Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 1:07 PM, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 09:03:58 +0100, Sabine Baer bae...@t-online.de wrote: Well, it is, indeed. Me I am very glad beeing able to do eg linux-opera -display :0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhmf4l4OxNw since I live in a Windows free zone at home. Well, there's always youtube-dl -a for that. Just for YT I don't need Flash. That's true. I love youtube-dl too, as it helps me keep a local .flv copy, even for videos that have been removed for one reason or another. However, there are other video sites like dailymotion. What downloader do you use for these? And remember, youtube-dl is a hack. It can break anytime YT changes its embedding. I wished YouTube would switch to HTML5, or at least added this as an option. They do http://www.youtube.com/html5 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Updating ports was Flash viewer for FBSD
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 14:29:57 +0700 Pongthep Kulkrisada ptkris...@gmail.com articulated: Programs like portmaster can be really helpful here. Yes, it is what I am expecting. Thank you. I read the handbook. There are 2 choices i.e. portmanager and portmaster. I am now thinking which one is better. I must also check time and disk space required to build all these ports. Personally, I prefer portmanager. I would suggest that you empty your /usr/ports/distfiles directory entirely. If you have java installed, download the source files needed to build it and place them in the that directory. Update your entire ports tree and then run: portmanager -u -l -y -f That will rebuild your entire ports system in the correct order. Depending on the speed of your system and number of ports installed, that might take a day, give or take a few hours. I would shutdown 'X' prior to doing the update also. When done, reboot and all should be well. I have done it before with great success. BTW, you might also want to set: BATCH=yes sans quotation marks in your /etc/make.conf file. It will eliminate those pesky pop-up messages concerning configuring the port(s). -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com |=== |=== |=== |=== | If you lose a son you can always get another, but there's only one Maltese Falcon. Sidney Greenstreet, The Maltese Falcon ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Updating ports was Flash viewer for FBSD
Polytropon writes: I am now thinking which one is better. I have used portupgrade / portinstall in the past, but I think portmaster really is the way to go, at least for me, As far as I can tell, for 90-95% of tasks they're indistinguishable. If (generic) you have special needs - ugdating a large user base, extensive local patches, or a non-standard set of dependencies - then you're going to have to do the research and test them for yourself. And instructions for using portmaster are increasingly common in /usr/ports/UPDATING. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 04:49:16AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: [SNAFU] That's the situation with Flash. And as I have experienced it, I can honestly say that I'm fine without Flash. I may review my opinion, if given some reason to do so. But as it has already been mentioned, that's a very individual decision, based upon likes and dislikes. Well, it is, indeed. Me I am very glad beeing able to do eg linux-opera -display :0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhmf4l4OxNw since I live in a Windows free zone at home. It might be a stupid example and not at all the aim of all those noble guys working on FreeBSD but, again, I am very glad they did. It might be a kind of 'Splendid Isolation' refusing things the rest of the world uses and it has its very merits but sometimes it's not bad to be part of the rest of the world. Just my 2 EURct. Sabine ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 09:03:58 +0100, Sabine Baer bae...@t-online.de wrote: Well, it is, indeed. Me I am very glad beeing able to do eg linux-opera -display :0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhmf4l4OxNw since I live in a Windows free zone at home. Well, there's always youtube-dl -a for that. Just for YT I don't need Flash. The need, to illustrate that, is often nothing more than a useless barrier built by people who don't seem to know better. As I said before, most things that Flash can do could be achieved with standardized (!) and free means. And often, Flash is (ab)used to do idiotic things like simply providing animated buttons. It might be a stupid example and not at all the aim of all those noble guys working on FreeBSD but, again, I am very glad they did. I am too, and I'd like to emphasize this. Without the work done to make Flash availabe on FreeBSD, I would never know how annoying it can be. If a web designer abuses (!) Flash to raise a barrier, to make content unavailable, then I am surely not his target audience. That's his decision, and I accept it. (By the way, barrier-free web and thinking about how disabled people can participate on informations is something that needs an educated point of view and some intelligence to consider it. Still, there are web developers who can't provide this, and so can't their work.) It might be a kind of 'Splendid Isolation' refusing things the rest of the world uses and it has its very merits but sometimes it's not bad to be part of the rest of the world. Erm, I don't consider rest of the world to be a reason for my decisions; in fact, they are of technical and usage nature. Just because everyone else jumps out of the window doesn't create a need for me to jump out of the window myself. :-) Honestly: If Flash would be something standardized, freely available and acceptably performant, in best case coming integrated with the browser (including an option to switch it off) - just like images are processed by Opera - then I wouldn't do what I do now: I just ignore it. With the upcoming HTML 5 standard, there's even a chance that Flash will be ignored by the rest of the world sooner or later. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 08:46:16 -, Graham Bentley ad...@cpcnw.co.uk wrote: Points very well made. In fact shouldn't we be campaigning against such closed source perversion of our Open Standards Internet, not complaining that one company doesn't make a media content viewer for us? In fact, if Adobe wishes NOT to provide a Flash product for the FreeBSD platform, it absolute is their right to do so. They control the format (that's why I woulnd't call Flash a standard, or an open product). On the other hand, Adobe's product is so popular because of its usage. They made successful marketing so that content providers came to the tought: This is a good product, and I need it., no matter if this really was the case. Please don't get me wrong: I don't see anything particularly bad in Flash itself, it is a quite closed product, as many others. There may even be places where it is useful, but as you will agree, animated buttons to navigate the content within a web page is *not* such place. The right that I admitted Adobe to have - to exclude me from using their techology - continues to the right of the web developer to provide content that is only viewable on an arbitrary subset of existing OS platforms. Let me come back to my stupid JPG image viewer plugin. Why is Flash so complicated? Why does a plugin that does so very little (measured in how it is actually used, as I said, for displaying video or animating buttons) seem to hook into the system and even its kernel so deeply that it's really hard work to make it run on an unsupported platform? Imagine that JPG images could only be viewed on x86-64 with 2.5GHz and more. That would be idiotic. And of course, there's always the race after the most recent version of the JPG plugin, because every year there will be a new, incompatible format. But because Flash is considered modern technology, it is heavily employed to create the stuff that is consumed on the Internet most: Games (and the thing with P and three further letters). And within a free and environment such as the Internet, that what is required by the masses will be produced, even if the masses wish to stick with proprietary and dangerous stuff. This is exactly why Stallman harks on about freedoms etc it almost feels pathetic; Please Mr Adobe, we poor FreeBSD users don't have a flash viewer, please make one for us too bleat bleat If they don't want to make one, there's no way to convince them. Since the majority of free and standardized operating systems isn't oriented at market share, there is no reason for Adobe to follow a crying Please! :-) The only content I 'miss' is occasional utube vids ; No probs. Download as .flv and play with mplayer. That's right - and works perfectly. Even for stand-alone Flash games, there's the swfplayer program. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
