Re: GPUs on FBSD?

2009-11-22 Thread Frank Shute
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 09:06:28AM -0500, Robert Huff wrote:
>
> 
> usleepl...@gmail.com writes:
> 
> >  The talk/announcement on the Nvidia forum is about a native video
> >  driver for amd64 i believe. A lot of people are waiting for this
> >  ( currently there is only Nvidia support for i386 ).
> 
>   I do not believe this is correct.  _As I understand it_ there
> are (currently) two options:
> 
>   1) "nv" driver; written by nVidia, but does not support
>   recent (last N generations) cards, works only for i386,
>   and does not support 100% of 3d functions.  Breakage
>   fixed, but no new features added.

You've got things a bit confused.

The x11-drivers/xf86-video-nv driver is open source and works on i386
and amd64. It doesn't support any 3d stuff AFAIK.

The x11/nvidia-driver is the one written by nvidia which only works on
i386 and supports 3d, compiz etc.

>   2) "noveau" driver; written by third parties, works for i386
>   and amd64 (maybe for others).  For what works, see the
>   (hopefully outdated) web page.

That should be spelt "nouveau" otherwise correct. In ports as:
x11-drivers/xf86-video-nouveau. The wiki:

http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/

> 
>   Under development:
> 
>   3) ""; written (and maintained/improved) by nVidia, words
>   for i386 and amd64, supports all cards, supports all
>   functionality.  ETA not announced; no public testing yet.

Correct. Announcement:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=41545&page=37

> 
>   If anyone knows better, please correct this.
> 

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Re: GPUs on FBSD?

2009-11-22 Thread Scott Bennett
 On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:28:03 + Anton Shterenlikht 
wrote:
>On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 08:11:57PM +0100, usleepl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Daniel C. Dowse  wrote:
>> 
>> > On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:46:57 +
>> > Anton Shterenlikht  wrote:
>> >
>> > > Anybody knows of working GPUs under FBSD on any arch?
>> > > Any advice?
>> > >
>> >
>> > I using a nvidia fx5500 with the latest driver 173.14.22 on i386 and
>> > it works perfect. And it was no pain to get 3d working for games.
>> >
>> > I am still wondering what this thread is actually about: is it about
>> hardware accelerated video or about offloading general computation to the
>> GPU ( CUDA et al. ).
>
>the latter. My question was about HPC application of GPUs. Use of GPGPUs
>for HPC under linux is growing very fast, with cuda and opencl. However,
>I doubt any GPUs will be supported on fbsd. At least not at this stage.
>Unless somebody knows better?
>
 Many, many GPUs, including most GPGPUs, are supported under both FreeBSD
and X.org.  CUDA on nVidia GPGPUs and Streams/Brook on ATi GPGPUs are not
currently supported under FreeBSD.
 An engineering professor friend of mine has one of nVidia's Tesla cards
and full CUDA support under Windows XP.  He says that the same driver works
for both the Tesla and his CUDA-enabled nVidia graphics card, as well as the
nVidia IGP in his laptop's motherboard.  Somewhere on the web--possibly on
nVidia's web site, but I don't remember anymore--we found something that
seemed to say that the LINUX version of the driver *also* contains the CUDA
support for nVidia GPGPUs.  If the FreeBSD driver is substantially a port of
the LINUX driver, then it's quite likely that the CUDA support is/will be
still in it.  Another hassle, according to my friend, is that the CUDA support
under Windows uses only the Intel C compiler. :-(
 What is definitely not available at present for FreeBSD is the rest of
the CUDA support, namely, a CUDA compiler, a C compiler with hooks for CUDA,
and any associated libraries.
 I have not so far seen any comparable information regarding Streams
driver support on ATi GPGPUs for FreeBSD, much less anything about Brook for
FreeBSD.
 The last time I checked, which was a few months ago, there were *no*
implementations of OpenCL.  My understanding is that there is now some sort
of "standard" for it that has been agreed upon by all parties involved, but
that there remains no published language definition/reference from which
compilers, etc. might be written for the GPGPUs of both of the major GPU
manufacturers.  So if you're waiting for OpenCL for FreeBSD, don't hold your
breath, stand on narrow ledges far above ground, and so forth while waiting.


