Weirdness with sfte, screen, and FreeBSD.
Hi,
When I run sfte (20050108) inside of GNU screen (4.00.02) in FreeBSD
(5.4-RELEASE-p2), I get some strange and irritating behaviour. If I hit
alt-f to get the File menu, then press the right arrow key to move to the
next menu over (Navigate in the directory view), then that portion of the
screen that WAS covered by the file menu but IS NOT covered by the Navigate
menu has its colors screwed up. What WAS high-intensity-white on dark blue
becomes black (or dark gray, hard to tell) on green. What WAS
high-intensity-white on black becomes black (or dark gray) on dark blue.
What WAS light gray on black becomes dark gray on black. And so on. If I
then press the right-arrow-key again to move to the Tools menu, the
problem becomes progressively worse. Dark gray becomes blue, blue becomes
light green, light green becomes cyan, etc. etc. Eventually what was
covered by any of the menus becomes a real colourful mess. In case this
description is not clear, I've uploaded a clip of a screen grab that
demonstrates the problem after pressing right-arrow a bunch of times with an
open menu:
http://members.shaw.ca/flowers.hidey.hole/ftemess.png
I have tried to understand terminals and consoles and termcap and terminfo
but I have to say, the concepts escape me. The only other slang program I
generally use is Mutt, which works like gangbusters. I don't even know
where to begin looking at this. Here are some environment variables that
(may) be of interest:
COLORFGBG='lightgray;black'
TERM=screen
TERMCAP='SC|screen|VT 100/ANSI X3.64 virtual terminal:\
:DO=\E[%dB:LE=\E[%dD:RI=\E[%dC:UP=\E[%dA:bs:bt=\E[Z:\
:cd=\E[J:ce=\E[K:cl=\E[H\E[J:cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:ct=\E[3g:\
:do=^J:nd=\E[C:pt:rc=\E8:rs=\Ec:sc=\E7:st=\EH:up=\EM:\
:le=^H:bl=^G:cr=^M:it#8:ho=\E[H:nw=\EE:ta=^I:is=\E)0:\
:li#60:co#132:am:xn:xv:LP:sr=\EM:al=\E[L:AL=\E[%dL:\
:cs=\E[%i%d;%dr:dl=\E[M:DL=\E[%dM:dc=\E[P:DC=\E[%dP:\
:im=\E[4h:ei=\E[4l:mi:IC=\E[%d@:ks=\E[?1h\E=:\
:ke=\E[?1l\E:vi=\E[?25l:ve=\E[34h\E[?25h:vs=\E[34l:\
:ti=\E[?1049h:te=\E[?1049l:us=\E[4m:ue=\E[24m:so=\E[3m:\
:se=\E[23m:md=\E[1m:mr=\E[7m:me=\E[m:ms:\
:Co#8:pa#64:AF=\E[3%dm:AB=\E[4%dm:op=\E[39;49m:AX:G0:\
:as=\E(0:ae=\E(B:\
:ac=\140\140aaffggjjkkllmmnnooppqqrrssttuuvvwwxxyyzz{{||}}~~..--++,,
hhII00:\
:k0=\E[10~:k1=\EOP:k2=\EOQ:k3=\EOR:k4=\EOS:k5=\E[15~:\
:k6=\E[17~:k7=\E[18~:k8=\E[19~:k9=\E[20~:k;=\E[21~:\
:F1=\E[23~:F2=\E[24~:kb=^H:kh=\E[1~:@1=\E[1~:kH=\E[4~:\
:@7=\E[4~:kN=\E[6~:kP=\E[5~:kI=\E[2~:kD=\E[3~:ku=\EOA:\
:kd=\EOB:kr=\EOC:kl=\EOD:km:'
I don't know what other information to include. I get the problem both
using Putty to SSH in and at the console. Outside of GNU screen sfte works
like a charm. Note that in order to get sfte to build on FreeBSD, I had to
link it to both libslang and libncurses (and perform other minor surgery on
the port, viz. comment out USE_XLIBS and change fte-unix.mak to build sfte
instead of xfte since I neither have nor want X installed).
Pardon the cross-post but I really don't know which piece of software might
be at fault. Any information or pointers would be greatly appreciated.