Pongthep Kulkrisada ptkris...@gmail.com wrote: * Warren Block (wbl...@wonkity.com) wrote: When you upgrade from 7.x to 8.x, it's necessary to rebuild *all* ports. ... Some people only use console, they should rebuild all ports relating to their work. They do not have to rebuild KDE or GNOME, for example. Instructions like rebuild *all* ports mean rebuild *all* ports that you have installed on your system. No one expects you to build every port in the tree, unless your system is pointyhat :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 23:02:36 -, Graham Bentley ad...@cpcnw.co.uk wrote: It looks very bad for browsing web without flash viewer. I think it looks great - no ads !!! Hurray !!! I may politely add that exactly this is the reason I removed a working Flash support from my system. I rather like to see empty plug-in content boxes instead of being annoyed by Flash stuff that is mainly used for advertising. Have you noticed that Flash has taken the place of animated GIFs, adding sound and providing nothing that couldn't be done using existing standards? I'm sure you have. A growing part of today's web designers seem to have accepted Flash as a replacement for valid HTML, and even for invalid HTML. Have you ever heared of a modern web browser that forces you to install, let's say, a plugin for viewing JPG images, and this plugin is only available for an arbitrary chosen subset of operating systems, and loaded with patents and other cripple-stuff? And it forces you to have an up-to-date computer, of course, with an expensive OS (free OSes are out of scope already). And all the clever web designers now replace their working sites with JPG - even the text is given as a JPG image. And it is assumed that you have the plugin installed. And of course, there's a new version of the plugin every year. All this just to view a JPG image. Could you imagine such a stupid situation? It's so idiotic, but it's the reality. That's the situation with Flash. And as I have experienced it, I can honestly say that I'm fine without Flash. I may review my opinion, if given some reason to do so. But as it has already been mentioned, that's a very individual decision, based upon likes and dislikes. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... Points very well made. In fact shouldn't we be campaigning against such closed source perversion of our Open Standards Internet, not complaining that one company doesn't make a media content viewer for us? This is exactly why Stallman harks on about freedoms etc it almost feels pathetic; Please Mr Adobe, we poor FreeBSD users don't have a flash viewer, please make one for us too bleat bleat The only content I 'miss' is occasional utube vids ; No probs. Download as .flv and play with mplayer. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote: Adobe, a commercial entity, obviously feels that the cost of supporting the FreeBSD community is not a financially prudent business venture. Well, that's their decision, of course. However, Linux and FreeBSD aren't so far apart either, at least on the API level. After all, they ARE more or less POSIX systems. It shouldn't be too hard for Adobe to tweak their Linux or Solaris Flash port so that it compiles cleanly on FreeBSD too. How complicated could that be? We're adapting software in /usr/ports all the time, and that's no black magic either. IIRC, there was a thread a while ago about what Adobe expects of FreeBSD so that they can port their Flash player -- or was that NVIDIA? I don't remember exactly what they needed though... Maybe something about memory mapping? Hmmm... In the finally analysis, it is their product to do with as they see fit, unless the socialist EC starts to stick their fascist nose into someone else's business. Adobe never stated that they would support FreeBSD; at least as far as I can tell. That would sort of eliminate any pseudo Breach of Contract accusation against them. If they provided an obscure product, or a product for which alternatives existed, EC wouldn't care. But with near-monopoly of an increasingly ubiquitous format comes great responsibility. In the eyes of the EC, a company shouldn't be allowed to abuse their monopolistic power to lock out competitors. IMHO, they are quite right on this point, though you are free to disagree. ;-) -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 09:03:58 +0100, Sabine Baer bae...@t-online.de wrote: Well, it is, indeed. Me I am very glad beeing able to do eg linux-opera -display :0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhmf4l4OxNw since I live in a Windows free zone at home. Well, there's always youtube-dl -a for that. Just for YT I don't need Flash. That's true. I love youtube-dl too, as it helps me keep a local .flv copy, even for videos that have been removed for one reason or another. However, there are other video sites like dailymotion. What downloader do you use for these? And remember, youtube-dl is a hack. It can break anytime YT changes its embedding. I wished YouTube would switch to HTML5, or at least added this as an option. The need, to illustrate that, is often nothing more than a useless barrier built by people who don't seem to know better. As I said before, most things that Flash can do could be achieved with standardized (!) and free means. And often, Flash is (ab)used to do idiotic things like simply providing animated buttons. I've talked with the IT department of a company recently who had to switch from perfectly usable barrier-less HTML to Flash. Actually, the IT guys didn't want to, but their management was adamant. The main reason wasn't buttons or little animations, but something much more mundane: the graphics design company they hired to create their new corporate identity insisted that the only way to get a 100% pixel-precise layout was with Flash... and management fell for it. Basically, they wanted to duplicate their glossy brochures 1:1, and didn't care about reduced usability and accessibility. Incredibly silly move, but their company, their decision. With the upcoming HTML 5 standard, there's even a chance that Flash will be ignored by the rest of the world sooner or later. HTML 5 isn't the problem, that will be easy to implement. It's about picking the right video codec. There's no high quality codec available that is both ubiquitous in hardware, and unencumbered by patents. Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: If they don't want to make one, there's no way to convince them. Since the majority of free and standardized operating systems isn't oriented at market share, there is no reason for Adobe to follow a crying Please! :-) There is only one way to convince them: through legislation! You may live in a world of bliss where you can access your online bank via standardized HTML, where you can fill in your IRS (or equivalent) forms, various applications etc. without Flash, but many parts of the world are a lot more dependent on Flash. Of course, one can always send complaints to those banks and public services who use Flash-only interfaces, but those complaints usually get ignored and thrown in the grey dumpster. If you try to escalate your complaint, the letter goes from the grey into the red dumpster, but you're still effectively locked out. That's the problem with near-monopolies of proprietary formats: sometimes you can't escape them and have to resort to tricks (like emulations etc...) to make them work. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 12:07:25 +0100, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: That's true. I love youtube-dl too, as it helps me keep a local .flv copy, even for videos that have been removed for one reason or another. A very useful feature, especially for offline operations. However, there are other video sites like dailymotion. What downloader do you use for these? None, because I don't know / need other sites that steal my time by providing useless videos. :-) And remember, youtube-dl is a hack. It can break anytime YT changes its embedding. That's what make update is used for. :-) I wished YouTube would switch to HTML5, or at least added this as an option. This may happen in the future. YT is one of the main promoters for Flash as a means to provide video contents. I've talked with the IT department of a company recently who had to switch from perfectly usable barrier-less HTML to Flash. The IT department? Shouldn't this be the responsibility of the department providing the content to be published on the web? Actually, the IT guys didn't want to, but their management was adamant. Oh yeah, management. Market share. All new. Revolutionary. Leverage. I could go on for hours. :-) The main reason wasn't buttons or little animations, but something much more mundane: the graphics design company they hired to create their new corporate identity insisted that the only way to get a 100% pixel-precise layout was with Flash... and management fell for it. If I hear pixel precise... Why don't they provide the content COMPLETELY as PNG images without compression? That would be really 1:1. Basically, they wanted to duplicate their glossy brochures 1:1, and didn't care about reduced usability and accessibility. In this case, my opinion would be: If they don't care, than I don't care supporting them by investing attention on them. They don't deserve it. Incredibly silly move, but their company, their decision. Their right. If they want to lose customers (idea: the more people you exclude from the content, the more potential customers you lose). But I agree: Absolutely idiotic. Let's see how much fun they will have when Adobe changes something in their Flash format - then everything needs to be re-done. :-) HTML 5 isn't the problem, that will be easy to implement. It's about picking the right video codec. There's no high quality codec available that is both ubiquitous in hardware, and unencumbered by patents. That's true. I didn't want to hide that. A free, open and standardized video codec, capable of carrying video and audio information and providing streaming the content, while being compatible with HTML, and being able to be used in every country, would be a good solution. It HAS to be supported out of the box, at least in terms of web browsers (like the thing inside the browser that displays JPG images, to follow my example). