuxulator:
# brandelf -t Linux the_file

  - /tmp/ /miro--- ELF interpreter /compat/linux/lib/ld-
 linux.so.2 not found

That means that userland (linux base port from ports is not
installed).

  - /tmp/ /miro, If I unload linux.ko :   'ELF binary type 0 not
 known.

 - Oddly, both have the exact same (except for offsets) elf headers:

 - readelf -h /tmp/ /miro  -
 ELF Header:
  Magic:   7f 45 4c 46 01 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
  Class: ELF32
  Data:  2's complement, little endian
  Version:   1 (current)
  OS/ABI:UNIX - System V

Should be 'UNIX - Linux' so that FreeBSD recognises it and run with
the linuxulator.

  ABI Version:   0
  Type:  EXEC (Executable file)
  Machine:   Intel 80386
  Version:   0x1
  Entry point address:   0x8048b10
  Start of program headers:  52 (bytes into file)
  Start of section headers:  16944 (bytes into file)
  Flags: 0x0
  Size of this header:   52 (bytes)
  Size of program headers:   32 (bytes)
  Number of program headers: 6
  Size of section headers:   40 (bytes)
  Number of section headers: 30
  Section header string table index: 27

 - readelf -h $HOME/ /psybnc/psybnc --
 ELF Header:
  Magic:   7f 45 4c 46 01 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
  Class: ELF32
  Data:  2's complement, little endian
  Version:   1 (current)
  OS/ABI:UNIX - System V
  ABI Version:   0
  Type:  EXEC (Executable file)
  Machine:   Intel 80386
  Version:   0x1
  Entry point address:   0x8048100
  Start of program headers:  52 (bytes into file)
  Start of section headers:  1295400 (bytes into file)
  Flags: 0x0
  Size of this header:   52 (bytes)
  Size of program headers:   32 (bytes)
  Number of program headers: 4
  Size of section headers:   40 (bytes)
  Number of section headers: 22
  Section header string table index: 21

 ===

 Any advice on how to try and get these to run? I'm really hoping to find out
 if the system as a whole was compromised by the rootkit. The user-acount
 breakin isn't a huge deal but if more was compromised it will be quite bad.

 I'm also happy to send the rootkit/backdoor to anyone who wants to poke at
 it. It contains the string: .-= Backdoor made by Mironov =-.


WBR
-- 
Boris Samorodov (bsam)
Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone  Internet SP
FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power 

Re: Given this evidence, should I be worried that I may have been hacked

2007-04-14 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On April 14, 2007 7:25:46 AM -0400 Jim Stapleton 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Once I opened up SSH to the outside world, my machine has been
hammered once or twice a day most days, with username failures. None
of the  usernames would fit a username on my system (except root), and
I have ssh set to deny root logins, and only use SSH2. Additionally, I
have the following in my login.access (only active entry, the name
have been changed on this, but the three names would appear as 3 and
four character random alphabetical strings):
-:ALL EXCEPT wrbc crr aqp:ALL EXCEPT local

As of the 9th, I've only seen one set of blatant/brute-force attempt
at my ssh server. It's interesting, but the major drop in attempts has
me more worried than the attempts (could this drop off be because they
 no longer need to hack me? Could they have hacked me an that be the
reason why?)

How worried should I be, and what's the best recourse for this?

I have a *lot* of experience with hacked boxes.  They all share at least 
one of three things in common:


1) Not patched up to date
2) Incorrectly (or not at all) configured
3) Weak or default passwords

Those three things are the cause of almost every breakin I've seen.  The 
first is by far the greatest reason for breakins.  The second and third 
are less frequently but still often the case.  It is not at all uncommon 
to find a box running unpatched and unconfigured services that its owner 
had no idea were running.


If you have any of the above conditions, then you have something to be 
concerned about.  If you don't, then the reduction in attacks is most 
likely pure coincidence.


If you don't want your computer broken into:

1) Keep it patched and up to date at *all* times.  Eternal vigilance is 
the watchword.
2) Disable *and* remove all services you do not intend to run.  Don't 
install a program if you aren't going to be using it.
3) If you want to play around with something, configure it to respond to 
localhost *only* or restrict access to known IP addresses.
4) *Always* change default passwords and *never* use weak passwords.  A 
weak password is defined as a password that does not use special 
characters.  Period.  Alphanumeric passwords can resist brute force 
attacks for approximately one week using modern computers.


Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Senior Information Security Analyst
The University of Texas at Dallas
http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/


Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Garrett Cooper

Paul Butler wrote:

Message: 17
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:21:43 -0500
From: Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: I like Ubuntu
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Why is freebsd better then ubuntu?

I find Ubuntu to be a great distro if your goal is to get a great
open-source desktop system up and running quickly, that is easy to
update (albeit not with the latest available applications) and
relatively bug-free.  If you yourself are not able to spend hands-on
time maintaining the system (i.e. for aging parents, in-laws, non-techie
friends) it is a good choice.  Their use of Debian's apt technology is
brilliant.  Their user/developer community is wonderful.

If, however, heart-stopping speed appeals to you, you want intelligently
planned technology with the latest stable applications, you are
operating web servers, or you just plain want to get expertise in real
Unix then there is nothing like FreeBSD.

Merely by living with FreeBSD for a year or two on your desktop or
laptop, you will really deepen your understanding of unix-derived
systems in a way which is not possible with Linux.  This may be very
helpful if you either have or contemplate a career in IT.

Paul Butler
  
My personal take on Ubuntu is that it was a wise decision by some to 
market the Linux distro to disenchanted Windows users -- by having KDE 
be the default DE it makes people feel more at home than having to 
choose something like, say, Enlightenment, Fluxbox, FVWM2, or good old 
TWM. The problem is that it's aimed primarily at people trying to test 
out Linux and transition from Windows, and in many cases tends to choose 
the best option for you, in terms of partitioning your disk, running 
certain apps, etc from what I've heard and read from others, which is 
bad for power users.


Also, it's Linux-based so documentation in terms of manpages are most 
likely non-existent, like with Gentoo Linux.


Just as a followup to the subject line: I like FreeBSD because of its 
solid nature and good system architecture.


Cheers,
-Garrett
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Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Garrett Cooper

Chad Perrin wrote:

On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:17:20PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote:
  

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors
Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI
switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true that
depending on your hardware a FreeBSD workstation or laptop can be a
bit of a challenge.
  

My issues with FreeBSD as a desktop mostly come from the difficulty of
installing software and keeping it up-to-date: 'pkg_add -r' and
'portupgrade -aP' simply can't hold a candle to 'apt-get install' and
'apt-get dist-upgrade'.



What do you find lacking in the FreeBSD approach?  I'm a relatively
recent transplant from Debian, and my experience is that FreeBSD
provides better, more predictable, and more customizable results,
without increasing the difficulty or reducing the convenience at all.

Granted, I haven't really tried the package-based software management
options for FreeBSD in any depth -- I'm mostly installing from source at
this point -- but thus far I haven't any reason to expect package-based
installation to be any less easily managed than source-based installs.
Well, we have some problems sometimes with cyclic dependencies 
(portinstall / portupgrade and friends), and people aren't really happy 
when names of categories / packages get changed (like what's happened 
recently with the revision of some of the port names), because there's a 
bit more work involved 'fixing' everything back to the same state that 
there was before. People also complain that there aren't enough 
offerings in terms of packages, but that's a resources issue from what I 
understand.


Overall though, I do like FreeBSD's ports system better than I do 
debian's apt-get system :). Having to shuffle through all of those menus 
and pages package listings to install stuff was a pain.

-Garrett
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Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Chris
Garrett Cooper wrote:
 Paul Butler wrote:
 Message: 17
 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:21:43 -0500
 From: Claude Menski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: I like Ubuntu
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Message-ID:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

 Why is freebsd better then ubuntu?

 I find Ubuntu to be a great distro if your goal is to get a great
 open-source desktop system up and running quickly, that is easy to
 update (albeit not with the latest available applications) and
 relatively bug-free.  If you yourself are not able to spend hands-on
 time maintaining the system (i.e. for aging parents, in-laws, non-techie
 friends) it is a good choice.  Their use of Debian's apt technology is
 brilliant.  Their user/developer community is wonderful.

 If, however, heart-stopping speed appeals to you, you want intelligently
 planned technology with the latest stable applications, you are
 operating web servers, or you just plain want to get expertise in real
 Unix then there is nothing like FreeBSD.

 Merely by living with FreeBSD for a year or two on your desktop or
 laptop, you will really deepen your understanding of unix-derived
 systems in a way which is not possible with Linux.  This may be very
 helpful if you either have or contemplate a career in IT.

 Paul Butler
   
 My personal take on Ubuntu is that it was a wise decision by some to
 market the Linux distro to disenchanted Windows users -- by having KDE
 be the default DE it makes people feel more at home than having to
 choose something like, say, Enlightenment, Fluxbox, FVWM2, or good old
 TWM. The problem is that it's aimed primarily at people trying to test
 out Linux and transition from Windows, and in many cases tends to choose
 the best option for you, in terms of partitioning your disk, running
 certain apps, etc from what I've heard and read from others, which is
 bad for power users.
 
 Also, it's Linux-based so documentation in terms of manpages are most
 likely non-existent, like with Gentoo Linux.
 
 Just as a followup to the subject line: I like FreeBSD because of its
 solid nature and good system architecture.
 
 Cheers,
 -Garrett

Actually - Ubuntu's default isn't KDE, it's Gnome. Kubuntu is what you
want if you prefer the K environment - however, that's not to say that
if you install Ubuntu, you can't install KDE (or XFCE4 - that happens to
 be Xubuntu).


-- 
Best regards,
Chris

BOFH excuse #158:

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Server Load

2007-04-14 Thread Grant Peel
Hi all,

Last week I enabled DEFLATE in apache. I have since disabled it, due to it (I 
think), sotting the serever load sky high.

Since disableing it, the server load has not decreased by much, but I have 
narrowed it down to Apache (2.2) or mysqld that is shooting the load up.

The high server loads started last Monday morning, and continued all week.(up 
and down through the days and nights).

I was wondering if anyone knows of a way (or a utility) that can monitor apache 
and mysql at the domain level to help troublshoot where the root problem lies.

FreeBSD 6.2
Mysql 4.1.21
php 4.4.4

-Grant
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Re: Virally licensed code in FreeBSD kernel

2007-04-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 10:47:09AM -0600, Brett Glass wrote:
 At 10:12 AM 4/14/2007, Bill Moran wrote:
  
 How is this any worse than the GPLed stuff in /usr/src/contrib?
 
 It's in the kernel. And the announcement went as far as to say that
 it is part of FreeBSD.

From what I've seen thus far, it seems that it's not part of the
standard kernel.  It's just something that *can be* part of the kernel.

