OT: printer, our cups port, and is-there-a-generic-laser?
we had a power out here this morning and besides it costing most of
my day, it blew out my Brother laser printer. i just got it working
FINALLY with our cups stuff. don't asked me how; other than i was
using our olden lpr/lpd and had /etc/printcap.
is there a laser other than the brother {tm}? i mean, that the
members of this org would go for?
tia,
gary
PS: I THink it may be a fuse--wild guess
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Re: OT: printer, our cups port, and is-there-a-generic-laser?
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:28:08 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
is there a laser other than the brother {tm}? i mean, that the
members of this org would go for?
Yes: Office printers, even used ones are fine. Pay attention
that they have:
- ethernet port
- postscript
- if not: PCL
I'm using a HP Laserjet 4000 with duplex unit myself for many
years now - HAPPILY, as I can honestly admit, and in the past,
I've been using a HP Laserjet 4 attached to the parellel port.
All those old printers work wonderfully using just system
tools (lpr), as they speak PS, which is the default output
format for printing from any UNIX application. If they don't
speak PS or are slow processing it, use apsfilter from ports
together with gs (Ghosescript) to make PCL from any input.
You can do funny things like add pretty printing to any
text input (e. g. LaTeX), or even issue lpr picture.jpg
from the command line. Integration of the system tools to
image processing or office software is no problem.
Don't mess with USB and inkpee, it will cost you more in the
final calculation.
I also read that some of the brother printers are quite good,
as well as Kyocera, but I don't have own experience with them,
so I traditionally suggest getting a HP printer. Office printer.
Used office printer. For cheap. Really. :-)
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Re: OT: printer, our cups port, and is-there-a-generic-laser?
On 16.06.2011 08:28, Gary Kline wrote:
we had a power out here this morning and besides it costing most of
my day, it blew out my Brother laser printer. i just got it working
FINALLY with our cups stuff. don't asked me how; other than i was
using our olden lpr/lpd and had /etc/printcap.
is there a laser other than the brother {tm}? i mean, that the
members of this org would go for?
I'm very happy with my Xerox Phaser 6180 (color), but I've also used the
Phaser 3250. Both handle postscript + lpr just fine (and most other
standards), and priced affordable.
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Re: how do i fsck my server?
_ From: Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com To: Gary Kline kl...@thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sent: Wed, June 15, 2011 4:04:23 PM Subject: Re: how do i fsck my server? You can set fsck_y_enable=YES in /etc/rc.conf, but it shouldn't be necessary. The system can figure out for itself whether it shutdown cleanly or whether a fsck is necessary. fsck_y_enable=YES doesn't mean do an unconditional fsck, it means do an fsck -y if the preen fails. On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Bill Tillman btillma...@yahoo.com wrote: The correct reply to this IMHO should have been HELL YES, your server will check for a clean exit on every reboot. It will count to 60 seconds and then if the last shutdown was not clean it will start running fsck all by itself and this will tie up your system's resources for quite a while You can avoid that with gjournal. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
Le 15/06/2011 à 22:34:23+0200, Thomas Hansen a écrit one of my mates teacher says that unix is free and your system running like UnixWare / SCO UNIX and and that unix is free Do your BSD kernel run the same unix kernel as unixware Take a look : http://www.levenez.com/unix/ Regards. JAS -- Albert SHIH DIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Téléphone : 01 45 07 76 26/06 86 69 95 71 Heure local/Local time: jeu 16 jui 2011 11:19:21 CEST ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: OT: printer, our cups port, and is-there-a-generic-laser?
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
we had a power out here this morning and besides it costing most of
my day, it blew out my Brother laser printer. i just got it working
FINALLY with our cups stuff. don't asked me how; other than i was
using our olden lpr/lpd and had /etc/printcap.
is there a laser other than the brother {tm}? i mean, that the
members of this org would go for?
At home, I'm using an HP LaserJet 1320 over USB on FreeBSD
with CUPS. I understand that the networked version would be
even easier to install and use, but the 1320 was what I got, and
it's okay for light non-commercial use. Of course, with native
Postscript support (I've upgraded the RAM on the unit so that
it prints very complex graphics faster, but that's not strictly
necessary).
BTW, I fully agree with Polytropon: those old HP LaserJet 4000s
are absolutely GREAT, even if used. It's a shame that they don't
make 'em anymore: they were simply too good and didn't comply
with the current standard of crappiness, cheap plastics and badly
engineered trays etc... so obviously, they had to go. :-(
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Re: how do i fsck my server?
Facts: 8.2-RELEASE man fsck -B ... background fsck is limited to checking for only the most commonly occurring file system abnormalities. Under certain circumstances, some errors can escape background fsck. It is recommended that you perform foreground fsck on your systems periodically and whenever you encounter file-system-related panics. /usr/src/sbin/fsck/ f...@freebsd.org for specialist list discussion 8.2-RELEASE /usr/src/etc/defaults/rc.conf fsck_y_enable=NO ; background_fsck=YES My opinion: Some machines merit addition of /etc/rc.conf fsck_y_enable=YES Machines where data is mastered elsewhere: (some http ftp servers, routers, firewalls, name boot X servers, test boxes, laptops on day trips). Remote servers where a boot time interactive fsck Shall I fix ? , or failure to fix, could hang unreachably. ( If background_fsck=NO, more chance of interactive hang ) Some machines merit addition of /etc/rc.confbackground_fsck=NO For fuller fsck checking, examples: Machines with master copies of data. Laptops traveling for a week, where one can't return early to repair. One would avoid bothfsck_y_enable=YES background_fsck=YES if one has local access to console wants (if necessary) to be able to break out of fsck manually run fsdb. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; indent with ; Cumulative like a play script. Mail plain text: Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
finding kernel 'r' number
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Re: finding kernel 'r' number
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:16:45 -0400 Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote: For some time now, people have been referring to what build they're using by the 'r' number, which I believe to be part of svn. How would one go about determining this value for the installed kernel? I'm not sure you can: the revision only shows up if you have svn installed (devel/subversion-freebsd) and have built the kernel from code checked out from the svn server. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another PHP5 problem
I have very few uses for sqlite3 but I still have them. And PDO? Never seen anything run it. Some pretty big projects including Drupal CMS are moving to PDO. I reckon that having other options without reinventing the wheel, than one certain Oracle controlled DB-backend is starting to gain momentum. Just as a sidenote, PHP 5.3.6 so far seems to be unaffected by extension loading order, but looks like that any upgrade of apache, apr, php etc. means that every dependent module downstream has to be recompiled as well. -Reko ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/15 17:08:31 -0400 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net = To Thomas Hansen : CB FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free, whereas UNIX is CB still the proprietary property of ATT/Bell Labs. unix is a trademark of novell.com. 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: finding kernel 'r' number
On 06/16/2011 02:28 PM, Bruce Cran wrote: On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:16:45 -0400 Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote: For some time now, people have been referring to what build they're using by the 'r' number, which I believe to be part of svn. How would one go about determining this value for the installed kernel? I'm not sure you can: the revision only shows up if you have svn installed (devel/subversion-freebsd) and have built the kernel from code checked out from the svn server. You might want to read: http://wiki.freebsd.org/SubversionPrimer DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: finding kernel 'r' number
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:16 AM, Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote: For some time now, people have been referring to what build they're using by the 'r' number, which I believe to be part of svn. How would one go about determining this value for the installed kernel? Robert Huff That would be uname(1): $ uname -v FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #0 r223017: Sun Jun 12 13:55:34 CDT 2011 root@m6500.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC where r223017 is the current svn revision number from which my system is compiled (kernel and userland). For more options, see `man uname`. -Brandon ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: OT: printer, our cups port, and is-there-a-generic-laser?
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Gary Kline wrote:
we had a power out here this morning and besides it costing most of
my day, it blew out my Brother laser printer. i just got it working
FINALLY with our cups stuff. don't asked me how; other than i was
using our olden lpr/lpd and had /etc/printcap.
is there a laser other than the brother {tm}? i mean, that the
members of this org would go for?
I prefer used HP business-class lasers with instant-on fusers.
