Re: using dd to dump an image file to a floppy
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:24:14 -0400 John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone, I'm trying to make boot and kern floppies, using dd, as follows: Cdrom is mounted, floppy is mounted (and I have test written to it) I have the 6.2 disk 1 in the cdrom drive (the floppies directory contains the disk images I'd like to write) I'm in the /cdrom directory When I try to disk image the boot.flp file, here's what happens: # dd if=floppies/boot.flp of=/dev/fd0 dd: /dev/fd0: Operation not permitted I keep getting the operation not permitted message. As I said before, I CAN write to the fd0 (floppy drive), and I am logged in as root. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Maybe you just unmount your floppy before doing dd if=floppies/boot.flp of=/dev/fd0. It's blocked. Thanks, John So here's to the role of time, patience, and reflection in our lives. If we believe it is better to build than to destroy, better to live and let live, better to be than to be seen, then we might have a chance, slowly, to find a satisfying way through life, this flicker of consciousness between two great silences. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:06:15 -0400 Jules Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boy, do I want answers too! We have HD's that run 24X7. And I don't want to turn them off, I just want them to sleep quietly until needed. We have lot's of RAM, thus plenty of cache space. Our machines are all blades. (Does this matter? I don't know.) IBMs and Super-Micros. We spend zillions of bucks on electricity; We use these machines 24X7 now, but soon will only need them about 12 hours a day. Is 24X7 operation the optimal strategy? What's the best course here, wrt electric costs, and wrt disk failures? That's the point! Electric costs vs failures. If financial side is the interest, - obvioulsy statistics and calculator. My original question sounded like what's the safest way. Let's see: An HD in full operation get definitely hot and hence (evidently) consuming power. And then it turns to sleeping mode and becomes cooler... cooler... Then (maybe) this process repeats all the time. Despite even cold turning on stresses these permanent temperature differences can't be good. Conclusion might be like this: If one has certain amount of trusted drives and they are expected to sleep reasonable time only a few times a day then one should save energy, thinking of tuning wakeups and regular backup. The same with stations that rarely use HDs and/or do their stuff (if any) using only RAM. If a machine is under constant load, or expected to wake up once per several hours it's better to leave it all in peace :). It seems somewhat hard to estimate sleeping periods accurately in this case. And even huge cache can be a reason for unexpected need in accessing a bit of disk data. As Gary Kline said, slowing down drives could be a good idea in some circumstances. There are so many user desktops running only a text processor and... heating the air! What for? And there is more to it, these desktops are everywhere and all of them together burn too much more energy resources than server and development installations, like ones, I hope, we are talking about. And I think that stability of latter ones is a concern (to serve the rest of production teapots). Finally, if one is using (it's highly encouraged!) FreeBSD at home to do all sort of things, let's experiment with power savings too! Because the feature must retain in OS and improve with overall experience and support. - Yuri --jg On Apr 8, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Yuri Grebenkin wrote: Just wonder if it's better for an HDD not to spindown at all. Maybe it's safer to spin in peace than to park/launch? What do you think? Hello again all, I was wondering if there was an automatic, and possibly timed means to spin down disks available in either ports or the base system, by chance. Just trying to cut down on energy use, and increase my disks' lives :). TIA, -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: get me off this list
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:59:49 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Ted Ims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm incorrectly receiving the list as well and can't unsubscribe. Welcome, Ted! To our little carnival. Wow! It's getting windy. Better to form some kind of strategy. For example to found a club for newcomers. Or just [EMAIL PROTECTED] And send everybody there to talk ;-) - Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proper list server? (was Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?)