If you don't want to use it, don't.  I don't have a problem with it
being offered in the ports tree, as long as it's not part of the default
install.

I do share your wariness of licenses like the CDDL.  One of the reasons
I looked into FreeBSD in the first place was a decision to look for ways
to escape the GPL's ubiquity in Linux-land.  I just don't think it's
being included with FreeBSD in an inappropriate manner.  I'd like to
know about it if you have some evidence to the contrary.

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Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread doug

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors
Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI
switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true that
depending on your hardware a FreeBSD workstation or laptop can be a
bit of a challenge.


My issues with FreeBSD as a desktop mostly come from the difficulty of
installing software and keeping it up-to-date: 'pkg_add -r' and
'portupgrade -aP' simply can't hold a candle to 'apt-get install' and
'apt-get dist-upgrade'.


Because of my background, the things that were/are wrong with packages and ports 
led me to learn much more about FreeBSD. I chose to answer your email not 
because of any disagreement with what you said, but to offer up the idea that at 
least in selected instances there might be something to learn from doing this.


In my case this included leaning to think in 'Unix', and reaching an 
understanding with (rather than of) regular expressions, sed, and awk.


My workstation/laptop hardware does not really allow the option of building 
things like KDE and OpenOffice, so I upgrade basically by starting over with 
packages. I usually can do this in an hour or so. When I first started, I found 
the differences between BSDI, FreeBSD, and Linux confusing. Now mostly its more 
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Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Garrett Cooper

Chad Perrin wrote:

On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:57:44AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
  
Well, we have some problems sometimes with cyclic dependencies 
(portinstall / portupgrade and friends), and people aren't really happy 
when names of categories / packages get changed (like what's happened 
recently with the revision of some of the port names), because there's a 
bit more work involved 'fixing' everything back to the same state that 
there was before. People also complain that there aren't enough 
offerings in terms of packages, but that's a resources issue from what I 
understand.


As for enough packages . . . if you mean software in general, in the
ports tree, I'd find it pretty difficult to complain.  There's only one
Linux distribution with more software in its archives than in the
FreeBSD ports tree (Debian, of course), and it's only about a fifteen
percent increase in available software last I checked.  Considering
FreeBSD offers something more like a 500% increase over Fedora (again,
last I checked), I don't have a lot of problems of software availability
with FreeBSD.  Is there a significant difference in available software
between ports and packages?  Is that the problem?
  
True. That's the one reason why I had no problem completely leaving 
Redhat 2 years back :). As for the complaints about packages, it's 
probably just the compile times and the fact that many users like the 
fact that they could install and setup a complete system in the 
approximately same amount of time as a Redhat based system (15mins ~ 1.5 
hours, depending on the options and computing resources available -- 
assuming you have a decent internet connection :)..).

In fact, despite the greater number of packages in Debian's archives, I
find that in practice I find what I actually want/need more often in
FreeBSD's ports tree.  That is, of course, highly subjective.
  

Well, yes and that's subjective, like you've said.
Overall though, I do like FreeBSD's ports system better than I do 
debian's apt-get system :). Having to shuffle through all of those menus 
and pages package listings to install stuff was a pain.



One thing I prefer about APT over FreeBSD's ports tree is the greater
ease and flexibility of searching for what I need.  The apt-cache search
command is great.  I'm also a little confused by the failure of whereis
to return expected results when I'm looking for a specific port.  These
are things I can work around, however -- unlike some of the things that
have blown up in my face when using APT.
  
Most likely because you're still using (t)csh and (t)csh needs to run 
rehash in order to see newly installed ports / applications.


There's always (a)sh in the base system, and bash available in ports 
(shells/bash). I personally prefer bash to tcsh, but that's my deal.


-Garrett
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Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Garrett Cooper

Chad Perrin wrote:

On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:52:18AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
  
Also, it's Linux-based so documentation in terms of manpages are most 
likely non-existent, like with Gentoo Linux.



That's by no means universal among Linux distributions.  Debian actually
provides better manpage coverage than FreeBSD, for instance.
But some of the manpages are out of date, like for the coreutils (I 
think mv/cp was one of them?). I like the comment in there about 
Stallman liking infopages but Debian-ites having to create a manpage :). 
I personally hate infopages, but that's me.


-Garrett
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Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors
 Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI
 switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true that
 depending on your hardware a FreeBSD workstation or laptop can be a
 bit of a challenge.

 My issues with FreeBSD as a desktop mostly come from the difficulty of
 installing software and keeping it up-to-date: 'pkg_add -r' and
 'portupgrade -aP' simply can't hold a candle to 'apt-get install' and
 'apt-get dist-upgrade'.


 Because of my background, the things that were/are wrong with packages
 and ports led me to learn much more about FreeBSD. I chose to answer
 your email not because of any disagreement with what you said, but to
 offer up the idea that at least in selected instances there might be
 something to learn from doing this.
 
 In my case this included leaning to think in 'Unix', and reaching an
 understanding with (rather than of) regular expressions, sed, and awk.
 
 My workstation/laptop hardware does not really allow the option of
 building things like KDE and OpenOffice, so I upgrade basically by
 starting over with packages. I usually can do this in an hour or so.
 When I first started, I found the differences between BSDI, FreeBSD, and
 Linux confusing. Now mostly its more of an irritant than having to use
 my son's mac to watch ESPN videos.

To me, this is where Ubuntu (I can't speak for other Linux distros) is
the clear winner over FreeBSD on the desktop. Ubuntu is near
out-of-the-box when it comes to media (audio/video/etc) of any sort.

Sure, there are a few  steps to get it all to gel - but once you enter a
few lines (or if you prefer point-n-click) - you never have to worry
about media working again (trust me, I used to keep a Windows box just
to do the things I mentioned).

Again - I'm talking about a desktop use. I have used Ubuntu server (both
i386 and sparc) and FreeBSD is still my fav. however, Ubuntu (for
installing LAMP) is nearly even w/FreeBSD.

To me, apt-get is certainly cleaner and superior to
portupgrade/portmanager. Perhaps someday either or will be as reliable
as apt-get.

Just my opinions of course.


-- 
Best regards,
Chris

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Re: Virally licensed code in FreeBSD kernel

2007-04-14 Thread Philipp Wuensche
Chad Perrin wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 06:55:39PM +0200, Philipp Wuensche wrote:
 Brett Glass wrote:

 So CDDL does not require to license add-ons under CDDL, GPL does. In
 this terms, FreeBSD is basically an add-on to the ZFS module ;-).
 
 The most relevant part of the CDDL seems to be section 3.6, Larger
 Works:
 
   You may create a Larger Work by combining Covered Software with other
   code not governed by the terms of this License and distribute the
   Larger Work as a single product. In such a case, You must make sure the
   requirements of this License are fulfilled for the Covered Software.
 
 The term Covered Software is defined in a sufficiently ambiguous
 manner that a court battle over whether or not a Larger Work would be
 subject, in full, to the terms of the CDDL would probably be decided in
 favor of the guy with more money:
 
   Covered Software means (a) the Original Software, or (b)
   Modifications, or (c) the combination of files containing Original
   Software with files containing Modifications, in each case including
   portions thereof.

But the rest of the BSD system does not fall under Original Software,
Modifications or combination of both as they are defined in this
licsense. As I see it, it just states that everything under CDDL in the
Larger Work has to be handled like that, this does not include the
rest of the Larger Work which would be code not governed by the terms
of this License.

They explicitly state: In such a case, You must make sure the
requirements of this License are fulfilled for the _Covered Software_.
So the requirements must be fullfilled for software under CDDL, and not
for code not governed by the terms of this License (code under BSD in
our case).

greetings,
philipp


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Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread doug



On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Chad Perrin wrote:


On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:17:20PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

First my experience with [Free]BSD as a server completely mirrors
Dag-Erling's observation, it [mostly] just works. I started with BSDI
switching to FreeBSD around 3.5. I think it is also true that
depending on your hardware a FreeBSD workstation or laptop can be a
bit of a challenge.


My issues with FreeBSD as a desktop mostly come from the difficulty of
installing software and keeping it up-to-date: 'pkg_add -r' and
'portupgrade -aP' simply can't hold a candle to 'apt-get install' and
'apt-get dist-upgrade'.


What do you find lacking in the FreeBSD approach?  I'm a relatively
recent transplant from Debian, and my experience is that FreeBSD
provides better, more predictable, and more customizable results,
without increasing the difficulty or reducing the convenience at all.


As far as this goes nothing. I use FreeBSD exclusively on production servers, 
and workstations. My laptop I dual boot with windows which I only use to 
duplicate costomer problems and keep up with the latest (and greatest?) changes 
to the Outlooks.



Granted, I haven't really tried the package-based software management
options for FreeBSD in any depth -- I'm mostly installing from source at
this point -- but thus far I haven't any reason to expect package-based
installation to be any less easily managed than source-based installs.

Here (I think) there are some things that could be better. The installation can 
be tricky depending on one's background, but I did not follow the maxum, if you 
don't like it, make it better. Portupgrade does not work for me because all my
desktops are too small, too slow. In a (my) perfect world portmanager would 
allow the use of packages.


For some the fact that flash, java, and openoffice can be difficult to install 
are issues. I am an advocate for the FreeBSD desktop.

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Re: Server Load

2007-04-14 Thread Martin Hudec

Grant Peel wrote:

Last week I enabled DEFLATE in apache. I have since disabled it, due to it (I 
think), sotting the serever load sky high.
Since disableing it, the server load has not decreased by much, but I have 
narrowed it down to Apache (2.2) or mysqld that is shooting the load up.
The high server loads started last Monday morning, and continued all week.(up 
and down through the days and nights).

I was wondering if anyone knows of a way (or a utility) that can monitor apache 
and mysql at the domain level to help troublshoot where the root problem lies.

FreeBSD 6.2
Mysql 4.1.21
php 4.4.4


As for mysql, you can use databases/mytop for monitoring the performance 
of mysql database. Also you can use mysql logging options to check (like 
 log-slow-queries etc.).


As for apache, there is pretty ExtendedStatus option and server-status 
location (see httpd.conf). Also sysutils/apachetop for monitoring the 
performance of apache server.


Note that both utilities are not for unattended use.

kind regards,
Martin Hudec
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Re: Virally licensed code in FreeBSD kernel

2007-04-14 Thread Brett Glass
At 12:27 PM 4/14/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
No, you are not.  Because it appears that the whole thing is not covered
by the CDDL.

Read the license. If you distribute a product that includes the code, you are 
bound by the obligations listed in the license (to distribute source code, not 
ever to patent anything, to give up firstborn children, etc.). So, FreeBSD is 
covered by the license. You can't use it freely. It is no longer free.

