Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-18 Thread Dan
Matthew Seaman(m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk)@2008.12.13 22:30:43 +: Sure LDAP is complicated, but it's of the same order of complexity as a RDBMS system like MySQL. And like MySQL, there are right times, places and ways to use it, and wrong ones too. Yes, there is a lot of complexity,

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-18 Thread Peter Boosten
Dan wrote: Matthew Seaman(m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk)@2008.12.13 22:30:43 +: Sure LDAP is complicated, but it's of the same order of complexity as a RDBMS system like MySQL. And like MySQL, there are right times, places and ways to use it, and wrong ones too. Yes, there is a lot of

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-18 Thread Peter Boosten
Peter Boosten wrote: Dan wrote: I can't disagree more. LDAP is way simpler than any SQL database, even SQLite. That said because people are not familiar/don't grock the simplicity of LDAP, they decide to use SQL databases (partly because everyone else does). For the persistent ones: you can

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-17 Thread Valentin Bud
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: LDAP is the way to go. the right tool for the task is the way to go. 100% agree. generally speaking now. a great day, v ___

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-16 Thread Dan
LDAP is the way to go. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
LDAP is the way to go. the right tool for the task is the way to go. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-14 Thread Da Rock
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 09:48 +0200, Valentin Bud wrote: Hello list, I don't know if the Subject says what i really want to achieve but i do hope that i will make myself understood. I work for a school and i want to install in 2 labs on very low performance computers (1 Ghz CPU, 126 Mb

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-14 Thread Da Rock
On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 10:08 +0100, Michel Talon wrote: Lowell Gilbert wrote: NIS, which stands for Network Information Services, was developed by Sun Microsystems to centralize administration of UNIX (originally SunOS) systems. It has now essentially become an industry standard;

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-14 Thread Outback Dingo
Wouldn't kerberos be a better alternative? One server (maybe a replicated backup), and all services authenticate with that. Saves shadow on the wire... I think the ulitimate question is going to be at what level of pain does the person wish to suffer to achieve his goals there are numerous

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-14 Thread Da Rock
On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 17:59 +0700, Outback Dingo wrote: Wouldn't kerberos be a better alternative? One server (maybe a replicated backup), and all services authenticate with that. Saves shadow on the wire... I think the ulitimate question is going to be at what level of pain does the

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-13 Thread Michel Talon
Lowell Gilbert wrote: NIS, which stands for Network Information Services, was developed by Sun Microsystems to centralize administration of UNIX (originally SunOS) systems. It has now essentially become an industry standard; all major UNIX like systems (Solaris, HP-UX, AIX(R),

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-13 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Michel Talon wrote: Lowell Gilbert wrote: NIS, which stands for Network Information Services, was developed by Sun Microsystems to centralize administration of UNIX (originally SunOS) systems. It has now essentially become an industry standard; all major UNIX like systems

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-13 Thread Volodymyr Kostyrko
Valentin Bud wrote: There are different students that use those computers and they change frequently. So i thought to make a server, using FreeBSD (of course), that has a database of users so the linux machines don't have local users but they query the DB to get login credentials and such. I

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-13 Thread Valentin Bud
Hello list, Thanks everybody for comments, things are starting to become more clear now. I have to do the reading regarding all the recom i have received from all of you which will take me some time because this project is in my spare time which is close to unexistent. I'll come back with

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-13 Thread Matthew Seaman
Nguyen Tam Chinh wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org wrote: Valentin Bud wrote: If you only have UNIX systems in LAN. But in my case i have Linux + FreeBSD (server). From the handbook NIS only works between FBSDs. Am i missing something? You are correct.

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Of course, as has been pointed out else-thread, LDAP is the way of the future. It's much more scalable and interoperable between different OSes and much more overcomplex, mostly unneeded complexity IMHO. Please think twice before telling about the way of the future. It's just one way, and i

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-13 Thread Matthew Seaman
Wojciech Puchar wrote: Of course, as has been pointed out else-thread, LDAP is the way of the future. It's much more scalable and interoperable between different OSes and much more overcomplex, mostly unneeded complexity IMHO. Please think twice before telling about the way of the future.

