Energy use (was installing freebsd on windows)
Wojciech Puchar wrote: It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a couple of months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop and I love it. On reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the developers have done an excellent job of course. windows vista runs well too on overmuscled hardware. Just i don't understand the idea of wasting the power of good hardware just to waste. Ok this is getting a bit OT but I would like to say it as I think it is something that we should be having a lot of discussion about. There is a further reason for using PCBSD which is energy consumption. My computer used to run for hours even days upgrading the base system and my desktop ports. Now it's all done once (well more than once for testing but you get the point I hope). And fairly new hardware can be more energy efficient than quite old hardware. There is of course freebsd-update which sounds great though I haven't used it, and pkg_add, but I generally found upgrading ports (with portmanager - my plug) gave better results. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:45:33 + Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 08:31:31AM -0400, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:50:40 + Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 01:03:59AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a couple of months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop and I love it. On reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the developers have done an excellent job of course. windows vista runs well too on overmuscled hardware. A system can never be over powered. No it doesn't. It doesn't run well on any hardware because it's got things like a file manager that is broken for all intents and purposes. No virtual desktops, undocumented shell etc. Actually, it supports at least four that I know of. You can Google for the information. Four of what? Virtual desktops. What are you referring to? Visit the power toys URL for further information. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/Downloads/powertoys/Xppowertoys.mspx Why do I have to Google the info? Shouldn't there be a copy of the info locally? Not necessarily. Many people don't want to clutter up their system with documentation that they will never use. I certainly don't. If I actually need an obscure bit of information, I can always obtain it. I can google for unbroken filemanagers, documented shells, install cygwin etc. but the software as it stands is horribly inadequate and undocumented. In your opinion. I never have a problem finding what I am looking for. MS Windows is probably the best documented piece of software around. Are you being sarcastic? Where's the Handbook like FreeBSDs? Are you being sarcastic? You can read the source can you? I can't. If you are referring to the source code; well that is obvious. If something else, then what? People get paid to develop the software. If they gave it away, they would not make a living, the unemployment lines would swell, and crime would increase. Now, if you don't believe in a capitalistic system of free enterprise, please come over and paint my house this weekend. I promise not to insult you by offering to pay you. Maybe I'm just getting old but Vista documentation seems to be scattered to hell and west over the 'net - if you can find what you're looking for at all. Yes, it is fragmented. The simple fact that there is so much information is the cause, not the problem. What is it you are looking for? Where are the documents for using their crappy filemanager? There are some with what they call, exaggeratingly, their help system but they are useless compared to any unix documentation. Probably there are a limited number of ways you can describe such an excrescance as the Vista Explorer replacement. Where are the manpages for their shell? They should at least have some documentation that comes with the OS that lists and describes the commands it supports. It doesn't. Did you actually install the 'Power Shell?' I assume that is what you are talking about. Read the 'Getting Started pages. I just installed it and there is a wealth of information there. Certainly enough to get started with. BTW, many people consider 'man' to be an acronym for Much About Nothing. Therein lies the reason that O'Reilly has make a fortune distributing 'How-To' books. I'm looking for an OS with a sane file hierarchy and a shell I can use to manage the files therein. An editor better than Notepad would be a bonus too. Wrong, you are looking for a specific OS that is tailored to your very specific specification. Everyone does not (thank GOD) have the same criteria. If it suits you, then great. If not, find one that does. Bitching like an old wash woman accomplishes nothing. Extensive documentation on the machine is a must. Then install it. Everyone does not want massive amounts of useless clutter. I've searched on google for documentation on the powershell to no avail. All the docs as such seem to be available if you are a member of MSDN - I presume so anyway, but for the general public they don't seem to be readily available. Obviously, you have not installed the shell. Besides the info included with the program, you might want to check out the following URL. It should answer most of your immediate questions. I also question you 'search' ability. I don't seem to be having any problem finding gratuitous amounts of documentation. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926139 In short, I gave Vista a decent shot (I quite like XP) but it was like wading through treacle and I thought that if I am to get the best out of it, I'm probably going to have to sign up for MSDN and download vast amounts of missing software and spend inordinate amounts of time on google. Yes, it is commonly referred to as a 'learning curve' Personally, anyone who cannot handle a Win32 machine has serous problems. Six year old kids gleefully manipulate a PC without problems. I know several
