Re: Devil Mascot
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kai Grossjohann (kg) writes: kg Software is written for users, isn't it? From observation I would say that most software is written against users. As for FBSD, I hope it is being written for the enjoyment of those writing it, since that is the best insurance that it will keep being written. -- Mail me as [EMAIL PROTECTED]_O_ | ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
Thompson, Jimi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why should The FreeBSD project be interested in users ? They are VERY interested in users, according to my humble experience. And that's good: Software is written for users, isn't it? Kai ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Devil Mascot
Andrew L. Gould wrote: On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:20:17 -0400 Chris Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This thread cracks me up. No matter how many times the same subject has been brought up, I still can't stop laughing at the silliness of it all. Maybe FreeBSD should make a fuzzy bunny that does a happy dance...but, then we'd be stepping on the Easter Bunnies toes, and we all know what could happen then!!! Too fluffy. FreeBSD is a no-fluff OS! ;-) Bun-Bun isn't fluffy. Ok, and he is no longer the easter bunny. And I am sure the happy dance is performed by the easter beagle. Hendrik ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
On Jun 15, 2004, at 11:20 AM, Chris Lynch wrote: This thread cracks me up. No matter how many times the same subject has been brought up, I still can't stop laughing at the silliness of it all. Maybe FreeBSD should make a fuzzy bunny that does a happy dance...but, then we'd be stepping on the Easter Bunnies toes, and we all know what could happen then!!! can't. You never looked up Plan 9's mascot? ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
Thompson, Jimi wrote: SNIP From a marketing perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD because they have religious objections to a product that is promoted by a devil. Why should The FreeBSD project be interested in users ? It is not a commerial project. I think the FreeBSD folks are interested in making a cool unix-like operating system, not much else. /SNIP SOAPBOX My personal view is that the daemon logo performs as pre-filter to help us locate reasonable users. You are either a sufficiently advanced as a person to deal using a product that has a daemon for a logo, in which case we welcome you as a user of one of the finest operating systems around. If you are not sufficiently advanced to handle this concept then you won't use our product in which case the only thing we miss out on dealing with yet another religious bigot. Where's the downside? /SOAPBOX 2 cents, Jimi ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] My thoughts exactly. It is a kind of intelligence test and filter. Like the rest of freebsd, you either get it or you dont. Freebsd is not for everyone. Im kind of turning into a freebsd zealot though. Its almost good enough to worship. If beastie could be considered a god he is not a jealous god like the jewish one. Although there are plenty of people who have given their hearts and souls to the project, but it is not compulsory. There are plenty more that sleep well of a night knowing that beastie is looking out for them. Prayers to beastie via freebsd-questions seem to be answered quite promptly. I dont know of any other god that has as good a track record. I dont like being blown off with that he works in mysterious ways crap. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
On 6/13/2004 at 5:02 PM Edward Hendrie wrote: | |Look at how MSN is marketing its ISP. They use characters dressed in |harmless butterfly costumes. = Looks more like a mosquito to me. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 05:02:49PM -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing Ed, it's obvious you've hit a nerve. Many list subscribers who have never contributed before, feel compelled to reply, repeating the same explanations which have been posted only minutes before by others. The FreeBSD devil may have been responsible for the fall of the great PTL Club during the 1980's. During his trial, Jim Bakker explained, ...the devil got into the computer. That's enough for me. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
On 6/13/2004 at 5:02 PM Edward Hendrie wrote: | |Look at how MSN is marketing its ISP. They use characters dressed in |harmless butterfly costumes. = Looks more like a mosquito to me. I don't know about that, but it probably tracks disease all over. And if that thing ever sat on somebody, they would be squashed dead. jerry ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 05:02:49PM -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing Ed, it's obvious you've hit a nerve. Many list subscribers who have never contributed before, feel compelled to reply, repeating the same explanations which have been posted only minutes before by others. Mostly for entertainment. The FreeBSD devil may have been responsible for the fall of the great PTL Club during the 1980's. During his trial, Jim Bakker explained, ...the devil got into the computer. That's enough for me. So, if that is the case, it has justified its existance many times over... jerry ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Devil Mascot