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Re: GPUs on FBSD?

2009-11-21 Thread RW
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:06:13 -0500
Robert Huff  wrote:

> 
> usleepl...@gmail.com writes:
> 
> >  > >  as far as i know there have been Nvidia maintained/improved
> >  > >  drivers for FreeBSD for ages ( ls /usr/ports/x11 | grep -i
> >  > > nvid )
> >  >
> >  > And see this from the Makefile:
> >  >
> >  > # Starting with version 1.0-7667, NVidia has dropped support for
> >  > # numerous "legacy" GPUs.  Consult NVidia README (the Appendix)
> >  > to # find out whether you need to use legacy driver version and
> >  > install # one of corresponding `x11/nvidia-driver-71',
> >  > # `x11/nvidia-driver-96', or `x11/nvidia-driver-173' slave ports.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  are you trying to be right afterall?
> 
>   Someone's confused.  If it's me, that needs to get fixed.

You're confused on more than one level because this thread is not about
graphics drivers, however:

nv is the basic open-source x11 driver provided with xorg, it has poor
2-d performance and no 3-d support, nouveau is a open-source fork from
nv that aims to improve performance and add 3-d support. nvidia is the
the proprietary binary provided by nvidia, it's been around for years,
but nvidia were not prepared to release an amd64 version until FreeBSD
provided certain features in the kernel. Those features will be in 8.0,
so nvidia are now working on an amd64 version.
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Re: GPUs on FBSD?

2009-11-21 Thread Robert Huff

usleepl...@gmail.com writes:

>  > >  as far as i know there have been Nvidia maintained/improved
>  > >  drivers for FreeBSD for ages ( ls /usr/ports/x11 | grep -i nvid )
>  >
>  > And see this from the Makefile:
>  >
>  > # Starting with version 1.0-7667, NVidia has dropped support for
>  > # numerous "legacy" GPUs.  Consult NVidia README (the Appendix) to
>  > # find out whether you need to use legacy driver version and install
>  > # one of corresponding `x11/nvidia-driver-71',
>  > # `x11/nvidia-driver-96', or `x11/nvidia-driver-173' slave ports.
>  >
>  >
>  are you trying to be right afterall?

Someone's confused.  If it's me, that needs to get fixed.


Robert Huff

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Re: GPUs on FBSD?

2009-11-21 Thread usleepless
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Robert Huff  wrote:

>
> usleepl...@gmail.com writes:
>
> >  as far as i know there have been Nvidia maintained/improved
> >  drivers for FreeBSD for ages ( ls /usr/ports/x11 | grep -i nvid )
>
> And see this from the Makefile:
>
> # Starting with version 1.0-7667, NVidia has dropped support for
> # numerous "legacy" GPUs.  Consult NVidia README (the Appendix) to
> # find out whether you need to use legacy driver version and install
> # one of corresponding `x11/nvidia-driver-71',
> # `x11/nvidia-driver-96', or `x11/nvidia-driver-173' slave ports.
>
>
are you trying to be right afterall?

regards,

usleep



>
>
>Robert Huff
>
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Re: GPUs on FBSD?

2009-11-21 Thread Robert Huff

usleepl...@gmail.com writes:

>  as far as i know there have been Nvidia maintained/improved
>  drivers for FreeBSD for ages ( ls /usr/ports/x11 | grep -i nvid )

And see this from the Makefile:

# Starting with version 1.0-7667, NVidia has dropped support for
# numerous "legacy" GPUs.  Consult NVidia README (the Appendix) to
# find out whether you need to use legacy driver version and install
# one of corresponding `x11/nvidia-driver-71',
# `x11/nvidia-driver-96', or `x11/nvidia-driver-173' slave ports.



Robert Huff

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Re: GPUs on FBSD?