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 12:15:37 +0100, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: If they don't want to make one, there's no way to convince them. Since the majority of free and standardized operating systems isn't oriented at market share, there is no reason for Adobe to follow a crying Please! :-) There is only one way to convince them: through legislation! Legislation won't influence economy - it's the other way round. Sadly. On a free market, the masses dictate what will happen. And if the masses don't WANT to be free, their freedom will be taken off them. Freedom of choice? No, you better go with what we provide you, because that's the best for you. And now shut up and buy our crap! :-) You may live in a world of bliss where you can access your online bank via standardized HTML, where you can fill in your IRS (or equivalent) forms, various applications etc. without Flash, but many parts of the world are a lot more dependent on Flash. In the context you've mentioned, I would have thought of Java in the first place, not Flash. And I know that there are whole branches of economy that are trapped in the Flash problem - once you're in, you're convinced that you can't get out. (There are other problems like this.) As a pure private person, I can be lucky not to depend on Flash, and not have to be told that I'm using the wrong operating system. I know that not everyone is that lucky. Of course, one can always send complaints to those banks and public services who use Flash-only interfaces, but those complaints usually get ignored and thrown in the grey dumpster. If you try to escalate your complaint, the letter goes from the grey into the red dumpster, but you're still effectively locked out. Yes. That's the problem with near-monopolies of proprietary formats: sometimes you can't escape them and have to resort to tricks (like emulations etc...) to make them work. I agree, but I'd like to emphasize that those tricks are always a good chance for migration, such as I have predicted, seen, experienced and done it with OpenOffice. The growing interest in heterogenous IT environments where interoperability is important will help to make the decision carriers aware of how to decide: Go with open standards and continue work, or stick with proprietary and closed products and have a surprise from time to time (such as We can't open our documents anymore! or This has to be rewritten!) If you work with standards, then interoperability, compatibility and transition is no big deal. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 12:14:15PM +0700, Pongthep Kulkrisada wrote: Hi all, I have been using FBSD since 5.4 until now 8.0. Mostly, I use it as a server and coding C (as my hobby). All the time I stay in console without fancy of any GUI. For GUI applications, I mostly use Windows. Now I want to use only FBSD for web browsing and don't want to use Windows. I installed FBSD 7.1 with KDE 3.5 from CD. Then I csup(ed) and buildworld to FBSD 7.2 and then finally FBSD 8.0 while remaining KDE unchanged. I use opera-10.10 for web browsing. The problem is that ``flash viewer'' is not installed. I don't know whether someone has said it already. Whenever you have a problem look first in the Handbook to see whether the issue is addressed there. Concerning the flash viewer: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html Harald ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Mar 5, 2010, at 11:35 PM, Pongthep Kulkrisada wrote: * Warren Block (wbl...@wonkity.com) wrote: When you upgrade from 7.x to 8.x, it's necessary to rebuild *all* ports. Thanks for your suggestion, but it does not seem likely. All operating systems can always distinguish the system and packages. For instance, gcc is tightly coupled with the system, it will be upgraded automatically while upgrading the system. Some people only use console, they should rebuild all ports relating to their work. They do not have to rebuild KDE or GNOME, for example. I myself, after upgrading the system, I always rebuild MOST of textual ports like vim, fetchmail, apache, etc and all ports required by them. For GUI application, I keep updating ONLY web browser because the old version is usually prone to vulnerability issues. If it is not enough, please tell me. :-) Yes, it's not enough. When you upgrade the base OS to a new major version (ie, going from 7.x to 8.x), the system libraries get bumped to a new version, but any libraries coming from ports are still linked against the older version of the frameworks. If you don't touch anything, backwards compatibility for 7.x will continue to work fine, but as soon as you start installing something new or upgrade any port, you run into the situation where executables are linked against two different versions of libc.so (etc) and they break. For all practical purposes, if you upgrade to a new major version, then you must rebuild all installed ports. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
Polytropon writes: And remember, youtube-dl is a hack. It can break anytime YT changes its embedding. That's what make update is used for. :-) More importantly, it's about the author (and maintainer, if they're different) fixing things promptly after a change, My experience has been 2-3 days. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
-STABLE vs security branches, was: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Mar 6, 2010, at 1:57 AM, Pongthep Kulkrisada wrote: So your system is approx. 4 months old, despite you cvsup-ping? I don't know what do you mean. Normally, FBSD issues new STABLE RELEASE once a year (approx). Whenever new release or new branch is available, I shall do either wget iso images, or cvsup/csup and buildworld. The time between RELEASEs, there are patches. But FBSD teams stated that those patches are not well tested comparing to RELEASE. So I do not update the system until new STABLE RELEASE is available again. Things going into -CURRENT may not be well tested, but anything being merged back to -STABLE ought to be. Humans make mistakes, but I can't recall more than two or maybe three significant issues over a decade tracking -STABLE, and these were fixed in a matter of hours. If you do care about this level of precision, you should be building to a test platform and then running sanity checks for whatever your machines do before upgrading production boxes, anyway. Beyond that, however, you ought to consider tracking the security branch, ie, RELENG_8_0, rather than 8-STABLE aka RELENG_8, as the former does include recommended changes like security bugfixes, but avoids merging in anything which has not been well tested. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
Chuck Swiger writes: For all practical purposes, if you upgrade to a new major version, then you must rebuild all installed ports. And if you have the time and knowledge to not have to do this ... you're probably not involved in the discussion to begin with. :-) Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote: And remember, youtube-dl is a hack. It can break anytime YT changes its embedding. That's what make update is used for. :-) More importantly, it's about the author (and maintainer, if they're different) fixing things promptly after a change, My experience has been 2-3 days. Which is pretty good... esp. considering that some ports take months or more to get updated, esp. when security concerns pop up (*cough* java/jdk16 *cough*) ;-) But the point is, that even the author is no magician: should YT decide to switch to a completely different scheme, reverse- engineering that could prove very hard and up to impossible. We're lucky to have youtube-dl, and I hope author and maintainer will keep updating it as often as possible, as they do now. Robert Huff -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On 3/6/10, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 09:03:58 +0100, Sabine Baer bae...