This thread cracks me up. No matter how many times the same subject has been brought up, I still can't stop laughing at the silliness of it all. Maybe FreeBSD should make a fuzzy bunny that does a happy dance...but, then we'd be stepping on the Easter Bunnies toes, and we all know what could happen then!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry McAllister Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:41 AM To: Mi A. Llort Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Devil Mascot On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 05:02:49PM -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing Ed, it's obvious you've hit a nerve. Many list subscribers who have never contributed before, feel compelled to reply, repeating the same explanations which have been posted only minutes before by others. Mostly for entertainment. The FreeBSD devil may have been responsible for the fall of the great PTL Club during the 1980's. During his trial, Jim Bakker explained, ...the devil got into the computer. That's enough for me. So, if that is the case, it has justified its existance many times over... jerry ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT ...] Re: Devil Mascot
Chris Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This thread cracks me up. No matter how many times the same subject has been brought up, I still can't stop laughing at the silliness of it all. Maybe FreeBSD should make a fuzzy bunny that does a happy dance...but, then we'd be stepping on the Easter Bunnies toes, and we all know what could happen then!!! Dude! Don't fsck with the easter bunny! I knew this guy once. He started talking bad about Easter ... about how he though dying eggs was stupid and stuff ... that summer, his garden was _ruined_! He had all these lovely vegetables he had planted, and right when it was almost time to harvest (after he'd done all sorts of work for months, weeding and watering) BOOM! it was all eaten to the ground. I mean, there was nothing left! It was like a herd of rabbits just rolled through and ate everything. So don't mess with the Easter Bunny ... he's got contacts! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry McAllister Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:41 AM To: Mi A. Llort Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Devil Mascot On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 05:02:49PM -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing Ed, it's obvious you've hit a nerve. Many list subscribers who have never contributed before, feel compelled to reply, repeating the same explanations which have been posted only minutes before by others. Mostly for entertainment. The FreeBSD devil may have been responsible for the fall of the great PTL Club during the 1980's. During his trial, Jim Bakker explained, ...the devil got into the computer. That's enough for me. So, if that is the case, it has justified its existance many times over... jerry ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:20:17 -0400, Chris Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This thread cracks me up. No matter how many times the same subject has been brought up, I still can't stop laughing at the silliness of it all. Maybe FreeBSD should make a fuzzy bunny that does a happy dance...but, then we'd be stepping on the Easter Bunnies toes, and we all know what could happen then!!! Coal in your easter basket? -- Andy Harrison ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
This thread cracks me up. No matter how many times the same subject has been brought up, I still can't stop laughing at the silliness of it all. Maybe FreeBSD should make a fuzzy bunny that does a happy dance...but, then we'd be stepping on the Easter Bunnies toes, and we all know what could happen then!!! Nah, then we'd just get sued by Union Crabride for stealing their battery bunny. That would set things back a lot more than suits from ATT (or SCO) over content. jerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry McAllister Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:41 AM To: Mi A. Llort Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Devil Mascot On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 05:02:49PM -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing Ed, it's obvious you've hit a nerve. Many list subscribers who have never contributed before, feel compelled to reply, repeating the same explanations which have been posted only minutes before by others. Mostly for entertainment. The FreeBSD devil may have been responsible for the fall of the great PTL Club during the 1980's. During his trial, Jim Bakker explained, ...the devil got into the computer. That's enough for me. So, if that is the case, it has justified its existance many times over... jerry ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Re: Devil Mascot