--Brett Glass

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Re: FreeBSD Native JDK/JRE

2007-04-14 Thread patrick

You could also just install the pre-built, Sun-sanctioned build:

http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/downloads/java.shtml

On 3/3/07, Chris Bowlby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

 As luck would have it, 2 minutes after posting this message, I managed
to find this URL:

 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2006-August/129252.html

Which addresses most of my issues, now I just have to work past a
compiler error (I think due to sun-jdk-1.4 having been installed)..

 Thanks.

Chris Bowlby wrote:
 Hi,

 I've been attempting to install java/jdk15 into a jail under FreeBSD
 6.2 and have been running into some issues. I have appended a trimmed
 out version of the output I get during an installation to the end of
 the message.

 From what I can tell, it's attempting to install some Linux emulation
 components and this is where I get stuck. I've not been able to find
 any information that would help me either manually mount the
 partitions so they are visible inside a jail (I am not sure if this is
 even possible anymore), or to work around this particular issue and
 just do a native installation.

 Can anyone offer up any help?


 mail# portinstall java/jdk15
 ---  Installing 'jdk-1.5.0p4' from a port (java/jdk15)
 ---  Building '/usr/ports/java/jdk15'
 ===  Cleaning for unzip-5.52_2
 ===  Cleaning for m4-1.4.8_1
 ===  Cleaning for zip-2.32
 ===  Cleaning for open-motif-2.2.3_2
 ===  Cleaning for linux-sun-jdk-1.4.2.13
 ===  Cleaning for gmake-3.81_1
 ===  Cleaning for libiconv-1.9.2_2
 ===  Cleaning for javavmwrapper-2.3
 ===  Cleaning for libtool-1.5.22_3
 ===  Cleaning for xorg-libraries-6.9.0_1
 ===  Cleaning for imake-6.9.0_1
 ===  Cleaning for linux_base-fc-4_9
 ===  Cleaning for linux-xorg-libs-6.8.2_5
 ===  Cleaning for gettext-0.14.5_2
 ===  Cleaning for libdrm-2.0.2
 ===  Cleaning for freetype2-2.2.1_1
 ===  Cleaning for fontconfig-2.3.2_6,1
 ===  Cleaning for perl-5.8.8
 ===  Cleaning for rpm-3.0.6_13
 ===  Cleaning for linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_5
 ===  Cleaning for pkg-config-0.21
 ===  Cleaning for expat-2.0.0_1
 ===  Cleaning for automake-1.4.6_2
 ===  Cleaning for autoconf-2.13.000227_5
 ===  Cleaning for popt-1.7_2
 ===  Cleaning for linux-expat-1.95.8
 ===  Cleaning for jdk-1.5.0p4
 ===  Vulnerability check disabled, database not found
 ===  Found saved configuration for jdk-1.5.0p4

 IMPORTANT: To build JDK 1.5.0 port, you should have at least
 2.5Gb of free disk space in build area!

 IMPORTANT: To build JDK 1.5.0 port, you should have linux emulation
 enabled in the kernel and linux procfs (linprocfs) filesystem
 mounted.

 ===  Extracting for jdk-1.5.0p4
 = MD5 Checksum OK for jdk-1_5_0-src-scsl.zip.
 = SHA256 Checksum OK for jdk-1_5_0-src-scsl.zip.
 = MD5 Checksum OK for jdk-1_5_0-bin-scsl.zip.
 = SHA256 Checksum OK for jdk-1_5_0-bin-scsl.zip.
 = MD5 Checksum OK for bsd-jdk15-patches-4.tar.bz2.
 = SHA256 Checksum OK for bsd-jdk15-patches-4.tar.bz2.
 ===   jdk-1.5.0p4 depends on executable in : unzip - found
 ===  Patching for jdk-1.5.0p4
 Hmm...  Looks like a unified diff to me...
 The text leading up to this was:
 --
 |Index: control/make/Makefile
 |===
 |RCS file: /var/jcvs/javasrc_1_5_scsl/control/make/Makefile,v
 |retrieving revision 1.1.1.1
 |retrieving revision 1.3
 |diff -u -r1.1.1.1 -r1.3
 |--- control/make/Makefile  8 Nov 2004 22:26:52 -   1.1.1.1
 |+++ control/make/Makefile  23 Dec 2004 19:28:25 -  1.3
 --
 Patching file control/make/Makefile using Plan A...
 Hunk #1 succeeded at 12.
 Hunk #2 succeeded at 69.
 Hmm...  The next patch looks like a unified diff to me...
 The text leading up to this was:
 ... SNIP ...
 done
 ===  Applying FreeBSD patches for jdk-1.5.0p4
 /usr/bin/sed -i.bak -e s:%%PREFIX%%:/usr/local:g  -e
 s:%%JDK_VERSION%%:1.5.0:g
 
/usr/ports/java/jdk15/work/control/make/../../deploy/src/plugin/solaris/controlpanel/sun_java.desktop

 ===   jdk-1.5.0p4 depends on executable in : gm4 - found
 ===   jdk-1.5.0p4 depends on executable in : zip - found
 ===   jdk-1.5.0p4 depends on file: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so - found
 ===   jdk-1.5.0p4 depends on file:
 /usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/bin/javac - found
 ===   jdk-1.5.0p4 depends on executable in : gmake - found
 ===   jdk-1.5.0p4 depends on shared library: iconv.3 - found
 ===  Configuring for jdk-1.5.0p4
 ===  Building for jdk-1.5.0p4
 ERROR: You must have LINPROCFS mounted before
 starting to build the native JDK 1.5.0.

 You may do it with the following commands:

 # kldload linprocfs

 and

 # mount -t linprocfs linprocfs /compat/linux/proc

 *** Error code 1

 Stop in /usr/ports/java/jdk15.
 ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa
 /tmp/portinstall.7259.0 env make
 ** Fix the problem and try again.
 ** Listing the failed packages (*:skipped / !:failed)
! java/jdk15(unknown build error)
 ---  Packages processed: 0 done, 0 ignored, 0 skipped and 1 

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Parv
in message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
wrote Paul Butler thusly...

 If, however, heart-stopping speed appeals to you, you want
 intelligently planned technology with the latest stable
 applications, you are operating web servers, or you just plain
 want to get expertise in real Unix then there is nothing like
 FreeBSD.
 
 Merely by living with FreeBSD for a year or two on your desktop or
 laptop, you will really deepen your understanding of unix-derived
 systems in a way which is not possible with Linux.  This may be
 very helpful if you either have or contemplate a career in IT.

I note that Paul mentioned IT not a Unix System Administration.
So consider the following as my rant.

There seems to be no entity which offers *entry level* Unix System
Administration position to those not already living in immediate
surrounding area (even if one is willing to relocate (at one's own
expense)).  And Junior positions require near 3 years of Unix or
Linux *paid* experience.

In my experience, the Unix knowledge  experience gained by using
FreeBSD (despite the number of years using it) on a machine
connected to Internet  -- but not actively taking part in LAN-y
things like internal DNS, file- and backup/restore server,
heterogeneous computing environment, etc. -- can help only for
non-system administration positions.


  - Parv

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Re: FreeBSD Native JDK/JRE

2007-04-14 Thread Garrett Cooper

patrick wrote:

You could also just install the pre-built, Sun-sanctioned build:

http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/downloads/java.shtml

On 3/3/07, Chris Bowlby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

 As luck would have it, 2 minutes after posting this message, I managed
to find this URL:

 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2006-August/129252.html 



Which addresses most of my issues, now I just have to work past a
compiler error (I think due to sun-jdk-1.4 having been installed)..

 Thanks.

Chris Bowlby wrote:
 Hi,

 I've been attempting to install java/jdk15 into a jail under FreeBSD
 6.2 and have been running into some issues. I have appended a trimmed
 out version of the output I get during an installation to the end of
 the message.

 From what I can tell, it's attempting to install some Linux emulation
 components and this is where I get stuck. I've not been able to find
 any information that would help me either manually mount the
 partitions so they are visible inside a jail (I am not sure if this is
 even possible anymore), or to work around this particular issue and
 just do a native installation.

 Can anyone offer up any help?


 mail# portinstall java/jdk15
 ---  Installing 'jdk-1.5.0p4' from a port (java/jdk15)
 ---  Building '/usr/ports/java/jdk15'
 ===  Cleaning for unzip-5.52_2
 ===  Cleaning for m4-1.4.8_1
 ===  Cleaning for zip-2.32
 ===  Cleaning for open-motif-2.2.3_2
 ===  Cleaning for linux-sun-jdk-1.4.2.13
 ===  Cleaning for gmake-3.81_1
 ===  Cleaning for libiconv-1.9.2_2
 ===  Cleaning for javavmwrapper-2.3
 ===  Cleaning for libtool-1.5.22_3
 ===  Cleaning for xorg-libraries-6.9.0_1
 ===  Cleaning for imake-6.9.0_1
 ===  Cleaning for linux_base-fc-4_9
 ===  Cleaning for linux-xorg-libs-6.8.2_5
 ===  Cleaning for gettext-0.14.5_2
 ===  Cleaning for libdrm-2.0.2
 ===  Cleaning for freetype2-2.2.1_1
 ===  Cleaning for fontconfig-2.3.2_6,1
 ===  Cleaning for perl-5.8.8
 ===  Cleaning for rpm-3.0.6_13
 ===  Cleaning for linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_5
 ===  Cleaning for pkg-config-0.21
 ===  Cleaning for expat-2.0.0_1
 ===  Cleaning for automake-1.4.6_2
 ===  Cleaning for autoconf-2.13.000227_5
 ===  Cleaning for popt-1.7_2
 ===  Cleaning for linux-expat-1.95.8
 ===  Cleaning for jdk-1.5.0p4
 ===  Vulnerability check disabled, database not found
 ===  Found saved configuration for jdk-1.5.0p4

 IMPORTANT: To build JDK 1.5.0 port, you should have at least
 2.5Gb of free disk space in build area!

 IMPORTANT: To build JDK 1.5.0 port, you should have linux emulation
 enabled in the kernel and linux procfs (linprocfs) filesystem
 mounted.