@t-online.de wrote: Well, it is, indeed. Me I am very glad beeing able to do eg linux-opera -display :0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhmf4l4OxNw since I live in a Windows free zone at home. Well, there's always youtube-dl -a for that. Just for YT I don't need Flash. That's true. I love youtube-dl too, as it helps me keep a local .flv copy, even for videos that have been removed for one reason or another. However, there are other video sites like dailymotion. What downloader do you use for these? clive, and it can pass url directly to mplayer, so it works with lynx and elinks too. (vlc and xine should also work ...) clive also allow to pick quality of video. And remember, youtube-dl is a hack. It can break anytime YT changes its embedding. I wished YouTube would switch to HTML5, or at least added this as an option. The need, to illustrate that, is often nothing more than a useless barrier built by people who don't seem to know better. As I said before, most things that Flash can do could be achieved with standardized (!) and free means. And often, Flash is (ab)used to do idiotic things like simply providing animated buttons. I've talked with the IT department of a company recently who had to switch from perfectly usable barrier-less HTML to Flash. Actually, the IT guys didn't want to, but their management was adamant. The main reason wasn't buttons or little animations, but something much more mundane: the graphics design company they hired to create their new corporate identity insisted that the only way to get a 100% pixel-precise layout was with Flash... and management fell for it. Basically, they wanted to duplicate their glossy brochures 1:1, and didn't care about reduced usability and accessibility. Incredibly silly move, but their company, their decision. With the upcoming HTML 5 standard, there's even a chance that Flash will be ignored by the rest of the world sooner or later. HTML 5 isn't the problem, that will be easy to implement. It's about picking the right video codec. There's no high quality codec available that is both ubiquitous in hardware, and unencumbered by patents. Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 1:07 PM, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: And remember, youtube-dl is a hack. It can break anytime YT changes its embedding. I wished YouTube would switch to HTML5, or at least added this as an option. Actually this option exists http://www.youtube.com/html5 The problem is Opera and Firefox do not support h.264 decoding but you can use Chromium for that. http://wiki.freebsd.org/Chromium http://code.google.com/p/chromium-freebsd8/ It would be nice if Firefox used the plugin mechanism to do the decoding. With something like ffmpeg there would be no problem. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Updating ports was Flash viewer for FBSD
* Chuck Swiger (cswi...@mac.com) wrote: Yes, it's not enough. When you upgrade the base OS to a new major version (ie, going from 7.x to 8.x), the system libraries get bumped to a new version, but any libraries coming from ports are still linked against the older version of the frameworks. If you don't touch anything, backwards compatibility for 7.x will continue to work fine, but as soon as you start installing something new or upgrade any port, you run into the situation where executables are linked against two different versions of libc.so (etc) and they break. For all practical purposes, if you upgrade to a new major version, then you must rebuild all installed ports. Thank you for your suggestions. I should mention that recently ``cdrecord'' is broken in 8.0. It ran pretty well in 7.2. After I updated the ports and rebuilt, it works fine. But it takes very long time to rebuild all ports. Main problem is KDE, big big ports. Okay, I shall do it, when I have time. Things going into -CURRENT may not be well tested, but anything being merged back to -STABLE ought to be. Humans make mistakes, but I can't recall more than two or maybe three significant issues over a decade tracking -STABLE, and these were fixed in a matter of hours. If you do care about this level of precision, you should be building to a test platform and then running sanity checks for whatever your machines do before upgrading production boxes, anyway. Beyond that, however, you ought to consider tracking the security branch, ie, RELENG_8_0, rather than 8-STABLE aka RELENG_8, as the former does include recommended changes like security bugfixes, but avoids merging in anything which has not been well tested. I understand what you said. But I always have no time to do so. Normally, I concentrate on my work rather than tracking new patches. * Robert Huff (roberth...@rcn.com) wrote: Chuck Swiger writes: And if you have the time and knowledge to not have to do this ... you're probably not involved in the discussion to begin with. :-) I upgrade ALL FREQUENT used ports and ALL related libraries required by them. Excluding GUI stuffs. When I want to update *ALL* these kinds of things (2-3 years once), I wget iso images, in stead of cvsup/csup. I always do this way since 5.4 without any problems excepted ``cdrecord'' as mentioned earlier. Thanks, Pongthep ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Updating ports was Flash viewer for FBSD
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 11:30:04 +0700, Pongthep Kulkrisada ptkris...@gmail.com wrote: But it takes very long time to rebuild all ports. Main problem is KDE, big big ports. Okay, I shall do it, when I have time. You can consider using pkgadd -r to install binary packages. Those are quite synchon with the ports tree (as they are centrally built from the ports tree). I understand what you said. But I always have no time to do so. Normally, I concentrate on my work rather than tracking new patches. What about using freebsd-update? It delivers patches in binary form for the OS, so you don't need to make world and kernel, and if you're following the 8.x-RELEASE-p track, you don't have to recompile your whole software ports - as it has been mentioned, this is only needed if you update the major version number (e. g. 7.2 - 8.0). I upgrade ALL FREQUENT used ports and ALL related libraries required by them. Programs like portmaster can be really helpful here. Excluding GUI stuffs. Oh yes, the joy if you want to have a german OpenOffice version, where you could run pkg_add -r de-openoffice in the past... :-) I know what you mean, I try to avoid compile orgies whenever possible, at least on my home system. On servers which usually don't have GUI stuff, but services that need updates often due to security considerations, it's not a big deal.) When I want to update *ALL* these kinds of things (2-3 years once), I wget iso images, in stead of cvsup/csup. The ISO images are tied to a specific OS version, and they can be used with it without problems. You can run into trouble when upgrading the OS, and then try to install software from a CD that expects another OS version. Using pkg_add -r offers the same comfortability as installing software from local CD or DVD, but it's usually up to date and fits better to the ports tree - which is useful when you install software both from source and from binaries. I always do this way since 5.4 without any problems excepted ``cdrecord'' as mentioned earlier. Which has been explained. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 09:25:41AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 09:03:58 +0100, Sabine Baer bae...@t-online.de wrote: Well, it is, indeed. Me I am very glad beeing able to do eg linux-opera -display :0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhmf4l4OxNw since I live in a Windows free zone at home. Well, there's always youtube-dl -a for that. Just for YT I don't need Flash. The need, to illustrate that, is often nothing more than a useless barrier built by people who don't seem to know better. OK, I really didn't know youtube_dl (and clive someone mentioned in the thread). So, thanks a lot. I youtube-dl-ed my puff pastry examle. It took me 5 minutes and 11.69M space on diks but then I was able to look at it using mplayer. Fine. Same with clive. Fine too. [...] If a web designer abuses (!) Flash to raise a barrier, to make content unavailable, then I am surely not his target audience. That's his decision, and I accept it. (By the way, barrier-free web and thinking about how disabled people can participate on informations is something that needs an educated point of view and some intelligence to consider it. Still, there are web developers who can't provide this, and so can't their work.) Yes, that's all very true. I remember, when I had linux-fc4 installed and flashplugin7, I tried to look at a video on the site http://www.hr-online.de. The only result was you haven't the latest version of Adobe's Flash Player. I wrote an email to them and got an answer (that's remarkable, not 'normal', I wrote 2 complaints about accessibility to given contact addresses at European community sites and didn't get any answer) but it wasn't helpful. Well, this site and http://news.bbc.co.uk as well are barrier-free so I can use them with lynx only and the videos are a surplus. But I am in the target audience of www.hr-online.de at least. BTW, neither clive nor youtube-dl (sic!) can download a video from those sites. Of course, it is the fault of the 'web designers' ignoring those who deny using 'quasi standard OS' and 'quasi standard applications'. But I'm tired of sitting in front of my monitor and thinking 'if they don't want me to look at their content, it's their misfortune'. Sabine -- Nun hat Client B ein überaus schlaues Tool laufen, welches augen- blicklich Einbruch! Zonenalarm! Hülfäää!!! schreit, was ziemlich blöde ist, ... (TOT in TOS) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 07:29:48 +0100, Sabine Baer bae...