L Goodwin, Wrap your lines; To reply to both list and sender use Reply to all; To send a private message delete [EMAIL PROTECTED]; To and so on. Control everything yourself! But I think that the best is to use some normal mailer program that support simple list handling. It's not like some kind of forum and it's all about transparent architecture and freedom. - Yuri On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:14:54 -0700 (PDT) L Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Jonathan, since you asked, here are the things I've found cumbersome about freebsd-questions, some/all of which may be due to my own ignorance: 1) I get all email posted to freebsd-questions in my inbox (actually, some end up in bulk mail folder). That's a lot of mail to wade through. I'm trying to get a system up and running so I can move on to the next task. I suppose I could set up some email filtering rules to limit what comes in. 2) To reply to an email, I have to copy/paste freebsd-questions@freebsd.org into the To field. If I forget to do this, my reply gets send to the sender only. See? I almost forgot to do it for this reply. :-} One feature I like about (some) list servers is the ability to send a private message to another member. This comes in handy when one person is helping troubleshoot a problem, and you don't need everybody on the list to get involved. Jonathan McKeown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 11 April 2007 05:12, L Goodwin wrote: For starters, how about getting this mail group on a proper list server? I'll gladly help if there is anything I can do other than get in the way... I normally try not to be rude, but... what on Earth are you talking about? What is it about a Mailman installation on a host within the freebsd.org domain that renders it less than proper? Jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: get me off this list
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:32:45 -0400 Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are both of you getting the emails via mailanyone.net as well? Seems to me that someone compromised mailanyone.net -- anyone know for sure? In response to Jaymz Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Add me to the list of folks who did not subscribe and can not unsubscribe??? On 4/11/07, Ted Ims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm incorrectly receiving the list as well and can't unsubscribe. Well, for whom it's an interest, there is another fire front on [EMAIL PROTECTED] There you can find new facts and other stuff like email headers etc. - Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Automatic means for spinning down disks available?
Just wonder if it's better for an HDD not to spindown at all. Maybe it's safer to spin in peace than to park/launch? What do you think? Hello again all, I was wondering if there was an automatic, and possibly timed means to spin down disks available in either ports or the base system, by chance. Just trying to cut down on energy use, and increase my disks' lives :). TIA, -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: diskonkey
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:58:22 +0200 Dima Sorkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. By what device name should I mount the flash memory disk (disk-on-key). On linux it was /dev/sdb0, what is it's name on FreeBSD ? Thanks, Dima. Try this (just a hint): % mount_msdosfs /dev/da0s1 /path/where ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can I use an HP printer
I have an Epson Stylus C43SX and have made it print PostScript through the following filter using GIMP Print and Ghostscript: # /usr/local/libexec/ps2eps.sh gs -DSAFER -sDEVICE=ijs -sIjsServer=ijsgimpprint \ -sDeviceManufacturer=EPSON -sDeviceModel=escp2-c42sx \ -DIjsUseOutputFD -q -sOutputFile=- -DNOPAUSE -DBATCH - \ exit 0 Also, to turn on extended mode for my local lpt0 I use this: lptcontrol -e /dev/lpt0 Yuri On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 23:31:31 -0800 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I myself have an Epson C84 inkjet in my home that has the same issues. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nVidia Riva TNT2 M64 problem on FreeBSD4.9