http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/usedlasers.html
Also, see lpd Printing With FreeBSD
http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/lpdprinting.html
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Re: finding kernel 'r' number
On 06/16/2011 02:32 PM, Brandon Gooch wrote: That would be uname(1): $ uname -v FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #0 r223017: Sun Jun 12 13:55:34 CDT 2011 root@m6500.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC where r223017 is the current svn revision number from which my system is compiled (kernel and userland). Does this only apply if you checkout with svn ? I run current on a machine, update with csup and have get r number with uname DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
On 16/06/2011 13:52, Peter Vereshagin wrote: You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/15 17:08:31 -0400 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net = To Thomas Hansen : CB FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free, whereas UNIX is CB still the proprietary property of ATT/Bell Labs. unix is a trademark of novell.com. Unix (note capitalization) is actually a trademark of the Open Group: http://www.unix.org/ It's been owned by them for more than ten years, but it was passed around between various owners quite a bit before that. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Read/Dump Bios chip info
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Re: finding kernel 'r' number
On 6/16/11 3:17 PM, Bas Smeelen wrote: On 06/16/2011 02:32 PM, Brandon Gooch wrote: That would be uname(1): $ uname -v FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #0 r223017: Sun Jun 12 13:55:34 CDT 2011 root@m6500.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC where r223017 is the current svn revision number from which my system is compiled (kernel and userland). Does this only apply if you checkout with svn ? I run current on a machine, update with csup and have get r number with uname Obviously only works if you checked out with SVN: # uname -a FreeBSD mybsd 8.2-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 8.2-PRERELEASE #2: Mon Feb 21 12:08:09 CET 2011 root@mybsd:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DAM amd64 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Read/Dump Bios chip info
On Jun 16, 2011, at 6:23 AM, Jean-Paul Natola jnat...@familycareintl.org wrote: Is there any program that can read and or dump the info written in a BIOS chip? pkg_add -r dmidecode -- Devin _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. _ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another PHP5 problem
At 03:41 PM 6/16/2011 +0300, Reko Turja wrote: I have very few uses for sqlite3 but I still have them. And PDO? Never seen anything run it. Some pretty big projects including Drupal CMS are moving to PDO. I reckon that having other options without reinventing the wheel, than one certain Oracle controlled DB-backend is starting to gain momentum. Just as a sidenote, PHP 5.3.6 so far seems to be unaffected by extension loading order, but looks like that any upgrade of apache, apr, php etc. means that every dependent module downstream has to be recompiled as well. -Reko With upgrade to php5-5.3.6 is the first time ever (many years) I've had any problem with php. The order of the extensions never came up as an issue, nor did it once I found the extensions causing the seg faults and core dumps. Ryan's suggestion of commenting out all of the extensions and then adding back 1 by 1 enabled me to find the offenders quickly. The 2 sqlite extensions caused the problem for me there also was a 3rd one and I removed them all as I don't use that database. For ports, I usually go with the defaults on options unless I KNOW what they do or don't do. Have used the same options and didn't know why the sqlites were added this time. That further cause an install of the core sqlite port. Without removing it, I couldn't delete the inclusion of the sqlite extensions. Now, I wrestling with the apache2 and apr0 issue. The apache port Makefile wants apr0, but it now has vulnablilities. Ports UPDATING says to do this with apr: - remove apache2 and then: portupgrade -f -o devel/apr1 devel/apr ...and then reinstall apache2. That didn't work because the Makefile in apache still wants apr0. I changed the Makefile to apr1 but the build failed after it looked again for that apr0 later in the build. I didn't find another call for apr0. What have others done for this? This is about the last issue I know about after the major upgrade of the ports. Thanks for all the help so far -- just any other help on the apr thingy would be nice. Yes, I have googled and always do before going to the trough here. Thanks again! (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
On Thursday, June 16, 2011 09:22:43 AM Matthew Seaman wrote: On 16/06/2011 13:52, Peter Vereshagin wrote: You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/15 17:08:31 -0400 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net = To Thomas Hansen : CB FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free, whereas UNIX is CB still the proprietary property of ATT/Bell Labs. unix is a trademark of novell.com. Unix (note capitalization) is actually a trademark of the Open Group: http://www.unix.org/ It's been owned by them for more than ten years, but it was passed around between various owners quite a bit before that. I think the confusion that you all are having is between the idea of copyright and trademark. They are different. Copyright applies to the code base, and trademark applies to the usage of the word UNIX and its associated symbols along with the right to use said symbols once your product complies with a set of specified standards. The copyright for UNIX is owned by Attachmate, which bought Novell recently (which has scared the pants off the OpenSUSE community, but that's a different tale). This has been proven in court. You can see the verdict on groklaw: http://www.groklaw.net/pdf2/Novell-846.pdf Open Group, however, is a completely different animal. They are a trademark certification organization. They do not own the UNIX copyright, they own the trademark and the specification. According to their website, The Open Group has separated the UNIX trademark from any actual code stream itself, thus allowing multiple implementations. So, if you wanted to call your software UNIX you would need to contact Open Group and make sure that your software licences the trademark, and complies with the standard. If you want to use the source code of UNIX itself, you would license that from Attachmate. Groklaw is a good place to start if you want to read about the whole debacle: http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20040319041857760 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another PHP5 problem
Now, I wrestling with the apache2 and apr0 issue. The apache port Makefile wants apr0, but it now has vulnablilities. Ports UPDATING says to do this with apr: - remove apache2 and then: portupgrade -f -o devel/apr1 devel/apr ...and then reinstall apache2. That didn't work because the Makefile in apache still wants apr0. I changed the Makefile to apr1 but the build failed after it looked again for that apr0 later in the build. I didn't find another call for apr0. Apache 2, not Apache 2.2? Could you consider upgrade - haven't had any problems with that version in several years now. Of course, everything depending on apache needs recompile afterwards. -Reko ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another PHP5 problem
Jack L. Stone wrote: [snip] Now, I wrestling with the apache2 and apr0 issue. The apache port Makefile wants apr0, but it now has vulnablilities. Ports UPDATING says to do this with apr: - remove apache2 and then: portupgrade -f -o devel/apr1 devel/apr ...and then reinstall apache2. That didn't work because the Makefile in apache still wants apr0. I changed the Makefile to apr1 but the build failed after it looked again for that apr0 later in the build. I didn't find another call for apr0. What have others done for this? This is about the last issue I know about after the major upgrade of the ports. Thanks for all the help so far -- just any other help on the apr thingy would be nice. Yes, I have googled and always do before going to the trough here. I seem to remember vaguely going through this once upon a time, I believe it was circa trying to move from apache 1.3.xx to apache 2.0. apr0 was for 1.3 and apr1 was for apache 2.0. I seem to recall a chicken and egg scenario about installing the apr(x) port first, then during the apache install it tried to install it again. Back then the apache 2.0 would mistakenly go looking for apr0 the second time unless there was something like a USE_APACHE= 20 (or something like that) in make.conf. I remember chasing my tail on that one. I think later the USE_APACHE= 20 became deprecated and APACHE_PORT=www/apache22 replaced it. Really, apache2 is dated. Apache22 is now the default. You would only require the make.conf entries described above to force a change from default(22). It doesn't have the problems you're having. If you are at this stage you should really make the move to apache22. Be advised though, it pulls in a few more dependencies than I'd really like, especially the apr1 (now named apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db42-1.4.5.1.3.12) port installing Python27. You might have to make a couple of twiddles on .conf files but it is something easy to do. But the sticky point is the apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db42-1.4.5.1.3.12 is the new apr1 port for apache22 installs, not the old devel/apr(x) - those are for 1.3 and 2.0 and will need the make.conf entry (22 won't need anything). At any rate take a gander at /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.apache.mk for more info. But if it were me instead of fighting I'd just go with the apache22 default instead of struggling with apache20. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another PHP5 problem
From: Michael Powell nightre...@hotmail.com pulls in a few more dependencies than I'd really like, especially the apr1 (now named apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db42-1.4.5.1.3.12) port installing The name depends completely on the knobs you have used with portbuild - my apr is: apr-ipv6-devrandom-db43-pgsql84-sqlite3-1.4.5.1.3.12 At any rate take a gander at /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.apache.mk for more info. But if it were me instead of fighting I'd just go with the apache22 default Yeah - the configuration differences are pretty minimal and even the 2.0 port makefile states now: DEPRECATED= will be unsupported by ASF when 2.4.0 is release, migrate to 2.2.x+ now -Reko ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/16 14:22:43 +0100 Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk = To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : MS CB FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free, whereas UNIX is MS CB still the proprietary property of ATT/Bell Labs. MS MS unix is a trademark of novell.com. MS MS Unix (note capitalization) is actually a trademark of the Open Group: MS http://www.unix.org/ But not of ATT/Bell Labs. MS It's been owned by them for more than ten years, but it was passed MS around between various owners quite a bit before that. There should be a difference recognized between own a Unix trademark by http://www.unix.org/trademark.html and ownership of the Unix copyrights by http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100330152829622 where I'm pass. Lawyers are so lawyers ;-) 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/16 10:06:42 -0400 Robert Simmons rsimmo...@gmail.com = To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : RS I think the confusion that you all are having is between the idea of RS copyright and trademark. They are different. Copyright applies to the As I suspected ;-) RS So, if you wanted to call your software UNIX you would need to contact Open RS Group and make sure that your software licences the trademark, and complies This will require some efforts from Open Group. Does FreeBSD Foundation pay for that? RS with the standard. If you want to use the source code of UNIX itself, you RS would license that from Attachmate. So nobody knows if Lunus will once upon a time split Linux code from himself de jure as he did de facto nowadays and just have an income from such a regular trademark sales from, say, Linux Foundation, Attachmate, etc.? 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Going STABLE in 64bit
Hi, I'm running 8.2 REL. Are there any specific things to be aware of when compiling kernel and making world in 64bit? Required kernel modules etc? I've only done this in 32bit. Thanks! Andreas --- Mvh/Rgds, Andreas Wideroe andr...@wideroe.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
On Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:29:42 AM Peter Vereshagin wrote: There should be a difference recognized between own a Unix trademark by http://www.unix.org/trademark.html and ownership of the Unix copyrights by http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100330152829622 where I'm pass. There is a difference (see my post earlier), or: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark Copyright pertains to the source code. Trademark pertains to the use of signs, symbols, names, logos, etc. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another PHP5 problem
At 06:18 PM 6/16/2011 +0300, Reko Turja wrote: From: Michael Powell nightre...@hotmail.com pulls in a few more dependencies than I'd really like, especially the apr1 (now named apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db42-1.4.5.1.3.12) port installing The name depends completely on the knobs you have used with portbuild - my apr is: apr-ipv6-devrandom-db43-pgsql84-sqlite3-1.4.5.1.3.12 At any rate take a gander at /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.apache.mk for more info. But if it were me instead of fighting I'd just go with the apache22 default Yeah - the configuration differences are pretty minimal and even the 2.0 port makefile states now: DEPRECATED= will be unsupported by ASF when 2.4.0 is release, migrate to 2.2.x+ now -Reko Thanks to both you and Mike for the advice. I've already installed apache22 on a test server and trying to allocate time to it as and when. Looks like this apr thing is going to raise the priority. Also, I see the sqlite3 is tacked on the apr you have. I only have: apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db46-mysql50-1.4.5.1.3.12 What are all of those conf files in the apache22/extra directory? Any includes needed there besides perhaps the ssl if used? Thanks guys! Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Going STABLE in 64bit