--
Danny MacMillan
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RE: Partition?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] How come i can't enter the #Freebsd channel ... im using the freenode server? i have some queries. I have no idea. I'm forwarding this to the list, maybe someone there can help you. -- Danny ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Sapir-Whorfian Advertising Clause (was Advertising clausein license)
From: Ted Mittelstaedt From: Danny MacMillan Be that as it may, the term advertising clause seems strictly definitive, as it pertains to a clause that refers to advertising. That much at least seems obvious from what Nell fgrep'd for. I don't disagree with the substance of your point, but it is counter- productive to redefine language to suit one's political agenda. No it is not. People find it productive to redefine language to suit their political agenda all the time. The original term out of the license was not advertising clause. The original term, right out of the license, was acknowledgement I can only refer you to the license itself, which contains both advertising and acknowledgement: 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software must display the following acknowledgement: This product includes software developed by the University of California, Berkeley and its contributors. The GPL crowd found themselves sounding like a bunch of ungrateful spoiled brats when they originally tried telling people the BSD license was bad because it had a clause that required you to acknowledge the copyright holders So, they did a bit of creative doublespeak and came up with the slur advertising clause Since advertising is associated with commercial activities, this carried an instant negative connotation in the free software community. The GPL bigots didn't even have to explain what an advertising clause was, the mere presense of the word advertising was enough to set people against the acknowledgement clause. Notice how just changing the term back to the real term acknowledgement clause removes the negative connotation and lets the truth of what it really is show through? You are very naieve if you think that words and phrases don't carry negative connotations, or by chance are you in the habit of using terms like nigger, Danny boy? The very name FreeBSD was defined to suit a political agenda. While you may not like living in a world that uses language as a weapon, that's the kind of world most people live in, and you better get used to operating in it. Ted You're bringing a lot of baggage to this discussion. As long as people focus on what the words are instead of what they mean they will always be easy prey to the next group of bigots that walk through the door. That was my sole point. Let's consider language as a weapon for a moment. You paint your- self as a knee-jerk reactionary by using emotionally charged pejoratives like GPL bigots and Linux bigots. You further marginalize yourself through the use of dismissive diminutives like Danny boy. These are tactics that may be effective if your goal is to ridicule someone, but not if you want to communicate. By employing them, you make it easy for outside observers to pigeonhole you into a mental category and discount your arguments and your point of view, regardless of their essential merit. That portrays neither you nor FreeBSD in a positive light. To the other list readers, I apologize for the increasingly irrelevant diversion. This is the last word you will hear from me on the subject. -- Danny ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Max # of Files in a Directory?
stheg olloydson said: it was said: ... I started seeing all kinds of errors when trying to copy more than 16383 messages into one of my folders there. I'm retrieving mail from a pop3 server using Outlook then copying them into my imap folder, also using Outlook. Hello, 16383 was a limit in OL before version 8.03 (2000). Go to the MS knowledge base and search on Outlook using 16383 as the keyword. You will find a number of articles related to this issue. Thank you to everyone who answered. It definitely is an Outlook issue as I now have 16402 messages in the folder and I can read them using mutt. -- Danny ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: error during make buildkernel in 5.2.1
From: Mike This is my first foray into 5.2.1. I installed and ran cvsup (standard and for ports). I went to build the kernel and and make buildkernel died. Here is the error message. Any comments or hints would be helpful. # make buildkernel KERNEL=TRITON ... I believe that should be: make buildkernel KERNCONF=TRITON -- Danny MacMillan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sound Blaster Live
From: Javier Ramirez there is no another way??? no exist module for this card?? I have a SoundBlaster Live! card in one of my FreeBSD (5.2.1) machines. I have the following in /boot/loader.conf: snd_emu10k1_load=YES And that's it. It automatically loads the (required) snd_pcm.ko module as well as the snd_emu10k1.ko module. The above works with a GENERIC kernel (you don't have to recompile the kernel). If you don't want to reboot, you should be able to type the following as root: kldload snd_emu10k1 Magic! Although I'm not sure if you have to restart X to make it realize that the sound device has been created and start using it. I've never actually tested loading it at run time because adding that line to /boot/loader.conf is one of the first things I do when installing my system. I'd be surprised if it didn't work, though. -- Danny MacMillan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Moving HDD with FreeBSD installed between machines with different hardware.