 ===  Extracting for jdk-1.5.0p4
 = MD5 Checksum OK for jdk-1_5_0-src-scsl.zip.
 = SHA256 Checksum OK for jdk-1_5_0-src-scsl.zip.
 = MD5 Checksum OK for jdk-1_5_0-bin-scsl.zip.
 = SHA256 Checksum OK for jdk-1_5_0-bin-scsl.zip.
 = MD5 Checksum OK for bsd-jdk15-patches-4.tar.bz2.
 = SHA256 Checksum OK for bsd-jdk15-patches-4.tar.bz2.
 ===   jdk-1.5.0p4 depends on executable in : unzip - found
 ===  Patching for jdk-1.5.0p4
 Hmm...  Looks like a unified diff to me...
 The text leading up to this was:
 --
 |Index: control/make/Makefile
 |===
 |RCS file: /var/jcvs/javasrc_1_5_scsl/control/make/Makefile,v
 |retrieving revision 1.1.1.1
 |retrieving revision 1.3
 |diff -u -r1.1.1.1 -r1.3
 |--- control/make/Makefile  8 Nov 2004 22:26:52 -   
1.1.1.1

 |+++ control/make/Makefile  23 Dec 2004 19:28:25 -  1.3
 --
 Patching file control/make/Makefile using Plan A...
 Hunk #1 succeeded at 12.
 Hunk #2 succeeded at 69.
 Hmm...  The next patch looks like a unified diff to me...
 The text leading up to this was:
 ... SNIP ...
 done
 ===  Applying FreeBSD patches for jdk-1.5.0p4
 /usr/bin/sed -i.bak -e s:%%PREFIX%%:/usr/local:g  -e
 s:%%JDK_VERSION%%:1.5.0:g
 
/usr/ports/java/jdk15/work/control/make/../../deploy/src/plugin/solaris/controlpanel/sun_java.desktop 



 ===   jdk-1.5.0p4 depends on executable in : gm4 - found
 ===   jdk-1.5.0p4 depends on executable in : zip - found
 ===   jdk-1.5.0p4 depends on file: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so - found
 ===   jdk-1.5.0p4 depends on file:
 /usr/local/linux-sun-jdk1.4.2/bin/javac - found
 ===   jdk-1.5.0p4 depends on executable in : gmake - found
 ===   jdk-1.5.0p4 depends on shared library: iconv.3 - found
 ===  Configuring for jdk-1.5.0p4
 ===  Building for jdk-1.5.0p4
 ERROR: You must have LINPROCFS mounted before
 starting to build the native JDK 1.5.0.

 You may do it with the following commands:

 # kldload linprocfs

 and

 # mount -t linprocfs linprocfs /compat/linux/proc

 *** Error code 1

 Stop in /usr/ports/java/jdk15.
 ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa
 /tmp/portinstall.7259.0 env make
 ** Fix the problem and try again.
 ** Listing the failed packages (*:skipped / !:failed)
! java/jdk15(unknown build error)
 ---  Packages processed: 0 done, 0 

Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 02:34:29PM -0500, Chris wrote:
 
 To me, apt-get is certainly cleaner and superior to
 portupgrade/portmanager. Perhaps someday either or will be as reliable
 as apt-get.
 
 Just my opinions of course.

In my experience, portupgrade is more reliable than apt-get.  I have
seen a number of packages fail to upgrade cleanly in Debian over the
last year -- more often than with portupgrade -- and when there's a
failure of the APT system it can be much more difficult to fix the
problem than it is with the ports tree.  Could you provide some specific
details about your experiences with APT and the ports tree that provide
a clearer picture of why you have arrived at these conclusions?  I'm
curious, and would like to know if there are problems ahead of which I
should be aware.

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Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:34:46PM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
 But some of the manpages are out of date, like for the coreutils (I 
 think mv/cp was one of them?). I like the comment in there about 
 Stallman liking infopages but Debian-ites having to create a manpage :). 
 I personally hate infopages, but that's me.

It's not just you.  I loathe the damned things.  That's really the only
problem I've ever had with Debian documentation -- for current and
complete documentation, once in a while you have to look at the infopage
instead of a manpage.

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Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 04:15:43PM -0400, Parv wrote:
 in message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 wrote Paul Butler thusly...
 
  If, however, heart-stopping speed appeals to you, you want
  intelligently planned technology with the latest stable
  applications, you are operating web servers, or you just plain
  want to get expertise in real Unix then there is nothing like
  FreeBSD.
  
  Merely by living with FreeBSD for a year or two on your desktop or
  laptop, you will really deepen your understanding of unix-derived
  systems in a way which is not possible with Linux.  This may be
  very helpful if you either have or contemplate a career in IT.
 
 I note that Paul mentioned IT not a Unix System Administration.
 So consider the following as my rant.
 
 There seems to be no entity which offers *entry level* Unix System
 Administration position to those not already living in immediate
 surrounding area (even if one is willing to relocate (at one's own
 expense)).  And Junior positions require near 3 years of Unix or
 Linux *paid* experience.
 
 In my experience, the Unix knowledge  experience gained by using
 FreeBSD (despite the number of years using it) on a machine
 connected to Internet  -- but not actively taking part in LAN-y
 things like internal DNS, file- and backup/restore server,
 heterogeneous computing environment, etc. -- can help only for
 non-system administration positions.

If by help you mean help you get hired, I agree -- unfortunately.

Speaking in terms of skills, on the other hand, I have to disagree.  For
instance, my first year of using Debian as my primary desktop OS made me
a far better MS Windows admin than I ever had been before, despite my
certifications, education, and experience with MS Windows networks prior
to that point.  I suppose that learning more OSes can make one a far
better admin in the OSes one already knew, in a manner similar to the
way learning Haskell, Lisp, or Smalltalk can make one a better C, Java,
or Perl programmer.

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others we should be glad of an Opportunity to serve others by any
Invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously.
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Re: Virally licensed code in FreeBSD kernel

2007-04-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 09:09:46PM +0200, Philipp Wuensche wrote:
 Chad Perrin wrote:
  On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 06:55:39PM +0200, Philipp Wuensche wrote:
  Brett Glass wrote:
 
  So CDDL does not require to license add-ons under CDDL, GPL does. In
  this terms, FreeBSD is basically an add-on to the ZFS module ;-).
  
  The most relevant part of the CDDL seems to be section 3.6, Larger
  Works:
  
You may create a Larger Work by combining Covered Software with other
code not governed by the terms of this License and distribute the
Larger Work as a single product. In such a case, You must make sure the
requirements of this License are fulfilled for the Covered Software.
  
  The term Covered Software is defined in a sufficiently ambiguous
  manner that a court battle over whether or not a Larger Work would be
  subject, in full, to the terms of the CDDL would probably be decided in
  favor of the guy with more money:
  
Covered Software means (a) the Original Software, or (b)
Modifications, or (c) the combination of files containing Original
Software with files containing Modifications, in each case including
portions thereof.
 
 But the rest of the BSD system does not fall under Original Software,
 Modifications or combination of both as they are defined in this
 licsense. As I see it, it just states that everything under CDDL in the
 Larger Work has to be handled like that, this does not include the
 rest of the Larger Work which would be code not governed by the terms
 of this License.

We're discussing what constitutes code not goverened by the terms of
this license, so until that's settled you can't really use that phrase
as justification for your argument.  Note, for instance, that it makes
no reference to code that was not already governed by this license.
Thus, we don't know from that statement whether additional code as part
of a Larger Work is excluded by that statement.


 
 They explicitly state: In such a case, You must make sure the
 requirements of this License are fulfilled for the _Covered Software_.
 So the requirements must be fullfilled for software under CDDL, and not
 for code not governed by the terms of this License (code under BSD in
 our case).

The question here is whether code previously not governed by the terms
of this license is now governed by the terms of this license.  As
things currently stand, and with the ambiguous phrasing of the license,
it appears to me that this issue cannot be definitively settled without
a judicial decision (or alteration of the CDDL to clarify the matter).

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linux-flashplugin9 with Mozilla Firefox

2007-04-14 Thread Olivier Regnier

Hello,

I'm running FreeBSD 6.2 with Mozilla Firefox |2.0.0.3,1 and i tried to 
install linux-flashplugin9.


First step, i installed |linuxpluginwrapper :
|cd /usr/ports/www/linuxpluginwrapper  make install clean|

Step two, linux flash plugin:
|cd /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplugin9  make install clean

Step tree, i made 2 symbolic links :
|cd /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/
ln -s /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/flashplayer.xpt
|ln -s /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so|

and  i copied the libmap.conf file in /etc directory :
cp /usr/local/share/examples/linuxpluginwrapper/libmap.conf-FreeBSD6 
/etc/libmap.conf


When i open my browser, i have nothing with about:plugins. I think 
flash9.so doesnt exist no ?


Can you help me please ? Thank you :)

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Re: Virally licensed code in FreeBSD kernel

2007-04-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 01:27:15PM -0600, Brett Glass wrote:
 At 12:27 PM 4/14/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 No, you are not.  Because it appears that the whole thing is not covered
 by the CDDL.
 
 Read the license. If you distribute a product that includes the code, you are 
 bound by the obligations listed in the license (to distribute source code, 
 not ever to patent anything, to give up firstborn children, etc.). So, 
 FreeBSD is covered by the license. You can't use it freely. It is no longer 
 free.
 

If the CDDL code is distributed separately (as in: not mixed with, or
compiled together with, other software in FreeBSD), the other code is in
no way at risk of being made less free.  As long as the CDDL code is not
part of the default install in a manner that affects the licensing of
other code, the statement it is no longer free is inaccurate,
regardless of the terms of the CDDL (within limits of reason).

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Re: Virally licensed code in FreeBSD kernel

2007-04-14 Thread Erik Osterholm
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 02:36:24PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 09:09:46PM +0200, Philipp Wuensche wrote:
  Chad Perrin wrote:
   On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 06:55:39PM +0200, Philipp Wuensche wrote:
   Brett Glass wrote:
  
   So CDDL does not require to license add-ons under CDDL, GPL does. In
   this terms, FreeBSD is basically an add-on to the ZFS module ;-).
   
   The most relevant part of the CDDL seems to be section 3.6, Larger
   Works:
   
 You may create a Larger Work by combining Covered Software with other
 code not governed by the terms of this License and distribute the
 Larger Work as a single product. In such a case, You must make sure the
 requirements of this License are fulfilled for the Covered Software.
   
   The term Covered Software is defined in a sufficiently ambiguous
   manner that a court battle over whether or not a Larger Work would be
   subject, in full, to the terms of the CDDL would probably be decided in
   favor of the guy with more money:
   
 Covered Software means (a) the Original Software, or (b)
 Modifications, or (c) the combination of files containing Original
 Software with files containing Modifications, in each case including
 portions thereof.
  
  But the rest of the BSD system does not fall under Original Software,
  Modifications or combination of both as they are defined in this
  licsense. As I see it, it just states that everything under CDDL in the
  Larger Work has to be handled like that, this does not include the
  rest of the Larger Work which would be code not governed by the terms
  of this License.

 We're discussing what constitutes code not goverened by the terms of
 this license, so until that's settled you can't really use that phrase
 as justification for your argument.  Note, for instance, that it makes
 no reference to code that was not already governed by this license.
 Thus, we don't know from that statement whether additional code as part
 of a Larger Work is excluded by that statement.