On 6/16/2011 11:49 AM, Andy Wodfer wrote: Hi, I'm running 8.2 REL. Are there any specific things to be aware of when compiling kernel and making world in 64bit? Required kernel modules etc? I sometimes forget that the kernel config is in cd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/ and not cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/ ... so I will be editing the wrong kernel config file, rebuilding, and not understanding why the changes are not reflected in my kernel as loaded. But other than that and a little longer build times, all is pretty much the same Just to be clear, you have an existing 64bit 8.2 system you are just updating to stable right ? ---Mike I've only done this in 32bit. Thanks! Andreas --- Mvh/Rgds, Andreas Wideroe andr...@wideroe.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- --- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, m...@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
On Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:47:32 AM Peter Vereshagin wrote: This will require some efforts from Open Group. Does FreeBSD Foundation pay for that? Not necessary. FreeBSD does not use (want to use/need to use) the UNIX trademark and according to the USL vs. BSDi court case, FreeBSD does not have to worry about copyright either. So nobody knows if Lunus will once upon a time split Linux code from himself de jure as he did de facto nowadays and just have an income from such a regular trademark sales from, say, Linux Foundation, Attachmate, etc.? No. The linux trademark in the US is held by Linus. The Linux Trademark Institute licenses the trademark to organizations under a free, perpetual, worldwide sublicense. So, even if Linus were to change his mind and try to start suing everyone using the trademark, (pigs fly first) it would all be thrown out of court. Additionally, the source code is GPL, so even if in the fictional world of Linus taking the trademark elsewhere, you can fork the code and call it Morphtkdlfgjfjdsksjfnmvmdkedkfjgjg, and you would be fine. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/programs/legal/trademark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/16 11:54:05 -0400 Robert Simmons rsimmo...@gmail.com = To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : RS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright RS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark I'll surely will when I'll have some to trade ;-) RS Copyright pertains to the source code. Trademark pertains to the use of RS signs, symbols, names, logos, etc. Source code itself can have 'signs, symbols, names, logos, etc.' and consist in terms of its usability of them, doesn't it just use to? 'signs, symbols, names, logos, etc.' same way can have their source code and consist in terms of their usability of it, doesn't they just use to? Such a relationships system will just ruin into ashes droven by such a kinds of the internal controversions. Murphy's rule for that case is: all of that will happen just in time I'll be ready to use it. Don't just make this moment come sooner with my understanding. ;-) 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
-- From: Robert Simmons rsimmo...@gmail.com thrown out of court. Additionally, the source code is GPL, so even if in the fictional world of Linus taking the trademark elsewhere, you can fork the code and call it Morphtkdlfgjfjdsksjfnmvmdkedkfjgjg, and you would be fine. In that fictional world MySQL needed a fork and some GPL'd programs have been retroactively made completely closed source, forking denied after taking the issue into court... -Reko ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
On Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:31:19 PM Reko Turja wrote: In that fictional world MySQL needed a fork and some GPL'd programs have been retroactively made completely closed source, forking denied after taking the issue into court... I thought that Sun reversed that decision in 2008. Can you give some examples? There are two major GPL forks of MySQL right now: http://drizzle.org/ and http://mariadb.org/about/ MariaDB is the drop-in replacement for MySQL for people who want to get away from Oracle/MySQL AB. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another PHP5 problem
From: Jack L. Stone ja...@sage-american.com Also, I see the sqlite3 is tacked on the apr you have. I only have: apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db46-mysql50-1.4.5.1.3.12 Yeah when I ran make config for apr I selected sqlite as I had it already installed for stuff where I might need SQL capabilities, but full blown server is too 'heavy'. What are all of those conf files in the apache22/extra directory? Any includes needed there besides perhaps the ssl if used? Check those through, just in case there are some options you might want to include or are already using. I've moved the ones I needed to the Includes subdir and kept extra purely as a storage for originals. But sadly can't help more with the needed extra includes as those are so much dependent on your needs and setup. -Reko ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another PHP5 problem
Jack L. Stone wrote: [snip] Thanks to both you and Mike for the advice. I've already installed apache22 on a test server and trying to allocate time to it as and when. Looks like this apr thing is going to raise the priority. You shouldn't have any of these apr problems with 22. Also, I see the sqlite3 is tacked on the apr you have. I only have: apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db46-mysql50-1.4.5.1.3.12 The name depends completely on the knobs you have used with portbuild - my apr is: apr-ipv6-devrandom-db43-pgsql84-sqlite3-1.4.5.1.3.12 Depends on what knobs you chose during the make config stage. What are all of those conf files in the apache22/extra directory? Any includes needed there besides perhaps the ssl if used? These are essentially just the big httpd.conf of old broken into separate sections. Many are not needed. You'll probably need httpd-default.conf, httpd-ssl.conf, httpd-mpm.conf at the bare minimum. If you are running any vhosts their configs will be in httpd-vhosts.conf. The no-accf.conf under includes is for if you do not desire to use either of the AcceptFilter choices, one for httpd the other for SSL traffic. These can be loaded as kernel modules in /boot/loader.conf as such: accf_http_load=YES accf_data_load=YES When there is a problem with these Apache will emit an error warning, but will operate OK. They are supposed to provide some small measure of performance improvement. What I've noticed is I never seem to get any warning when I boot a machine and Apache starts right up. I've only ever seen a warning occassionally when restarting. the no-accf.conf is simply telling Apache not to look for these modules. If you load these kernel modules simply comment out the 'Include' line at the bottom of httpd.conf. The structure of the .conf file storage has changed, but once you look at the individual files themselves a lot of it is familiar, just divided up into pieces. There have been new and changed Directives from Apache 13, 20, and 22. What I did was to let apache22 install all it's default files and then just migrated over settings from backup copies of what I had in place beforehand. One thing you'll want to know for the future - When you did make config to set the options for the Apache build the config gets saved as an 'options' file under /var/db/ports/apache22. There is a corresponding one for apr. Any additional extra build options not set here should be set in /etc/make.conf. Now I am remiss at going over and comparing mine for dupes and misfits, but by way of example my make.conf has this section in it: #For Apache-2.2.9 Build WITH_MPM=event WITH_THREADS=yes WITHOUT_AUTHN_MODULES=yes WITH_CUSTOM_AUTHZ=authz_host WITHOUT_DAV_MODULES=yes WITHOUT_LDAP_MODULES=yes #WITH_PROXY_MODULES=yes #WITHOUT_SUEXEC_MODULES=yes WITH_THREADS_MODULES=yes WITH_CACHE_MODULES=yes WITH_SSL_MODULES=yes WITH_AUTH_MODULES=yes WITH_MISC_MODULES=yes WITH_CUSTOM_EXPERIMENTAL=ext_filter As you can see it's old. The advantage of having these 2 configs stored is from now on out when you do a portupgrade it will be pretty automagical. I've portupgraded since 2.2.9 and never had to mess with fixing anything! Also, I would suspect your apr was just built with whatever the port maintainer has set as defaults if you just launched the Apache build and it built the apr port as a dependency. You can set your own if you build and do a 'make config' in the apr port first, or you could also do 'make config recursive' when beginning the Apache build and this allows to set dependency options ahead of time. The first time a port is built and there are no saved 'options' file it will display the build options for you to choose. Once this file exists you need to do 'make config' to bring that screen up again. A 'make config recursive' will walk the dependency tree and show you them all. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
On 16 June 2011 17:47, Robert Simmons rsimmo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:31:19 PM Reko Turja wrote: In that fictional world MySQL needed a fork and some GPL'd programs have been retroactively made completely closed source, forking denied after taking the issue into court... I thought that Sun reversed that decision in 2008. Can you give some examples? There are two major GPL forks of MySQL right now: http://drizzle.org/ and http://mariadb.org/about/ MariaDB is the drop-in replacement for MySQL for people who want to get away from Oracle/MySQL AB. This thread appears to have drifted off topic. Perhaps move to chat? Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another PHP5 problem
At 12:56 PM 6/16/2011 -0400, Michael Powell wrote: Jack L. Stone wrote: -Mike Mike, very useful info. I had surmised about the extra .configs to reduce the size of the main config file. I had already started doing that with apache2. Have been studying the files and comparing to my present httpd.conf and do see some changes that I suppose will emerge should they be needed. Some lines/sections just have been moved around. Again, thanks for taking the time with the info. Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
On Thu, June 16, 2011 12:20 pm, Peter Vereshagin wrote: You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/16 11:54:05 -0400 Robert Simmons rsimmo...@gmail.com = To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : RS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright RS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark I'll surely will when I'll have some to trade ;-) RS Copyright pertains to the source code. Trademark pertains to the use of RS signs, symbols, names, logos, etc. Source code itself can have 'signs, symbols, names, logos, etc.' and consist in terms of its usability of them, doesn't it just use to? 'signs, symbols, names, logos, etc.' same way can have their source code and consist in terms of their usability of it, doesn't they just use to? Trademark is for 'this is made by me. I put my name on it.' Copyright is for the content of a book/speech/whatever. 'Trademark' is a _maker's mark._ The point is not encouraging the creation of works (like copyright): The point is so that a maker/seller can build a reputation with their customers. They are very different in terms, uses, and requirements. In theory it is possible to hold both a trademark and a copyright on the same thing, but it is hard. (You will likely fail applicability tests for one or the other.) It is of course possible to put a trademark on something you've copyrighted, so people know who created it. Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
startup postgresql 9.0.3
I've installed and tested postgresql just fine on FreeBSD 8.2. I've been trying to get postgresql (the server) to start on bootup using /etc/rc.conf system. I'm using the script from the tarball (found in the contrib/start-scripts/freebsd of postreges tarball) I can't seem to get it to work on FreeBSD 8.2 amd64 (I don't think the arch is important here, but you never know). As instructed in the script, I've moved the file to /usr/local/etc/rc.d/postgresql I've added the postgresql_enable=YES to /etc/rc/conf. I know I'm missing some magic here (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/rc-scripting/index.html perhaps?) I've /usr/local/pgsql/bin./postgres --help'd too and can't seem to get traction. Can you please help? I'm sure this is something simple I'm neglecting. Please don't respond with Why don't you just use the ports collection? There's reasons - like: 1) need to build from source, 3) it's for a tutorial, and 3) postgresql90-server isn't building. Respectfully, Jeff. Jeff Hamann, PhD PO Box 1421 Corvallis, Oregon 97339-1421 541-754-2457 jeff.hamann[at]forestinformatics[dot]com http://www.forestinformatics.com http://forufus.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/16 13:36:32 -0400 Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net = To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : DS RS Copyright pertains to the source code. Trademark pertains to the use DS of DS RS signs, symbols, names, logos, etc. DS DS Source code itself can have 'signs, symbols, names, logos, etc.' and DS consist in terms of its usability of them, doesn't it just use to? DS 'signs, symbols, names, logos, etc.' same way can have their source code DS and consist in terms of their usability of it, doesn't they just use to? DS DS Trademark is for 'this is made by me. I put my name on it.' Copyright is DS for the content of a book/speech/whatever. But both are just words/phrases, right? How one can be sure the trademark is allowed to copy? It is a thing to be created. How one can be sure the copyrighted work itself is not a trademark? It can be that strange word the one suggested to rebrand Linux in this thread. Of course it doesn't sound to be a trademark yet so right now I can restrict its copyright. But years later it may happen to be a recognized brand and to be a trademark, right? ;-) There should be a threshold of up to N bytes/characters it is a trademark, but more than it it is a work to be copyrighted', right? DS 'Trademark' is a _maker's mark._ The point is not encouraging the DS creation of works (like copyright): The point is so that a maker/seller so 'Trademark' is ought to be nothing creative? But companies use to spend a lots to invent them... DS can build a reputation with their customers. DS DS They are very different in terms, uses, and requirements. In theory it is DS possible to hold both a trademark and a copyright on the same thing, but DS it is hard. (You will likely fail applicability tests for one or the DS other.) It is of course possible to put a trademark on something you've DS copyrighted, so people know who created it. DS DS Daniel T. Staal DS DS --- DS This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you DS are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use DS the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will DS expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, DS whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of DS local copyright law. DS --- DS DS ___ DS freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list DS http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions DS To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 02:22:43PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 16/06/2011 13:52, Peter Vereshagin wrote: unix is a trademark of novell.com. Unix (note capitalization) is actually a trademark of the Open Group: http://www.unix.org/ In case it was lost in the informative explanations of others, here's the short version: * UNIX is a trademark of the Open Group. Unix is not. * The UNIX source code's copyright is held by . . . damn. It keeps changing. I remember that it was once owned by Novell, but I think they might have sold it after the whole SCO fiasco. FreeBSD uses BSD Unix source, not SysV Unix source, both of which are descended from original ATT UNIX source -- but the BSD Unix source is distributed under the BSD License, while the SysV Unix source copyright is tightly controlled under proprietary terms. For any of the above to be called UNIX, it must meet the Open Group's certification standards and (more importantly) have some certification fee paid, as I understand it. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpzHDlCJHbDX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: free sco unix