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:20:17 -0400 Chris Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This thread cracks me up. No matter how many times the same subject has been brought up, I still can't stop laughing at the silliness of it all. Maybe FreeBSD should make a fuzzy bunny that does a happy dance...but, then we'd be stepping on the Easter Bunnies toes, and we all know what could happen then!!! Too fluffy. FreeBSD is a no-fluff OS! ;-) Andrew Gould ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 11:20:17AM -0400, Chris Lynch wrote: This thread cracks me up. No matter how many times the same subject has been brought up, I still can't stop laughing at the silliness of it all. Maybe FreeBSD should make a fuzzy bunny that does a happy dance...but, then we'd be stepping on the Easter Bunnies toes, and we all know what could happen then!!! If you look at the gif image in a text editor and read backwards, you can just make out the words I killed Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry McAllister Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:41 AM To: Mi A. Llort Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Devil Mascot On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 05:02:49PM -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing Ed, it's obvious you've hit a nerve. Many list subscribers who have never contributed before, feel compelled to reply, repeating the same explanations which have been posted only minutes before by others. Mostly for entertainment. The FreeBSD devil may have been responsible for the fall of the great PTL Club during the 1980's. During his trial, Jim Bakker explained, ...the devil got into the computer. That's enough for me. So, if that is the case, it has justified its existance many times over... jerry ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Michael Galvez http://www.people.virginia.edu/~mrg8n Information Technology Specialist University of Virginia Financial AnalysisOffice: 434-982-2975 USENIX Member Did you know that clones never use mirrors? -- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
End of thread: Re: Devil Mascot
Hi all, Mostly for entertainment. Agreed. It was fun, thanks all. EOT, please? ... Nico ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:53:57 -0400 Mi A. Llort [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 05:02:49PM -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing Ed, it's obvious you've hit a nerve. Many list subscribers who have never contributed before, feel compelled to reply, repeating the same explanations which have been posted only minutes before by others. The FreeBSD devil may have been responsible for the fall of the great PTL Club during the 1980's. During his trial, Jim Bakker explained, ...the devil got into the computer. That's enough for me. And of course clearly demonstrates that the logo is The mark of the Beastie... ;-) -- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
On Tuesday 15 June 2004 11:19 am, Randy Pratt wrote: On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:53:57 -0400 Mi A. Llort [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 05:02:49PM -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing Ed, it's obvious you've hit a nerve. Many list subscribers who have never contributed before, feel compelled to reply, repeating the same explanations which have been posted only minutes before by others. The FreeBSD devil may have been responsible for the fall of the great PTL Club during the 1980's. During his trial, Jim Bakker explained, ...the devil got into the computer. That's enough for me. And of course clearly demonstrates that the logo is The mark of the Beastie... ;-) ... Let's not forget the mark ... chmod 666 -- Best regards, Chris ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
On Tuesday 15 June 2004 11:19 am, Randy Pratt wrote: On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:53:57 -0400 Mi A. Llort [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 05:02:49PM -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing ... The FreeBSD devil may have been responsible for the fall of the great PTL Club during the 1980's. During his trial, Jim Bakker explained, ...the devil got into the computer. That's enough for me. And of course clearly demonstrates that the logo is The mark of the Beastie... ;-) ... Let's not forget the mark ... chmod 666 Would that be an anti-capital punishment slogan? - whereas chmod 111 would be pro-capital punishment? jerry -- Best regards, Chris ___ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
Peter, Very funny. You nearly made me spew coffee all over my monitor. Edward, As a committed Christian I have no problem whatsoever with the mascot. I understand the obvious play on words between a daemon and a demon. Those who would have problems with this mascot have other, deeper issues that need dealt with. I think this quote says it all; Those without a sense of humor are at the mercy of the rest of us. I also agree with those who have already mentioned that FreeBSD is not really driven by any marketing schema. The reason I chose FreeBSD is because I found it superior to Linux and Windoze, regardless of it's mascot. Sincerely, Thad Butterworth -- Message: 29 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:53:49 -0500 From: Peter Pauly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Devil Mascot To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wonder if the FreeBSD daemon could be considered a god... because he can make world. -- Edward Hendrie wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html From a marketing perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD because they have religious objections to a product that is promoted by a devil. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Devil Mascot
