Re: X.org 7.3 sure is a mess...
Sorry about the delay in my response. I got tied up in lots of unrelated
matters for several days.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:55:43 +0100 Dominic Fandrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Scott Bennett wrote:
>> Now that I've upgraded to X.org 7.3, I'm wishing that I hadn't done it.
>> ...
>> I'm still discovering more and more broken stuff in 7.3 each day. It's
>> only partially usable. ...
>
>Did you check the integrity of your libraries? Are you maybe using portupgrade
>that keeps copies of old libraries in /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg ? Maybe some
>things are still linked against these, this can lead to a load of trouble.
>
>You can install sysutils/bsdadminscripts and run pkg_libchk to check the
>integrity of your system.
>
Thank you for that suggestion. I tried running it, and it did produce
some messages like
diablo-jre-1.5.0.07.01_3: /usr/local/diablo-jre1.5.0/lib/i386/libdcpr.so misses
libjvm.so
However, xscreensaver{,-demo} did not appear in the output, nor did firefox.
The only package with a name beginning "xorg-" that appeared got this message:
xorg-printserver-6.9.0_2: /usr/X11R6/bin/Xprt misses libXdmcp.so.0
I'm not sure what to do about these or the others that were listed, but in any
case, the bsdadminscripts package of scripts appears to deal only with packages
and not with ports installed as ports rather than packages. Because the X.org
upgrade process builds essentially all of the X.org core software from ports,
the scripts have limited applicability to the current situation.
Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG
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Re: X.org 7.3 sure is a mess...
Scott Bennett wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:09:54 +0100 Peter Boosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The only problem I'm having since 7.3 btw (I forgot about that, but just remembered) is everytime I start nethack-qt (either local or remote) X restarts, kicking me out of my session. Does it restart by itself? Or simply crash on a signal 11? It just restarted, I had to logon again, but it has already been solved: I removed all the 'Acceleration' stuff from the conf file. Apparently my hardware didn't like that. Peter -- http://www.boosten.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: X.org 7.3 sure is a mess...
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:09:54 +0100 Peter Boosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Mark Ovens wrote: >> >> The other thing I've noticed is, on my box at least, that the problem >> always starts when I move the mouse (not every time of course) so could >> it be Xorg 7.3 not playing nicely with the mouse driver - or the USB >> driver since my mouse is a USB one? Which may explain why some people >> see the problem and others don't? > >My mouse is on USB, still no problems. > My trackball is a USB 2.0 device, but the touchpad and pencil eraser thingy are built into the machine. >> >> This is really becoming a big PITA. >> > >So I wonder how we can help the port maintainer to fix the issue. Maybe >it's an idea to collect some data on installed ports (including >versions), used hardware and whether or not one has problems? Well, here's my info for starters then. Computer: Dell Inspiron XPS CPU: 3.4 GHz P4 w/HTT enabled RAM: 1 GB Graphics card: ATI Radeon JN R420 Mobility M18 (*) Built-in pointing devices: Synaptics Touchpad, GlidePoint eraserhead thingy External pointing device: Logitech USB Trackball (**) (*) When X is started, the following messages appear in /var/log/message: info: [drm] Setting GART location based on new memory map info: [drm] Loading R300 Microcode info: [drm] writeback test succeeded in 1 usecs However, near the end of /var/log/Xorg.0.log this is apparently reconsidered: (II) RADEON(0): [DRI] installation complete (II) RADEON(0): [drm] Added 32 65536 byte vertex/indirect buffers (II) RADEON(0): [drm] Mapped 32 vertex/indirect buffers (II) RADEON(0): [drm] dma control initialized, using IRQ 16 (II) RADEON(0): [drm] Initialized kernel GART heap manager, 5111808 (WW) RADEON(0): DRI init changed memory map, adjusting ... (WW) RADEON(0): MC_FB_LOCATION was: 0xefffe000 is: 0xefffe000 (WW) RADEON(0): MC_AGP_LOCATION was: 0xffc0 is: 0xf07ff000 (II) RADEON(0): RADEONRestoreMemMapRegisters() : (II) RADEON(0): MC_FB_LOCATION : 0xefffe000 0xefffe000 (II) RADEON(0): MC_AGP_LOCATION : 0xf07ff000 (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled (II) RADEON(0): Render acceleration unsupported on Radeon 9500/9700 and newer. (II) RADEON(0): Render acceleration disabled (II) RADEON(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA) Screen to screen bit blits Solid filled rectangles 8x8 mono pattern filled rectangles Indirect CPU to Screen color expansion Solid Lines Scanline Image Writes Offscreen Pixmaps Setting up tile and stipple cache: 32 128x128 slots 32 256x256 slots 16 512x512 slots (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled ...and a bit later... (II) RADEON(0): RandR 1.2 enabled, ignore the following RandR disabled message. (--) RandR disabled ...and several "Initializing " lines later... (II) Loading sub module "GLcore" (II) LoadModule: "GLcore" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libGLcore.so (II) Module GLcore: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.4.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3 (II) GLX: Initialized MESA-PROXY GL provider for screen 0 (**) The driver identifies the trackball as having 5 buttons, though in fact, it only has 4. This has been the case as long as I've been running FreeBSD (i.e., since 5.2.1) and is not new to 6.3. > >The only problem I'm having since 7.3 btw (I forgot about that, but just >remembered) is everytime I start nethack-qt (either local or remote) X >restarts, kicking me out of my session. > Does it restart by itself? Or simply crash on a signal 11? Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: X.org 7.3 sure is a mess...