Hello, I have a machine with FreeBSD installed on it that is serving DNS, CVS, NTP and a few other things for our organization. I plan to add a mail gateway using Postfix, ClamAV, amavisd-new and SpamAssassin as well to protect the tender underbelly of our MS Exchange server. However the machine is running 5.1-RELEASE. It shouldn't be. :) I would like to rebuild the machine completely to exercise the knowledge I have gained re: FreeBSD but I can't afford for it to be down for the length of time it would take and I don't have a standby machine available. So what I'm thinking is that I could take a spare hard drive home and pop it in one of my own machines, install FreeBSD on that, and then bring it back to work and swap the hard drive out with the one in the production machine. What kind of problems am I letting myself in for if I go ahead with this? The hardware in the two machines in question is quite dissimilar. For example, one's an Athlon 266 with 64MB of RAM, one's a Pentium[-something] 300 with 400 MB. Here are the things that occurred to me: One of them has an 'rl0' NIC, the other 'dc0'. So I'd have to change the ifconfig_ line in /etc/rc.conf. But would this also imply changes elsewhere that would have to be made? Actually, that's all I've thought of so far. Are there any gotchas I should be considering? -- Danny MacMillan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FreeBSD install on SCSI: Missing Operating System
From: Jeremy Kister the whole installation process goes smooth, but upon reboot, I simply get 'Missing Operating System'. I usually see this sort of thing when I forget to remove a non-bootable floppy from the drive. -- Danny MacMillan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FreeBSD 5.2.1 - Joke-only release ? April Fools ??
From: Joe Schmoe I have attempted to install 5.2.1-RELEASE on four (very) different computers today: Every single time, I boot off kern.flp, move on to mfsroot.flp, and as sysinstall is booting, after most of the dmesg has passed by, it suddenly starts spitting out error messages at an extremely fast rate. ... Sounds to me like your install media is bad. Ensure the md5 checksums of the .flp files you downloaded match those in the CHECKSUM.MD5 file in the FTP folder you downloaded them from. If they match, try imaging the .flp files onto different floppies. -- Danny ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Pruning the Ports Tree
From: Sergey Zaharchenko at June 16, 2004 06:18 On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 11:38:38AM +0100, Matthew Seaman probably wrote: On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 03:41:53PM -0700, Graham North wrote: Heh. There's nothing to worry about -- I don't own or use any Windows boxes, so there's no chance of picking up a worm from my e-mails. However, this won't save you from picking up a worm which has forged its mail's `From' address to be [EMAIL PROTECTED], or any other address... so unless you change your OS and/or mailer to something more secure, it's still a good idea to stay alert. On the other hand, the fact that Matthew signs all his email means we always know who to blame. :) -- Danny ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Some Simple Questions
From: Spuds 2) Is FreeBSD in any way affected by the SCO lawsuits ... What you're asking for is legal advice. No one here will indemnify you if in a perverse travesty of justice SCO does succeed in its goals. You will have to assume the risk yourself. Risk = probability * severity. Probability is something most people have an opinion of. On this list, you are not likely to find many people who think that any ruling regarding FreeBSD (or Linux, for that matter) will favour SCO. Severity is something you can only judge yourself. It would be wrong if SCO were able to successfully make a claim against FreeBSD, but that doesn't make it impossible. -- Danny ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Bash Startup Files
On Behalf Of Arend P. van der Veen: ... I have a case where both ~/.profile and ~/.bash_profile exist and both are sourced. ... If this really is happening, it's likely one of your other startup files is explicitly sourcing ~/.profile. -- Danny ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: web serving
Goodleaf, John wrote: Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] So I have a FreeBSD server at home serving some web pages, mostly web mail (Apache). It's running on a DSL line behind a gateway that forwards port 80 requests to it. Now here's the problem. I need to serve also from an IIS .NET server (it's for my girlfriend; don't bug me). So my question: How do I serve some things from the IIS server and some from the BSD server? Do I set up some kind of proxying? I'm sure there are three hundred solutions, but this is not something I've ever had to learn about. I'm willing to RTFM; I just want to be pointed in the right direction. Thanks, John If you need it on the same IP address and port, you can set up a reverse proxy using mod_proxy. I've only ever used it with Apache 2 but I think it works the same on 1.3, if that's what you're using. You basically specify that requests for a particular path will be served by another server. This can be combined with virtual hosts if you want. See the ProxyPass and ProxyPassReverse directives. http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/mod_proxy.html -- Danny ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: sendmail only accepting local connections
-Original Message- From: Andy Clements I'm having problems getting sendmail to accept anything but local connections. This may be a foolish question, but you don't have sendmail_enable=NO or some such in your /etc/rc.conf, do you? -Danny ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How do I enable sendmail ONLY for local system mail?