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 08:39:32AM -0400, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:45:33 + Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 08:31:31AM -0400, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:50:40 + Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 01:03:59AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a couple of months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop and I love it. On reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the developers have done an excellent job of course. windows vista runs well too on overmuscled hardware. A system can never be over powered. No it doesn't. It doesn't run well on any hardware because it's got things like a file manager that is broken for all intents and purposes. No virtual desktops, undocumented shell etc. Actually, it supports at least four that I know of. You can Google for the information. Four of what? Virtual desktops. What are you referring to? Visit the power toys URL for further information. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/Downloads/powertoys/Xppowertoys.mspx Thanks for that. Did they use to be called PowerTools? I downloaded them a few years ago but it didn't come with virtual desktops. Why do I have to Google the info? Shouldn't there be a copy of the info locally? Not necessarily. Many people don't want to clutter up their system with documentation that they will never use. I certainly don't. If I actually need an obscure bit of information, I can always obtain it. And when your 'net connection is down, then you can obtain it? I maintain the Handbook locally. It's no effort and can save my bacon for whenever I don't have 'net access. I can google for unbroken filemanagers, documented shells, install cygwin etc. but the software as it stands is horribly inadequate and undocumented. In your opinion. I never have a problem finding what I am looking for. MS Windows is probably the best documented piece of software around. Are you being sarcastic? Where's the Handbook like FreeBSDs? Are you being sarcastic? No. You can read the source can you? I can't. If you are referring to the source code; well that is obvious. If something else, then what? People get paid to develop the software. If they gave it away, they would not make a living, the unemployment lines would swell, and crime would increase. Now, if you don't believe in a capitalistic system of free enterprise, please come over and paint my house this weekend. I promise not to insult you by offering to pay you. You've fallen hook, line sinker for the broken windows fallacy. I support free software with a subscription to TUG. It's not my job to keep software developers in employment though. Maybe I'm just getting old but Vista documentation seems to be scattered to hell and west over the 'net - if you can find what you're looking for at all. Yes, it is fragmented. The simple fact that there is so much information is the cause, not the problem. It maybe the cause but it's also a problem. There should be one page on microsoft.com for each of their OSes where one can start looking for info. For instance, I did a search for cmd.exe commands on Google and it didn't return a useful page from microsoft.com on the first page. That's weak. What's even weaker is that cmd.exe isn't described in any of the local documentation on Vista/XP. What is it you are looking for? Where are the documents for using their crappy filemanager? There are some with what they call, exaggeratingly, their help system but they are useless compared to any unix documentation. Probably there are a limited number of ways you can describe such an excrescance as the Vista Explorer replacement. Where are the manpages for their shell? They should at least have some documentation that comes with the OS that lists and describes the commands it supports. It doesn't. Did you actually install the 'Power Shell?' I assume that is what you are talking about. Read the 'Getting Started pages. I just installed it and there is a wealth of information there. Certainly enough to get started with. I was talking about cmd.exe. That's the shell on Windows isn't it? I thought Powershell shipped with my version of Vista (business) but I guess I was wrong. BTW, many people consider 'man' to be an acronym for Much About Nothing. Therein lies the reason that O'Reilly has make a fortune distributing 'How-To' books. I own a shelf full of O'Reilly books. If I get my softs for free, I don't mind paying for extra documentation. When I pay for software, I expect it to be thoroughly documented (à la AutoCAD with a big thick manual). I'm looking for an OS with a sane file hierarchy and a shell I can use to manage the files therein. An editor better than Notepad would be a bonus too. Wrong, you are looking for a specific OS
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:49:48 + Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: Virtual desktops. What are you referring to? Visit the power toys URL for further information. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/Downloads/powertoys/Xppowertoys.mspx Thanks for that. Did they use to be called PowerTools? I downloaded them a few years ago but it didn't come with virtual desktops. I don't remember. Maybe. They have had virtual desktops for years though. Why do I have to Google the info? Shouldn't there be a copy of the info locally? Not necessarily. Many people don't want to clutter up their system with documentation that they will never use. I certainly don't. If I actually need an obscure bit of information, I can always obtain it. And when your 'net connection is down, then you can obtain it? I maintain the Handbook locally. It's no effort and can save my bacon for whenever I don't have 'net access. If the connection is down, I am probably NOT using the PC. Hell, if the power is out for more than 30 minutes, my UPS is dead so I am most definitely not using the machine. I can google for unbroken filemanagers, documented shells, install cygwin etc. but the software as it stands is horribly inadequate and undocumented. In your opinion. I never have a problem finding what I am looking for. You can read the source can you? I can't. If you are referring to the source code; well that is obvious. If something else, then what? People get paid to develop the software. If they gave it away, they would not make a living, the unemployment lines would swell, and crime would increase. Now, if you don't believe