Hi. I've bought a ATI Radion 9000 64Mb and now I'm happy! It runs movies of any kind with postprocessing. I've already tested it by running Quake2 and Quake3arena with Wine under FreeBSD 4.9. They both are looking more alive than under Windows with nVidia TNT2! Even more if you believe top, 60% of CPU is idle while playing Quake2 with Wine! (Coppermine 900, heated to 1008MHz, 112MHz external) If someone interested here is as I configured the card under FreeBSD 4.9: 1) I had very messed XF86Config after my failed attempts to set up nVidia TNT2 (I will sell it to hell). So I recreated one with /stand/sysinstall - Configure - XFree86 - xf86cfg -textmode. I prefer text mode configuration. The string ''Driver something'' substituted with ''Driver radeon''. 2) Included ''device radeondrm'' in my kernel config and ensured that ''device agp'' is there too. Recompiled and installed a new kernel. (I like the way of this in FreeBSD!) 3) That's all. If someone has any suggestions or remarks then please email me. Yuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
nVidia Riva TNT2 M64 problem on FreeBSD4.9
Hi. I spent so much time trying to make nVidia Riva TNT2 M64 running on FreeBSD4.9 and I think one of us must die! I downloaded NVIDIA-FreeBSD-x86-1.0-4365.tar.gz from www.nvidia.com (it's identical to one from ports' /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver). That's no matter I instal from ports or just by 'make setup' I get the same problem. I have a configured kernel as it was described in nVidia docs (e.g. with USER_LDT) and configured XF86Config accordingly to nvidia driver. I have made big amount of installations (tryed between FreeBSD AGPGART and nVidia AGP, etc.) but whatever I do I get this story: I reboot after installation; login; issue 'startx'. Here I see as it starts Ok (it fills about a half of screen with messages, ends at 'Using config file...'). Usually (with VESA driver) at this point screen flashes to black and then to my desktop (I use KDE). But with nVidia driver I still see these textmode messages for awhile, after that machine reboots! (Without any syncing to disks or shutdown process). I mean it hangs up and nothing of keyboard or hdd or else is active before this dirty reboot. Thanks to God that I configured X back to VESA, but GLX became unusable. So I need help with configuration of nVidia acceleration. I need it for I had some OpenGL programming experience under RH Linux that could be ported to FreeBSD with success. Configurations and logs attached. Thankyou! Yuri (Please CC to my email)___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Re: nVidia Riva TNT2 M64 problem on FreeBSD4.9
Sorry it seems that my attachments fall in abyss some weird way. But forwarding must work well. Try to find them in this email. --- Forwarded message --- From: Yuri Grebenkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: nVidia Riva TNT2 M64 problem on FreeBSD4.9 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 20:48:11 +0300 On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 17:28:04 +0100, Marco Trentini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see any attachments, anyway this could be a SGRAM/SDRAM TNT cards problem. Try (before run X) sysctl hw.nvidia.registry.VideoMemoryTypeOverride=SDRAM or SGRAM (according to your card memory type) I've attached again - configs_logs.tgz And here I try sysctl: Script started on Sun Feb 1 20:30:39 2004 # sysctl -a -o | grep nvidia hw.nvidia.agp.card.rates: 4x 2x 1x hw.nvidia.agp.card.fw: not supported hw.nvidia.agp.card.sba: not supported hw.nvidia.agp.card.registers: 0x1f07:0x hw.nvidia.agp.status.status: disabled hw.nvidia.agp.status.driver: n/a hw.nvidia.agp.status.rate: n/a hw.nvidia.agp.status.fw: n/a hw.nvidia.agp.status.sba: n/a hw.nvidia.version: NVIDIA FreeBSD x86 nvidia.ko Kernel Module 1.0-4365 Wed May 28 09:20:25 PDT 2003 hw.nvidia.registry.EnableVia4x: 0 hw.nvidia.registry.EnableALiAGP: 0 hw.nvidia.registry.EnableAGPSBA: 0 hw.nvidia.registry.EnableAGPFW: 0 hw.nvidia.registry.SoftEDIDs: 1 hw.nvidia.registry.Mobile: 4294967295 hw.nvidia.registry.ResmanDebugLevel: 4294967295 hw.nvidia.registry.FlatPanelMode: 0 hw.nvidia.registry.UpdateKernelAGP: 1 hw.nvidia.cards.0.model: RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro hw.nvidia.cards.0.irq: 11 hw.nvidia.cards.0.vbios: ??.??.??.??.?? hw.nvidia.cards.0.type: AGP # sysctl hw.nvidia.registry.VideoMemoryTypeOverride=SDRAM sysctl: unknown oid 'hw.nvidia.registry.VideoMemoryTypeOverride' # exit exit Script done on Sun Feb 1 20:32:47 2004 Thanks, Yuri. (CC to my email) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nVidia Riva TNT2 M64 problem on FreeBSD4.9