-Original Message- From: Jonathon McKitrick I read /etc/mail/README and also a few posts while I was setting up my firewall. but I'm not getting any system mail like expected. What should the permissions be on my mqueue and clientmqueue dirs in /var? Here are the rc.conf mail options: sendmail_enable=yes ... Hi, I don't know about your routing issue ... but if you're using the 5.2.1 release, you can put the following in your rc.conf and have it still work (if, as the subject line says, you really are only using it for local system mail): sendmail_enable=no It's not intuitive to me either, but it does work (at least it did for me). From the rc.sendmail man page: sendmail_enable (str) If set to ``YES'', run the sendmail(8) daemon at system boot time. If set to ``NO'', do not run a sendmail(8) daemon to listen for incoming network mail.This does not preclude a sendmail(8) daemon listening on the SMTP port of the loopback interface. The ``NONE'' option is deprecated and should not be used. It will be removed in a future release. -Danny ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
make world : did it fail?
Hi. I just ran the make world procedure on a freshly installed FreeBSD system. After dropping to single user mode, I ran: cd /usr/src script /root/mw/mw-200405111310.out make buildworld make buildkernel KERNCONF=GOLLUM make installkernel KERNCONF=GOLLUM reboot I do things this way because I don't want to babysit the machine waiting to proceed to the next step. When I heard the computer reboot (it's sitting right next to me), I logged in and ran: tail /root/mw.out To see if anything untoward had happened. The result looks like this: tail /root/mw/mw-200405111310.out install -o root -g wheel -m 555 safe.ko /boot/kernel === sbni install -o root -g wheel -m 555 if_sbni.ko /boot/kernel === scsi_low install -o root -g wheel -m 555 scsi_low.ko /boot/kernel === smbfs install -o root -g wheel -m 555 smbfs.ko /boot/kernel === sound === sound/pcm install -o root -g wheel -m 555 snd_ Doesn't look so good, does it? Now I'm not sure if it rebooted because of the ' reboot' or because it ran into some terrible no good awful bad problem. I checked the timestamps on all the files in /boot/kernel and they all look good (all .ko files dated today within 1 minute of each other, the kernel a few minutes older). The number of files in /boot/kernel matches the number in /boot/kernel.old. I ran (from my home directory): ls /boot/kernel kernel ls /boot/kernel.old kernel.old diff kernel kernel.old And there are no differences. uname -a now reports 5.2.1-RELEASE-p6. I'm thinking that probably what happened is that the machine rebooted without the remaining script output being flushed to disk. Is there any way to tell for sure? And should this even be possible? I've followed this technique on my home machines several times and never got the script output truncated like this. I'm now cursing myself for putting the reboot on there. I can re-run the make world procedure, but unless I figure out for sure what happened here I'm afraid it's indicative of a more significant problem. Thanks in advance. -- Danny MacMillan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: make world : did it fail?
