Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
If I recall correctly, only the i386 version of Leopard is Unix certified, so if you're still using a PowerPC, you're out of luck for upgrading to a Unix certified operating system. But I believe a previous version was if you'd like to downgrade. As far as I know, Unix certification is more about interoperability than anything else, but there's still the public perception about security and stability. For Apple, it's probably more about bragging rights and propaganda than anything else. Before saying I'm anti-Apple, I'm writing this email using Mail.app. On Oct 18, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. I'd imagine that the big reason that FreeBSD hasn't done this yet is: It costs a lot of money. That said, if in theory one were to try to get the operating system certified (say, to increase awareness and market share versus the penguinistas)... a) approximately how much money is a lot? and b) How far short, technically, does FreeBSD fall from the standard (we'll ignore operational semantics for the time being) -Dan -- It's like GTA, except you pay for it, and you're allowed to use the car. -Josh, on Zipcar on-demand car-rental, 3/20/05 Dan Mahoney Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. I'd imagine that the big reason that FreeBSD hasn't done this yet is: It costs a lot of money. That said, if in theory one were to try to get the operating system certified (say, to increase awareness and market share versus the penguinistas)... a) approximately how much money is a lot? and b) How far short, technically, does FreeBSD fall from the standard (we'll ignore operational semantics for the time being) -Dan -- It's like GTA, except you pay for it, and you're allowed to use the car. -Josh, on Zipcar on-demand car-rental, 3/20/05 Dan Mahoney Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. UNIX Certified what the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ does that mean as far I know no one is in a position to make such a statement except maybe the current owner of the Unix trademark (sco if I am not mistaken) I'd imagine that the big reason that FreeBSD hasn't done this yet is: It costs a lot of money. And give SCO a reason to actually consolidate it's illegitimate claim to be the steward of Unix when there is no such thing beyond the holder of the trademark. That said, if in theory one were to try to get the operating system certified (say, to increase awareness and market share versus the penguinistas)... a) approximately how much money is a lot? and b) How far short, technically, does FreeBSD fall from the standard (we'll ignore operational semantics for the time being) MacOS-X is FreeBSD at it's core thus we are ready now (actually all that is required is POSIX complience) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. I'd imagine that the big reason that FreeBSD hasn't done this yet is: It costs a lot of money. There was a thread on this a month or 3 ago; might want to check the archives. I think the consensus came down to something like: The certification is largely irrelevant, self-serving to a couple vendors that sponsor it, and expensive, so - why bother? -Rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. UNIX Certified what the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ does that mean as far I know no one is in a position to make such a statement except maybe the current owner of the Unix trademark (sco if I am not mistaken) From here: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html#unix Mac OS X is now a fully certified UNIX operating system, conforming to both the Single UNIX Specification (SUSv3) and POSIX 1003.1. Deploy Leopard in environments that demand full UNIX conformance and enjoy expanded support for open standards popular in the UNIX community such as the OASIS Open Document Format (ODF) or ECMAs Office XML. I'd imagine that the big reason that FreeBSD hasn't done this yet is: It costs a lot of money. And give SCO a reason to actually consolidate it's illegitimate claim to be the steward of Unix when there is no such thing beyond the holder of the trademark. That said, if in theory one were to try to get the operating system certified (say, to increase awareness and market share versus the penguinistas)... a) approximately how much money is a lot? and b) How far short, technically, does FreeBSD fall from the standard (we'll ignore operational semantics for the time being) MacOS-X is FreeBSD at it's core thus we are ready now (actually all that is required is POSIX complience) Well, apple has also made changes to the OS in some ways, which was why I was asking. -- Don't think of it as beer, think of it as a flavored motor oil. -Jeremiah Kristal, on Guinness 3/29/05, 9:52 AM Dan Mahoney Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. UNIX Certified what the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ does that mean as far I know no one is in a position to make such a statement except maybe the current owner of the Unix trademark (sco if I am not mistaken) From here: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html#unix Mac OS X is now a fully certified UNIX operating system, conforming to both the Single UNIX Specification (SUSv3) and POSIX 1003.1. Deploy Leopard in environments that demand full UNIX conformance and enjoy expanded support for open standards popular in the UNIX community such as the OASIS Open Document Format (ODF) or ECMAs Office XML. This is complete and total fluff unless they say who certified it. And no one has legit claim to be able to do that. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