On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 17:28:04 +0100, Marco Trentini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see any attachments, anyway this could be a SGRAM/SDRAM TNT cards problem. Try (before run X) sysctl hw.nvidia.registry.VideoMemoryTypeOverride=SDRAM or SGRAM (according to your card memory type) I've attached again - configs_logs.tgz And here I try sysctl: Script started on Sun Feb 1 20:30:39 2004 # sysctl -a -o | grep nvidia hw.nvidia.agp.card.rates: 4x 2x 1x hw.nvidia.agp.card.fw: not supported hw.nvidia.agp.card.sba: not supported hw.nvidia.agp.card.registers: 0x1f07:0x hw.nvidia.agp.status.status: disabled hw.nvidia.agp.status.driver: n/a hw.nvidia.agp.status.rate: n/a hw.nvidia.agp.status.fw: n/a hw.nvidia.agp.status.sba: n/a hw.nvidia.version: NVIDIA FreeBSD x86 nvidia.ko Kernel Module 1.0-4365 Wed May 28 09:20:25 PDT 2003 hw.nvidia.registry.EnableVia4x: 0 hw.nvidia.registry.EnableALiAGP: 0 hw.nvidia.registry.EnableAGPSBA: 0 hw.nvidia.registry.EnableAGPFW: 0 hw.nvidia.registry.SoftEDIDs: 1 hw.nvidia.registry.Mobile: 4294967295 hw.nvidia.registry.ResmanDebugLevel: 4294967295 hw.nvidia.registry.FlatPanelMode: 0 hw.nvidia.registry.UpdateKernelAGP: 1 hw.nvidia.cards.0.model: RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro hw.nvidia.cards.0.irq: 11 hw.nvidia.cards.0.vbios: ??.??.??.??.?? hw.nvidia.cards.0.type: AGP # sysctl hw.nvidia.registry.VideoMemoryTypeOverride=SDRAM sysctl: unknown oid 'hw.nvidia.registry.VideoMemoryTypeOverride' # exit exit Script done on Sun Feb 1 20:32:47 2004 Thanks, Yuri. (CC to my email)___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Power off
I've added device acpica to my kernel and removed device apm0 Now all work very well! Handbook says that ACPI is better to use than APM. I probably had problems while using APM (even enabled in any sort). Also handbook says that to enable ACPI on -STABLE you need to add 'device acpi' to kernel config, but I found that it must be acpica instead! Maybe it's a mistake? Yuri On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 09:45:53 +0300, Sergey 'DoubleF' Zaharchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31 Jan 2004 18:14:42 -0500 Lowell Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] probably wrote: Yuri Grebenkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi. I used to run poweroff on RH Linux. Now I'm under FreeBSD 4.9 and I can't turn power off - I have to push button by my hand after running halt that prints that system has halted and ready to reboot. Is there any way to turn power off by software? Sure. 'shutdown -p now' will do it, assuming you have apm(4) in your kernel. and apm_enable=YES in your /etc/rc.conf ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nVidia Riva TNT2 M64 problem on FreeBSD4.9
On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 20:21:18 +0100, Marco Trentini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 08:45:45PM +0300, Yuri Grebenkin wrote: On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 17:28:04 +0100, Marco Trentini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see any attachments, anyway this could be a SGRAM/SDRAM TNT cards problem. Try (before run X) sysctl hw.nvidia.registry.VideoMemoryTypeOverride=SDRAM or SGRAM (according to your card memory type) I've attached again - configs_logs.tgz And here I try sysctl: Script started on Sun Feb 1 20:30:39 2004 # sysctl -a -o | grep nvidia hw.nvidia.agp.card.rates: 4x 2x 1x hw.nvidia.agp.card.fw: not supported hw.nvidia.agp.card.sba: not supported hw.nvidia.agp.card.registers: 0x1f07:0x hw.nvidia.agp.status.status: disabled hw.nvidia.agp.status.driver: n/a hw.nvidia.agp.status.rate: n/a hw.nvidia.agp.status.fw: n/a hw.nvidia.agp.status.sba: n/a hw.nvidia.version: NVIDIA FreeBSD x86 nvidia.ko Kernel Module 1.0-4365 Wed May 28 09:20:25 PDT 2003 hw.nvidia.registry.EnableVia4x: 0 hw.nvidia.registry.EnableALiAGP: 0 hw.nvidia.registry.EnableAGPSBA: 0 hw.nvidia.registry.EnableAGPFW: 0 hw.nvidia.registry.SoftEDIDs: 1 hw.nvidia.registry.Mobile: 4294967295 hw.nvidia.registry.ResmanDebugLevel: 