Hi. I'd still like to hear from anyone with insight into this (whether an actual problem occurred or not), but here's what I've decided to do: I know from the script output that the buildworld and buildkernel succeeded. The only step that is suspect is the installkernel. So: In case something did screw up, I want to make sure I still have the known good kernel available: rm -rf /boot/kernel mv /boot/kernel.old /boot/kernel Then I booted into single-user mode and ran: uname -a It reported the unpatched kernel (good). So: cd /usr/src script /root/mw/mw-200405111844.out make installkernel KERNCONF=GOLLUM This time I sat around and waited for it to finish. Finally, it did, with no errors or other suspect output. Satisfied, I rebooted. No problems, so back into single-user-mode to installworld: cd /usr/src script /root/mw/mw-200405111852.out make installworld echo sleeping now sleep 600 reboot I would have waited around for this to complete but I wanted to go home. I reasoned that 10 minutes should surely be enough for script to flush output to disk (man 1 script says it flushes, by default, every 30 seconds). By rebooting I would then be able to continue setting up the server through an SSH session from home (I established and tested SSH settings on the company firewall before beginning the make world). Sure enough, I just logged in and: tail mw-200405111852.out === etc/sendmail -- Rebuilding man page indices -- cd /usr/src/share/man; make makedb makewhatis /usr/share/man makewhatis /usr/share/openssl/man rm -rf /tmp/install.8m808LpI sleeping now So it looks like everything's good. Is there any flaw in my reasoning? In particular, even though it appeared to work, is it a bad idea to delete the active kernel? I've done it before and I haven't had any problems, but I always feel like I'm playing Russian Roulette when I do it. -Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dan MacMillan Sent: May 11, 2004 18:11 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: make world : did it fail? Hi. I just ran the make world procedure on a freshly installed FreeBSD system. After dropping to single user mode, I ran: cd /usr/src script /root/mw/mw-200405111310.out make buildworld make buildkernel KERNCONF=GOLLUM make installkernel KERNCONF=GOLLUM reboot I do things this way because I don't want to babysit the machine waiting to proceed to the next step. When I heard the computer reboot (it's sitting right next to me), I logged in and ran: tail /root/mw.out To see if anything untoward had happened. The result looks like this: tail /root/mw/mw-200405111310.out install -o root -g wheel -m 555 safe.ko /boot/kernel === sbni install -o root -g wheel -m 555 if_sbni.ko /boot/kernel === scsi_low install -o root -g wheel -m 555 scsi_low.ko /boot/kernel === smbfs install -o root -g wheel -m 555 smbfs.ko /boot/kernel === sound === sound/pcm install -o root -g wheel -m 555 snd_ Doesn't look so good, does it? Now I'm not sure if it rebooted because of the ' reboot' or because it ran into some terrible no good awful bad problem. I checked the timestamps on all the files in /boot/kernel and they all look good (all .ko files dated today within 1 minute of each other, the kernel a few minutes older). The number of files in /boot/kernel matches the number in /boot/kernel.old. I ran (from my home directory): ls /boot/kernel kernel ls /boot/kernel.old kernel.old diff kernel kernel.old And there are no differences. uname -a now reports 5.2.1-RELEASE-p6. I'm thinking that probably what happened is that the machine rebooted without the remaining script output being flushed to disk. Is there any way to tell for sure? And should this even be possible? I've followed this technique on my home machines several times and never got the script output truncated like this. I'm now cursing myself for putting the reboot on there. I can re-run the make world procedure, but unless I figure out for sure what happened here I'm afraid it's indicative of a more significant problem. Thanks in advance. -- Danny MacMillan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD
From: Daniela Sent: April 20, 2004 15:25 I don't really have a specific example, but it's quite the same with human languages. The more often a text is translated, the more useless information gets added to it. And if the original text is beautifully written, it is often total crap when you translate it back. These are not analagous. The reason things get lost in the translation of human language is that it is not possible to represent every expression in one human language with complete precision in another. However, it =is= possible to represent object orientation with complete precision in a procedural language. To support object orientation, C++ adds to C an intrinsic this pointer and vtables. These concepts can be expressed explicitly in C without loss of fidelity. -Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Beginning C++ in FreeBSD
From: Daniela Sent: April 17, 2004 04:50 OO languages can be optimized differently than non-OO languages, and when you translate one language into another, this advantage gets lost. I challenge you to defend this claim with a specific example. I would rather say, assembly is fast and can be portable, if it's done properly. How does one properly do an assembly language program for the x86 instruction set (for example) so that it will run on a StrongARM? -Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: remote install of freebsd via ssh
From: Brian Sent: April 8, 2004 05:21 Hello, Is there a way (or what is the best way) for installing freebsd remotely? I have a nontechnical person at the site that can put in a cd or enter a few commands, but the thought of walking through a full install via the phone is not fun. I would prefer to be able to use ssh for configuring. Any suggestions would be a great help. If the system is already running Linux, you can try the depenguinator. http://www.daemonology.net/depenguinator/ I haven't used this and make no warranty or claim yadda yadda. However, anything you're going to be able to do remotely is likely going to be more difficult than guiding your Johnny on the spot through the install. The core install is pretty simple. -Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Hi I have a suggestion! To Imporve the perfect Freebsd!