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:20:11PM +0400, Peter Vereshagin wrote: But both are just words/phrases, right? Here's an example of the difference: UNIX, the name, is a trademark. We can use it all we like here, speaking about the UNIX trademark, its applicability, who owns the trademark, and so on. We just can't claim *we* own it, misapply it to things to which it does not legally apply, and so on (subject to some fair use exceptions, such as parodies). The source code of a closed source UNIX operating system such as HP-UX is not trademarked, because it is not an identifying mark. Because it is subject to copyright, if one of us has legally gained access to it, we cannot just post it all in its entirety to the mailing list (assuming that posting that much source to the list wasn't a problem in and of itself) without violating copyright laws of most industrialized countries -- regardless of what we said about it. The difference is that trademarks are used to identify some entity and its creations, while copyrights are used to censor the redistribution of creations themselves. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpypo8icowY9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: startup postgresql 9.0.3
On Jun 16, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Jeff Hamann wrote: I've installed and tested postgresql just fine on FreeBSD 8.2. I gather this means running the database manually via postgres -D /usr/local/pgsql/data works normally? As instructed in the script, I've moved the file to /usr/local/etc/rc.d/postgresql I've added the postgresql_enable=YES to /etc/rc/conf. Is /usr/local/etc/rc.d/postgresql executable? What does /usr/local/etc/rc.d/postgresql start do? (If you don't get a useful answer, running it via sh -x might be more informative.) Please don't respond with Why don't you just use the ports collection? There's reasons - like: 1) need to build from source, 3) it's for a tutorial, and 3) postgresql90-server isn't building. You've counted to three rather oddly there. Obviously, building from ports is building from source. I don't see how the first 3) is relevant, but the errors reported from the second 3) might be more interesting. Regard, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/16 12:46:20 -0600 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com = To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : CP But both are just words/phrases, right? CP CP Here's an example of the difference: Good example, it's on-topic ;-) CP UNIX, the name, is a trademark. We can use it all we like here, speaking Do we need a license to use it? ;-) CP about the UNIX trademark, its applicability, who owns the trademark, and CP so on. We just can't claim *we* own it, misapply it to things to which So it's just enough to reserve a copyright on this word usage and we will have just another reason why we can't claim we own it ;-) Sorry my confusion, it's just a new thing to me and it seems as absurd as those ideas. CP it does not legally apply, and so on (subject to some fair use CP exceptions, such as parodies). CP CP The source code of a closed source UNIX operating system such as HP-UX is CP not trademarked, because it is not an identifying mark. Because it is CP subject to copyright, if one of us has legally gained access to it, we CP cannot just post it all in its entirety to the mailing list (assuming CP that posting that much source to the list wasn't a problem in and of CP itself) without violating copyright laws of most industrialized CP countries -- regardless of what we said about it. CP CP The difference is that trademarks are used to identify some entity and CP its creations, while copyrights are used to censor the redistribution of CP creations themselves. CP CP -- CP Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/16 12:30:07 -0600 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com = To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : CP * The UNIX source code's copyright is held by . . . damn. It keeps I always told this name is a kind of Black Label. Companies to hold it use to meet fatal troubles, even if it's not a trademark ownership, e. g., in the case of Sun. CP For any of the above to be called UNIX, it must meet the Open Group's CP certification standards and (more importantly) have some certification CP fee paid, as I understand it. I believe Linus, on some stage, wouldn't refuse to certify his 'minix clone' in the case it was for free. In his 'Just for fun' he tells he was following by Solaris specs, so the well-known truth he started it from scratch may appear to be not the all the truth in terms of legacy? Anyway the price of 'unix certification' service from the open group seem to be deeper than I can challenge, is it normal? Meanwhile, the same thing from LMI, the 'sublicensing' of the trademarks, even up to internet domains required in certain cases, seem to be paid in certain cases but there is no price I can find. What a dark forest is all that legal thing... 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another PHP5 problem
At 12:56 PM 6/16/2011 -0400, Michael Powell wrote: Jack L. Stone wrote: The no-accf.conf under includes is for if you do not desire to use either of the AcceptFilter choices, one for httpd the other for SSL traffic. These can be loaded as kernel modules in /boot/loader.conf as such: accf_http_load=YES accf_data_load=YES Mike Mike: Got the apache22 configured on the test server with one exception being the error I keep getting regarding this one: [warn] (22)Invalid argument: Failed to enable the 'httpready' Accept Filter I first loaded it in the kernel via kldload: # kldload accf_http The first apache22 restart didn't have the error, but returned on other restarts. Can't seem to unload the line from the kernel and add to the boot loader.conf. What did I do wrong? Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: startup postgresql 9.0.3
Jeff Hamann wrote: I've installed and tested postgresql just fine on FreeBSD 8.2. I've been trying to get postgresql (the server) to start on bootup using /etc/rc.conf system. Sometime quite a while back FreeBSD imported the rc.subr startup subsystem from NetBSD. I'm using the script from the tarball (found in the contrib/start-scripts/freebsd of postreges tarball) This script is not in rc.subr format, looks a tad Linuxy at first glance. I can't seem to get it to work on FreeBSD 8.2 amd64 (I don't think the arch is important here, but you never know). As instructed in the script, I've moved the file to /usr/local/etc/rc.d/postgresql This is definitely the right location. There are some instructions on a couple of other things to look at first in the ports build output. These can be examined in the port directory for clues. I've added the postgresql_enable=YES to /etc/rc/conf. As a non rc.subr script it will never pick up this variable. I know I'm missing some magic here (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/rc- scripting/index.html perhaps?) I've /usr/local/pgsql/bin./postgres --help'd too and can't seem to get traction. If everything else seems OK, like you can start it without the script and all you need to do is convert the script over so it will start with boot, look over the port patchset and some of the other startup scripts. It's not too difficult once you see how the other rc.subr scripts are put together. I thought a sysvinit script would still work as a fallback as long as it was marked executable, and perhaps with a .sh at the end. I remember needing the .sh for a while and discovering they were supposed to work anyway without it. Upon investigation that turned out to be something I missed/ignored with mergemaster during a system update. Maybe this has fallen by the wayside. Can you please help? I'm sure this is something simple I'm neglecting. I'm pretty simple myself. If I can install it with the ports system where all the hard stuff has been handled for me by people smarter than me, well, that's a no-brainer. :-) Please don't respond with Why don't you just use the ports collection? My first inclination. Postgresql is a fairly complicated thing and using the ports to install it makes it go. Too many other pressing issues... There's reasons - like: 1) need to build from source Uhmmm - ports build from source. 3) it's for a tutorial - non-sequitur 3) postgresql90-server isn't building. I would be more concerned by this. I just went to the postgresql90-server port and it built just fine. If it isn't for you it indicates other problems with your system. Another thing you'll find eventually, that when you don't use the ports system maintenance will soon become a nightmare. As a sysadmin I make it a point to not shoot myself in the foot. Building stuff from tarballs is for the birds from a sysadmins point of view. It's called: Ready! Fire! Aim! -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another PHP5 problem
The no-accf.conf under includes is for if you do not desire to use either of the AcceptFilter choices, one for httpd the other for SSL traffic. These can be loaded as kernel modules in /boot/loader.conf as such: accf_http_load=YES accf_data_load=YES You can also build the modules into kernel itself with: #Apache kernel modules options ACCEPT_FILTER_HTTP options ACCEPT_FILTER_DATA I reckon that the thing you are missing is kernel rebuild and reinstall. -Reko ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another PHP5 problem
Jack L. Stone wrote: At 12:56 PM 6/16/2011 -0400, Michael Powell wrote: Jack L. Stone wrote: The no-accf.conf under includes is for if you do not desire to use either of the AcceptFilter choices, one for httpd the other for SSL traffic. These can be loaded as kernel modules in /boot/loader.conf as such: accf_http_load=YES accf_data_load=YES Mike Mike: Got the apache22 configured on the test server with one exception being the error I keep getting regarding this one: [warn] (22)Invalid argument: Failed to enable the 'httpready' Accept Filter I first loaded it in the kernel via kldload: # kldload accf_http The first apache22 restart didn't have the error, but returned on other restarts. Can't seem to unload the line from the kernel and add to the boot loader.conf. What did I do wrong? The /boot/loader.conf is just a text file that you add lines of text. It is read and stuff done only at boot. When these modules are loaded at boot you do not need to kldload them. Nearest thing I can figure is they need to be loaded at boot, then Apache gets started right after. When this sequence applies there will not be these messages. For a server that stays up and online all the time this is not a problem. The only time I've ever seen this error is on apachectl restarts at times other than booting. And I don't really know why either. Strictly speaking these thing are not required, they are only supposedly some small performance enhancer. I have also never seen Apache actually fail or exhibit any problems even in spite of this error message. But I don't apachectl restart (or reboot for that matter) very often. You could just as easily forgo this, e.g. not load the kernel modules and leave the Include etc/apache22/Includes/*.conf line in your httpd.conf and never notice any difference. This will load the no-accf.conf files from the includes directory and tell Apache not to look for these modules. Whether and/or how much these actually help Apache is probably debatable. They are supposed to be helpful performance-wise, but as to how much I couldn't say. But I have never seen this error/warning message actually be related to any problem, and since I don't reboot or restart all the time I don't get them. You could just as easily forego using them and probably never notice. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another PHP5 problem
At 10:57 PM 6/16/2011 +0300, Reko Turja wrote: The no-accf.conf under includes is for if you do not desire to use either of the AcceptFilter choices, one for httpd the other for SSL traffic. These can be loaded as kernel modules in /boot/loader.conf as such: accf_http_load=YES accf_data_load=YES You can also build the modules into kernel itself with: #Apache kernel modules options ACCEPT_FILTER_HTTP options ACCEPT_FILTER_DATA I reckon that the thing you are missing is kernel rebuild and reinstall. -Reko Hi, Reko: Was hoping to avoid that, but really no biggie. Thanks! Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: OT: printer, our cups port, and is-there-a-generic-laser?