On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 10:39, Andrew L. Gould wrote: Maybe FreeBSD should make a fuzzy bunny that does a happy dance... Too fluffy. FreeBSD is a no-fluff OS! ;-) No, but it keeps going and going and going and going and... Cheers, Frank signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Devil Mascot
Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD because they have religious objections to a product that is promoted by a devil. You may think that is a small issue, but when you are trying to create market awareness you need a mascot that evokes simplicity and goodwill, not one that evokes evil and deception. Look at how MSN is marketing its ISP. They use characters dressed in harmless butterfly costumes. Linux, has done the same with its pudgy cute penguin. You might want to rethink your mascot. Edward Hendrie ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
On Monday 14 June 2004 02:02, Edward Hendrie wrote: Hi, Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? It's not a devil, it's a daemon. Look at how MSN is marketing its ISP. They use characters dressed in harmless butterfly costumes. ... looking ridiculous, IMHO... You might want to rethink your mascot. I don't think so... HTH Johannes Lochmann ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
You may think that is a small issue, but when you are trying to create market awareness you need a mascot that evokes simplicity and goodwill, not one that evokes evil and deception. Man... either you're a (moderately funny) troll or *you're* the one with some serious issues here. It's a daemon, which is not a demon and surely not a devil. http://www.mckusick.com/beastie/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
Edward Hendrie wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html From a marketing perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD because they have religious objections to a product that is promoted by a devil. Why should The FreeBSD project be interested in users ? It is not a commerial project. I think the FreeBSD folks are interested in making a cool unix-like operating system, not much else. Ole -- DarwinPorts committer, www.opendarwin.org/~olegb ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
You may think that is a small issue, but when you are trying to create market awareness you need a mascot that evokes simplicity and goodwill, not one that evokes evil and deception. I think it looks friendly, not evil at all. Moreover, it says FreeBSD, the power to serve. Sounds goodwilling to me. Btw, when I run my FreeBSD (4.x) machine, I don't see any daemon images other than the ones I put in icons and backgrounds myself. GH ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
Edward Hendrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD because they have religious objections to a product that is promoted by a devil. You may think that is a small issue, but when you are trying to create market awareness you need a mascot that evokes simplicity and goodwill, not one that evokes evil and deception. Look at how MSN is marketing its ISP. They use characters dressed in harmless butterfly costumes. Linux, has done the same with its pudgy cute penguin. You might want to rethink your mascot. This has come up 1 times. It's simply not going to happen because the beastie has too much historical significance. It's a matter of pride that the beastie mascot has more history than the Linux penguin and the Microshit butterfly put together. Besides, he wasn't designed to be market friendly, he was designed to be a technical pun (he's not a devil, he's a daemon) There are wild, baseless predictions that the world will reject FreeBSD because of the beastie every 6 months or so. Aside from the fact that I don't believe it, it simply doesn't bear out in reality. There are more people hijacking the beastie to use as a logo for other things than I can keep track of. I've seen more renditions of the beastie in artwork than both the penguin and the butterfly combined. The simple fact is that _most_ people like the beastie, and the few who are horribly offended by it don't seem to be significant in any way. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