4294967295 hw.nvidia.registry.FlatPanelMode: 0 hw.nvidia.registry.UpdateKernelAGP: 1 hw.nvidia.cards.0.model: RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro hw.nvidia.cards.0.irq: 11 hw.nvidia.cards.0.vbios: ??.??.??.??.?? hw.nvidia.cards.0.type: AGP # sysctl hw.nvidia.registry.VideoMemoryTypeOverride=SDRAM sysctl: unknown oid 'hw.nvidia.registry.VideoMemoryTypeOverride' It's stange ... I've noted that trick in the nvidia README (for freebsd). It has become probably obsolete. Try to add a BusID entry in your XF86Config file (Device section ...see XF86Config(5) for more details). See README.linux (/usr/X11R6/share/doc/) also (research tnt key). I've already tryed BusID - the same as ever. In README.Linux I found next interesting things: (1) HARDWARE ISSUES This section describes problems that will not be fixed. Usually, the source of the problem is beyond the control of NVIDIA. Following is the list of problems: ... o VIA KX133 and 694X Chip sets with AGP 2x On Athlon motherboards with the VIA KX133 or 694X chip set, such as the ASUS K7V motherboard, NVIDIA drivers default to AGP 2x mode to work around insufficient drive strength on one of the signals. But I used my card (on motherboard Acorp 694XA with VIA chipset) on Windows with AGP 4x normally. (2) APPENDIX H: TNT SPECIFIC ISSUES Most issues pertaining to SGRAM/SDRAM TNT cards should be resolved. There is the rare chance, however, that your video card has the wrong BIOS installed, and that this driver will continue to fail for you. If this driver fails for you, do the following: o watch your monitor as the system boots. The very first, brief screen will identify the type of video memory your card has. This will be either SGRAM or SDRAM. o edit the file os-registry.c from the kernel module sources. Look for the variable NVreg_VideoMemoryTypeOverride. Set the value of the variable to the type of memory you have (numerically, see the line just above it). o since we don't normally use this variable, change the #if 0 that is about 10 lines above the variable to #if 1. o rebuild and reinstall the new driver (make) About rare chance - I used this card on RH Linux with this sort of drivers and it worked. What they mean by this rare chance? Who that people that install the wrong BIOS? And who is responsible for it? It can be treated by me like a product malfunction... At first when computer reboots I see only 16.0M RAM without any mention of SDRAM or SGRAM. At second I have no os-registry.c on my computer (probably it should be only in linux distro of drivers). I issued grep and found that variable is in nvidia_os_registry.c. I opened it and saw that there is no #if directive at all. After some time I guesed that activation of variables was in tail of the file and in a vary different way than described in docs (by setting '1' in structure). Strange... I compiled with SGRAM (value 2) and was trashed to hang up and reboot as ever. But when I restored my machine I noticed that now the key hw.nvidia.registry.VideoMemoryTypeOverride exist!!! I set it to SDRAM and was punished by rebooting. Maybe I go crazy? And could anyone receive my attachments, is it possible or I'm in trouble? Hell... |:-) Yuri (CC to my email)___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Power off
Hi. I used to run poweroff on RH Linux. Now I'm under FreeBSD 4.9 and I can't turn power off - I have to push button by my hand after running halt that prints that system has halted and ready to reboot. Is there any way to turn power off by software? Please. Yuri (CC to my email) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What hostname should I set?
Hi. I am a full time FreeBSD user at home and all I need from networking is dialup via modem to my ISP. I get my IP dynamically and thus it may vary from call to call. I have migrated to FreeBSD from RH Linux some time ago. RH installation procedure sets hostname and domain as 'localhost' and 'localdomain'. Under FreeBSD there is no default value of hostname. So I've tryed to set it to something like 'me_at_home' or didn't touch it at all. In last case there was some troubles, but they were not critical. So... I wonder what hostname an average user at home should set? I use 4.9-RELEASE. Thank you! (please CC to my email) Yuri ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