2009-11-21 Thread Robert Huff

usleepl...@gmail.com writes:

>  as far as i know there have been Nvidia maintained/improved drivers for
>  FreeBSD for ages ( ls /usr/ports/x11 | grep -i nvid )

I was looking at x11-drivers:

h...@jerusalem>> dir /usr/ports/x11-drivers | grep video-n
drwxr-xr-x   2 root  wheel   512 Aug 21 20:20 xf86-video-neomagic
drwxr-xr-x   2 root  wheel   512 Aug 21 20:20 xf86-video-newport
drwxr-xr-x   2 root  wheel   512 Aug 21 20:20 xf86-video-nouveau
drwxr-xr-x   2 root  wheel   512 Aug 21 20:20 xf86-video-nsc
drwxr-xr-x   2 root  wheel   512 Aug 21 20:20 xf86-video-nv

If that's true, shouldn't the nvidia-drivers be moved?


Robert Huff

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Re: GPUs on FBSD?

2009-11-21 Thread usleepless
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Robert Huff  wrote:

>
> usleepl...@gmail.com writes:
>
> >  The talk/announcement on the Nvidia forum is about a native video
> >  driver for amd64 i believe. A lot of people are waiting for this
> >  ( currently there is only Nvidia support for i386 ).
>
> I do not believe this is correct.  _As I understand it_ there
> are (currently) two options:
>
>1) "nv" driver; written by nVidia, but does not support
>recent (last N generations) cards, works only for i386,
>and does not support 100% of 3d functions.  Breakage
>fixed, but no new features added.
>2) "noveau" driver; written by third parties, works for i386
>and amd64 (maybe for others).  For what works, see the
>(hopefully outdated) web page.
>
>Under development:
>
>3) ""; written (and maintained/improved) by nVidia, words
>for i386 and amd64, supports all cards, supports all
>functionality.  ETA not announced; no public testing yet.
>
>If anyone knows better, please correct this.
>
>
as far as i know there have been Nvidia maintained/improved drivers for
FreeBSD for ages ( ls /usr/ports/x11 | grep -i nvid )

and for example:

%kldstat
Id Refs AddressSize Name
 18 0xc040 5ec918   kernel
 21 0xc09ed000 753c90   nvidia.ko
 31 0xc497c000 e000 fuse.ko
 41 0xc4b64000 2000 rtc.ko

The announcement may be about a unified driver, i don't know about that.


3. "nvidia". have X use the Nvidia supplied driver.

Works for me?

xorg.conf:

Section "Device"
Identifier "Device0"
Driver "nvidia"
VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation"
Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
Option "DisableGLXRootClipping" "true"
Option "TwinView" "True"
Option "SecondMonitorHorizSync" "31-80"
Option "SecondMonitorVertRefresh" "56-76"
Option "TwinViewOrientation" "RightOf"
Option "MetaModes" "1280x1024, 1280x1024"
Option "DamageEvents" "True"
EndSection

Is this not what you meant?

regards,

usleep




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Re: GPUs on FBSD?

2009-11-21 Thread Robert Huff

usleepl...@gmail.com writes:

>  The talk/announcement on the Nvidia forum is about a native video
>  driver for amd64 i believe. A lot of people are waiting for this
>  ( currently there is only Nvidia support for i386 ).

I do not believe this is correct.  _As I understand it_ there
are (currently) two options:

1) "nv" driver; written by nVidia, but does not support
recent (last N generations) cards, works only for i386,
and does not support 100% of 3d functions.  Breakage
fixed, but no new features added.
2) "noveau" driver; written by third parties, works for i386
and amd64 (maybe for others).  For what works, see the
(hopefully outdated) web page.

Under development:

3) ""; written (and maintained/improved) by nVidia, words
for i386 and amd64, supports all cards, supports all
functionality.  ETA not announced; no public testing yet.

If anyone knows better, please correct this.


Robert Huff



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Re: GPUs on FBSD?

2009-11-21 Thread Chris Rees
2009/11/20 Gary Kline :
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 02:56:03PM +, Chris Rees wrote:
>> 2009/11/20 Anton Shterenlikht :
>> > Anybody knows of working GPUs under FBSD on any arch?
>> > Any advice?
>> >
>>
>> Your question could have been phrased better but that's the teacher in 
>> me!
>>
>> Nvidia GPUs work on IA-32 machines, but AFAIK there's still no amd64 driver.
>>
>> Food for thought: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=398
>>
>> My advice: Get an Nvidia card, and install FreeBSD/i386.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>
>        hi chris,
>
>        i'm taking this offlist so i don't show my totsl ignorance about
>        running X11 and my new intel duo with i386 and 7.2.
>
>        do i need a nvidia card to run X?  the graphics show the dell
>        circle just before the boot sequence but that may be built into the
>        bios.
>
>        (another reason for keeping this offlist is that my network pal says
>        to NOT run X on my server ... simply for the sake of simplicity.  i
>        will not use the computer for anything except CTWM  for root, which
>        will make doing sysadmin tasks vastly easier.  nutshell: if i do need
>        a video card for my dell inspiron 530, what kind?
>
>        tia,
>
>        gary
>