@t-online.de wrote: OK, I really didn't know youtube_dl (and clive someone mentioned in the thread). So, thanks a lot. I youtube-dl-ed my puff pastry examle. It took me 5 minutes and 11.69M space on diks but then I was able to look at it using mplayer. Fine. Same with clive. Fine too. The option youtube-dl -a is fine, too, because it creates an AVI file on the fly, so you can even share downloaded videos with persons who don't have the luck of being able to use mplayer (with its ability to play every format). It's even possible to combine youtube-dl and mplayer in a way that playing the video starts along with the download, and because the download is linear (to the video itself), you can watch while downloading (thanks to mplayer being able to play incomplete video files), even fullscreen is possible. I remember, when I had linux-fc4 installed and flashplugin7, I tried to look at a video on the site http://www.hr-online.de. The only result was you haven't the latest version of Adobe's Flash Player. I wrote an email to them and got an answer (that's remarkable, not 'normal', I wrote 2 complaints about accessibility to given contact addresses at European community sites and didn't get any answer) but it wasn't helpful. Yes, the latest version, a common problem. What a luck that things like HTML are standard; just imagine a message like This page is optimized for HTML 8. You currently have HTML 7 installed. The page cannot be displayed at all. :-) That's the difference between standards and what you called quasi standards (which are no standards at all, in my opinion). Well, this site and http://news.bbc.co.uk as well are barrier-free so I can use them with lynx only and the videos are a surplus. Personally, I don't have much fun viewing pages in lynx, but it is an excellent validator to find out how, for example, blind persons see (in the meaning of content reception, of course) web pages. On very modern and optimized web pages, they don't see anything. But I am in the target audience of www.hr-online.de at least. [...] But I'm tired of sitting in front of my monitor and thinking 'if they don't want me to look at their content, it's their misfortune'. The keyword here is target audience. If you consider yourself to be in the target audience of a certain service, you need to fulfill requirements to participate on this service, e. g. having a driving license in order to be part of the motorized traffic. And if HR-online requires you to run the right OS and the right programs, then you don't have much choice. So if the usage of a certain family of formats intendedly excludes users of many operating systems... Furtunately, Flash is quite usable on FreeBSD, allthough there are more than one form to run it (linux binary, OpenSolaris in a VM, Windows version in wine). So there usually are ways to see the content that is not intended for us. :-) And I may add that I am thankful to the developers who invest their time in order to provide an ongoing support for Flash. So maybe it always lasts some time until a FreeBSD based system is able to run the lastest Flash stuff, but finally it's possible. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Updating ports was Flash viewer for FBSD
Hi Polytropon, Firstly, thanks for your suggestion. * Polytropon (free...@edvax.de) wrote: You can consider using pkgadd -r to install binary packages. Those are quite synchon with the ports tree (as they are centrally built from the ports tree). I checked /var/db/pkg; I have 464 ports installed on my system (including X). I would probably not do so. What about using freebsd-update? It delivers patches in binary form for the OS, so you don't need to make world and kernel, and if you're following the 8.x-RELEASE-p track, you don't have to recompile your whole software ports - as it has been mentioned, this is only needed if you update the major version number (e. g. 7.2 - 8.0). Once I used binary upgrade from 6.2 - 6.3. The source tree was still 6.2 while the system was 6.3. I know there are no problems with the system. But it is *untidy*, I don't want to. I upgrade ALL FREQUENT used ports and ALL related libraries required by them. Programs like portmaster can be really helpful here. Yes, it is what I am expecting. Thank you. I read the handbook. There are 2 choices i.e. portmanager and portmaster. I am now thinking which one is better. I must also check time and disk space required to build all these ports. Oh yes, the joy if you want to have a german OpenOffice version, where you could run pkg_add -r de-openoffice in the past... :-) I know what you mean, I try to avoid compile orgies whenever possible, at least on my home system. On servers which usually don't have GUI stuff, but services that need updates often due to security considerations, it's not a big deal.) I have nothing to do with Office suite. I might probably not do so, thanks. The ISO images are tied to a specific OS version, and they can be used with it without problems. You can run into trouble when upgrading the OS, and then try to install software from a CD that expects another OS version. I have never installed any softwares from CD/DVD. I install from CD only when I want to wipe out everything. And install a new fresh system. Using pkg_add -r offers the same comfortability as installing software from local CD or DVD, but it's usually up to date and fits better to the ports tree - which is useful when you install software both from source and from binaries. If I choose between packages and ports, I opt ports. As previously mentioned ``portmaster'' or ``portmanager'' should be helpful. Please give some comments, which one is better. I read from handbook; but I have never used it. I don't know so much in this area. It is system specific and not part of the standard (POSIX or SUS). Note: I'm just a hobbyist not pro. :-) Thanks, Pongthep ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Updating ports was Flash viewer for FBSD
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 14:29:57 +0700, Pongthep Kulkrisada ptkris...@gmail.com wrote: I checked /var/db/pkg; I have 464 ports installed on my system (including X). I would probably not do so. The pkg_add utility is especially useful when building a new installation from scratch, because it additionally automatically installs dependencies. For example, pkg_add -r xmms would finally even install X from precompiled binaries, which is much faster than compiling everything by hand (or even by using portmaster). But for some things, there aren't packages available, and if you need to compile something, trouble may start. Once I used binary upgrade from 6.2 - 6.3. The source tree was still 6.2 while the system was 6.3. I know there are no problems with the system. But it is *untidy*, I don't want to. In such a case, you have to use freebsd-update for the system AND c(v)sup for the sources, to keep them in sync. Some programs that you can compile from ports do rely on system sources. Yes, it is what I am expecting. Thank you. I read the handbook. There are 2 choices i.e. portmanager and portmaster. There are even more, but those two seem to be the most popular ones. I am now thinking which one is better. I have used portupgrade / portinstall in the past, but I think portmaster really is the way to go, at least for me, and for now. In /usr/ports/UPDATING, instructions on how to solve certain problems are given for portupgrade, too. It can furthermore handle creating bianry packages (-p), if you want to transfer something you've built from one system to another, as well as an option to NOT compile, but use binary packages (as pkg_add -r) instead (-P and -PP). There are other options that are powerful when processing all installed ports in an automated manner. I must also check time and disk space required to build all these ports. Those are valid considerations. Time is the less important, let the update run while you sleep, the computer won't notice that you're not infront of it. :-) I have never installed any softwares from CD/DVD. I install from CD only when I want to wipe out everything. And install a new fresh system. Okay, I misunderstood. By the way, that's my common way of doing a fresh install, too: Boot from CD, install base system, configure basic things, update sources and ports, and regarding on the usage, use freebsd-update + pkg_add or make for system and ports. If I choose between packages and ports, I opt ports. If your system is not older than a few years, I would say the same. For older systems where you just can't afford compiling everything (e. g. 24h for just kernel + world), then using precompiled binaries is much more comfortable. As previously mentioned ``portmaster'' or ``portmanager'' should be helpful. Please give some comments, which one is better. Well... portupgrade isn't bad, but I think portmaster is better, especially because it doesn't involve a huge scripting language as a dependency. And as far as I've experienced, it can do everything needed. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 6:14 AM, Pongthep Kulkrisada ptkris...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is that ``flash viewer'' is not installed. Shockwave/Adobe/Macromedia flash viewers are not shipped with FBSD CD. I'm running OpenSolaris/x86 as guest in VirtualBox on FreeBSD/amd64 for that, since Adobe provides a Flash plugin for this platform. It's not an ideal solution and pretty heavy on resources, but at least it works for the very rare occasions I absolutely need Flash support (I usually tend to avoid sites that depend exclusively on Flash anyway). It looks very bad for browsing web without flash viewer. I tried installing from ports. - opera-linuxplugins-10.10. - linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0 - f4l-0.2.1.4 (I guess it stands for ``flash for linux''.) But they do not fix the problem. Anyone who can fix this problem please point me out. Thanks, Pongthep Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
* Polytropon (free...@edvax.de) wrote:
Do you have compat7x installed?