Except that code not governed by the terms of this license seems
obvious.  If code is not released under the CDDL, it is not governed
by the CDDL.  FreeBSD is not released under the CDDL.  FreeBSD is not
governed by the CDDL.


  They explicitly state: In such a case, You must make sure the
  requirements of this License are fulfilled for the _Covered Software_.
  So the requirements must be fullfilled for software under CDDL, and not
  for code not governed by the terms of this License (code under BSD in
  our case).

 The question here is whether code previously not governed by the terms
 of this license is now governed by the terms of this license.  As
 things currently stand, and with the ambiguous phrasing of the license,
 it appears to me that this issue cannot be definitively settled without
 a judicial decision (or alteration of the CDDL to clarify the matter).

But 3.6 only requires that the requirements of the License are
fulfilled for the Covered Software.  It doesn't say that the
requirements of the License must be fulfilled for the Larger Work.

Covered Software is clearly defined, and the other parts of FreeBSD
do not fall under this definition.

It could definitely use some clarification just to prevent silly
arguments like this one, but it seems clear enough to me that FreeBSD
is still free, and that the ZFS modules and source are still CDDL.

Erik
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Re: Virally licensed code in FreeBSD kernel

2007-04-14 Thread Brett Glass
At 10:01 AM 4/14/2007, Colin Percival wrote:
 
GPL/CDDL taint doesn't cross dynamic linking.

Richard Stallman claims it does. The proposed Version 3 of the GPL makes it 
even more explicit. 

--Brett Glass

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Re: Virally licensed code in FreeBSD kernel

2007-04-14 Thread Juha Saarinen

On 4/15/07, Brett Glass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At 10:01 AM 4/14/2007, Colin Percival wrote:

GPL/CDDL taint doesn't cross dynamic linking.

Richard Stallman claims it does. The proposed Version 3 of the GPL makes it 
even more explicit.



Look... instead of letting this degenerate into one of those
mega-message threads that do nothing apart from annoying people and
gunking up their email, why don't you get some proper legal opinion
this and let the list know?


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USB key device nodes

2007-04-14 Thread Michael W. Lucas


Hi,

This strikes me as odd.  I have a 1GB USB pocketknife that doesn't
give me the right device nodes until after I try to mount it.  The
mount attempt seems to create the proper device nodes.

The USB drive shows up on insertion like so:

Apr 14 19:09:41 stretchlimo kernel: umass0: SWISSBIT Victorinox 2.0, class 
0/0, rev 2.00/2.00, addr 2 on uhub4
Apr 14 19:09:41 stretchlimo root: Unknown USB device: vendor 0x1370 product 
0x2168 bus uhub4
Apr 14 19:09:41 stretchlimo kernel: da1 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
Apr 14 19:09:41 stretchlimo kernel: da1: SWISSBIT Victorinox 2.0 2.00 
Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
Apr 14 19:09:41 stretchlimo kernel: da1: 40.000MB/s transfers
Apr 14 19:09:41 stretchlimo kernel: da1: Attempt to query device size failed: 
UNIT ATTENTION, Not ready to ready change,

Disklabel tells me that it has a single DOS partition on it:

# fdisk /dev/da1 
*** Working on device /dev/da1 ***
parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are:
cylinders=998 heads=64 sectors/track=32 (2048 blks/cyl)

parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are:
cylinders=998 heads=64 sectors/track=32 (2048 blks/cyl)

Media sector size is 512
Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1
Information from DOS bootblock is:
The data for partition 1 is:
sysid 6 (0x06),(Primary 'big' DOS (= 32MB))
start 32, size 2043871 (997 Meg), flag 80 (active)
beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1;
end: cyl 996/ head 63/ sector 32
The data for partition 2 is:
UNUSED
The data for partition 3 is:
UNUSED
The data for partition 4 is:
UNUSED

But the only device node I get upon insertion is:

# ls /dev/da*
/dev/da1
#

I try to mount it, and immediately check the device nodes:

# mount_msdosfs /dev/da1 /media
mount_msdosfs: /dev/da1: : Invalid argument
# ls /dev/da*
/dev/da1/dev/da1s1
#

Of course, at this point I can mount_msdosfs /dev/da1s1.

Is this behavior normal?  I'm trying to configure devd to automount a
USB device, but the lack of a proper device node appearing the first
time around kiboshes that.

This is a 7.x i386 system.

Thanks,
==ml

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Re: locking down scsi device id's in 6.2

2007-04-14 Thread Robert Marella
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:51:12 -0400
Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 Thanks. Still no good, basically it just brought me back to where
 i was. Do you know anyone else who might have an idea on this?
 Thanks for all your help.
 Dave.

Perhaps I have been leading you on a wild goose chase. I have re-read
all of your posts and I now understand that you want to wire down bus,
target and unit. 

It is my understanding that the device.hints will wire down the device
(i.e. /dev/sa# or in my case /dev/da#). I played around with my system
with the external firewire drive and as long as I have the lines in
device.hints the 0-0-0 is reserved for the drive whether it is plugged
in or not. The optical drives remained at 2-0-0 and 2-1-0.

I then plugged in a USB thumb drive and rebooted. This forced the
optical drives from 2-0-0 and 2-1-0 to 3-0-0 3-1-0 respectively.

I then plugged in a USD card reader and rebooted. This forced the
optical drives to 4-0-0 and 4-1-0.

I thought about this for awhile and looked at dmesg again. I then
edited /boot/device.hints as follows

### Wire down external hd to da0###
hint.scbus.0.at=sbp0
hint.da.0.at=scbus0
hint.da.0.target=0
hint.da.0.unit=0

hint.scbus.1.at=ata1   #optical drives on the second ata cable.
hint.cd.0.at=scbus1
hint.cd.0.target=0
hint.cd.0.unit=0

hint.cd.1.at=scbus1
hint.cd.1.target=1
hint.cd.1.unit=0

this forced the optical drives back to 1-0-0 and 1-1-0 no matter what
other devices are plugged in.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ camcontrol devlist
WD External HDD Dev 0100 at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (da0,pass0)
SONY DVD RW DW-Q120A PYS1at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (cd0,pass1)
TOSHIBA ODD-DVD SD-M1802 1030at scbus1 target 1 lun 0 (cd1,pass2)
USB2.0 CardReader CF RW 0814 at scbus2 target 0 lun 0 (da1,pass3)
USB2.0 CardReader SD RW 0814 at scbus2 target 0 lun 1 (da2,pass4)
USB2.0 CardReader SM RW 0814 at scbus2 target 0 lun 2 (da3,pass5)
USB2.0 CardReader MS RW 0814 at scbus2 target 0 lun 3 (da4,pass6)
SanDisk Cruzer Mini 0.1  at scbus3 target 0 lun 0 (da5,pass7)

This may be what you want.

I hope this helps.

Robert

P.S. I am adding the list back in.


  On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:39:42 -0400
  Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hello,
  Thanks for your reply. Please see below for responses.
 
 
  Here is my add-ons to /boot/device.hints:
 
  # custom devices
  hint.scbus.0.at=ahc0   #find this with dmesg
  hint.sa.0.at=scbus0
  hint.sa.0.target=5
  hint.sa.0.unit=0
  hint.cd.0.at=scbus0
  hint.cd.0.target=0
  hint.cd.0.unit=0
  hint.cd.1.at=scbus0
  hint.cd.1.target=1
  int.cd.1.unit=0
 
 
  Dave
 
  I would try commenting out or removing the hints referencing the
  cd's so that you are only wiring down the scsi tape.
 
  The only other thing that comes to mind is the options master/slave
  on the optical drives themselves. Both drives should be on the same
  ATA cable and I always set master on the drive at the far end of
  the cable and slave on the other.
 
  If this does not help I am afraid that I can be of no further help.
  perhaps someone else on the list can give some additional advice.
 
  Robert 
 
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ISO-IMAGES-i386: 6.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso defect?

2007-04-14 Thread M. Lutz
Hello FreeBSD team,
having tried several times to access 6.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso
from e.g.
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/6.2
I failed because after about 140MB download no further data can be
received.

Could it be that this iso-image is defect?
It doesn't matter which mirror I use, same problem occurs.

Thanks in advance!

Martin Lutz / Koeln / Germany.
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Re: ISO-IMAGES-i386: 6.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso defect?

2007-04-14 Thread Jonathan Horne
On Saturday 14 April 2007 19:44:59 M. Lutz wrote:
 Hello FreeBSD team,
 having tried several times to access 6.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso
 from e.g.
 ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/6.2
 I failed because after about 140MB download no further data can be
 received.

 Could it be that this iso-image is defect?
 It doesn't matter which mirror I use, same problem occurs.

 Thanks in advance!

 Martin Lutz / Koeln / Germany.
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i would use this page, to locate a mirror a little closer to where you are:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors-ftp.html

... and then try again.

cheers,
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Re: test

2007-04-14 Thread Beech Rintoul
On Saturday 14 April 2007, Hangmn said:
 You group of elitist fucks...the unsub link is FUCKING USELESS

 On 4/14/07, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In response to Hangmn [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   GET ME OFF THIS FUCKING LIST
 
  That's a powerfully effective method of getting things done.
 
  First off, the use of the word FUCKING is a well-known method to
  convince people to come to your aid.  I believe it was Napoleon
  who stated, By inserting 'FUCKING' in front of every FUCKING
  noun in every FUCKING sentence, I have managed to motivate my
  FUCKING soldiers more so than any other FUCKING method I have
  tried.
 
  Secondly, the use of all caps is known to be an efficient method
  of getting
  your point across.  Internet experts agree that mailing lists are
  very loud, and the only way you're guaranteed to be heard is to
  SHOUT all the time.  I'm glad you've caught on to this fine point
  of netiquette.
 
  Thirdly, replying to an arbitrary message instead of taking the
  time to contact the right people is a fabulously effective method
  of getting things
  done.  Obviously, the guy who sent this test message, as well as
  others who read it are most likely to be the people who can
  actually _do_ anything
  about your problem.
 
  And lastly, leaving out all the details of your problem is
  guaranteed to expedite the fix of your problem.  Obviously those
  details, such as a copy of an offending message with fully
  headers, or a list of the steps you've tried to take in
  resolution of the problem, would only confused the technically
  adept people who could actually research and fix your problem. 
  Leaving them out is good practice.
 
   On 4/11/07, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please use the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list for testing.  It
avoids spamming 1000s of inboxes with test messages.

This poster with advanced intelligence also found that none of gmail's 
spam tools had any effect on his problem. AOL would probably be his 
best choice.