Nah, X will run on more or less anything; it's not particularly heavy.
If you just want to do the odd thing, you might be better off with
/u/p/net/vnc and display it on another machine.

Chris

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Re: GPUs on FBSD?

2009-11-21 Thread usleepless
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 08:11:57PM +0100, usleepl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Daniel C. Dowse 
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:46:57 +
> > > Anton Shterenlikht  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Anybody knows of working GPUs under FBSD on any arch?
> > > > Any advice?
> > > >
> > >
> > > I using a nvidia fx5500 with the latest driver 173.14.22 on i386 and
> > > it works perfect. And it was no pain to get 3d working for games.
> > >
> > > I am still wondering what this thread is actually about: is it about
> > hardware accelerated video or about offloading general computation to the
> > GPU ( CUDA et al. ).
>
> the latter. My question was about HPC application of GPUs. Use of GPGPUs
> for HPC under linux is growing very fast, with cuda and opencl. However,
> I doubt any GPUs will be supported on fbsd. At least not at this stage.
> Unless somebody knows better?
>
> many thanks
>

I looked at CUDA lately and according to Nvidia the library stuff/driver you
need is not available for FreeBSD ( Linux, Windows ). I forgot about if it
is supported on Mac.

The talk/announcement on the Nvidia forum is about a native video driver for
amd64 i believe. A lot of people are waiting for this ( currently there is
only Nvidia support for i386 ). I don't think they are talking about
including CUDA support.

There is no OpenCL implementation for FreeBSD that i am aware of ( did look
).

regards,

usleep


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Re: GPUs on FBSD?

2009-11-21 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 08:11:57PM +0100, usleepl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Daniel C. Dowse  wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:46:57 +
> > Anton Shterenlikht  wrote:
> >
> > > Anybody knows of working GPUs under FBSD on any arch?
> > > Any advice?
> > >
> >
> > I using a nvidia fx5500 with the latest driver 173.14.22 on i386 and
> > it works perfect. And it was no pain to get 3d working for games.
> >
> > I am still wondering what this thread is actually about: is it about
> hardware accelerated video or about offloading general computation to the
> GPU ( CUDA et al. ).

the latter. My question was about HPC application of GPUs. Use of GPGPUs
for HPC under linux is growing very fast, with cuda and opencl. However,
I doubt any GPUs will be supported on fbsd. At least not at this stage.
Unless somebody knows better?

many thanks

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Re: GPUs on FBSD?

2009-11-20 Thread Gary Kline
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 02:56:03PM +, Chris Rees wrote:
> 2009/11/20 Anton Shterenlikht :
> > Anybody knows of working GPUs under FBSD on any arch?
> > Any advice?
> >
> 
> Your question could have been phrased better but that's the teacher in me!
> 
> Nvidia GPUs work on IA-32 machines, but AFAIK there's still no amd64 driver.
> 
> Food for thought: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=398
> 
> My advice: Get an Nvidia card, and install FreeBSD/i386.
> 
> Chris
> 

hi chris,

i'm taking this offlist so i don't show my totsl ignorance about 
running X11 and my new intel duo with i386 and 7.2.

do i need a nvidia card to run X?  the graphics show the dell 
circle just before the boot sequence but that may be built into the
bios.

(another reason for keeping this offlist is that my network pal says 
to NOT run X on my server ... simply for the sake of simplicity.  i
will not use the computer for anything except CTWM  for root, which
will make doing sysadmin tasks vastly easier.  nutshell: if i do need
a video card for my dell inspiron 530, what kind?

tia,

gary


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Re: GPUs on FBSD?