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:01:28 + Mark Ovens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Peter Boosten wrote: >> Ken Gunderson wrote: >>> [snip] Looks like you're having a problem with your window manager, instead of Xorg. Mine (with enlightenment-devel) works like charm. None of the issues you describe anyway. Peter >>> >>> So how would you explain that I am seeing same type of behaviors in >>> straight "startx" with default twm, i.e. bundled Xorg wm? >>> I'm using WindowMaker (wmaker). Firefox hangs something in a way that I can't get any response whatsoever from the keyboard, touchpad, keyboard pointer thingy that looks like a pencil eraser, or trackball. Because I have no other box from which to log in remotely, my only option is to power the system down, turn it back on, reboot, wait for fsck, etc. Many xscreensaver modules cause the *server*, not the window manager, to die on a signal 11. >> >> Dunno. But the troubles cannot originate from the xorg ports, or >> everyone would see the same behaviour, right? >> > > > Maybe some other port, or hardware (maybe your video card? - just > > guessing), or the driver for that particular piece of hardware. > > > >One would expect so, but it would appear not to be the case. I'm having >the same problem - if I ssh in from another box I see the Xorg process >sucking >100% CPU and the state is *GIANT > >I'm using an ATI card but people are having the same issue with nVidia >and Matrox cards. My box has run every version of Xorg since it replaced >XFree86 on FreeBSD and many versions of XFree86 before that without this >problem. Mine is a Mobility Radeon 9800. > >Also, the problem seems to come and go for me as I update my ports, i.e. >the box has the problem, I run ``portmaster -a'' and the problem goes >away. sometime later I run ``portmaster -a'' again and the problem >re-appears. Only seems to happen when X-related stuff gets updated. I haven't noticed the intermittency you describe here, but that is likely due to the fact that updating the various parts of X and X applications takes so long that I try to avoid doing it very often. > >The other thing I've noticed is, on my box at least, that the problem >always starts when I move the mouse (not every time of course) so could >it be Xorg 7.3 not playing nicely with the mouse driver - or the USB >driver since my mouse is a USB one? Which may explain why some people >see the problem and others don't? That's a thought. The Firefox problem always seems to occur when I make the first button click anywhere in the Firefox window, but maybe I should try simply moving the cursor into the window and wait a few seconds to see what happens before pressing a button. > >This is really becoming a big PITA. > I concur. Since the "upgrade"--downgrade is more like it--to 7.3 from 6.9, I only have access to a functioning web browser when I shut down FreeBSD and boot Windows XP, a very sad state of affairs. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: X.org 7.3 sure is a mess...
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:01:28 +
Mark Ovens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter Boosten wrote:
> > Ken Gunderson wrote:
> >> [snip]
> >>> Looks like you're having a problem with your window manager, instead of
> >>> Xorg.
> >>>
> >>> Mine (with enlightenment-devel) works like charm. None of the issues
> >>> you describe anyway.
> >>>
> >>> Peter
> >>
> >> So how would you explain that I am seeing same type of behaviors in
> >> straight "startx" with default twm, i.e. bundled Xorg wm?
> >>
> >
> > Dunno. But the troubles cannot originate from the xorg ports, or
> > everyone would see the same behaviour, right?
> >
>
> > Maybe some other port, or hardware (maybe your video card? - just
> > guessing), or the driver for that particular piece of hardware.
> >
>
> One would expect so, but it would appear not to be the case. I'm having
> the same problem - if I ssh in from another box I see the Xorg process
> sucking >100% CPU and the state is *GIANT
I would very much like to see a process using "> 100% CPU" :)
What CPU ? I haven't seen GIANT on Xorg for a while...but, again, I don't check
all the time :d
anyway... my xorg sits at 7.81% on select...i've been on this session for 17
hours, and have a heavily loaded xfce session with 10 virt desktops. I actually
recently removed the lower limit for cpufreq to drop the freq and i've been
hovering @ 200 Mhz (measured once a second in gkrellm), although right now I'm
between 800 and 1000 Mhz.
could you please send your xorg.conf ?
have you tried attaching ktrace to xorg in those situations and seeing what it
is doing ?
what about other system vitals ? is your disk trashing ? RAM usage?