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Funnily enough, I am actually in complete agreement with you. When I said The Way of the Future -- that should be read with a certain degree of irony. No one is going to remove the simpler ways of doing this stuff any time soon, because the simple way is the right way for the vast majority

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Valentin Bud wrote: Hello list, I don't know if the Subject says what i really want to achieve but i do hope that i will make myself understood. I work for a school and i want to install in 2 labs on very low performance computers (1 Ghz CPU, 126 Mb RAM) some linux distro (zen walk). I

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I agree - NIS is easiest to setup, but LDAP is the right solution in this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right solution? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Ivan Voras
Ivan Voras wrote: Manolis Kiagias wrote: don't have local users but they query the DB to get login credentials and such. I don't really know what to look for. So any suggestion and hints to how can i achieve this are welcomed. thank you and a great day, v What you are looking for

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Ivan Voras
Manolis Kiagias wrote: don't have local users but they query the DB to get login credentials and such. I don't really know what to look for. So any suggestion and hints to how can i achieve this are welcomed. thank you and a great day, v What you are looking for is called NIS:

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Valentin Bud
Hello list, Thank you everyone for your input. I now know what to look for. Gave it a read at NIS in the handbook but as you guys said it's FBSD only so because of the interoperability i think i will go with LDAP. I'll just have to check if (i suppose it does) that particular linux distro is

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Julien Cigar
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 13:26 +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: 2008/12/12 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: I agree - NIS is easiest to setup, but LDAP is the right solution in this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right solution?

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Ivan Voras
2008/12/12 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: I agree - NIS is easiest to setup, but LDAP is the right solution in this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right solution? Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X.

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Boris Samorodov
Julien Cigar jci...@ulb.ac.be writes: Off-topic, but do you know any good tool other than gq/phpldapadmin to manage/browse/... an LDAP server ? At the moment I've my own set of LDIF files that I use with ldap[add|delete|modify], but it's not very flexible .. A ncurses tool would be perfect.

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Outback Dingo
look at gosa its a fairly well rounded ldap administration suite, probably more then you might need, but it covers alot of the services https://oss.gonicus.de/labs/gosa/ or potentially even Zivios might fit your needs http://www.zivios.org/ On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Julien Cigar

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar
this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right solution? Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. so not right but interoperable. if i do have only unix systems in LAN, NIS is much better easier and faster. for

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Valentin Bud
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right solution? Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. so not right but interoperable.

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Julien Cigar
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 14:12 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right solution? Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. so not right but interoperable. if i do have only unix

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Ivan Voras
Valentin Bud wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right solution? Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. so not right

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Ivan Voras
Julien Cigar wrote: On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 13:26 +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: 2008/12/12 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: I agree - NIS is easiest to setup, but LDAP is the right solution in this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Nguyen Tam Chinh
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org wrote: Valentin Bud wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right solution?

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Dan
Wojciech Puchar(woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl)@2008.12.12 14:12:45 +0100: this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right solution? Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. so not right but interoperable. if i do have only

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Doug Hardie
On Dec 12, 2008, at 10:19, Dan wrote: Wojciech Puchar(woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl)@2008.12.12 14:12:45 +0100: this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right solution? Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. so not

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Valentin Bud valentin@gmail.com writes: If you only have UNIX systems in LAN. But in my case i have Linux + FreeBSD (server). From the handbook NIS only works between FBSDs. Am i missing something? Apparently. Quoting the Handbook: NIS, which stands for Network Information Services,

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Valentin Bud valentin@gmail.com writes: handbook but as you guys said it's FBSD only Well, aside from other Unix-like systems. Certainly Linux, MacOS, anything from Sun (which invented it), all the other BSDs, Ultrix, and probably anything else that ends in 'ix'. It might be a bit tricky

Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-11 Thread Valentin Bud
Hello list, I don't know if the Subject says what i really want to achieve but i do hope that i will make myself understood. I work for a school and i want to install in 2 labs on very low performance computers (1 Ghz CPU, 126 Mb RAM) some linux distro (zen walk). I *need* to install linux