From: Jorn Argelo Sent: March 28, 2004 13:43 ... By the way, I don't think that nerdly is an appropiate way to adress the folks. They do great work. Perhaps I always saw it wrong, but I find nerd a negative way to describe a person who has interests in computers. ... Agreed. The correct term is geeky. -Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Need assitance installin FreeBSD
-Original Message- From: Jerry McAllister On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:42:04 -0500 (EST) Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually, I think the intention of the MINI-ISO is to boot and run the installation with everything loaded from one of the ftp sites. I believe you're thinking of the bootonly.iso (21MB) which is just the boot/sysinstall stuff. I don't remember seeing any bootonly.iso in what is offered under any of the regular directory trees on the main ftp.freebsd.org site. Maybe the mini.iso contains more than just /stand/sysinstall, but it still needs ftp access to do a complete install - or another CD. ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/5.2.1/5.2.1-RELEASE-i386-b ootonly.iso ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/5.2.1/5.2.1-RELEASE-i386-m iniinst.iso -Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FreeBSD - Linux / Unix ?
From: Jerry McAllister Sent: March 25, 2004 07:17 Much of what the responder said here is right, but I think there might be just one little point to pick. ... lots excised ... B. Unix Depends on what you mean by Unix. There is code in it that derives from the original ATT UNIX. It is this. Although the idea of Unix may have started in Bell Labs, I thought the big lawsuits 10+ years ago and lots of work by early developers settled that no code in the current BSD line can be said to derive from Bell Labs code. Actually, that is not true. The only point the lawsuits settled definitively is that BSD did not infringe on USL's copyrights. In fact it was basically stipulated that some parts of NET/2 / BSDi =were= derived (even copied) from the USL code, but that it didn't matter because the copyrights being claimed had been abandoned or were invalid for one reason or another. -Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Virtual terminal buffer?
From: Lowell Gilbert Sent: March 24, 2004 12:39 Dan MacMillan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Chris Pressey Sent: March 22, 2004 17:52 On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:57:26 -0600 (CST) Eric F Crist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to clear the buffer after you've logged out of a virtual terminal? Well, you could call 'echo' a hundred times in your .logout script :) I have found that a single call to 'clear' works almost as well. Almost but not quite; on the console, there's a history buffer with scrollback. Yeah, I realized afterwards I hadn't quite understood what Eric was looking for. This is very educational. :) -Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Virtual terminal buffer?
-Original Message- From: Chris Pressey Sent: March 22, 2004 17:52 On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:57:26 -0600 (CST) Eric F Crist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to clear the buffer after you've logged out of a virtual terminal? Well, you could call 'echo' a hundred times in your .logout script :) I have found that a single call to 'clear' works almost as well. -Danny MacMillan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: restricted shells
Rick wrote: Hello, are there any restricted shells version in the ports collection? if there aren't where I Can find a restricted shell tar.gz to be compiled and isntalled? thanks I'm sure there are many shells that run in restricted mode. For example, I use zsh, which behaves as a restricted shell if invoked with a -r option on the command line or via a name beginning with 'r'. That is to say, if you create a symbolic link to 'zsh' named 'rzsh', then execute rzsh, the shell is restricted. -Danny ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: time sync tool?