>
> I'm using an ATI card but people are having the same issue with nVidia
> and Matrox cards. My box has run every version of Xorg since it replaced
> XFree86 on FreeBSD and many versions of XFree86 before that without this
> problem.
>
> Also, the problem seems to come and go for me as I update my ports, i.e.
> the box has the problem, I run ``portmaster -a'' and the problem goes
> away. sometime later I run ``portmaster -a'' again and the problem
> re-appears. Only seems to happen when X-related stuff gets updated.
maybe if you can pinpoint WHAT gets updated it would be of more help :)
the ati drivers had several updates over the last few months...
> The other thing I've noticed is, on my box at least, that the problem
> always starts when I move the mouse (not every time of course) so could
> it be Xorg 7.3 not playing nicely with the mouse driver - or the USB
> driver since my mouse is a USB one? Which may explain why some people
> see the problem and others don't?
I'd like to see a count of hands ... who DOESN'T use USB mice or
built-in-mice-in-laptops nowadays...
by any chance you wouldn't have the xcomposite extension enabled... ?
> This is really becoming a big PITA.
i understand, but without concrete information it wont go anywhere fast :)
B
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Re: X.org 7.3 sure is a mess...
Scott Bennett wrote: Now that I've upgraded to X.org 7.3, I'm wishing that I hadn't done it. ... I'm still discovering more and more broken stuff in 7.3 each day. It's only partially usable. ... Did you check the integrity of your libraries? Are you maybe using portupgrade that keeps copies of old libraries in /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg ? Maybe some things are still linked against these, this can lead to a load of trouble. You can install sysutils/bsdadminscripts and run pkg_libchk to check the integrity of your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: X.org 7.3 sure is a mess...
Mark Ovens wrote: The other thing I've noticed is, on my box at least, that the problem always starts when I move the mouse (not every time of course) so could it be Xorg 7.3 not playing nicely with the mouse driver - or the USB driver since my mouse is a USB one? Which may explain why some people see the problem and others don't? My mouse is on USB, still no problems. This is really becoming a big PITA. So I wonder how we can help the port maintainer to fix the issue. Maybe it's an idea to collect some data on installed ports (including versions), used hardware and whether or not one has problems? The only problem I'm having since 7.3 btw (I forgot about that, but just remembered) is everytime I start nethack-qt (either local or remote) X restarts, kicking me out of my session. Peter -- http://www.boosten.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: X.org 7.3 sure is a mess...
Peter Boosten wrote: Ken Gunderson wrote: [snip] Looks like you're having a problem with your window manager, instead of Xorg. Mine (with enlightenment-devel) works like charm. None of the issues you describe anyway. Peter So how would you explain that I am seeing same type of behaviors in straight "startx" with default twm, i.e. bundled Xorg wm? Dunno. But the troubles cannot originate from the xorg ports, or everyone would see the same behaviour, right? > Maybe some other port, or hardware (maybe your video card? - just > guessing), or the driver for that particular piece of hardware. > One would expect so, but it would appear not to be the case. I'm having the same problem - if I ssh in from another box I see the Xorg process sucking >100% CPU and the state is *GIANT I'm using an ATI card but people are having the same issue with nVidia and Matrox cards. My box has run every version of Xorg since it replaced XFree86 on FreeBSD and many versions of XFree86 before that without this problem. Also, the problem seems to come and go for me as I update my ports, i.e. the box has the problem, I run ``portmaster -a'' and the problem goes away. sometime later I run ``portmaster -a'' again and the problem re-appears. Only seems to happen when X-related stuff gets updated. The other thing I've noticed is, on my box at least, that the problem always starts when I move the mouse (not every time of course) so could it be Xorg 7.3 not playing nicely with the mouse driver - or the USB driver since my mouse is a USB one? Which may explain why some people see the problem and others don't? This is really becoming a big PITA. Regards, Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: X.org 7.3 sure is a mess...
Ken Gunderson wrote: [snip] Looks like you're having a problem with your window manager, instead of Xorg. Mine (with enlightenment-devel) works like charm. None of the issues you describe anyway. Peter So how would you explain that I am seeing same type of behaviors in straight "startx" with default twm, i.e. bundled Xorg wm? Dunno. But the troubles cannot originate from the xorg ports, or everyone would see the same behaviour, right? Maybe some other port, or hardware (maybe your video card? - just guessing), or the driver for that particular piece of hardware. Peter -- http://www.boosten.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: X.org 7.3 sure is a mess...