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:00:30 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: Also, see lpd Printing With FreeBSD http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/lpdprinting.html It's worth mentioning that real office printers (those that come with Ethernet) traditionally contain their own lpd subsystem, so you can submit printing jobs directly into the printer and manipulate _that_ queue using the system's lp* tools. This is very comfortable when you have more than one computer in the house. You don't need to mess with silly drivers, you simply point to the printer's IP. Yes, it _is_ that simple. Now all PCs in the (home) network can send their jobs directly into the printer. Another point is that office hardware, if old enough, lasts nearly forever. I know that my experience is very limited, but the HP Laserjet 4 which I do own for nearly 20 years now is the best example. I got it as a used (!) printer, so I can't tell what the former owner did to it. I did excessively use that printer for many years now, and it is STILL WORKING. I can even get spare parts for that old device if needed. But go ahead, buy a cheap USB inkpee printer, and we'll discuss in 20 years if it is still working. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:29:42 +0400, Peter Vereshagin pe...@vereshagin.org wrote: Lawyers are so lawyers ;-) Two lawyers, three opinions. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
OT: Strange memory reading (hardware)
Greetings I have a strange problem with memory on one of my computers. I have recently converted this computer to a NAS server. It is an Asus A8N-VM MB running freenas amd64. I have 4 one Gig memory sticks installed and as well as I can remember, it had always seen the 4 Gig of RAM. Most recently I had 9 current installed. The problem is not with freenas as it is absolutely hardware. I have tested with all of the sticks installed and with one at a time. When all of the sticks are installed, BIOS show a total of 2752 MB of RAM. If any of the sticks are installed alone in any of the four slots, BIOS then shows 960 MB instead of the 1024 one would expect. Quickly subtracting 960 from 1024 gets 64 MB missing. Hmmm, perhaps an address lead or data lead on the MB is open. This I can understand, but using any finagling factors I can think of, I can't get close to the missing total of 1344 MB (4096-2752). The freenas system runs quite well with the available memory but I was wondering if anyone could help me understand this problem. Thank you for reading this and i hope you are having a great day. Robert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: OT: Strange memory reading (hardware)
On Jun 16, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Robert wrote: I have tested with all of the sticks installed and with one at a time. When all of the sticks are installed, BIOS show a total of 2752 MB of RAM. If any of the sticks are installed alone in any of the four slots, BIOS then shows 960 MB instead of the 1024 one would expect. Sounds like the BIOS is stealing 64MB for video RAM. There's likely a BIOS setting which governs the size of this. As for not being able to access all 4GB, this is a FAQ. If you run a 32-bit system, the top gigabyte or so of address space is reserved for memory mapped I/O reservations like AGP, PCIe, etc. If your hardware is capable of running in 64-bit mode, do that. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Strange memory reading (hardware)
It's quite simple really, it's another hidden tax - Redistribution of RAM. You see, even with all the entitlement programs poor people can't afford more than 512MB of RAM. As you are certainly aware that's not enough to watch YouTube and Hulu on their government funded (tax payer funded) ultra high speed internet connections. So, the government has taken some of your RAM (as you obviously can afford to buy more if needed) and will give it to those who really NEED it - so while they sit around collecting government aid (tax payer earnings) their streaming video's will play smoothly. Woa - I guess I digressed a bit... Ummm, sorry - I don't know why this would be. Is there some memory mapped video (or disk controller?) stealing RAM? G -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 4:11 PM To: freebsd-questions@ Subject: OT: Strange memory reading (hardware) Greetings I have a strange problem with memory on one of my computers. I have recently converted this computer to a NAS server. It is an Asus A8N-VM MB running freenas amd64. I have 4 one Gig memory sticks installed and as well as I can remember, it had always seen the 4 Gig of RAM. Most recently I had 9 current installed. The problem is not with freenas as it is absolutely hardware. I have tested with all of the sticks installed and with one at a time. When all of the sticks are installed, BIOS show a total of 2752 MB of RAM. If any of the sticks are installed alone in any of the four slots, BIOS then shows 960 MB instead of the 1024 one would expect. Quickly subtracting 960 from 1024 gets 64 MB missing. Hmmm, perhaps an address lead or data lead on the MB is open. This I can understand, but using any finagling factors I can think of, I can't get close to the missing total of 1344 MB (4096-2752). The freenas system runs quite well with the available memory but I was wondering if anyone could help me understand this problem. Thank you for reading this and i hope you are having a great day. Robert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
--As of June 16, 2011 11:21:34 PM +0400, Peter Vereshagin is alleged to have said: CP UNIX, the name, is a trademark. We can use it all we like here, speaking Do we need a license to use it? ;-) According to what I recall of my 'business law for managers' classes: As long as we don't claim we own it, and only *referring* to the company who does or it's products, no. It's an identifying mark: You can use it to identify. I don't need a license to talk about Peter Vershagain, as long as I don't claim that *I* am Peter Vershagain. ;) If I wanted to say that something I was selling was something you had made or endorsed, I'd want to pay you for a licence to use your name in that context. Your name isn't copyrighted: Anyone can copy it. But we can't *claim* it. CP about the UNIX trademark, its applicability, who owns the trademark, and CP so on. We just can't claim *we* own it, misapply it to things to which So it's just enough to reserve a copyright on this word usage and we will have just another reason why we can't claim we own it ;-) Sorry my confusion, it's just a new thing to me and it seems as absurd as those ideas. It's extremely hard to claim a copyright on a single word: You have to meet an orgininality requirement that a single word is going to have trouble meeting. A longer work, a story or a section of code, is much more original, so you can take out a copyright on it. This means you have the right to say who can and cannot make copies. (Mostly cannot...) But if you give someone the right to make a copy, they still can't say that *you* made that copy. (But they must say that the words are yours, unless you've given them the right to do otherwise.) (And note that a pure list of facts can't be copyrighted: The phone book is often an example. It's just a list of names and numbers.) A trademark is a mark: It marks a product as having come from a person or company. A copyright is a license/right: It allows you to control what other people do with your work. (Or some of it.) They are two very different, if somewhat confusing, things. Another example: If you wrote a program, you'd probably want to say who can sell it (or give it away) and under what conditions. That's copyright. (Even if your conditions are just 'don't take off my trademark'.) You'd probably also want people to know who wrote it, so you'd put your name on it. That's a trademark. Daniel T. Staal CP Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:20:43 -0400, Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net wrote: According to what I recall of my 'business law for managers' classes: As long as we don't claim we own it, and only *referring* to the company who does or it's products, no. It's an identifying mark: You can use it to identify. That's correct, and you can see an evidence directly on the FreeBSD main web page: Based on BSD UNIX(R) This indicates that the name UNIX is a registered trademark (which is registered to its owner). It's extremely hard to claim a copyright on a single word: You have to meet an orgininality requirement that a single word is going to have trouble meeting. There is another important term, but I'm not sure how to translate it properly. In German, it's Schaffenshoehe, refering to the level of work you put into creating it. This finalizes in patent law. To make sure nobody can make money out of trivial patents, such as patenting the word or and forcing everybody to pay a license fee for using it, there is a certain barrier that prohibits copyright claims on too simple things. A longer work, a story or a section of code, is much more original, so you can take out a copyright on it. This means you have the right to say who can and cannot make copies. (Mostly cannot...) Correct, those are the licensing terms common to software licenses, but they basically apply everywhere where permissions to do something are granted, or vice versa. But if you give someone the right to make a copy, they still can't say that *you* made that copy. (But they must say that the words are yours, unless you've given them the right to do otherwise.) This topic is currently in the news in Germany: Intellectual theft - where you claim other's persons words (and work) to be your own, i. e. quoting without indicating so. (And note that a pure list of facts can't be copyrighted: The phone book is often an example. It's just a list of names and numbers.) Interesting, never tought of that, but sounds obvious. A trademark is a mark: It marks a product as having come from a person or company. A copyright is a license/right: It allows you to control what other people do with your work. (Or some of it.) They are two very different, if somewhat confusing, things. Another example: If you wrote a program, you'd probably want to say who can sell it (or give it away) and under what conditions. That's copyright. (Even if your conditions are just 'don't take off my trademark'.) You'd probably also want people to know who wrote it, so you'd put your name on it. That's a trademark. Thanks for making this important difference clear. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Auto Reply: Re: free sco unix
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Re: Strange memory reading (hardware)
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:09:30 -0500 Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote: It's quite simple really, it's another hidden tax - Redistribution of RAM. You see, even with all the entitlement programs poor people can't afford more than 512MB of RAM. As you are certainly aware that's not enough to watch YouTube and Hulu on their government funded (tax payer funded) ultra high speed internet connections. So, the government has taken some of your RAM (as you obviously can afford to buy more if needed) and will give it to those who really NEED it - so while they sit around collecting government aid (tax payer earnings) their streaming video's will play smoothly. What! I didn't even vote for those guys. :-) Woa - I guess I digressed a bit... Ummm, sorry - I don't know why this would be. Is there some memory mapped video (or disk controller?) stealing RAM? I guess I wasn't clear. Only 2752 MB is show during POST instead 0f 4096. It has always shown 4096 on this MB. Thanks for lighting up my day with the above humor. :-) Robert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: OT: Strange memory reading (hardware)
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:11:22 -0700 Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: On Jun 16, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Robert wrote: I have tested with all of the sticks installed and with one at a time. When all of the sticks are installed, BIOS show a total of 2752 MB of RAM. If any of the sticks are installed alone in any of the four slots, BIOS then shows 960 MB instead of the 1024 one would expect. Sounds like the BIOS is stealing 64MB for video RAM. There's likely a BIOS setting which governs the size of this. As for not being able to access all 4GB, this is a FAQ. If you run a 32-bit system, the top gigabyte or so of address space is reserved for memory mapped I/O reservations like AGP, PCIe, etc. If your hardware is capable of running in 64-bit mode, do that. Regards, Chuck Thanks for the reply. I should have been clearer. During POST only 2752 MB is shown. Also, I am running the amd64 version of freenas. As I said, I am 100% sure this is a MOBO hardware problem and I was just trying to compute the math. Robert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: OT: Strange memory reading (hardware)