No I don't.
If you already updated to OS 8.0,
you should update your ports tree, too, and
use the current ports.
I always csup the SELECTED port tree but not all.
Just installing isn't enough, there's some configuration work
to be done.
I don't know kinda GUI, so I don't know how to configure it.
Please point me to some tutorial.
By the way, you may be interested in checking how gnash
(a GNU based Flash implementation) or swfdec may fit
your needs.
I shall check.
Sure. Maybe the handbook can help here:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html
See 6.2.3 for detailed information.
Okay, but I don't want to install firefox.
I'm much familiar with opera esp. mouse gesturing.
The handbook says very little about Opera.
* Sabine Baer (bae...@t-online.de) wrote:
I have installed
emulators/linux_base-f10,
www/linux-opera-10.10 and
linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r45
on a 7.2 FreeBSD an can now look at and listen to flash movies on
youtube and other sites.
This seems very likely.
But I have already done exactly what you described (but on FBSD 8.0).
Still not OK. I can not even start linux-opera. For you diagnostic,
When starting from console, it complains ...
% linux-opera
shm_allow_removed is disable, set OPERA_NUM_XSHM to 0 to disable shared memory.
ERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
ERROR: ld.so: object 'libawt.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
/usr/local/share/linux-opera/bin/opera: error while loading shared libraries:
libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
%
* Robert Bonomi (bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com) wrote:
needless to say, you have to have linux emulation build int (or kdloaded)
in your kernel.
*and* the linux emulation package ( name is {mumble}-fc10, for 'Fedora Core
10' )
installed.
*then* you can install the other packages.
I have selected linux emulation since I installed it from CD.
And it is still enabled in /etc/rc.conf.
Thanks,
Pongthep
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Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On 03/05/10 12:00, Pongthep Kulkrisada wrote:
* Polytropon (free...@edvax.de) wrote:
Do you have compat7x installed?
No I don't.
If you already updated to OS 8.0,
you should update your ports tree, too, and
use the current ports.
I always csup the SELECTED port tree but not all.
Just installing isn't enough, there's some configuration work
to be done.
I don't know kinda GUI, so I don't know how to configure it.
Please point me to some tutorial.
By the way, you may be interested in checking how gnash
(a GNU based Flash implementation) or swfdec may fit
your needs.
I shall check.
Sure. Maybe the handbook can help here:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html
See 6.2.3 for detailed information.
Okay, but I don't want to install firefox.
I'm much familiar with opera esp. mouse gesturing.
The handbook says very little about Opera.
* Sabine Baer (bae...@t-online.de) wrote:
I have installed
emulators/linux_base-f10,
www/linux-opera-10.10 and
linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r45
on a 7.2 FreeBSD an can now look at and listen to flash movies on
youtube and other sites.
This seems very likely.
But I have already done exactly what you described (but on FBSD 8.0).
Still not OK. I can not even start linux-opera. For you diagnostic,
When starting from console, it complains ...
% linux-opera
HI !
I tested the process of installing firefox/opera and flash plugin.
Everything run on my system FreeBSD 8, even though I did not stress
browser plugin.
Here's all the step that I took to make the flash plugin work for
firefox and opera (basically I followed the handbook).
--- Installed /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-f10
--- kldload linux
--- mount linprocfs
--- installed /usr/ports/www/linux-f10-flashplugin10/
(--- installed /usr/ports/www/nspluginwrapper)
(--- ln -s /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
/usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/ )
(--- as normal user I executed nspluginwrapper ... etc)
--- installed ___NATIVE FREEBSD version___ of Opera [/usr/ports/www/opera]
--- installed /usr/ports/www/opera-linuxplugins/.
d
shm_allow_removed is disable, set OPERA_NUM_XSHM to 0 to disable shared memory.
ERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
ERROR: ld.so: object 'libawt.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
/usr/local/share/linux-opera/bin/opera: error while loading shared libraries:
libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
%
* Robert Bonomi (bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com) wrote:
needless to say, you have to have linux emulation build int (or kdloaded)
in your kernel.
*and* the linux emulation package ( name is {mumble}-fc10, for 'Fedora Core 10'
)
installed.
*then* you can install the other packages.
I have selected linux emulation since I installed it from CD.
And it is still enabled in /etc/rc.conf.
Thanks,
Pongthep
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Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
* daniele (gl...@live.com) wrote: HI ! I tested the process of installing firefox/opera and flash plugin. Everything run on my system FreeBSD 8, even though I did not stress browser plugin. Here's all the step that I took to make the flash plugin work for firefox and opera (basically I followed the handbook). --- Installed /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-f10 --- kldload linux --- mount linprocfs --- installed /usr/ports/www/linux-f10-flashplugin10/ (--- installed /usr/ports/www/nspluginwrapper) (--- ln -s /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/ ) (--- as normal user I executed nspluginwrapper ... etc) --- installed ___NATIVE FREEBSD version___ of Opera [/usr/ports/www/opera] --- installed /usr/ports/www/opera-linuxplugins/. Still does NOT work! I also tried deinstalling all stuffs, which were installed in the previous sessions. And then I tried installing them again as followings (excerpted from handbook). emulator/linux_base-f10 www/linux-f10-flashplugin10 www/nspluginwrapper # ln -s /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/ % nspluginwrapper -v -a -i (normal user) # mount -t linprocfs linproc /usr/compat/linux/proc www/opera (native FBSD) www/opera-linuxplugins Again, it still does NOT work! (Note that only missing from the previous session is ``kldload linux'', which was loaded at boot time.) Or the problem is that I cvsup(ed) from 7.1 to 7.2 and then csup(ed) to 8.0. Some libraries are probably not updated??? But ``make install'' success, so libraries should not be problems. I don't know. FBSD should make it simpler than this. Some Linux distros, flash plug-ins are installed in default configuration. But I shall not go back to Linux, anyway. :-) Actually, I only want to study Unix console, C language and some administrations. In GUI world, I only want to point and click. Thanks, Pongthep ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On 03/05/10 17:12, Pongthep Kulkrisada wrote: * daniele (gl...@live.com) wrote: HI ! I tested the process of installing firefox/opera and flash plugin. Everything run on my system FreeBSD 8, even though I did not stress browser plugin. Here's all the step that I took to make the flash plugin work for firefox and opera (basically I followed the handbook). --- Installed /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-f10 --- kldload linux --- mount linprocfs --- installed /usr/ports/www/linux-f10-flashplugin10/ (--- installed /usr/ports/www/nspluginwrapper) (--- ln -s /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/ ) (--- as normal user I executed nspluginwrapper ... etc) --- installed ___NATIVE FREEBSD version___ of Opera [/usr/ports/www/opera] --- installed /usr/ports/www/opera-linuxplugins/. Still does NOT work! I also tried deinstalling all stuffs, which were installed in the previous sessions. And then I tried installing them again as followings (excerpted from handbook). emulator/linux_base-f10 www/linux-f10-flashplugin10 www/nspluginwrapper # ln -s /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/ % nspluginwrapper -v -a -i (normal user) # mount -t linprocfs linproc /usr/compat/linux/proc www/opera (native FBSD) www/opera-linuxplugins Again, it still does NOT work! (Note that only missing from the previous session is ``kldload linux'', which was loaded at boot time.) Or the problem is that I cvsup(ed) from 7.1 to 7.2 and then csup(ed) to 8.0. Some libraries are probably not updated??? But ``make install'' success, so libraries should not be problems. I don't know. FBSD should make it simpler than this. Some Linux distros, flash plug-ins are installed in default configuration. But I shall not go back to Linux, anyway. :-) Actually, I only want to study Unix console, C language and some administrations. In GUI world, I only want to point and click. Thanks, Pongthep ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org hmmm... :-/ is at least now the web browser opera working ? d ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Pongthep Kulkrisada ptkris...