Zhang Weiwu Sent: March 20, 2004 20:28 Hello. Is there a time sync tool for FreeBSD? My local clock seems alway several minutes late, can I run a daemon and sync with a time server once several day? Yes, there is. Take a look at man ntpd(8). -Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: The clock is running too fast
Hola I'm sorry, I don't know what 'ntc' is. Do you mean 'ntp'? You can use ntp or not ... if your timing hardware is off, ntp will constantly try to slew the time back to where it should be, which will a) mean your systems concept of time is very non-linear and b) fill the log with warning messages. It's actually a good check to see if the timer's good (although an slmost equally good check is to sit there and look at the clock). I forgot to mention that besides changing /etc/sysctl.conf, you have to reboot. If you don't want to reboot, you will have to do sysctl kern.timecounter.hardware=i8254 at a prompt. But I'm not sure if that's a value that can be set after the system boots. I suggested i8254 because it's the only device that was supplying good time values on my system. If you have trouble with that device, you might also want to try TSC. -Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Liu Sent: March 19, 2004 01:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The clock is running too fast Hi Dan, Thanks for your advice. I had a similar problem on one of the machines at work. Here is a memo I made to myself to remind me of how to fix the problem in the future: The ACPI-safe Timecounter does not work (it is way, WAY too fast). To get around this, add the following line to /etc/sysctl.conf: kern.timecounter.hardware=i8254 Added above line to /etc/sysctl.conf $ cat /etc/sysctl.conf vfs.usermount=1 kern.timecounter.hardware=i8254 Now only 2 lines in this file. I have adjusted the clock thereafter and will check it again later There are multiple pieces of hardware capable of supplying timing information to the OS. dmesg | grep Timecounter should give you a list of all such devices. I think this is an ACPI-related problem, since that is the technology I understand the least at the moment. $ dmesg | grep Timecounter Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Timecounter ACPI-safe frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 Timecounter TSC frequency 350797051 Hz quality 800 Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec Shall I run 'ntc' to synchronize the clock. B.R. Stephen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Liu Sent: March 18, 2004 21:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The clock is running too fast Hi folks, AMD CUP FreeBSD 5.2 The clock on KDE desktop is running on double speed compelling me to adjust it periodically. Kindly advise how to fix this problem. TIA B.R. Stephen Liu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail readers
It's not just terminal mail readers that had the problem ... I'm using MS Outlook 2000 and your problem messages also appeared screwy to me. I don't have any suggestions to contribute, just this observation. -Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bart Silverstrim Sent: March 19, 2004 04:54 To: FreeBSD-questions Mailing List Subject: Re: Mail readers On Mar 19, 2004, at 2:49 AM, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No. Nothing. Format=flowed applies solely to plain-text messages. HTML messages already have something functionally equivalent to f=f: the BLOCKQUOTE attribute, which... um... quotes blocks of text. When f=f mailers that also can handle HTML encounter BLOCKQUOTE text, its usually marked up with the same excerpt bars were familiar with from f=f. Format=flowed isnt actually at work there, but since BLOCKQUOTE text flows nicely when you resize a window, the effect is the same. I've never heard of this f=f stuff and don't have time just now to investigate, but I'll keep typing anyway. I think the problem is the same but worse. f=f is probably spec'd in a new draft RFC and many mail readers don't support it, so your correspondents on a list list this can't handle it well. According to the FAQ, it (f=f) was developed (IIRC) by Qualcomm to not solve any problem in particular. However, this form of formatting would allow text to be easily formatted into columns readable by any kind of simple display...i.e., PDAs and cellphones with text messaging and email, etc. and at the same time it would easily scale to larger (PC) displays with pretty formatting and proper wrapping. Older readers would just ignore the formatting characters and mangle it accordingly. Oddly enough (if my current theory holds) where the invisible f=f formatting is inserted in an Apple app is dependent on the width of the composition window...which on my iBook really sucks because this window looks so NARROW compared to what I'm used to, hoping that other people's mail readers work a little better with reading my posts to the list. I haven't heard other people complaining as much about my mail wrapping at the 120 mark, so I'm hoping that maybe this will make it easier for others... It shouldn't be that hard for terminal mailers to adopt f=f, if I'm understanding it properly...just be a matter of time. -Bart ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How to get an overview of the installed ports