On 13/06/04 17:02 -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD because they have religious objections to a product that is promoted by a devil. What a ridiculous statement. Tell me, Edward, who ever made you the mouthpiece for 'many people of various religious backgrounds'? The FreeBSD Daemon is a mascot, and that's all ; If FreeBSD is promoted by a devil, then Linux is promoted by a penguin. You may think that is a small issue, but when you are trying to create market awareness you need a mascot that evokes simplicity and goodwill, not one that evokes evil and deception. I suppose that the devil influenced the thousands of sysadmins who run large network installations to go over to the dark side and install FreeBSD. Look at how MSN is marketing its ISP. They use characters dressed in harmless butterfly costumes. Linux, has done the same with its pudgy cute penguin. You might want to rethink your mascot. I know that you are trolling, but I'm bored. If the butter fly costume is sucjh a great thing, then why don't you leave here and go buy one. Wear it to church and family reunions. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
On 06/13/04 05:02 PM, Edward Hendrie sat at the `puter and typed: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD because they have religious objections to a product that is promoted by a devil. As has been stated on this list EVERY DARN TIME this subject is brought up, it's not a Devil, it's a daemon, and there IS a difference. Let the religious fanatics figure it out for themselves. If they're too blinded by zeal to READ about it, that's their problem. Yes, there is a link on the site, but I've not had my coffee yet, so someone else will probably post it, or you can try LOOKING for it yourself. You may think that is a small issue, but when you are trying to create market awareness you need a mascot that evokes simplicity and goodwill, not one that evokes evil and deception. No, you're thinking of a butterfly. If you look up the origins of the daemon, you'll find that it is exactly the right mascot for FreeBSD. It precedes the judeo-christion concept of the devil. Look at how MSN is marketing its ISP. They use characters dressed in harmless butterfly costumes. Linux, has done the same with its pudgy cute penguin. You might want to rethink your mascot. No, I think that butterfly is the stupidest mascot I've ever seen. I also think the daemon is one of the coolest. And judging from past responses to this question, there are lots of people who will get good and angry at any concerted effort to remove it. And using a butterfly doesn't mean anything more than M$ spends too much money on marketing and not enough money FIXING their software. If this thread is to be productive, someone will think of a real mascot that was even dumber than that guy in a butterfly suit. Now that's a challenge. Sorry if the tone here is a little cranky. As I said, I haven't had my coffee yet . . . Lou -- Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org ԿԬ By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity. Another man's, I mean. -- Mark Twain ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
If some people are put off from FreeBSD because the devil mascot evokes evil and deception, they are not people I personally would want using the same OS as me. Good riddance! Speaking only for myself, of course. Now MSN, and its behemoth parent Microsoft, on the other hand... *There's* evil and deception for ya! ;-) -Henrik W Lund ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
Please realize that I am not an official representative of FreeBSD, nor any organization associated to it. --- Edward Hendrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? Daemon... From a marketing perspective, Blasphemy... you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD because they have religious objections to a product that is promoted by a devil. Again... daemon. As well they may, that type of individual is not the target demographic. FreeBSD is typically a *nix type OS that makes an ideal Internet or Intranet server. If a person will make a critical judgement on their OS not by quality of code and system stability, but by what animated mascot is on a website, frankly (and I mean this in the kindest, most pleasant manner, also NOT a representative of FreeBSD) I don't feel that the FreeBSD community wants/needs such an individual. You may think that is a small issue, but when you are trying to create market awareness you need a mascot that evokes simplicity and goodwill, not one that evokes evil and deception. Once again, marketing awareness is not necessarily the primary goal. The gifted individuals (whom I hold in the utmost reverance) who actually code the OS, and make a solid, stable OS for us mear leaches who benifit from their good will. If you wish to influence the community, become a committer, get into the core group, and then you will be in a powerful position to voice your concerns. Shouldn't take too long I expect. Again... a daemon (day-mon) (pre-Christian influence) is intended as follows (from dictionary.com). A spirit, or immaterial being, holding a middle place between men and deities in pagan mythology. A spirit running errands/a program carrying out commands. No evil and deception intended. Look at how MSN is marketing its ISP. They use characters dressed in harmless butterfly costumes. Harmless? I think not! http://www4.tomshardware.com/business/20030110/ces2003_day1-03.html http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20021025.html Linux, has done the same with its pudgy cute penguin. You might want to rethink your mascot. Yes, Tux is cute. As is beastie... it's all a matter of personal preference. Cuteness, as is beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Here's a suggestion. I'm sure the OpenBSD (www.openbsd.org) mailing list would love to hear from you. Their mascot is a cute little, non-offensive blowfish. What could go wrong there? Edward Hendrie Note: the previous paragraph I typed in jest. Stereotypically, the OpenBSD mailing list tends to be somewhat hostile to off topic subjects, brought about by newbies such as myself. __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