2009-11-20 Thread usleepless
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Daniel C. Dowse  wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:46:57 +
> Anton Shterenlikht  wrote:
>
> > Anybody knows of working GPUs under FBSD on any arch?
> > Any advice?
> >
>
> I using a nvidia fx5500 with the latest driver 173.14.22 on i386 and
> it works perfect. And it was no pain to get 3d working for games.
>
> I am still wondering what this thread is actually about: is it about
hardware accelerated video or about offloading general computation to the
GPU ( CUDA et al. ).

does anybody know?

regards,

usleep


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Re: GPUs on FBSD?

2009-11-20 Thread Daniel C. Dowse
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:46:57 +
Anton Shterenlikht  wrote:

> Anybody knows of working GPUs under FBSD on any arch?
> Any advice?
> 

I using a nvidia fx5500 with the latest driver 173.14.22 on i386 and
it works perfect. And it was no pain to get 3d working for games.
  
cheers 

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Re: GPUs on FBSD?

2009-11-20 Thread Vincent Hoffman
Chris Rees wrote:
> 2009/11/20 Robert Huff :
>   
>> Chris Rees writes:
>> 
>>>  > Anybody knows of working GPUs under FBSD on any arch?
>>>  > Any advice?
>>>
>>>  Nvidia GPUs work on IA-32 machines, but AFAIK there's still no
>>>  amd64 driver.
>>>   
>>There was a posting within the last 24 hours on one of the
>> FreeBSD mailing lists that pointed to a post indicating nVidia is
>> working on native {i386, amd64} drivers.  The post was dated
>> November 5th; it provided no expected release date beyond "when it's
>> done".  My personal _estimation_ would be "when 8.0 ships, or soon
>> after".
>>
>>
>>Robert Huff
>> 
>
> Now that could be very interesting
>
> Thanks for your alertness! I couldn't find the post you mentioned,
> though there is
> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2078598&postcount=415
>
> Chris
>
>
>   
The link was
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=41545&page=37 and the
essence is that they have a driver that works but its still pre-beta (no
date for a public beta yet)


Vince



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Re: GPUs on FBSD?

2009-11-20 Thread Chris Rees
2009/11/20 Robert Huff :
>
> Chris Rees writes:
>>  > Anybody knows of working GPUs under FBSD on any arch?
>>  > Any advice?
>>
>>  Nvidia GPUs work on IA-32 machines, but AFAIK there's still no
>>  amd64 driver.
>
>        There was a posting within the last 24 hours on one of the
> FreeBSD mailing lists that pointed to a post indicating nVidia is
> working on native {i386, amd64} drivers.  The post was dated
> November 5th; it provided no expected release date beyond "when it's
> done".  My personal _estimation_ would be "when 8.0 ships, or soon
> after".
>
>
>                                Robert Huff

Now that could be very interesting

Thanks for your alertness! I couldn't find the post you mentioned,
though there is
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2078598&postcount=415

Chris


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Re: GPUs on FBSD?

2009-11-20 Thread Robert Huff

Chris Rees writes:
>  > Anybody knows of working GPUs under FBSD on any arch?
>  > Any advice?
>  
>  Nvidia GPUs work on IA-32 machines, but AFAIK there's still no
>  amd64 driver.

There was a posting within the last 24 hours on one of the
FreeBSD mailing lists that pointed to a post indicating nVidia is
working on native {i386, amd64} drivers.  The post was dated
November 5th; it provided no expected release date beyond "when it's
done".  My personal _estimation_ would be "when 8.0 ships, or soon
after".


Robert Huff

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Re: GPUs on FBSD?

2009-11-20 Thread Chris Rees
2009/11/20 Anton Shterenlikht :
> Anybody knows of working GPUs under FBSD on any arch?
> Any advice?
>

Your question could have been phrased better but that's the teacher in me!

Nvidia GPUs work on IA-32 machines, but AFAIK there's still no amd64 driver.

Food for thought: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=398

My advice: Get an Nvidia card, and install FreeBSD/i386.

Chris

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GPUs on FBSD?

2009-11-20 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
Anybody knows of working GPUs under FBSD on any arch?
Any advice?

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