in a capitalistic system of free enterprise, please come over and paint my house this weekend. I promise not to insult you by offering to pay you. You've fallen hook, line sinker for the broken windows fallacy. I support free software with a subscription to TUG. It's not my job to keep software developers in employment though. I am strong believer in the free enterprise system. It is certainly not your responsibility to keep anyone employed. Use whatever you want. Maybe I'm just getting old but Vista documentation seems to be scattered to hell and west over the 'net - if you can find what you're looking for at all. Yes, it is fragmented. The simple fact that there is so much information is the cause, not the problem. It maybe the cause but it's also a problem. There should be one page on microsoft.com for each of their OSes where one can start looking for info. Are you joking? There all ready is. There is a home page for each of their major products. From there you can pretty much wander anywhere you want. I find it beyond belief that you cannot find one. For instance, I did a search for cmd.exe commands on Google and it didn't return a useful page from microsoft.com on the first page. That's weak. What's even weaker is that cmd.exe isn't described in any of the local documentation on Vista/XP. 1) That is a Google limitation. On WinXP 2) START Help and Support type: cmd.exe into the search box Honestly, have you actually tried? Honestly, that is pretty pathetic. Did you actually install the 'Power Shell?' I assume that is what you are talking about. Read the 'Getting Started pages. I just installed it and there is a wealth of information there. Certainly enough to get started with. I was talking about cmd.exe. That's the shell on Windows isn't it? I don't know. It is your system, you tell me. I thought Powershell shipped with my version of Vista (business) but I guess I was wrong. You are incorrect. At least it did not ship with the original version of Vista. That, like everything else, is subject to change. BTW, many people consider 'man' to be an acronym for Much About Nothing. Therein lies the reason that O'Reilly has make a fortune distributing 'How-To' books. I own a shelf full of O'Reilly books. If I get my softs for free, I don't mind paying for extra documentation. I have a whole wall in my office filled with mostly O'Reilly books dealing with everything from Postfix, Sendmail, etc. to common tasks like Regular Expressions, Sed Awk, ad-infinitum. Contrary to you statement, the 'man' for most products, commands, etc. is usually quite weak. Hence the acronym I previously described. At best it only touches the surface. There are a few exceptions, but they are few and far between. When I pay for software, I expect it to be thoroughly documented (à la AutoCAD with a big thick manual). IBM did a study approximately 10 years ago regarding software documentation included with the software. They found what most users all ready knew; most end users NEVER read the documentation. They either use on-line help or telephone support. IBM, Microsoft and most other major software publishers saved millions by discarding what the end user was all ready discarding; i.e. the MANUAL. Norton I believe is still one of the few that produces a fairly concise
Re: installing freebsd on windows
got completely off topic. please get that discussion off the list FreeBSD is not windows program, but standalone OS. Possibly it can be run under windows and some kind of VM but it should be discussed on windows support list etc. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
Wojciech Puchar wrote: got completely off topic. please get that discussion off the list FreeBSD is not windows program, but standalone OS. Possibly it can be run under windows and some kind of VM but it should be discussed on windows support list etc. ___ I'm sorry that I even brought up the windows and freebsd questions if it was going to bring out such nonsense answers or atitudes from some. I was always told that to learn about something is to ask the question no matter how silly it may be. Harold ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote: If the connection is down, I am probably NOT using the PC. Hell, if the power is out for more than 30 minutes, my UPS is dead so I am most definitely not using the machine. So you never experience connectivity problems for any reason other than a local power failure? Astonishing! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Heller-Johnson syndrome (Re: installing freebsd on windows)
Heller's Law: The first myth of management is that it exists. Johnson's Corollary: Nobody really knows what is going on anywhere within the organization. Author unknown: If someone *does* know what is going on in the organization, that person must be fired. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
Harold Hartley wrote: I am wondering if the freebsd team has ever thought of making freebsd to install on windows like ubuntu does. Sorry - I am not quite certain what you mean by this. FreeBSD is an operating system, just as Windows, Linux, Solaris, etc are different operating systems. If you mean as in a dual-boot configuration it is doable and has been done by users for many years. It is easiest to install Windows first and leave sufficient free space on the rest of the hard drive into which FreeBSD can be installed. As to boot loaders there is a choice to make, but some form of boot loader which presents a menu at boot time will enable one to choose which OS to enter. Much of this requires knowledge a neophyte may not possess. While there is much excellent documentation within the FreeBSD project, it may not be easy stuff for the non-computer geek. However, with study, patience, and some degree of trial and error the knowledge is ultimately attainable. I'm just a person that can't afford more than one computer cause I live in a nursing home and I would like to be able to use one computer to choose what I want to boot into, such as windows or unbuntu and maybe a freebsd choice. While I don't wish to enter the desktop flame war, FreeBSD can make an excellent desktop. There are even a couple of desktop oriented projects which are probably easier for a beginner to get going with. One thing you should