pkg_tree is also available in the ports collection at /usr/ports/sysutils/pkg_tree -Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Arek Czereszewski Sent: March 19, 2004 02:47 To: Ronald Hoellwarth Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to get an overview of the installed ports Ronald Hoellwarth wrote: Hello, I've installed some apps and deinstalled them again because I didn't like them. While installing them other software was installed too but I think it wasn't removed when I removed the unwanted programms. Is there a possibility to get an overview which ports are installed and how they are linked? something like this: appA needs appB appC needed by appD appE appF appB needs -none- needed by appA ... Then I could go through the list and see which programms I have to remove in order to get a cleaner system. greetings from crailsheim, germany ronald hllwarth Try this app pkg_tree from page http://www.mavetju.org/unix/general.php Maybe help. -- Arkadiusz Czereszewski | gg: 1349941 arek(at)wup-katowice.pl | jid: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *NIX is like wigwam - no windows, no gates and apache inside. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Impact of running pkgdb -fu
Hi, I have a question about the effect of running pkgdb -fu, besides making me laugh because of its whimsically profane command-line options. Suppose I have been running pkgdb -F as suggested by portupgrade, and I accidentally delete a stale dependency that should have been handled in another way. Will rebuilding the package database with pkgdb -fu restore this dependency to its pristine, correct state? On a related note ... I recently ran portupgrade -rRa, as is my wont, and it suggested I run pkgdb -F. So I did. It reported as stale dependencies packages that were never installed on my system. Is this normal? I haven't seen it before. For example it reported as a stale dependency of one of the kde* packages the x11/nvidia driver. Although I have that driver installed, I downloaded and installed it by hand from the nVidia web site (I didn't know it was available as a port). Hence my question. I accidentally said, remove this dependency to pkgdb -F. After realizing that the dependencies pkgdb -F was reporting as stale were actually not installed, I built each of those ports which made pkgdb -F stop complaining about them. I also subsequently built the x11/nvidia port, but it's the removal of that first dependency that's keeping me up at night. Hence my question regarding pkgdb -fu. Does it restore everything to its neat-and-tidy state? Or am I cursed to live out my days with a besmirched (or befouled, your choice) package database? -Dan MacMillan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Impact of running pkgdb -fu
Kris Kennaway Sent: March 19, 2004 18:06 On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 05:56:08PM -0700, Dan MacMillan wrote: Kris Kennaway Sent: March 19, 2004 17:46 On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 05:34:38PM -0700, Dan MacMillan wrote: I have a question about the effect of running pkgdb -fu, besides making me laugh because of its whimsically profane command-line options. Suppose I have been running pkgdb -F as suggested by portupgrade, and I accidentally delete a stale dependency that should have been handled in another way. Will rebuilding the package database with pkgdb -fu restore this dependency to its pristine, correct state? No, the dependency was removed from the installed package. You need to explicitly restore it, e.g. by reinstalling it. Thanks for your reply ... but now I'm a little confused. The dependencies are stored in the packages themselves? Would that be in the tarball in the /usr/ports/distfiles directory? Where can I go to learn more about this, specifically the anatomy of a binary package and the structure of the package database? Packages register themselves in /var/db/pkg when installed. Read the pkg_create and related manpages for more details. Excellent. Thank you for your kind attention. -Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: The clock is running too fast
Hola, I had a similar problem on one of the machines at work. Here is a memo I made to myself to remind me of how to fix the problem in the future: The ACPI-safe Timecounter does not work (it is way, WAY too fast). To get around this, add the following line to /etc/sysctl.conf: kern.timecounter.hardware=i8254 There are multiple pieces of hardware capable of supplying timing information to the OS. dmesg | grep Timecounter should give you a list of all such devices. I think this is an ACPI-related problem, since that is the technology I understand the least at the moment. :) -Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Liu Sent: March 18, 2004 21:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The clock is running too fast Hi folks, AMD CUP FreeBSD 5.2 The clock on KDE desktop is running on double speed compelling me to adjust it periodically. Kindly advise how to fix this problem. TIA B.R. Stephen Liu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sound
Put the following line in /boot/loader.conf: snd_emu10k1_load=YES You shouldn't need to compile pcm into your kernel -- there's a kld for it. It won't hurt though. - Danny MacMillan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Teilhard Knight Sent: March 14, 2004 11:39 To: FreeBSD Subject: Sound I just checked my post with header: no sound, and I didn't mean to send that. Lately Outlook express is not playing fair with me. Here is what I wanted to send: Now, I did my homework. I did exactly what the Handbook says, but I cannot make my Creative Platinum Live SoundBlater card to produce sounds. I compiled my kernel with the pcm driver, just that. And then I added what the handbook says for non PnP ISA cards. Could you help? Teilhard 30MB 250MB Web based, POP3 IMAP4 e-mail. Sign up now: http://www.ghostmailbox.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