Norberto Meijome wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:19:19 +0100 Peter Boosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Looks like you're having a problem with your window manager, instead of Xorg. Mine (with enlightenment-devel) works like charm. None of the issues you describe anyway. indeed - i've jumped onto 7.3 as soon as it hit the ports tree. I'm using XFCE 4, on a relatively slow single cpu laptop and it just works as great as ever (quite well :P ). what cpu / wm are you using? what were you using before the upgrade ? Are you asking me? I'm on a very old laptop, a Toshiba Satellite Pro 4300 (I think), 500Mhz Celeron. I tried a myriad different wm's, but none of them really were what I was searching for (but they worked all). I didn't try KDE/Gnome, because my old laptop would not be able to handle them, and have functionality I'm not looking for. While enlightenment-devel still has its bugs (for instance 'lock screen' really does, it won't accept any password as valid - but it doesn't hang) it's fast, small, cool :-) Peter -- http://www.boosten.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: X.org 7.3 sure is a mess...
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:19:19 +0100
Peter Boosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Looks like you're having a problem with your window manager, instead of
> Xorg.
>
> Mine (with enlightenment-devel) works like charm. None of the issues you
> describe anyway.
indeed - i've jumped onto 7.3 as soon as it hit the ports tree. I'm using XFCE
4, on a relatively slow single cpu laptop and it just works as great as ever
(quite well :P ).
what cpu / wm are you using? what were you using before the upgrade ?
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X.org 7.3 sure is a mess...
[snip] >Looks like you're having a problem with your window manager, instead of >Xorg. > >Mine (with enlightenment-devel) works like charm. None of the issues >you describe anyway. > >Peter So how would you explain that I am seeing same type of behaviors in straight "startx" with default twm, i.e. bundled Xorg wm? -- Best regards, Ken Gunderson Q: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. A: Why is putting a reply at the top of the message frowned upon? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: X.org 7.3 sure is a mess...
Scott Bennett wrote: Now that I've upgraded to X.org 7.3, I'm wishing that I hadn't done it. Firefox hangs the server, using lots of CPU time, and the only way to get the screen, keyboard, and mouse access again is to power the machine down and up again, and then reboot. The xscreensaver modules mostly display nicely in the little window in the xscreensaver preferences panel, but about half of them when run in full-screen mode immediately crash the X server on a signal 11. PuTTY (installed from a port) is missing its terminal fonts, so I'm stuck using ssh(1) inside an xterm. I'm still discovering more and more broken stuff in 7.3 each day. It's only partially usable. How did this release ever make it out the door? What a mess. I suppose I can restore from the backups to get back to 6.9, though, but what a drag. All that mucking around to get through the upgrade, and for this?? Pardon my frustration, please. Looks like you're having a problem with your window manager, instead of Xorg. Mine (with enlightenment-devel) works like charm. None of the issues you describe anyway. Peter -- http://www.boosten.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: X.org 7.3 sure is a mess...
well i just reinstalled my packages from scratch (too much mess till today), with Xorg 7.3, now opera only not firefox, xterm, gimp etc.. all works fine On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Scott Bennett wrote: Now that I've upgraded to X.org 7.3, I'm wishing that I hadn't done it. Firefox hangs the server, using lots of CPU time, and the only way to get the screen, keyboard, and mouse access again is to power the machine down and up again, and then reboot. The xscreensaver modules mostly display nicely in the little window in the xscreensaver preferences panel, but about half of them when run in full-screen mode immediately crash the X server on a signal 11. PuTTY (installed from a port) is missing its terminal fonts, so I'm stuck using ssh(1) inside an xterm. I'm still discovering more and more broken stuff in 7.3 each day. It's only partially usable. How did this release ever make it out the door? What a mess. I suppose I can restore from the backups to get back to 6.9, though, but what a drag. All that mucking around to get through the upgrade, and for this?? Pardon my frustration, please. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
X.org 7.3 sure is a mess...
Now that I've upgraded to X.org 7.3, I'm wishing that I hadn't done it. Firefox hangs the server, using lots of CPU time, and the only way to get the screen, keyboard, and mouse access again is to power the machine down and up again, and then reboot. The xscreensaver modules mostly display nicely in the little window in the xscreensaver preferences panel, but about half of them when run in full-screen mode immediately crash the X server on a signal 11. PuTTY (installed from a port) is missing its terminal fonts, so I'm stuck using ssh(1) inside an xterm. I'm still discovering more and more broken stuff in 7.3 each day. It's only partially usable. How did this release ever make it out the door? What a mess. I suppose I can restore from the backups to get back to 6.9, though, but what a drag. All that mucking around to get through the upgrade, and for this?? Pardon my frustration, please. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