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: As for not being able to access all 4GB, this is a FAQ. If you run a 32-bit system, the top gigabyte or so of address space is reserved for memory mapped I/O reservations like AGP, PCIe, etc. If your hardware is capable of running in 64-bit mode, do that. If the issue is present at POST, then it's not related to the FAQ you are referring too. In that case, the only fix I'm aware of it to update the BIOS which isn't always possible. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: OT: Strange memory reading (hardware)
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Jun 16 16:56:48 2011 Return-Path: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (ns2.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.129]) by mail2.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb2) with ESMTP id p5GLumlV010091 for bon...@host120.r-bonomi.com; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:56:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [69.147.83.53]) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.3/rdb2) with ESMTP id p5GLudZT008266 for bon...@host128.r-bonomi.com; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:56:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C936D1A7089; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:56:17 + (UTC) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD831065705; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:56:16 + (UTC) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org) Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E85106564A for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:56:08 + (UTC) (envelope-from travelin...@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (fed1rmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3F68FC15 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:56:07 + (UTC) Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id 20110616211036.xegd17030.fed1rmfepo101.cox@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:10:36 -0400 Received: from dell64 ([72.220.91.219]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id wlAb1g00m4jy6EY04lAbTe; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:10:35 -0400 X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.4DFA714C.000D,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=SPmPLnc/YPzADk30Gyv1IeI7DxEcAgWbYPJMz2yeYQM= c=1 sm=1 a=psGcP66QiRcA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=olICo1sKaMXbpqbYUd6B5g==:17 a=FRAN3z_KNnB9zMti78sA:9 a=Vsz6ik2fFBHHgstyK_YA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=olICo1sKaMXbpqbYUd6B5g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:10:30 -0700 From: Robert travelin...@cox.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 20110616141030.0f3dc5f3@dell64 X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: OT: Strange memory reading (hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions freebsd-questions.freebsd.org List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions, mailto:freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions List-Post: mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Help: mailto:freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.org?subject=help List-Subscribe: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions, mailto:freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe Sender: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Status: R Greetings I have a strange problem with memory on one of my computers. I have recently converted this computer to a NAS server. It is an Asus A8N-VM MB running freenas amd64. I have 4 one Gig memory sticks installed and as well as I can remember, it had always seen the 4 Gig of RAM. Most recently I had 9 current installed. The problem is not with freenas as it is absolutely hardware. I have tested with all of the sticks installed and with one at a time. When all of the sticks are installed, BIOS show a total of 2752 MB of RAM. If any of the sticks are installed alone in any of the four slots, BIOS then shows 960 MB instead of the 1024 one would expect. Quickly subtracting 960 from 1024 gets 64 MB missing. Hmmm, perhaps an address lead or data lead on the MB is open. This I can understand, but using any finagling factors I can think of, I can't get close to the missing total of 1344 MB (4096-2752). The freenas system runs quite well with the available memory but I was wondering if anyone could help me understand this problem. Thank you for reading this and i hope you are having a great day. Robert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
Re: free sco unix
--As of June 17, 2011 12:47:45 AM +0200, Polytropon is alleged to have said: (And note that a pure list of facts can't be copyrighted: The phone book is often an example. It's just a list of names and numbers.) Interesting, never tought of that, but sounds obvious. --As for the rest, it is mine. I should be careful with that one actually; It's fairly recent case law in the US that set that particular barrier. I can't guarantee that it's the case elsewhere in the world. In the USA, you have to do something more than just compile the data and present it in a simplistic fashion to gain a copyright. If you have an *interesting* sorting scheme that could do it, or if you add value some other way, but if all you've done are presented the basic facts, you haven't advanced the state of the art. (The other common case in the USA is road maps. A simple 'lines following their geographic contours, labeled' is a set of facts. One result of this is that most road maps in the US either are missing some minor roads, or have minor roads on them that don't exist. It makes them copyrightable.) Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/16 18:20:43 -0400 Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net = To Peter Vereshagin : DS CP UNIX, the name, is a trademark. We can use it all we like here, DS speaking DS DS Do we need a license to use it? ;-) DS DS According to what I recall of my 'business law for managers' classes: As DS long as we don't claim we own it, And does FreeBSD Foundation own its FreeBSD UNIX then? If it does, did it pay for it? Does it certify its FreeBSD as a UNIX and how much does it pay? and only *referring* to the company who DS does or it's products, no. It's an identifying mark: You can use it to DS identify. No, I can't. I use 2 things: paper ID and a face. The difference is those are not the set of the bytes. But both the trademark and a copyrighted mnaterial are. Well, use to be. Is there a way to define what set of bytes can (or not) be the identification and/or copyrighted material? I supposed the length can be such a criteria, no? DS I don't need a license to talk about Peter Vershagain, as long as I don't DS claim that *I* am Peter Vershagain. ;) But who knows if you really are. I'm not, for example. ;) If you claim that you are, and I claim that I am not, which of us is presumed to prove the own point? DS If I wanted to say that something I was selling was something you had made DS or endorsed, I'd want to pay you for a licence to use your name in that DS context. How is it possible to sell the what you do not have? And if you have it that means you hold it and it means you own it. For example, you can pass that as an inheritance and change that something according to your needs. Isn't it what the ownership is, by definition? DS Your name isn't copyrighted: Anyone can copy it. But we can't *claim* it. Or what? Is my name that bad that we can't claim it? Is your name that same bad? what's the matter about my name, anyway? DS CP about the UNIX trademark, its applicability, who owns the trademark, DS and CP so on. We just can't claim *we* own it, misapply it to things to DS which DS DS So it's just enough to reserve a copyright on this word usage and we will DS have just another reason why we can't claim we own it ;-) DS DS Sorry my confusion, it's just a new thing to me and it seems as absurd as DS those ideas. DS DS It's extremely hard to claim a copyright on a single word: You have to meet DS an orgininality requirement that a single word is going to have trouble DS meeting. I believe Unix was such a word in 19[67]0s? How about that same 'Morphtkdlfgjfjdsksjfnmvmdkedkfjgjg' from this thread? is it? How much the trouble must it be? What units it can be measured? For example, no any monkey of those performing typewriters theorem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem no any single monkey of them I believe shall not have any trouble at all with a task? DS A longer work, a story or a section of code, is much more original, so you DS can take out a copyright on it. But in scientific world, the cases are known when the whole theorems are being invented simultaneously. 'story or a section of code' is a somewhat less original. How much longer such a work must be? For example redskin Indians may had the one word or at least very few of them to mean the whole speech. There are many modern languages I believe with a very long words. German probably isn't the best instance to showcast but is a good hint. Why me again? I know I can not take out any right like this because it's never implemented in terms of reality for any single regular someone, although it's not a fiction for the big organizations but a nice tool to point and shoot. This means you have the right to say who DS can and cannot make copies. (Mostly cannot...) It's just a matter of a freedom to speech to me. And to everyone else I believe. But if you give someone DS the right to make a copy, they still can't say that *you* made that copy. Do you mean anyone cares about who exactly handmade everyday cosumerics? I mean why anyone should just care about who made the copy of the bytes from one place to another? This can be a machine, or a network of them, without any human intervention, by themselves. And they even can belong to absolutely nobody. Why not? DS (But they must say that the words are yours, unless you've given them the DS right to do otherwise.) Words themselves --- aren't they a national property? Those are my in the exact moment I use them, but it's only the right to use them, not the ownership, right? DS (And note that a pure list of facts can't be copyrighted: The phone book is DS often an example. It's just a list of names and numbers.) So if 'roses are roses are roses' were written nowadays they could not been sold and thus become famous and thus to be a culture contribution? Is it of any good to be so restricted and morally poor like that? DS A trademark is a mark: It marks a product as having come from a person or DS
Re: free sco unix
On Jun 16, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Peter Vereshagin wrote: And does FreeBSD Foundation own its FreeBSD UNIX then? If it does, did it pay for it? Does it certify its FreeBSD as a UNIX and how much does it pay? The FreeBSD Foundation is a non-profit organization which supports and represents the FreeBSD project. FreeBSD is a BSD Unix operating system; but it isn't Open Group certified UNIX(tm) primarily because people don't feel it's worth paying for such certification. [1] As for the rest of the commentary, it's drifting wildly off-topic. If you want legal advice, you need to talk to your lawyer, not to random folks on a mailing list who aren't qualified to practice law. Regards, -- -Chuck [1]: AIX, HP/UX, Mac OS X, and Solaris are the only certified UNIX(tm) 2003 platforms. None of the freely available BSDs (ie, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, and so forth) are certified UNIX. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:07:08 +0400, Peter Vereshagin pe...@vereshagin.org wrote: And does FreeBSD Foundation own its FreeBSD UNIX then? If it does, did it pay for it? Does it certify its FreeBSD as a UNIX and how much does it pay? Basically, the main page says based on, this states a fact and does not say anything about ownership or a certificate (is a certified UNIX). Is there a way to define what set of bytes can (or not) be the identification and/or copyrighted material? I supposed the length can be such a criteria, no? I think basically you own the copyright about ANYTHING you create. In how far this is to be considered a creational act at a certain level is still debatable. How is it possible to sell the what you do not have? In a licensing context, you don't sell something material. You give permission to do something, usually for a certain fee. So you could say you sell the right to do something. Selling things you don't own... big business in banking and stock trade. :-) And if you have it that means you hold it and it means you own it. Not neccessarily. Even if you have power over something, it doesn't imply that you own it (like a rental car), as just by having power over it it doesn't become one's property. For example, you can pass that as an inheritance and change that something according to your needs. Isn't it what the ownership is, by definition? Ownership focused on the creational act maybe (the changing). Wow, it gets complicated... :-) I believe Unix was such a word in 19[67]0s? How about that same 'Morphtkdlfgjfjdsksjfnmvmdkedkfjgjg' from this thread? is it? How much the trouble must it be? What units it can be measured? For example, no any monkey of those performing typewriters theorem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem no any single monkey of them I believe shall not have any trouble at all with a task? As soon as commercial interests enter the field, money talks. When you can use a name, even as simple as UNIX, has the power to make the big bucks, control over it is important. DS A longer work, a story or a section of code, is much more original, so you DS can take out a copyright on it. But in scientific world, the cases are known when the whole theorems are being invented simultaneously. In this world, the winner writes history, so inventions get attributed to the person who first made it public. 