@gmail.com wrote: Or the problem is that I cvsup(ed) from 7.1 to 7.2 and then csup(ed) to 8.0. If you csup, you update only /usr/src (or /usr/ports). Have you actually updated the system and the ports as well? FBSD should make it simpler than this. It should. But what can we do if Adobe doesn't even acknowledge our existence and refuses to provide a FreeBSD version of their Flash player? Some Linux distros, flash plug-ins are installed in default configuration. But I shall not go back to Linux, anyway. :-) Sure, Linux has a bigger market share, so they get enough love from Adobe... though I understand that Flash support for Linux/x86-64 isn't all that good either (?). Actually, I only want to study Unix console, C language and some administrations. In GUI world, I only want to point and click. As said, if all else breaks, try running OpenSolaris (or a Linux distro) as a guest OS inside VirtualBox. This way, you have the best of both worlds. Thanks, Pongthep -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
* daniele (gl...@live.com) wrote: hmmm... :-/ is at least now the web browser opera working ? Yes it is working. Thanks for your prompt response. Pongthep ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
* daniele (gl...@live.com) wrote: hmmm... :-/ is at least now the web browser opera working ? [edit]Yes, it is working but without flash. [/edit] Thanks for your prompt response. Pongthep ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
* C. P. Ghost (cpgh...@cordula.ws) wrote: If you csup, you update only /usr/src (or /usr/ports). Have you actually updated the system and the ports as well? % uname -a FreeBSD bsdhost.localdomain 8.0-STABLE FreeBSD 8.0-STABLE #0: Tue Dec 1 19:12:37 ICT 2009 r...@bsdhost.localdomain:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 But port tree is very large. I only update the followings. ports-base ports-archivers ports-audio ports-devel ports-dns ports-editors ports-emulators ports-ftp ports-graphics ports-lang ports-mail ports-misc ports-net ports-security ports-sysutils ports-www I reinstall only some ports, which I considerd important. It should. But what can we do if Adobe doesn't even acknowledge our existence and refuses to provide a FreeBSD version of their Flash player? Sad... Sure, Linux has a bigger market share, so they get enough love from Adobe... though I understand that Flash support for Linux/x86-64 isn't all that good either (?). They will tend to FreeBSD some day, much better. IMHO, the best OS is FreeBSD. The best OS with GUI is OS-X. Both are BSDs. As said, if all else breaks, try running OpenSolaris (or a Linux distro) as a guest OS inside VirtualBox. This way, you have the best of both worlds. I don't want to. Even now I have 2 OSes installed, I still hate it. In fact, 90% I boot of FreeBSD (at home). Thanks, Pongthep ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Pongthep Kulkrisada ptkris...@gmail.com wrote: * C. P. Ghost (cpgh...@cordula.ws) wrote: If you csup, you update only /usr/src (or /usr/ports). Have you actually updated the system and the ports as well? % uname -a FreeBSD bsdhost.localdomain 8.0-STABLE FreeBSD 8.0-STABLE #0: Tue Dec 1 19:12:37 ICT 2009 r...@bsdhost.localdomain:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 So your system is approx. 4 months old, despite you cvsup-ping? As said, if all else breaks, try running OpenSolaris (or a Linux distro) as a guest OS inside VirtualBox. This way, you have the best of both worlds. I don't want to. Even now I have 2 OSes installed, I still hate it. In fact, 90% I boot of FreeBSD (at home). That's understandable. I boot FreeBSD/amd64 almost exclusively too. Only when I absolutely need Flash (and I very seldom do), I fire up VirtualBox on FreeBSD with a little OpenSolaris installation. Since this OpenSolaris guest lives in a single VirtualBox disk image, it doesn't clutter up my FreeBSD system, contrary to the whole Linux compat shims and RPMs needed to run the linux flash plugin. Of course, it's all a matter of personal tastes, likes and dislikes. I'd rather have a native flash plugin for FreeBSD/amd64 too (Firefox and Opera), but this is unlikely in the near future, knowing the miserable track record of Adobe's FreeBSD support. ;-) Thanks, Pongthep Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, Pongthep Kulkrisada wrote: Or the problem is that I cvsup(ed) from 7.1 to 7.2 and then csup(ed) to 8.0. Some libraries are probably not updated??? But ``make install'' success, so libraries should not be problems. I don't know. When you upgrade from 7.x to 8.x, it's necessary to rebuild *all* ports. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 18:54:40 +0100 C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws articulated: Of course, it's all a matter of personal tastes, likes and dislikes. I'd rather have a native flash plugin for FreeBSD/amd64 too (Firefox and Opera), but this is unlikely in the near future, knowing the miserable track record of Adobe's FreeBSD support. ;-) There are dozens of utility programs available for Windows that I would love to have available on FreeBSD; however, that just is not going to happen. I have personally contacted the authors of several of these programs and have been told that they have no intention in investing countless time and money on a product that they would never be able to make a profit on. My absolute favorite password manager/generator RoboForm, said that they would probably never invest in a *.nix version. They couldn't see how they could generate a profit doing so. Plus, I was told that due to the number of 'flavors' that *.nix/BSD comes in, writing and support would be enormous. However, they said they would keep it in mind. Adobe, a commercial entity, obviously feels that the cost of supporting the FreeBSD community is not a financially prudent business venture. In the finally analysis, it is their product to do with as they see fit, unless the socialist EC starts to stick their fascist nose into someone else's business. Adobe never stated that they would support FreeBSD; at least as far as I can tell. That would sort of eliminate any pseudo Breach of Contract accusation against them. -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com |=== |=== |=== |=== | Fortune favors the lucky. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
It looks very bad for browsing web without flash viewer. I think it looks great - no ads !!! Hurray !!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Graham Bentley ad...@cpcnw.co.uk wrote: It looks very bad for browsing web without flash viewer. I think it looks great - no ads !!! Hurray !!! Bingo! If the OP wants M$-like flash support, then . . . well . . . use M$ (and its friend$). It's not really fair to complain about the admirable work of fBSD devs. Keep in mind that they volunteer their time. If fBSD (or anything else) is not suiting your needs, either fix it or go somewhere else. I'm sure the fBSD community would welcome a hack that gets m$-like flash support ;-) I find it a relief not to have those damn flash ads/nonsense flashing in front of me. FWIW - I did use gnash for a while and it wasn't too bad. Although, ny needs may not be comparable to the OP's. He really hasn't made that clear. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 23:02:36 -, Graham Bentley ad...@cpcnw.co.uk wrote: It looks very bad for browsing web without flash viewer. I think it looks great - no ads !!! Hurray !!! I may politely add that exactly this is the reason I removed a working Flash support from my system. I rather like to see empty plug-in content boxes instead of being annoyed by Flash stuff that is mainly used for advertising. Have you noticed that Flash has taken the place of animated GIFs, adding sound and providing nothing that couldn't be done using existing standards? I'm sure you have. A growing part of today's web designers seem to have accepted Flash as a replacement for valid HTML, and even for invalid HTML. Have you ever heared of a modern web browser that forces you to install, let's say, a plugin for viewing JPG images, and this plugin is only available for an arbitrary chosen subset of operating systems, and loaded with patents and other cripple-stuff? And it forces you to have an up-to-date computer, of course, with an expensive OS (free OSes are out of scope already). And all the clever web designers now replace their working sites with JPG - even the text is given as a JPG image. And it is assumed that you have the plugin installed. And of course, there's a new version of the plugin every year. All this just to view a JPG image. Could you imagine such a stupid situation? It's so idiotic, but it's the reality. That's the situation with Flash. And as I have experienced it, I can honestly say that I'm fine without Flash. I may review my opinion, if given some reason to do so. But as it has already been mentioned, that's a very individual decision, based upon likes and dislikes. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
