Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-03 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Denis Troshin wrote this message on Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 16:58 +0700: Sorry for all the responses that don't directly answer your question, but you did ask it in a rather tactless way by saying it's a mess w/o understanding the reasoning behind it. Almost every package I install requires a

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-02 Thread Martin Brecher
First off, let me say that FreeBSD is one of the cleanest systems out there as the developers try to remove bigger packages from the base system instead of adding more bloat every release. One example would be the removal of perl from the base distribution in 5.x. As for perl and the other

Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-01 Thread Denis Troshin
Almost every package I install requires a few other packages. This 'idea of using dependent packages' turns FreeBSD (and other unix-systems) to an ugly monster. For example, I don't need Perl or Python but a few packages I install require them. Does exist a programming under unix

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-01 Thread Matthew Graybosch
On 16:58 Mon 01 Sep , Denis Troshin wrote: P.S. Under Windows it is possible to write not bad applications which depend just on libraries (KERNEL32, USER32, GDI32). And these libs exist on every base system!!! Is it possible in unix? Before I thought that unix programs very

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-01 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Sep 01), Denis Troshin said: Almost every package I install requires a few other packages. This 'idea of using dependent packages' turns FreeBSD (and other unix-systems) to an ugly monster. For example, I don't need Perl or Python but a few packages I install

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-01 Thread Chris Dillon
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Denis Troshin wrote: Almost every package I install requires a few other packages. This 'idea of using dependent packages' turns FreeBSD (and other unix-systems) to an ugly monster. At least the dependencies are taken care of for you automatically in FreeBSD, unlike some

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-01 Thread Robert Watson
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Denis Troshin wrote: Almost every package I install requires a few other packages. This 'idea of using dependent packages' turns FreeBSD (and other unix-systems) to an ugly monster. For example, I don't need Perl or Python but a few packages I install require them.

Re: Ugly Huge BSD Monster

2003-09-01 Thread Terry Lambert
Denis Troshin wrote: Almost every package I install requires a few other packages. This 'idea of using dependent packages' turns FreeBSD (and other unix-systems) to an ugly monster. You're right. The authors of the offending software packages should not do that. It's going to