Beech



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Re: make index on FREEBSD_4_EOL

2007-04-14 Thread Garrett Cooper

Benjamin Lutz wrote:

Hello,

Is make index on FREEBSD_4_EOL supposed to work? I'm getting breakage in 
the gstreamer-plugin ports. If there's no easy fix, could someone send 
me an INDEX file that matches the state of the ports tree at 
FREEBSD_4_EOL?


Cheers
Benjamin
  

Ports support for 4.x is dead as of a few weeks ago.

Please upgrade to 5.x or 6.x (encouraged) to be supported with ports again.

Thank you,

-Garrett
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Re: make index on FREEBSD_4_EOL

2007-04-14 Thread Garrett Cooper

Garrett Cooper wrote:

Benjamin Lutz wrote:

Hello,

Is make index on FREEBSD_4_EOL supposed to work? I'm getting breakage 
in the gstreamer-plugin ports. If there's no easy fix, could someone 
send me an INDEX file that matches the state of the ports tree at 
FREEBSD_4_EOL?


Cheers
Benjamin
  

Ports support for 4.x is dead as of a few weeks ago.

Please upgrade to 5.x or 6.x (encouraged) to be supported with ports 
again.


Thank you,

-Garrett


   There I go again on the wrong mailing list.
   My apologies for the extraneous emails .
-Garrett
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Re: make index on FREEBSD_4_EOL

2007-04-14 Thread Jonathan Horne
On Saturday 14 April 2007 20:42:19 Garrett Cooper wrote:
 If there's no easy fix, could someone send

  me an INDEX file that matches the state of the ports tree at
  FREEBSD_4_EOL?

if you use cvsup to get your ports, you could add this tag line to your 
supfile:

*default release=cvs tag=. date=2007.03.15.01.01.01

and that would pull the ports snapshot from march the 15th.  i dont recall 
what date exactly it was the 4.x was discontinued, but you could probably put 
in the day before, and it might pull down the last valid ports tree for 4.x

good luck,
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Re: locking down scsi device id's in 6.2

2007-04-14 Thread Dave

Hi,
   Thanks. That did it! I now have the tape drive right where it's suppose 
to be and the burners on 1,0,0 and 1,1,0 cd0 and cd1 which is what i 
originally wanted. For reference here is my modifications to 
/boot/device.hints:


# custom devices
hint.scbus.0.at=ahc0   #find this with dmesg
hint.sa.0.at=scbus0
hint.sa.0.target=5
hint.sa.0.unit=0
hint.scbus.1.at=ata1   #find this with dmesg
hint.cd.0.at=scbus1
hint.cd.0.target=0
hint.cd.0.unit=0
hint.cd.1.at=scbus1
hint.cd.1.target=1
hint.cd.1.unit=0

Thanks a lot.
Dave.

- Original Message - 
From: Robert Marella [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: locking down scsi device id's in 6.2



On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:51:12 -0400
Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi,
Thanks. Still no good, basically it just brought me back to where
i was. Do you know anyone else who might have an idea on this?
Thanks for all your help.
Dave.


Perhaps I have been leading you on a wild goose chase. I have re-read
all of your posts and I now understand that you want to wire down bus,
target and unit.

It is my understanding that the device.hints will wire down the device
(i.e. /dev/sa# or in my case /dev/da#). I played around with my system
with the external firewire drive and as long as I have the lines in
device.hints the 0-0-0 is reserved for the drive whether it is plugged
in or not. The optical drives remained at 2-0-0 and 2-1-0.

I then plugged in a USB thumb drive and rebooted. This forced the
optical drives from 2-0-0 and 2-1-0 to 3-0-0 3-1-0 respectively.

I then plugged in a USD card reader and rebooted. This forced the
optical drives to 4-0-0 and 4-1-0.

I thought about this for awhile and looked at dmesg again. I then
edited /boot/device.hints as follows

### Wire down external hd to da0###
hint.scbus.0.at=sbp0
hint.da.0.at=scbus0
hint.da.0.target=0
hint.da.0.unit=0

hint.scbus.1.at=ata1   #optical drives on the second ata cable.
hint.cd.0.at=scbus1
hint.cd.0.target=0
hint.cd.0.unit=0

hint.cd.1.at=scbus1
hint.cd.1.target=1
hint.cd.1.unit=0

this forced the optical drives back to 1-0-0 and 1-1-0 no matter what
other devices are plugged in.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ camcontrol devlist
WD External HDD Dev 0100 at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (da0,pass0)
SONY DVD RW DW-Q120A PYS1at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (cd0,pass1)
TOSHIBA ODD-DVD SD-M1802 1030at scbus1 target 1 lun 0 (cd1,pass2)
USB2.0 CardReader CF RW 0814 at scbus2 target 0 lun 0 (da1,pass3)
USB2.0 CardReader SD RW 0814 at scbus2 target 0 lun 1 (da2,pass4)
USB2.0 CardReader SM RW 0814 at scbus2 target 0 lun 2 (da3,pass5)
USB2.0 CardReader MS RW 0814 at scbus2 target 0 lun 3 (da4,pass6)
SanDisk Cruzer Mini 0.1  at scbus3 target 0 lun 0 (da5,pass7)

This may be what you want.

I hope this helps.

Robert

P.S. I am adding the list back in.



 On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:39:42 -0400
 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,
 Thanks for your reply. Please see below for responses.


 Here is my add-ons to /boot/device.hints:

 # custom devices
 hint.scbus.0.at=ahc0   #find this with dmesg
 hint.sa.0.at=scbus0
 hint.sa.0.target=5
 hint.sa.0.unit=0
 hint.cd.0.at=scbus0
 hint.cd.0.target=0
 hint.cd.0.unit=0
 hint.cd.1.at=scbus0
 hint.cd.1.target=1
 int.cd.1.unit=0


 Dave

 I would try commenting out or removing the hints referencing the
 cd's so that you are only wiring down the scsi tape.

 The only other thing that comes to mind is the options master/slave
 on the optical drives themselves. Both drives should be on the same
 ATA cable and I always set master on the drive at the far end of
 the cable and slave on the other.

 If this does not help I am afraid that I can be of no further help.
 perhaps someone else on the list can give some additional advice.

 Robert



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[OT] can sed handle this situation? (might require variable)

2007-04-14 Thread Zhang Weiwu
Dear list. I could not find a mailing list about 'sed' (there is an very
inactive Yahoo Group though) so I wish to try some luck here. Sorry for
OT.

I've got a situation that looks like require using variable and not
possible to process with sed. But I am not sure. Can someone suggest me
if this task is out of scope of sed?

The input document is sections of data separated by an empty new line;
in each section there are a few lines. It's like this:

dn: uid=ABB,ou=contacts,ou=china,dc=ahk,dc=de
uid: ABB
ahkCreateTimeStamp: 1996032800Z
creatorsName: cn=manager,dc=ahk,dc=de
createTimestamp: 20060425094550Z

dn: uid=paulblome,ou=contacts,ou=china,dc=ahk,dc=de
uid: paulblome
sn: Blome
createTimestamp: 20060417071950Z
modifiersName: cn=manager,dc=ahk,dc=de
modifyTimestamp: 20060630094026Z

The above sample showed two sections in input data. It's required to
process the data in following rule:

if a data section has ahkCreateTimeStamp: abc, replace it with
createTimestamp: abc and remove the original createTimestamp:
def line;

That is, the result data of above sample should be:

dn: uid=ABB,ou=contacts,ou=china,dc=ahk,dc=de
uid: ABB
createTimestamp: 1996032800Z
creatorsName: cn=manager,dc=ahk,dc=de

dn: uid=paulblome,ou=contacts,ou=china,dc=ahk,dc=de
uid: paulblome
sn: Blome
createTimestamp: 20060417071950Z
modifiersName: cn=manager,dc=ahk,dc=de
modifyTimestamp: 20060630094026Z
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Re: ISO-IMAGES-i386: 6.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso defect?

2007-04-14 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sun, Apr 15, 2007 at 02:44:59AM +0200, M. Lutz wrote:
 Hello FreeBSD team,
 having tried several times to access 6.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso
 from e.g.
 ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/6.2
 I failed because after about 140MB download no further data can be
 received.
 
 Could it be that this iso-image is defect?

No, at least tens of thousands of people have downloaded it without
issue.  You should look closer to home for the source of your problem.

Kris


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Re: [OT] can sed handle this situation? (might require variable)

2007-04-14 Thread Garrett Cooper

Zhang Weiwu wrote:

Dear list. I could not find a mailing list about 'sed' (there is an very
inactive Yahoo Group though) so I wish to try some luck here. Sorry for
OT.

I've got a situation that looks like require using variable and not
possible to process with sed. But I am not sure. Can someone suggest me
if this task is out of scope of sed?

The input document is sections of data separated by an empty new line;
in each section there are a few lines. It's like this:

dn: uid=ABB,ou=contacts,ou=china,dc=ahk,dc=de

uid: ABB
ahkCreateTimeStamp: 1996032800Z
creatorsName: cn=manager,dc=ahk,dc=de
createTimestamp: 20060425094550Z

dn: uid=paulblome,ou=contacts,ou=china,dc=ahk,dc=de

uid: paulblome
sn: Blome
createTimestamp: 20060417071950Z
modifiersName: cn=manager,dc=ahk,dc=de
modifyTimestamp: 20060630094026Z

The above sample showed two sections in input data. It's required to

process the data in following rule:

if a data section has ahkCreateTimeStamp: abc, replace it with
createTimestamp: abc and remove the original createTimestamp:
def line;

That is, the result data of above sample should be:

dn: uid=ABB,ou=contacts,ou=china,dc=ahk,dc=de
uid: ABB
createTimestamp: 1996032800Z
creatorsName: cn=manager,dc=ahk,dc=de

dn: uid=paulblome,ou=contacts,ou=china,dc=ahk,dc=de

uid: paulblome
sn: Blome
createTimestamp: 20060417071950Z
modifiersName: cn=manager,dc=ahk,dc=de
modifyTimestamp: 20060630094026Z
  

Sure, and no this doesn't require an additional variable.

If my sed'ing is correct (I usually do regular expressions with Perl), 
the expression should be:


sed -e 'm/^\s+.+createTimeStamp:.+\s+createTimeStamp: (.+)/\s{number of 
preceding required spaces}createTimeStamp: \1/g';


I'd be sure to test out the expression though first before replacing any 
files.


My reference for the text replace was: 
http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line.txt (look for the 
comma in number replace reference).


Cheers,
-Garrett
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hot swap with gmirror

2007-04-14 Thread Ivan Carey

Hello,
Is hot swap of a drive possible with gmirror?

Also is it possible to setup a spare mirrored drive and store it until 
it is needed to replace a faulty drive.


Thanks,
Ivan
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multiple mirrored drives with gmirror

2007-04-14 Thread Ivan Carey

Hello,
Is it possible to have more than 2 drives in a mirror?
For example traditionally a mirror will have 2 drives, can 4 drives be 
in a system and all be mirrored by gmirror?