* Warren Block (wbl...@wonkity.com) wrote: When you upgrade from 7.x to 8.x, it's necessary to rebuild *all* ports. Thanks for your suggestion, but it does not seem likely. All operating systems can always distinguish the system and packages. For instance, gcc is tightly coupled with the system, it will be upgraded automatically while upgrading the system. Some people only use console, they should rebuild all ports relating to their work. They do not have to rebuild KDE or GNOME, for example. I myself, after upgrading the system, I always rebuild MOST of textual ports like vim, fetchmail, apache, etc and all ports required by them. For GUI application, I keep updating ONLY web browser because the old version is usually prone to vulnerability issues. If it is not enough, please tell me. :-) Thanks, Pongthep ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
* daniele (gl...@live.com) wrote: Dont worry I wanted to try to help for what I can. I installed the plugin this morning and I was curious. Thank you again for your kind. It's strange though. The plugin is there. I dont know if there's a kind of log somewhere to see if it sees it. I also don't know. :-( The last option I am thinking of in this respect is this : From the opera web browser interface find the menu tools and select it then - preferences - advanced Look at the content menu. Enable plugins item must be activated and then the plug-in options must show at least this path /usr/local/lib/npapi/symlinks/linux-opera and also inform that it finds the flash plugin. let me know ! But for the moment I can not think of anything more :-/ The followings are all enabled. animated images sound in Web pages JavaScript Java plug-ins JavaScript Options... blank path Java Options... blank path Plug-in Options... Detected plug-ins are blank Plug-in path are as followings. /usr/local/share/opera/plugins/ /usr/local/lib/npapi/symlinks/opera/ /usr/local/lib/npapi/symlinks/linux-opera/ Thanks, Pongthep ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
* C. P. Ghost (cpgh...@cordula.ws) wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Pongthep Kulkrisada ptkris...@gmail.com wrote: % uname -a FreeBSD bsdhost.localdomain 8.0-STABLE FreeBSD 8.0-STABLE #0: Tue Dec 1 19:12:37 ICT 2009 r...@bsdhost.localdomain:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 So your system is approx. 4 months old, despite you cvsup-ping? I don't know what do you mean. Normally, FBSD issues new STABLE RELEASE once a year (approx). Whenever new release or new branch is available, I shall do either wget iso images, or cvsup/csup and buildworld. The time between RELEASEs, there are patches. But FBSD teams stated that those patches are not well tested comparing to RELEASE. So I do not update the system until new STABLE RELEASE is available again. That's understandable. I boot FreeBSD/amd64 almost exclusively too. Only when I absolutely need Flash (and I very seldom do), I fire up VirtualBox on FreeBSD with a little OpenSolaris installation. Since this OpenSolaris guest lives in a single VirtualBox disk image, it doesn't clutter up my FreeBSD system, contrary to the whole Linux compat shims and RPMs needed to run the linux flash plugin. I did not install VirtualBox like VM Ware. I only use dual boot FBSD and Windows. I think many times to install VM Ware. But I am too lazy to do it. ;-p 1. In my opinion UFS2 is much more superior than NTFS. I'm not quite sure if UFS2 can reside in NTFS very well. (in case Windows is a host OS, and FBSD is a guest OS.) 2. My friend also suggests me that host OS can share device drivers to guest OS. I'm not sure, anybody can confirm this? if so, we can install FBSD on any laptops and use shared drivers from host OS (Windows or OS-X). Normally I only use console. My life with FBSD is not so colorful (excepted syntax highlighting in vim editor). I also have KDE installed. But I don't use it as much as console. Whenever I need flash (not often). I use my other computer (I have 2 computers) or reboot Windows. Cheers, Pongthep ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Flash viewer for FBSD
Hi all, I have been using FBSD since 5.4 until now 8.0. Mostly, I use it as a server and coding C (as my hobby). All the time I stay in console without fancy of any GUI. For GUI applications, I mostly use Windows. Now I want to use only FBSD for web browsing and don't want to use Windows. I installed FBSD 7.1 with KDE 3.5 from CD. Then I csup(ed) and buildworld to FBSD 7.2 and then finally FBSD 8.0 while remaining KDE unchanged. I use opera-10.10 for web browsing. The problem is that ``flash viewer'' is not installed. Shockwave/Adobe/Macromedia flash viewers are not shipped with FBSD CD. It looks very bad for browsing web without flash viewer. I tried installing from ports. - opera-linuxplugins-10.10. - linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0 - f4l-0.2.1.4 (I guess it stands for ``flash for linux''.) But they do not fix the problem. Anyone who can fix this problem please point me out. Thanks, Pongthep ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 12:14:15 +0700, Pongthep Kulkrisada ptkris...@gmail.com wrote: I installed FBSD 7.1 with KDE 3.5 from CD. Then I csup(ed) and buildworld to FBSD 7.2 and then finally FBSD 8.0 while remaining KDE unchanged. Do you have compat7x installed? If you already updated to OS 8.0, you should update your ports tree, too, and use the current ports. I use opera-10.10 for web browsing. An excellent web browser. Good choice. :-) It looks very bad for browsing web without flash viewer. Sad... but with HTML 5, it may be a chance that the web world can finally say goodbye to this idiotic Flash that is mostly used by inexperienced or lazy Internet programmers (they often call theirselves that way) to make the web intendedly unaccessible... as if the web would consist of Flash only... I tried installing from ports. - opera-linuxplugins-10.10. - linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0 - f4l-0.2.1.4 (I guess it stands for ``flash for linux''.) But they do not fix the problem. Just installing isn't enough, there's some configuration work to be done. By the way, you may be interested in checking how gnash (a GNU based Flash implementation) or swfdec may fit your needs. Anyone who can fix this problem please point me out. Sure. Maybe the handbook can help here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html See 6.2.3 for detailed information. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Flash viewer for FBSD
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 12:14:15PM +0700, Pongthep Kulkrisada wrote: [...] I use opera-10.10 for web browsing. It looks very bad for browsing web without flash viewer. I tried installing from ports. - opera-linuxplugins-10.10. - linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0 - f4l-0.2.1.4 (I guess it stands for ``flash for linux''.) But they do not fix the problem. Anyone who can fix this problem please point me out. I have installed emulators/linux_base-f10, www/linux-opera-10.10 and linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r45 on a 7.2 FreeBSD an can now look at and listen to flash movies on youtube and other sites. Sabine -- /\ \ / ASCII ribbon campaign X against HTML in mail and news / \ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