'story or a section of code' is a somewhat less original. Depends on the story and the code. Of course, implementing a bubblesort algorithm in Java isn't any original, but still the coder owns the copyright for this portion of code. It's debatable in how far this code can be distinguished from example code, e. g. if he uses the same style and identifiers as in a public example. There are many modern languages I believe with a very long words. German probably isn't the best instance to showcast but is a good hint. It is. Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitaensmuetzenhalter. And you can construct even longer ones. In Russian, there's the most famous gOCTOnPNME4ATEJIbHOCTb (dostoprimetshatyelnost). It's just a matter of a freedom to speech to me. And to everyone else I believe. Copyright and ownership of creation just makes sure that someone can't express OTHER's work as his own, as it is currently in the media in Germany - honorable academics (now politicians) got convicted having copied massive amounts (50%) in their thesis, without STATING that they copied them (proper quoting with identification of the source). I mean why anyone should just care about who made the copy of the bytes from one place to another? The media industry cares a lot. As soon as they can profit from every byte copied, still stating that those are their bytes... Words themselves --- aren't they a national property? Those are my in the exact moment I use them, but it's only the right to use them, not the ownership, right? I would say that as soon as you use words (that live in public domain) to form your thoughts (which _you_ own) into sentences, you will be attributed the creation of those sentences, so yes, I would even guess that this can be seen as an immaterial ownership. DS A trademark is a mark: It marks a product as having come from a person or DS company. Fiction. If product is unique then people use to mark it with different name(s) Not neccessarily. If products are similar, people will use one stereotypic product name to address all products of that kind, just thing about the Walkman (which is a product by Sony), which got the default name for any portable cassette player. Fioction too. Nothing allows me to control what other people do. And it's not only me to be able to allow. Rich and armored people are allowed, of course. But this is not because of the law. They can make the law to allow them do what they just use to do without it. But this is not because of the law.
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Re: free sco unix
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 07:43:59PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote: (The other common case in the USA is road maps. A simple 'lines following their geographic contours, labeled' is a set of facts. One result of this is that most road maps in the US either are missing some minor roads, or have minor roads on them that don't exist. It makes them copyrightable.) This tactic has been used by dictionary publishers as well. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpNBp89puxR8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: free sco unix
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:50:40AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:07:08 +0400, Peter Vereshagin wrote: It's just a matter of a freedom to speech to me. And to everyone else I believe. Copyright and ownership of creation just makes sure that someone can't express OTHER's work as his own, as it is currently in the media in Germany - honorable academics (now politicians) got convicted having copied massive amounts (50%) in their thesis, without STATING that they copied them (proper quoting with identification of the source). This is not really true. Plagiarism is not the focus of copyright; copying is. That's why it's called copyright (at least in English), and not attributionright. There is, in fact, no law that specifically relates to attribution per se, at least in most countries. To deal with plagiarism, one must look at the specific case of plagiarism and see where the act requires running afoul of some other law as well. Fraud would be the most obvious case, except for the fact that in most jurisdictions one can generally only effectively pursue a fraud case if there is money involved in the act of fraud. Copyright itself is, absent any associated side-effects, reducible to one of two things (depending on perspective): monopoly or censorship. It is sometimes used to punish people who plagiarize, but only because it is often difficult to plagiarize something without copying and distributing it somehow. Software publishing and licensing terms are very different, considering today's software. On one hand, there is code without mentioning of author, copyright or ownership. Then there is the rape me BSD-style licenses, the contribute back GPL licenses, and proprietary EULAs that traditionally do not take code into mind, but restrict the users in what they are allowed to do with programs. I find this a particularly biased description. Would you like to rethink the phrasing rape me as a description of copyfree licensing terms as embodied in a BSD License? Keep in mind that _those_ are not licenses as the previous ones - they are a _contract_ that you implicitely sign (by using, by opening the package, by buying the software or the like). They're not really contracts unless you explicitly agree to them. Implicit agreement is a matter of licensing, because it depends on copyright law. Contracts only depend on other laws not prohibiting them. Organizations such as Microsoft, however, certainly do work hard to get the courts to accord the same enforceability as contracts to EULAs, but that does not mean they *are* contracts. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpTtZQtTQu0S.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: free sco unix
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:03:16 -0600, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:50:40AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:07:08 +0400, Peter Vereshagin wrote: It's just a matter of a freedom to speech to me. And to everyone else I believe. Copyright and ownership of creation just makes sure that someone can't express OTHER's work as his own, as it is currently in the media in Germany - honorable academics (now politicians) got convicted having copied massive amounts (50%) in their thesis, without STATING that they copied them (proper quoting with identification of the source). This is not really true. Plagiarism is not the focus of copyright; copying is. That's why it's called copyright (at least in English), and not attributionright. There is, in fact, no law that specifically relates to attribution per se, at least in most countries. To deal with plagiarism, one must look at the specific case of plagiarism and see where the act requires running afoul of some other law as well. Fraud would be the most obvious case, except for the fact that in most jurisdictions one can generally only effectively pursue a fraud case if there is money involved in the act of fraud. Copyright itself is, absent any associated side-effects, reducible to one of two things (depending on perspective): monopoly or censorship. It is sometimes used to punish people who plagiarize, but only because it is often difficult to plagiarize something without copying and distributing it somehow. Yes - fraud is exactly the word I was searching for. Sorry if I was cmp(apples, oranges); :-) Software publishing and licensing terms are very different, considering today's software. On one hand, there is code without mentioning of author, copyright or ownership. Then there is the rape me BSD-style licenses, the contribute back GPL licenses, and proprietary EULAs that traditionally do not take code into mind, but restrict the users in what they are allowed to do with programs. I find this a particularly biased description. Would you like to rethink the phrasing rape me as a description of copyfree licensing terms as embodied in a BSD License? It's not _my_ interpretation of the license. The term originates from the repeated discussion of the BSD license being not free with the counterposition that the BSD license is even _so_ free that it allows the post-usage of the material - i. e. take it for free, change it, give it another name, sell it for money. If a developer is FINE with this kind of post-usage, he can use the BSD license. Luckily, developers can choose from many licenses, or write their own ones, so everyone will be satisfied according to his individual requirements. Keep in mind that _those_ are not licenses as the previous ones - they are a _contract_ that you implicitely sign (by using, by opening the package, by buying the software or the like). They're not really contracts unless you explicitly agree to them. Implicit agreement is a matter of licensing, because it depends on copyright law. As I said, it's _highly_ debatable if the EULAs as we know them do have _any_ value. How can you make an opinion about IF to sign a contract when you've signed it the moment you opened the box (in order to GET the contract)? Contracts only depend on other laws not prohibiting them. Correct. That's why a contract cannot make the parties signing it do unlawful things. But if no explicit laws exist... well, you can almost write _anything_ in the EULA, and if people do accept it, gotcha! Organizations such as Microsoft, however, certainly do work hard to get the courts to accord the same enforceability as contracts to EULAs, but that does not mean they *are* contracts. Finally, court decisions (at least in Germany) are _individual_ decisions. Different judge, different statement. EULAs go hand in hand with mass licensing and support contracts, traditionally targeted at governments and big business that run legal departments where the lawyers express what they are told. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
I've noticed that your mail user agent is including quoted parties' email addresses in the quote notification. In the text immediately following this brief paragraph, for instance, my email address was included after my name. I would appreciate it if you would configure your mail user agent to no longer do this, for not only my sake but that of others who would probably like to see archives that strip such information from headers before publicly posting them actually do some good. When the email address also appears in the text of the email because your mail user agent is adding it in, you are creating a crop of victims for spam email list spiders to reap. On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 05:38:42AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:03:16 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:50:40AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: Copyright and ownership of creation just makes sure that someone can't express OTHER's work as his own, as it is currently in the media in Germany - honorable academics (now politicians) got convicted having copied massive amounts (50%) in their thesis, without STATING that they copied them (proper quoting with identification of the source). This is not really true. Plagiarism is not the focus of copyright; copying is. That's why it's called copyright (at least in English), and not attributionright. There is, in fact, no law that specifically relates to attribution per se, at least in most countries. To deal with plagiarism, one must look at the specific case of plagiarism and see where the act requires running afoul of some other law as well. Fraud would be the most obvious case, except for the fact that in most jurisdictions one can generally only effectively pursue a fraud case if there is money involved in the act of fraud. Copyright itself is, absent any associated side-effects, reducible to one of two things (depending on perspective): monopoly or censorship. It is sometimes used to punish people who plagiarize, but only because it is often difficult to plagiarize something without copying and distributing it somehow. Yes - fraud is exactly the word I was searching for. Sorry if I was cmp(apples, oranges); :-) Glad we cleared that up, then. Software publishing