Thanks,
Ivan
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can't print to disk from Firefox

2007-04-14 Thread perryh
I got an error when trying to print *to disk* from Firefox/1.5.0.6:

  Printer Error

  There was a problem printing because the paper size you specified
  is not supported by your printer.

This message makes no sense at all when printing to disk, since
there's no way for it to know what kind of printer I'll eventually
send the file to.

I am using the only available printer selection, PostScript/default,
and the first paper selection in the list, letterSize (8.5x11 inch);
and that size is certainly available on the printer I intend to use
(which is elsewhere, hence the need to print to disk).  There is no
default paper size selection.

I really don't care what paper size it formats the page for --
that can be fixed later if necessary.  It is the content, not
the formatting, that is important.

It eventually fixed itself after much fumbling and several retries,
but I have no idea what fixed it and I suppose it will probably
unfix itself at some inconvenient time in the future.  How do I fix
it properly and permanently?
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Re: hot swap with gmirror

2007-04-14 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sun, Apr 15, 2007 at 12:55:02PM +1000, Ivan Carey wrote:

 Hello,
 Is hot swap of a drive possible with gmirror?

I think you need hardware support to be able to do hot-swap of drives.
At least that was the way it used to be.

jerry
 
 Also is it possible to setup a spare mirrored drive and store it until 
 it is needed to replace a faulty drive.
 
 Thanks,
 Ivan
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Re: how does one get portupgrade back

2007-04-14 Thread Andrew Falanga

Bill,

Thank you for this.  Until I got my high speed line, I didn't even think
about updating.  It would simply take too long.  Consequently, I've not kept
in memory certain things like the file you reference above.  Thank you.

Andy

(High speed is awesome.  I just updated Firefox to 2.0.0.5, or something
similar, and it took only 3 - 4 minutes to down load the 35mb *.bz2 file.  I
wouldn't have even thought about it before hand.)

On 4/13/07, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Andrew Falanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 HI,

 I was going through cvsup and portupgrade since I just got broadband
into my
 home.  I had forgotten that some time ago I had already installed
 portupgrade and went to install it again.  I went to
/usr/ports/sysutils/
 and found to my astonishment that the directory portupgrade no longer
 exists.  That's when I found out that I had already installed it at some
 time in the past by doing which portupgrade.  The only reason I'm
asking
 about this is because the portupgrade program complained that it
couldn't
 change directory to the directory listed above.  So, I installed
 cvsup-without-gui and upgraded my ports collection (I actally did this
 before checking for portupgrade).

 So, how should I go about restoring that directory?

Read /usr/ports/UPDATING before doing ports maintenance in the future.

In this case, ports tools have moved to a new category in
/usr/ports/ports-mgmnt

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Recompiling the vim port for gui capability

2007-04-14 Thread Andrew Falanga

Hi,

I recently updated some of my ports (due to the fact that I now have a high
speed connection to the Internet at home).  One of the ports I updated was
vim.  I used portupgrade -r vim_port_name and let it do its thing.  All
went well, but now gvim no longer exists.  When I was try to execute it, I
get, E25: GUI cannot be used: Not enabled at compile time.  I've built vim
at work simply from the source code from vim.org and I know how to build for
GUI support.  However, I'm not very familiar with the BSD make or the ports
making process and couldn't find a clean way of defining, or in this case
preventing the definition of,

.if defined(NO_GUI)
WITHOUT_X11=yes
.endif

I took this from /usr/ports/editors/vim/Makefile.  How do I manipulate the
ports build process to recompile vim with GUI support?  I would rather use
vim/gvim than any other editor and without GUI support, it's quite lame.

By the way, after reading the response to my post about how to get
portupgrade back, I went to look through the /usr/ports/UPGRADING file for
vim notes.  However, the only thing I found concerning vim was something to
with vim-part, or something similar to that, with respect to the KDE
distribution.  There was nothing about the actual VIM port.  Oh, nearly
forgot, before this, I had vim 6.x installed from ports.  I did have the GUI
version before hand.

Thanks,
Andy
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Re: Recompiling the vim port for gui capability

2007-04-14 Thread Garrett Cooper

Andrew Falanga wrote:

Hi,

I recently updated some of my ports (due to the fact that I now have a 
high
speed connection to the Internet at home).  One of the ports I updated 
was

vim.  I used portupgrade -r vim_port_name and let it do its thing.  All
went well, but now gvim no longer exists.  When I was try to execute 
it, I
get, E25: GUI cannot be used: Not enabled at compile time.  I've 
built vim
at work simply from the source code from vim.org and I know how to 
build for
GUI support.  However, I'm not very familiar with the BSD make or the 
ports

making process and couldn't find a clean way of defining, or in this case
preventing the definition of,

.if defined(NO_GUI)
WITHOUT_X11=yes
.endif

I took this from /usr/ports/editors/vim/Makefile.  How do I manipulate 
the
ports build process to recompile vim with GUI support?  I would rather 
use

vim/gvim than any other editor and without GUI support, it's quite lame.

By the way, after reading the response to my post about how to get
portupgrade back, I went to look through the /usr/ports/UPGRADING file 
for
vim notes.  However, the only thing I found concerning vim was 
something to

with vim-part, or something similar to that, with respect to the KDE
distribution.  There was nothing about the actual VIM port.  Oh, nearly
forgot, before this, I had vim 6.x installed from ports.  I did have 
the GUI

version before hand.

Thanks,
Andy


Andy,
   If you use the editors/vim port and not editors/vim-lite, this 
should be enabled by default. If not, then you should talk to the port 
maintainer.

-Garrett
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Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 02:34:29PM -0500, Chris wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
  

[[ ... ]]

  In my case this included leaning to think in 'Unix', and reaching an
  understanding with (rather than of) regular expressions, sed, and awk.
  
  My workstation/laptop hardware does not really allow the option of
  building things like KDE and OpenOffice, so I upgrade basically by
  starting over with packages. I usually can do this in an hour or so.
  When I first started, I found the differences between BSDI, FreeBSD, and
  Linux confusing. Now mostly its more of an irritant than having to use
  my son's mac to watch ESPN videos.


I've been experimenting with system tuning to get my slower 
(400MHz) laptop and tower cases to run lots ffaster with X ...
and, obv'ly, lots slower for less important processes.  As a 
hard-core CLI type, I'd like to see lightweight apps like links
tied to a GUI version of mutt.  Or something similarly
lightweight where you can click on a URL and have it instantiate 
links.  If you must-hae 3D, then Xaw-3D will do the magic.  


 
 To me, this is where Ubuntu (I can't speak for other Linux distros) is
 the clear winner over FreeBSD on the desktop. Ubuntu is near
 out-of-the-box when it comes to media (audio/video/etc) of any sort.
 
 Sure, there are a few  steps to get it all to gel - but once you enter a
 few lines (or if you prefer point-n-click) - you never have to worry
 about media working again (trust me, I used to keep a Windows box just
 to do the things I mentioned).
 
 Again - I'm talking about a desktop use. I have used Ubuntu server (both
 i386 and sparc) and FreeBSD is still my fav. however, Ubuntu (for
 installing LAMP) is nearly even w/FreeBSD.
 
 To me, apt-get is certainly cleaner and superior to
 portupgrade/portmanager. Perhaps someday either or will be as reliable
 as apt-get.
 
 Just my opinions of course.


Mine too, as far as ease-of-use goes.  Ubuntu is a different kind
of Linux where they say up front that Linux is only a kernel;
that the rest is up to the real hackers, the app folks.  My only
concern with Ubuntu is upgrading from my current 6.06 to 7.XX.
I can upgrade FBSD with one finger.  Upgrading Ubuntu isn't
quite push-button.  Not yet anyway.

The last thing:  I'll never trust my DNS server to anything
except the Berkeley distributions.

and that's my dime's worth!

gary



 
 
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 Best regards,
 Chris
 
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Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Chris
Gary Kline wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 02:34:29PM -0500, Chris wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:

 
   [[ ... ]]
 
 In my case this included leaning to think in 'Unix', and reaching an
 understanding with (rather than of) regular expressions, sed, and awk.

 My workstation/laptop hardware does not really allow the option of
 building things like KDE and OpenOffice, so I upgrade basically by
 starting over with packages. I usually can do this in an hour or so.
 When I first started, I found the differences between BSDI, FreeBSD, and
 Linux confusing. Now mostly its more of an irritant than having to use
 my son's mac to watch ESPN videos.
 
 
   I've been experimenting with system tuning to get my slower 
   (400MHz) laptop and tower cases to run lots ffaster with X ...
   and, obv'ly, lots slower for less important processes.  As a 
   hard-core CLI type, I'd like to see lightweight apps like links
   tied to a GUI version of mutt.  Or something similarly
   lightweight where you can click on a URL and have it instantiate 
   links.  If you must-hae 3D, then Xaw-3D will do the magic.  
   
 
 To me, this is where Ubuntu (I can't speak for other Linux distros) is
 the clear winner over FreeBSD on the desktop. Ubuntu is near
 out-of-the-box when it comes to media (audio/video/etc) of any sort.

 Sure, there are a few  steps to get it all to gel - but once you enter a
 few lines (or if you prefer point-n-click) - you never have to worry
 about media working again (trust me, I used to keep a Windows box just
 to do the things I mentioned).

 Again - I'm talking about a desktop use. I have used Ubuntu server (both
 i386 and sparc) and FreeBSD is still my fav. however, Ubuntu (for
 installing LAMP) is nearly even w/FreeBSD.

 To me, apt-get is certainly cleaner and superior to
 portupgrade/portmanager. Perhaps someday either or will be as reliable
 as apt-get.

 Just my opinions of course.
 
 
   Mine too, as far as ease-of-use goes.  Ubuntu is a different kind
   of Linux where they say up front that Linux is only a kernel;
   that the rest is up to the real hackers, the app folks.  My only
   concern with Ubuntu is upgrading from my current 6.06 to 7.XX.
   I can upgrade FBSD with one finger.  Upgrading Ubuntu isn't
   quite push-button.  Not yet anyway.
 
   The last thing:  I'll never trust my DNS server to anything
   except the Berkeley distributions.
 
   and that's my dime's worth!
 
   gary


Gary -

Not so - upgrading Ubuntu is pretty much a click. Have a look at this
URL and you'll see 2 ways to upgrade

http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/03/upgrade-ubuntu-610-edgy-eft-to-ubuntu.html

But in a nutshell - Ubuntu (Debian) is nothing more then editing a
source file and 2 commands.  apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade

As to the comment about DNS - I agree 100%


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Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-04-14 12:34, Garrett Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chad Perrin wrote:
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:52:18AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
Also, it's Linux-based so documentation in terms of manpages are
most likely non-existent, like with Gentoo Linux.

