Re: fbsd sendmail as MTA

2007-09-13 Thread Jonathan McKeown
On Thursday 13 September 2007 03:46, Jack Stone wrote:
 We're switching our MTA from postfix to sendmail on a purely mail relay
 server and all is running just fine except for one minor essential.

 Is there any way to have sendmail perform the same service as the
 recipient_bcc.map and sender_bcc.map on postfix? Those using postfix know
 this is used to send bcc of certain emails in order to monitor things like
 users who might want to know what their kids are up to.

 I've spent several days going through sendmail docs and trying other tools
 like procmail to make extra copies from the sender and/or the recip -- but,
 no joy.

[Wild answer off the top of my head]

I have a feeling that sendmail very specifically *doesn't* have an easy way to 
do this because the sendmail people regard it as an invasion of privacy (this 
may even be a FAQ).

I can't instantly think of a way round it, but if I do I'll let you know.

Jonathan
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Re: fbsd sendmail as MTA

2007-09-13 Thread Peter Boosten
 On Thursday 13 September 2007 03:46, Jack Stone wrote:
 We're switching our MTA from postfix to sendmail on a purely mail relay
 server and all is running just fine except for one minor essential.

 Is there any way to have sendmail perform the same service as the

You'll have to look for an external milter.
Search google for sendmail+milter+bcc.

http://www.snertsoft.com/sendmail/milter-bcc/ is a good one to start with
(may or may not fit your needs).

Kind regards,

Peter
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Re: fbsd sendmail as MTA

2007-09-13 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-09-12 20:46, Jack Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We're switching our MTA from postfix to sendmail on a purely mail
 relay server and all is running just fine except for one minor
 essential.

 Is there any way to have sendmail perform the same service as the
 recipient_bcc.map and sender_bcc.map on postfix? Those using postfix
 know this is used to send bcc of certain emails in order to monitor
 things like users who might want to know what their kids are up to.

Yes.  Sendmail supports a mail filtering mechanism called milter,
and there are several popular milter tools out there.

One of the milters which can do what you seem to need is:

http://www.snertsoft.com/sendmail/milter-bcc/index.shtml

Having said that, Postfix bundles a lot of the functionality of many
milters.  If you are happy with the way Postfix works, why do you have
to switch to Sendmail?

I'm a great fan of Sendmail myself, but if Postfix does what you want to
do, if you are more familiar with Postfix, and it will be much easier
for you to maintain a Postfix installation, it may be a good idea to use
Postfix :-)

- Giorgos

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Re: fbsd sendmail as MTA

2007-09-13 Thread Peter Boosten
 Having said that, Postfix bundles a lot of the functionality of many
 milters.  If you are happy with the way Postfix works, why do you have
 to switch to Sendmail?


I use both (on different machines) and they both have their 'charms' :-)

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Re: fbsd sendmail as MTA

2007-09-13 Thread Jack Stone

From: Peter Boosten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jonathan McKeown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: fbsd  sendmail as MTA
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:00:59 +0200 (CEST)

 On Thursday 13 September 2007 03:46, Jack Stone wrote:
 We're switching our MTA from postfix to sendmail on a purely mail relay
 server and all is running just fine except for one minor essential.

 Is there any way to have sendmail perform the same service as the

You'll have to look for an external milter.
Search google for sendmail+milter+bcc.

http://www.snertsoft.com/sendmail/milter-bcc/ is a good one to start with
(may or may not fit your needs).

Kind regards,

Peter
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Blush... I was so focused on procmail as a tool, I completely forgot snert's 
great milters. I use the regex-milter as a front-line wall against junk.


Thanks for reminding me as that sounds like what I'm looking for.

BTW: I'm much better at sendmail than postfix (although it doesn't sound 
like it) and as I am the server guy for an ISP, we are moving several 
postfix machines to sendmail which may answer that question coming from G. 
I find it hard to master more than one MTA, although far from a master of 
sendmail yet. Used it for 10+ years.


Really appreciate the response!

Jack

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Re: fbsd sendmail as MTA

2007-09-13 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-09-13 13:49, Peter Boosten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Having said that, Postfix bundles a lot of the functionality of many
 milters.  If you are happy with the way Postfix works, why do you have
 to switch to Sendmail?

 I use both (on different machines) and they both have their 'charms' :-)

No argument there, at least from me :-)

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Re: fbsd sendmail as MTA

2007-09-13 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg

On Sep 12, 2007, at 8:46 PM, Jack Stone wrote:

Is there any way to have sendmail perform the same service as the  
recipient_bcc.map and sender_bcc.map on postfix? Those using  
postfix know this is used to send bcc of certain emails in order to  
monitor things like users who might want to know what their kids  
are up to.


I've used the mime-defang milter for this.  I was already using MIME- 
Defang for other things, and I wouldn't recommend going with it if  
your only need is to add blind recipients to various messages.


-j


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fbsd sendmail as MTA

2007-09-12 Thread Jack Stone
We're switching our MTA from postfix to sendmail on a purely mail relay 
server and all is running just fine except for one minor essential.


Is there any way to have sendmail perform the same service as the 
recipient_bcc.map and sender_bcc.map on postfix? Those using postfix know 
this is used to send bcc of certain emails in order to monitor things like 
users who might want to know what their kids are up to.


I've spent several days going through sendmail docs and trying other tools 
like procmail to make extra copies from the sender and/or the recip -- but, 
no joy.


Really could use some help.

Any ideas?

Jack

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