On Jun 13, 2004, at 8:02 PM, Edward Hendrie wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD because they have religious objections to a product that is promoted by a devil. He's a play on the word daemon. From the jargon file: * daemon operating system /day'mn/ or /dee'mn/ (From the mythological meaning, later rationalised as the acronym Disk And Execution MONitor) A program that is not invoked explicitly, but lies dormant waiting for some condition(s) to occur. The idea is that the perpetrator of the condition need not be aware that a daemon is lurking (though often a program will commit an action only because it knows that it will implicitly invoke a daemon). For example, under ITS writing a file on the LPT spooler's directory would invoke the spooling daemon, which would then print the file. The advantage is that programs wanting files printed need neither compete for access to, nor understand any idiosyncrasies of, the LPT. They simply enter their implicit requests and let the daemon decide what to do with them. Daemons are usually spawned automatically by the system, and may either live forever or be regenerated at intervals. Unix systems run many daemons, chiefly to handle requests for services from other hosts on a network. Most of these are now started as required by a single real daemon, inetd, rather than running continuously. Examples are cron (local timed command execution), rshd (remote command execution), rlogind and telnetd (remote login), ftpd, nfsd (file transfer), lpd (printing). Daemon and demon are often used interchangeably, but seem to have distinct connotations (see demon). The term daemon was introduced to computing by CTSS people (who pronounced it /dee'mon/) and used it to refer to what ITS called a dragon. [Jargon File] (1995-05-11) You may think that is a small issue, but when you are trying to create market awareness you need a mascot that evokes simplicity and goodwill, not one that evokes evil and deception. I don't think they are creating a marketing presence. FreeBSD users aren't making money off this. It's not a business. Many of the old school users probably really don't care about taking over the desktops around the world...we want our workstations and servers to stay up with as little downtime and hassle as possible. If someone prefers to be offended by a logo and stay away from it, then they can put up with the additional hassles of Windows or move to a Linux distro of their choice. Doesn't cut into our profit margin :-) Look at how MSN is marketing its ISP. They use characters dressed in harmless butterfly costumes. Linux, has done the same with its pudgy cute penguin. You might want to rethink your mascot. JW Gacy was a clown, MS has a butterflyboth look harmless...judging by a mascot, while important for marketing, won't really affect a product that isn't reliant on marketing but instead on merit. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
Hello all. We are proud of it. Period. At 08:33 a.m. 14/06/04 -0400, you wrote: On 13/06/04 17:02 -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD because they have religious objections to a product that is promoted by a devil. What a ridiculous statement. Tell me, Edward, who ever made you the mouthpiece for 'many people of various religious backgrounds'? The FreeBSD Daemon is a mascot, and that's all ; If FreeBSD is promoted by a devil, then Linux is promoted by a penguin. You may think that is a small issue, but when you are trying to create market awareness you need a mascot that evokes simplicity and goodwill, not one that evokes evil and deception. I suppose that the devil influenced the thousands of sysadmins who run large network installations to go over to the dark side and install FreeBSD. Look at how MSN is marketing its ISP. They use characters dressed in harmless butterfly costumes. Linux, has done the same with its pudgy cute penguin. You might want to rethink your mascot. I know that you are trolling, but I'm bored. If the butter fly costume is sucjh a great thing, then why don't you leave here and go buy one. Wear it to church and family reunions. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Devil Mascot
SNIP From a marketing perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD because they have religious objections to a product that is promoted by a devil. Why should The FreeBSD project be interested in users ? It is not a commerial project. I think the FreeBSD folks are interested in making a cool unix-like operating system, not much else. /SNIP SOAPBOX My personal view is that the daemon logo performs as pre-filter to help us locate reasonable users. You are either a sufficiently advanced as a person to deal using a product that has a daemon for a logo, in which case we welcome you as a user of one of the finest operating systems around. If you are not sufficiently advanced to handle this concept then you won't use our product in which case the only thing we miss out on dealing with yet another religious bigot. Where's the downside? /SOAPBOX 2 cents, Jimi ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