and licensing terms are very different, considering today's software. On one hand, there is code without mentioning of author, copyright or ownership. Then there is the rape me BSD-style licenses, the contribute back GPL licenses, and proprietary EULAs that traditionally do not take code into mind, but restrict the users in what they are allowed to do with programs. I find this a particularly biased description. Would you like to rethink the phrasing rape me as a description of copyfree licensing terms as embodied in a BSD License? It's not _my_ interpretation of the license. The term originates from the repeated discussion of the BSD license being not free with the counterposition that the BSD license is even _so_ free that it allows the post-usage of the material - i. e. take it for free, change it, give it another name, sell it for money. If a developer is FINE with this kind of post-usage, he can use the BSD license. Luckily, developers can choose from many licenses, or write their own ones, so everyone will be satisfied according to his individual requirements. Unlike choices in software (a matter purely of preference), I find too many choices of licensing problematic. Just one reason among several for my perspective is that of hindering further advancement of the state of the art, as explained here: Code Reuse and Technological Advancement http://blogstrapping.com/?page=2011.060.00.28.21 They're not really contracts unless you explicitly agree to them. Implicit agreement is a matter of licensing, because it depends on copyright law. As I said, it's _highly_ debatable if the EULAs as we know them do have _any_ value. How can you make an opinion about IF to sign a contract when you've signed it the moment you opened the box (in order to GET the contract)? They have plenty of value to those who wish to have the power to force others to agree to terms to which they would never, if they were aware of them, agree. Contracts only depend on other laws not prohibiting them. Correct. That's why a contract cannot make the parties signing it do unlawful things. But if no explicit laws exist... well, you can almost write _anything_ in the EULA, and if people do accept it, gotcha! Now you're mixing up EULAs and contracts again. EULAs are licenses. They are not contracts, specifically because there is no explicit agreement prior to they (presumably) apply. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpWB1iR6Xl9J.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: free sco unix
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:35:54 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: I've noticed that your mail user agent is including quoted parties' email addresses in the quote notification. In the text immediately following this brief paragraph, for instance, my email address was included after my name. I would appreciate it if you would configure your mail user agent to no longer do this, for not only my sake but that of others who would probably like to see archives that strip such information from headers before publicly posting them actually do some good. When the email address also appears in the text of the email because your mail user agent is adding it in, you are creating a crop of victims for spam email list spiders to reap. Thanks for the advice, I've just made the setting (I'm using the Sylpheed MUA). I didn't pay much attention to that (although I'm aware of the topic) as mailing list publishing systems put in the From: datafield (directed at the list) automatically, so all the names and addresses are already in there. I will keep that setting as it sounds the right thing to do. Other possibly needed information (like addresses) are in the mail header anyway. On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 05:38:42AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:03:16 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:50:40AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: Software publishing and licensing terms are very different, considering today's software. On one hand, there is code without mentioning of author, copyright or ownership. Then there is the rape me BSD-style licenses, the contribute back GPL licenses, and proprietary EULAs that traditionally do not take code into mind, but restrict the users in what they are allowed to do with programs. I find this a particularly biased description. Would you like to rethink the phrasing rape me as a description of copyfree licensing terms as embodied in a BSD License? It's not _my_ interpretation of the license. The term originates from the repeated discussion of the BSD license being not free with the counterposition that the BSD license is even _so_ free that it allows the post-usage of the material - i. e. take it for free, change it, give it another name, sell it for money. If a developer is FINE with this kind of post-usage, he can use the BSD license. Luckily, developers can choose from many licenses, or write their own ones, so everyone will be satisfied according to his individual requirements. Unlike choices in software (a matter purely of preference), I find too many choices of licensing problematic. Just one reason among several for my perspective is that of hindering further advancement of the state of the art, as explained here: Code Reuse and Technological Advancement http://blogstrapping.com/?page=2011.060.00.28.21 Interesting article, and helpful for further argumentation. Thank you! Exactly my point of view. Bookmarked. Contracts only depend on other laws not prohibiting them. Correct. That's why a contract cannot make the parties signing it do unlawful things. But if no explicit laws exist... well, you can almost write _anything_ in the EULA, and if people do accept it, gotcha! Now you're mixing up EULAs and contracts again. EULAs are licenses. The part LA in EULA means license agreement, so I assume this indicates that I have to agree to something, and an agreement between two parties is a... contract. The vendor allows me to do certain things with the software _if_ I agree to the terms. If I do _not_, I am not legally allowed to use the software, will loose warranty or am even forced to return the whole computer system. Keep in mind that I'm not a lawyer and may therefore cultivate just one opinion about one topic (instead of two opinions). :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
2011-06-16 19:36, Daniel Staal skrev: On Thu, June 16, 2011 12:20 pm, Peter Vereshagin wrote: You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/16 11:54:05 -0400 Robert Simmonsrsimmo...@gmail.com = To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : RS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright RS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark I'll surely will when I'll have some to trade ;-) RS Copyright pertains to the source code. Trademark pertains to the use of RS signs, symbols, names, logos, etc. Source code itself can have 'signs, symbols, names, logos, etc.' and consist in terms of its usability of them, doesn't it just use to? 'signs, symbols, names, logos, etc.' same way can have their source code and consist in terms of their usability of it, doesn't they just use to? Trademark is for 'this is made by me. I put my name on it.' Copyright is for the content of a book/speech/whatever. 'Trademark' is a _maker's mark._ The point is not encouraging the creation of works (like copyright): The point is so that a maker/seller can build a reputation with their customers. They are very different in terms, uses, and requirements. In theory it is possible to hold both a trademark and a copyright on the same thing, but it is hard. (You will likely fail applicability tests for one or the other.) It is of course possible to put a trademark on something you've copyrighted, so people know who created it. Daniel T. Staal Unless you work the trademark in you have to pay to register the name. Copyright you get without registration and without payment, and one can't give it up. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.netwrote: Unless you work the trademark in you have to pay to register the name. I'm not sure by what mean by work the trademark in but every business is entitled to use tm or sm identification without registration. However by officially registering it, the business is afforded additional legal rights and is in a much more defensible position. Also as most IP lawyers would say, trademark law is the law of the jungle. That is to say the biggest gorilla wins. Copyright you get without registration and without payment, and one can't give it up. Again, registration is pretty important if you want to an expanded ability to legally enforce it. And you can assign your copyright away. In fact, I would recommend to anyone seeking a 3rd party to create content for them to have copyright assignment to them for basically any project. You don't want your web design company to come after you when there's been a falling out and you're with a different company. A company owns the copyright when an employee creates the work, however by default a contracted 3rd party retains it for any works they created under the contract. And while we're on the topic of clearing up IP laws, there are two basic types of patents and they are good for a maxium of 14 or 20 years. There is no renewal of patents, when they expire they expire. Additionally, the creator(s) of the patent is entitled to the right to patent it regardless of their employment status. This means in theory it's possible for your employer to own the copyright to some code you have created, yet you retain the patent rights. This is not official legal advice and you should consult a legal expert who assumes liability for advice, as I do not. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
2011-06-17 00:20, Daniel Staal skrev: --As of June 16, 2011 11:21:34 PM +0400, Peter Vereshagin is alleged to have said: (And note that a pure list of facts can't be copyrighted: The phone book is often an example. It's just a list of names and numbers.) Which is copyrighted, all databases are copyrighted where i live. Even the .se whois database. # The information obtained through searches, or otherwise, is protected # by the Swedish Copyright Act (1960:729) and international conventions. # It is also subject to database protection according to the Swedish # Copyright Act. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
2011-06-17 06:53, Adam Vande More skrev: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Bernt Hanssonbe...@bah.homeip.netwrote: Unless you work the trademark in you have to pay to register the name. I'm not sure by what mean by work the trademark in but every business is entitled to use tm or sm identification without registration. Not where i live, if you whant a TM or registrerat varumärke then you have to pay up. Copyright you get without registration and without payment, and one can't give it up. Again, registration is pretty important if you want to an expanded ability to legally enforce it. Where i live no need to register, you get copyright if the stuff fulfills certain criteria, originality is one. And you can assign your copyright away. Only the monetary. The creator can sell the right to make copys of the work but the creator still retains the copyright. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: free sco unix
2011-06-16 20:30, Chad Perrin skrev: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 02:22:43PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 16/06/2011 13:52, Peter Vereshagin wrote: unix is a trademark of novell.com. Unix (note capitalization) is actually a trademark of the Open Group: http://www.unix.org/ In EU there are 12 registred trademarks of unix. http://wwwm.prv.se/ Sökresultat Lydelse: unix Sortering på: Ingivningsdatum Antal träffar 12 IR-varumärken markerade med är inte giltiga i Sverige Lydelse Innehavare Ombud Ans.nr. Klasser Ingivningsdatum Figur Typ UnixApama Medical, Inc. GASTÃO DA CUNHA FERREIRA, LDA. 009039091 10 2010-04-20 UNIXSunrise Medical Limited JONES DAY 008712391 12, 16, 37 2009-11-25 UNIX BENDRA LIETUVOS-DANIJOS ÁMONË UAB DANBALT INTERNATIONAL METIDA LAW FIRM OF REDA ?ABOLIENÉ 005399332 25 Wienklasser: 270501 2006-10-19 X UNIXWielobran¿owe Przedsiêbiorstwo Ogólnokrajowe UNIX Sp. z.o.o. 005419874 33 2006-09-25 UNIXX/Open Company Limited MARKS CLERK LLP 000431569 9, 16, 35, 37, 41, 42 1996-12-23 UNIXX/Open Company Limited MARKS CLERK LLP 000227991 9, 16, 38, 42 1996-04-01 UNIXSYNGENTA PARTICIPATIONS AG Hofmann 000120931 5 1996-04-01 UNIXHANS DAHLQVIST Groth Co Kommanditbolag 1994/07260 1, 3, 40 1994-07-13 UNIXSyngenta Participations AG Groth Co Kommanditbolag 1994/03152 5 1994-03-22 UNIX X/Open Company Limited Nihlmark Zacharoff Advokatbyrå AB (Transpf. V-2051/02 T) 1993/02071 9 Wienklasser: 011524 261325 1993-03-08 X UNIX X/Open Company Limited Nihlmark Zacharoff Advokatbyrå AB (Transpf. V-2051/02 T) 1983/06916 9, 16 1983-10-24 UNIX X/Open Company Limited Nihlmark Zacharoff Advokatbyrå AB (Transpf. V-2051/02 T) 1984/02169 9, 38 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