 That's by no means universal among Linux distributions.  Debian actually
 provides better manpage coverage than FreeBSD, for instance.

 But some of the manpages are out of date, like for the coreutils
 (I think mv/cp was one of them?). I like the comment in there about
 Stallman liking infopages but Debian-ites having to create a manpage :).
 I personally hate infopages, but that's me.

One of the most important reasons why I like FreeBSD is the quality of
the documentation.  I find it rather appaling that running man mv on
Debian shows a warning in the SEE ALSO section:

% SEE ALSO
% The  full  documentation  for mv is maintained as a Texinfo
% manual.  If the info and mv programs are properly installed
% at your site, the command
%
% info mv
%
% should give you access to the complete manual.

What is amusing is that exactly the same warning is displayed when one
runs 'info mv' :P

The full documentation of mv(1) *is* available as an Info page, but it
is not where the manpage points the user.

By lurking at the FreeBSD cvs-commit lists, while I was a BSD newbie, I
noticed source changes being rolled back because their documentation was
not ready yet.  I saw BSD people demanding than manpages are updated
after a source commit, and dozens of merges from HEAD to one of the
STABLE branches which treated manpages as first class citizens of the
source tree, and not some entertaining but always out-of-date pariah.

- Giorgos

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Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Chris
Gary Kline wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:10:17PM -0500, Chris wrote:
 Gary Kline wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 02:34:29PM -0500, Chris wrote:
 Gary -

  Not so - upgrading Ubuntu is pretty much a click. Have a look at this
 URL and you'll see 2 ways to upgrade

 http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/03/upgrade-ubuntu-610-edgy-eft-to-ubuntu.html

 But in a nutshell - Ubuntu (Debian) is nothing more then editing a
 source file and 2 commands.  apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade

  As to the comment about DNS - I agree 100%

 
   Thanks for the URL, Chris, but Edgy is going to be passe in a few
   days; I'll wait for 7.1X and watch the forums for gripes.  My
   second upgrade just took time (18-20+ hours to get thru my IDNL
   line); otherwise it was just-a-click.  My first upgrade took more
   than a week of clicking here and there until finally thtings
   worked.  Other people were having trouble with 6.10 too, so I just 
   held back.
 
   ...But then, in the distant past (I've run FBSD since 2.0.5), I
   had troubles with upgrading this OS... and this is the most
   bulletproof operating system in the [known :) ] universe.  
   Live 'n' learn, eh?   --Maybe I'll go for FIESTY FAWN(?)
   in a month.
 
   gary
 

Gary -

I actually went from Edgy to Feisty last night. While the latter is
still not released (I here around the 19th of April) it's pretty solid
and as I mentioned, the upgrade of everything was to the point with that
URL.


-- 
Best regards,
Chris

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Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 01:58:17PM -0500, Chris wrote:
 
 Actually - Ubuntu's default isn't KDE, it's Gnome. Kubuntu is what you
 want if you prefer the K environment - however, that's not to say that
 if you install Ubuntu, you can't install KDE (or XFCE4 - that happens to
  be Xubuntu).
 


I like both Gnome and KDE; altho parts of KDE work better for my
mindset.  SO nutshell, can I upgrade my present default Gnome
Desktop (aka: wm:) to be KDE??  Or equally, is  there some
magic command to install more KDE-ware?  Acouple weeks ago here 
someone recommended kmplayer and the KDE browser.  And, YES,
it's almost like push button.  The KDE CD burner is also easier to
use.  But the Gnome Terminal is much more intuitive than the
KDE write of xterm.  (blah, [bar] :)

(I find that I have tons of KDE games, and I'm not rreally a
gamer. No, I haven't a clue where the games came from.)

gary

 
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Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Chris
Gary Kline wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 01:58:17PM -0500, Chris wrote:
 Actually - Ubuntu's default isn't KDE, it's Gnome. Kubuntu is what you
 want if you prefer the K environment - however, that's not to say that
 if you install Ubuntu, you can't install KDE (or XFCE4 - that happens to
  be Xubuntu).

 
 
   I like both Gnome and KDE; altho parts of KDE work better for my
   mindset.  SO nutshell, can I upgrade my present default Gnome
   Desktop (aka: wm:) to be KDE??  Or equally, is  there some
   magic command to install more KDE-ware?  Acouple weeks ago here 
   someone recommended kmplayer and the KDE browser.  And, YES,
   it's almost like push button.  The KDE CD burner is also easier to
   use.  But the Gnome Terminal is much more intuitive than the
   KDE write of xterm.  (blah, [bar] :)
 
   (I find that I have tons of KDE games, and I'm not rreally a
   gamer. No, I haven't a clue where the games came from.)
 
   gary

Im the same way - I have a mix of Gnome/KDE items. Ubuntu by default is
Gnome - that's not to say you can't install KDE and or other WM. Kbuntu
is your KDE install whereas Xubuntu is the XFCE4 install - again, you
are free to install any part of any WM you want to use by enabling
Universe and Multiverse and by using Synamptic Package Manager.

The file you need to edit for Multiverse and Universe is
/etc/apt/sources.list - Uncomment then run the above app and you'll be
able to pick and choose.

Also keep in mind, you DON't need to install all of KDE to run a few
apps. Under FBSD, I run XFCE4 - and I seem to recall that you needed to
ensure a fair amount of KDE needed to be installed before the fact.

If you're serious about Ubuntu etc, I'll gladly lend you what I have
learned off list.


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Chris

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Re: I like Ubuntu

2007-04-14 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:34:46PM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
 Chad Perrin wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:52:18AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
   
 Also, it's Linux-based so documentation in terms of manpages are most 
 likely non-existent, like with Gentoo Linux.
 
 
 That's by no means universal among Linux distributions.  Debian actually
 provides better manpage coverage than FreeBSD, for instance.
 But some of the manpages are out of date, like for the coreutils (I 
 think mv/cp was one of them?). I like the comment in there about 
 Stallman liking infopages but Debian-ites having to create a manpage :). 
 I personally hate infopages, but that's me.
 



You're not the only one who destest those bleeping info-type
writeups.
Forward and BAckwards make sense; but then what is Up/Down?
And a yup on the outdated docs too.   There is a seriously K00L
music app (Gnome), but the documentation was way out of date in
'06.  ((But then, I'd much rather code 1,000 lines that write
just a few ages of docs, so, I understand the problem.  Code you
can *read* and figure out.  Different with even good docs.  I
think the best man pages include a feew examples... .

gary


PS:  if only we could be god-for-a-day,huh:-) :-)




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Re: [OT] can sed handle this situation? (might require variable)

2007-04-14 Thread Parv
Darn, forgot to copy to the dear list; so here it is (sent to OP
previously) ...


in message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
wrote Zhang Weiwu thusly...

 Dear list. I could not find a mailing list about 'sed' (there is
 an very inactive Yahoo Group though) so I wish to try some luck
 here.

Try, comp.unix.misc newsgroup.


 I've got a situation that looks like require using variable and
 not possible to process with sed. But I am not sure. Can someone
 suggest me if this task is out of scope of sed?

Try some variation of what Garret suggested if sed is the
requirement and skip rest of the message.


 The input document is sections of data separated by an empty new
 line
...
dn: uid=ABB,ou=contacts,ou=china,dc=ahk,dc=de
uid: ABB
ahkCreateTimeStamp: 1996032800Z
creatorsName: cn=manager,dc=ahk,dc=de
createTimestamp: 20060425094550Z

dn: uid=paulblome,ou=contacts,ou=china,dc=ahk,dc=de
uid: paulblome
sn: Blome
createTimestamp: 20060417071950Z
modifiersName: cn=manager,dc=ahk,dc=de
modifyTimestamp: 20060630094026Z

 The above sample showed two sections in input data. It's required to
 process the data in following rule:

if a data section has ahkCreateTimeStamp: abc, replace it
with createTimestamp: abc and remove the original
createTimestamp: def line;

 That is, the result data of above sample should be:

dn: uid=ABB,ou=contacts,ou=china,dc=ahk,dc=de
uid: ABB
createTimestamp: 1996032800Z
creatorsName: cn=manager,dc=ahk,dc=de

dn: uid=paulblome,ou=contacts,ou=china,dc=ahk,dc=de
uid: paulblome
sn: Blome
createTimestamp: 20060417071950Z
modifiersName: cn=manager,dc=ahk,dc=de
modifyTimestamp: 20060630094026Z

Here is my version in Perl (v5.8.8; run it by giving it files to
process as command line arguments; no files are modified; output
goes to the standard output) ...

  #!/usr/local/bin/perl

  use warnings; use strict;

  my $orig = 'createTimestamp';
  my $changed = 'ahkCreateTimeStamp' ;

  #  Mapping of changed  original strings with related regular
  #  expressions.
  my %replacement;
  @replacement{ ( 'changed' , 'orig' ) } =
map
{ [ $_
  , qr(^ \s*#  Optional whitespace at the beginning;
$_  #  time stamp text;
\s* :   #  optional whitespace before colon;
\s* #  optional whitespace;
\S+ #  non whitespace character sequence (time stamp);
.* $#  then anything or nothing else at the end.
  )xm
  ]
}
( $changed , $orig )
;

  #  Process files, given as command line arguments.  Output is
  #  printed on standard output, no file is actually modified.
  for my $file ( @ARGV )
  {
my $fh;
unless ( open $fh , '' , $file )
{
  warn Cannot open file '$file': $!\n ;
  next;
}

update_time_stamp( \%replacement , $fh );

close $fh or die Cannot close '$file': $!\n ;
  }
  exit;

  sub update_time_stamp
  {
my ( $map , $fh ) = @_;

my $changed = $map-{'changed'};
my $orig = $map-{'orig'};

#  Set input record separator to parse data in blocks.
local $/ =  ;
while ( my $block = $fh )
{
  #  Nothing to do if there is no ahk* string.
  next
unless $block =~ m/$changed-[1]/
 $block =~ m/$orig-[1]/ ;

  for ( $block )
  {
#  Remove original replacement time stamp line.  (Order does
#  not matter as only the text is changed not the associated
#  time stamp value.)
s/$orig-[1]//;

#  Update time stamp string.
s/$changed-[0]/$orig-[0]/;
  }

  #  Remake the block by removing empty line (caused by removal of
  #  replacement time stamp line.)
  $block =
join \n
, grep { $_ !~ m/^\s*$/ } split /\n+/ , $block
;

  #  Add removed new line at the end, and another as separator.
  $block .= \n\n ;
}
#  For each  every block processed ...
continue
{
  print $block ;
}
  }
  __END__


  - Parv

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