Btw, I wonder what sane sysadmin would base his choice between OS'es upon their mascot. At least I wouldn't drop an excellent OS such as FreeBSD just for the mascot. For clarity: it refers to background server processes, not evil. The penguin refers to nothing. And if you really want BSD but can't live with the daemon, you could go with OpenBSD, another excellent BSD-based OS. Their mascot is a blowfish (referring to encryption). GH ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
You may think that is a small issue, but when you are trying to create market awareness you need a mascot that evokes simplicity and goodwill, not one that evokes evil and deception. For the original inspiration, look up Maxwell's daemon on google. In the 19th century, Maxwell used the daemon entity to represent thermodynamic forces acting between molecules. I first heard of it in a chemistry textbook where a fairy character was used as a tour guide for atoms/molecules. And if the cartoon picture of the BSD daemon is enough to give you the willies, it is beyond the scope of freebsd-questions to help you ;) lazybones ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
For clarity: it refers to background server processes, not evil. The penguin refers to nothing. Tux looks cute, but does it stand for (code) bloat? ;-) -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, Edward Hendrie wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD because they have religious objections to a product that is promoted by a devil. Wait'll they get a load of Apple, their OS is named after *Darwin*! ;) KeS ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Cordula's Web (cw) writes: cw Tux looks cute, but does it stand for (code) bloat? ;-) It's quite simple: BSD: Daemon, evil, 'nuff said. Linux: Penguin, it's never going to fly. Windows: Distorted windowframe, lets crooks in. MSN: Butterfly, a maggot partially disguised by graphic design Apple: Apple, sinful, probbaly contains maggots due to M$ tie up. MacOsX: X, standard mark for `this is wrong'. Java:Coffee, you're gonna have sleepless nights. -- Mail me as [EMAIL PROTECTED]_O_ | ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 08:31:40AM -0400, Bill Moran wrote: This has come up 1 times. It's simply not going to happen because the beastie has too much historical significance. It's a matter of pride that the beastie mascot has more history than the Linux penguin and the Microshit butterfly put together. Besides, he wasn't designed to be market friendly, he was designed to be a technical pun (he's not a devil, he's a daemon) There are wild, baseless predictions that the world will reject FreeBSD because of the beastie every 6 months or so. Aside from the fact that I don't believe it, it simply doesn't bear out in reality. There are more people hijacking the beastie to use as a logo for other things than I can keep track of. I've seen more renditions of the beastie in artwork than both the penguin and the butterfly combined. The simple fact is that _most_ people like the beastie, and the few who are horribly offended by it don't seem to be significant in any way. Actually, it's hard to tell if they're hijacking beastie or Sparkie, the Arizona State Sun Devil. I understand that Sparkie was done by a Disney animator, but I don't know when he was born. He easily goes back to the early seventies. Greg ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? You might want to look at the output of whois antichristconspiracy.com before wasting your time responding to this. Then you can construct much more amusing replies. -- Richard ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 05:02:49PM -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD because they have religious objections to a product that is promoted by a devil. Another brand with a (red) devil as a mascot: http://www.manutd.com Manchester United are the most commercially successful soccer club in the world, with a global fanbase comprising of people of all ages, races, nationalities and religions. You may think that is a small issue, but when you are trying to create market awareness you need a mascot that evokes simplicity and goodwill, not one that evokes evil and deception. Given that FreeBSD is not a commercial project, such considerations are almost entirely irrelevant. -- Anthony Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[going OT ...] Re: Devil Mascot