--On Thursday, October 18, 2007 13:49:07 + Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From here: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html#unix Mac OS X is now a fully certified UNIX operating system, conforming to both the Single UNIX Specification (SUSv3) and POSIX 1003.1. Deploy Leopard in environments that demand full UNIX conformance and enjoy expanded support for open standards popular in the UNIX community such as the OASIS Open Document Format (ODF) or ECMAs Office XML. This is complete and total fluff unless they say who certified it. And no one has legit claim to be able to do that. http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/08/01/mac-os-x-leopard-receives-unix-03-certification http://www.unix.org/unix03.html pgpuIPMgzwJjC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. UNIX Certified what the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ does that mean as far I know no one is in a position to make such a statement except maybe the current owner of the Unix trademark (sco if I am not mistaken) I'd imagine that the big reason that FreeBSD hasn't done this yet is: It costs a lot of money. Apparently The Open Group are in charge of UNIX certification - see http://www.opengroup.org/certification/ for details. -- Bruce And give SCO a reason to actually consolidate it's illegitimate claim to be the steward of Unix when there is no such thing beyond the holder of the trademark. That said, if in theory one were to try to get the operating system certified (say, to increase awareness and market share versus the penguinistas)... a) approximately how much money is a lot? and b) How far short, technically, does FreeBSD fall from the standard (we'll ignore operational semantics for the time being) MacOS-X is FreeBSD at it's core thus we are ready now (actually all that is required is POSIX complience) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
Apparently The Open Group are in charge of UNIX certification - see http://www.opengroup.org/certification/ for details. They have a very bad track record over the last 10-15 years, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
Dan Mahoney, System Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. I'd imagine that the big reason that FreeBSD hasn't done this yet is: It costs a lot of money. Yes, and has to be re-done regularly. That said, if in theory one were to try to get the operating system certified (say, to increase awareness and market share versus the penguinistas)... a) approximately how much money is a lot? http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/Brandfees.htm and b) How far short, technically, does FreeBSD fall from the standard (we'll ignore operational semantics for the time being) Compliance is an ongoing effort, but basically FreeBSD is pretty close. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 01:39:53PM +, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. UNIX Certified what the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ does that mean as far I know no one is in a position to make such a statement except maybe the current owner of the Unix trademark (sco if I am not mistaken) SCO has never owned the UNIX trademark. The current owner of is The Open Group, and they are indeed the ones that certify products as being officialy 'UNIX'. I'd imagine that the big reason that FreeBSD hasn't done this yet is: It costs a lot of money. And give SCO a reason to actually consolidate it's illegitimate claim to be the steward of Unix when there is no such thing beyond the holder of the trademark. That said, if in theory one were to try to get the operating system certified (say, to increase awareness and market share versus the penguinistas)... a) approximately how much money is a lot? and b) How far short, technically, does FreeBSD fall from the standard (we'll ignore operational semantics for the time being) MacOS-X is FreeBSD at it's core thus we are ready now (actually all that is required is POSIX complience) MacOS X is partly based on FreeBSD, but they have also taken code from several other places, as well as made a whole lot of changes themselves. That MacOS X is UNIX-certifified says very little about how well FreeBSD will do in that regard. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 01:56:05PM -0400, Rob wrote: Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. I'd imagine that the big reason that FreeBSD hasn't done this yet is: It costs a lot of money. There was a thread on this a month or 3 ago; might want to check the archives. I think the consensus came down to something like: The certification is largely irrelevant, self-serving to a couple vendors that sponsor it, and expensive, so - why bother? Sounds a little like way back when 'Crest toothpaste used to adversised that it was the only one accepted as an effective dentifrice by the American Dental Association (I think that was the name they used) when they were the only ones who had ever sought the credential and essentially made up the category themselves. After several years some other brand finally did it too and then they all quit using it in their advertising. So, probably this is only meaningful as long as Apple Spotted Cat OS is the only one doing it.If someone else does it, then it won't be worth anything to anyone. jerry -Rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