Greg Pavelcak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 08:31:40AM -0400, Bill Moran wrote: This has come up 1 times. It's simply not going to happen because the beastie has too much historical significance. It's a matter of pride that the beastie mascot has more history than the Linux penguin and the Microshit butterfly put together. Besides, he wasn't designed to be market friendly, he was designed to be a technical pun (he's not a devil, he's a daemon) There are wild, baseless predictions that the world will reject FreeBSD because of the beastie every 6 months or so. Aside from the fact that I don't believe it, it simply doesn't bear out in reality. There are more people hijacking the beastie to use as a logo for other things than I can keep track of. I've seen more renditions of the beastie in artwork than both the penguin and the butterfly combined. The simple fact is that _most_ people like the beastie, and the few who are horribly offended by it don't seem to be significant in any way. Actually, it's hard to tell if they're hijacking beastie or Sparkie, the Arizona State Sun Devil. I understand that Sparkie was done by a Disney animator, but I don't know when he was born. He easily goes back to the early seventies. That brings up another interesting point. I wonder if said Arizona team gets this kind of harassement? As well as the pro hockey team, and any other team that has such a name/mascot? -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
You may think that is a small issue, but when you are trying to create market awareness you need a mascot that evokes simplicity and goodwill, not one that evokes evil and deception. ... and here I thought that giving software away for free to everyone in the world was a form of altruism and goodwill. Just goes to show you how out of touch with reality I am ... I've really got to think more cynically, and remember that iconic figureheads speak louder than action ... -lance ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
I wonder if the FreeBSD daemon could be considered a god... because he can make world. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot(That
--- Jan Muenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may think that is a small issue, but when you are trying to create market awareness you need a mascot that evokes simplicity and goodwill, not one that evokes evil and deception. Man... either you're a (moderately funny) troll or *you're* the one with some serious issues here. It's a daemon, which is not a demon and surely not a devil. http://www.mckusick.com/beastie/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:07:41 +0200, Ole Guldberg Jensen wrote Edward Hendrie wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html From a marketing perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD because they have religious objections to a product that is promoted by a devil. Hi, Why should FreeBSD be responsible for the downfalls of the various religious backgrounds, of which you speak. Cheers, - Noah Why should The FreeBSD project be interested in users ? It is not a commerial project. I think the FreeBSD folks are interested in making a cool unix-like operating system, not much else. Ole -- DarwinPorts committer, www.opendarwin.org/~olegb ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re Devil Mascot
I don't think there is much to worry about on that front. Please read below and you will understand. http://bonehead.oddballs.com/todays_bonehead.html TODAY WE BESTOW SIX BONEHEAD AWARDS Not Screwed Up Enough. The Stupids Try To Have A Baby Bonehead award one goes to a German couple who, after 8 frustrating years of failing to have a baby, sought help from the University Clinic of Lubek only to be told that they must have sex if they want to have a baby. According to a University spokesperson, When we asked them how often they had had sex, they looked blank, and said: 'What do you mean?'. We are not talking retarded people here, the spokesperson continued, but a couple who were brought up in a religious environment who were simply unaware, after eight years of marriage, of the physical requirements necessary to procreate. The couple, also smiling for the first time, are now being given appropriate counseling ... and a high speed Internet connection. The University, amazed to have found a man who actually thinks only with his brain, is undertaking a study to see if there are other such couples. Charlotte Observer (Charlotte, North Carolina) 3-Jun-04 http://bonehead.oddballs.com/todays_bonehead.html Later, Leon A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Sir Winston Churchill ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
Peter Pauly wrote: I wonder if the FreeBSD daemon could be considered a god... because he can make world. Heh, now that's a nice one. Interesting discussion by the way, but I wonder, why are we going to reply to an obvious troll like that? Just let the man be, and we might as well spend time helping people who really need it, rather then wasting it to persons like him. Just my two cents here, Jorn ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Devil Mascot
On Monday 14 June 2004 04:09 pm, Jorn Argelo wrote: Peter Pauly wrote: I wonder if the FreeBSD daemon could be considered a god... because he can make world. Heh, now that's a nice one. Interesting discussion by the way, but I wonder, why are we going to reply to an obvious troll like that? Just let the man be, and we might as well spend time helping people who really need it, rather then wasting it to persons like him. I think that the occasional sideshow is nice *laffs* -- Best regards, Chris ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