probably be aware of though - in spite of the above statement FreeBSD has historically been more server oriented. If you are not a system administrator in a data center running servers there is less impetus for you to choose it as a desktop OS. If you are already utilizing a Linux desktop such as Ubuntu with Gnome or KDE and are satisfied you may only be duplicating your efforts for no real particular advantage. FreeBSD is historically a better server operating system. I don't always want to boot into windows, except for the 3 apps I have to use windows for. Lol! The opposite is true for me. I keep a VirtualBox VM with Windows XP handy in case I need some Windows app temporarily (Office). I do boot into ubuntu 90% of the time and enjoy it so much, but I have read about freebsd and researched it fully and I wish I could be able to run freebsd as with all the apps freebsd has to offer. I would love to be able to install freebsd under windows so I could choose freebsd to boot into when I want. If you have a sufficiently powerful machine you can use a Virtual Machine such as VMware or VirtualBox where you can install and run other operating systems in a virtual environment. This is opposed to the dual-boot described above, as it enables you to run multiple Virtual computers at the same time - no need to reboot. This is also a great way to go if you want to experiment with varieties of different software(s) without trashing your main operating system. These VMs are all available as packages for Ubuntu. I hope to hear from freebsd about my request, and by the way, I'm not a linux expert so I don't know everything about linux, but I'm always learning. IMHO learning is a good thing. You should know that we are not FreeBSD, but rather a mailing list of people who use FreeBSD. Communities of aficionados will be quite diverse, but while many in a hardcore Unix group will be sympathetic to a point many others will not. YMMV I noticed quite a few years ago a striking difference between the Microsoftian Windows world and Unix. Many in the Windows world pop a disk in a machine and click OK in a dialog box a few dozen times and consider themselves instant Computer Knowledgeable. I work in both environments and one thing attracting me more to the Unix world was the fact that many more Unix workers were college graduates with Computer Science degrees. It is very easy for such highly educated individuals to look down upon those from the Windows universe. One group knows what the other is missing, in spite of the fact the other may not. Couple that with geeky personalities in general and it can be abrasive at times. Such highly educated people typically can seem somewhat intolerant towards those who haven't yet acquired a certain ground floor skill level. Many others are more welcoming when they perceive someone who truly wants to learn. again: YMMV! Don't let it discourage you from learning. Learning new stuff constantly is a good thing, and if you don't push a little into uncharted territory you'll stagnate, and that's just not interesting. Just my $.02:-) -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 01:03:59AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a couple of months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop and I love it. On reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the developers have done an excellent job of course. windows vista runs well too on overmuscled hardware. No it doesn't. It doesn't run well on any hardware because it's got things like a file manager that is broken for all intents and purposes. No virtual desktops, undocumented shell etc. Just i don't understand the idea of wasting the power of good hardware just to waste. IMO, making the user experience a little less daunting is a good use of hardware. Saying that, I've introduced my nephew (age 14) to FreeBSD proper. He made good progress and managed to build himself a PC (with some brief written instructions from me) and to install but came unstuck on an unsupported video card and lack of a decent 'net connection. But I'll fix him up when I go out to Oz later this year by which time he should have broadband. I wanted him to have a sound understanding of the fundamentals and how everything fits together. I don't think PC-BSD would have done that. But a copy of FreeBSD 7.0 (downloaded at school), a book on vim and a book on ksh should give him a good start to computing nirvana ;) Sorry if I've strayed off-topic. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:50:40 + Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 01:03:59AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a couple of months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop and I love it. On reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the developers have done an excellent job of course. windows vista runs well too on overmuscled hardware. No it doesn't. It doesn't run well on any hardware because it's got things like a file manager that is broken for all intents and purposes. No virtual desktops, undocumented shell etc. Actually, it supports at least four that I know of. You can Google for the information. MS Windows is probably the best documented piece of software around. What is it you are looking for? -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com A bore is a man who talks so much about himself that you can't talk about yourself. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 08:31:31AM -0400, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:50:40 + Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 01:03:59AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a couple of months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop and I love it. On reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the developers have done an excellent job of course. windows vista runs well too on overmuscled hardware. No it doesn't. It doesn't run well on any hardware because it's got things like a file manager that is broken for all intents and purposes. No virtual desktops, undocumented shell etc. Actually, it supports at least four that I know of. You can Google for the information. Four of what? Why do I have to Google the info? Shouldn't there be a copy of the info locally? I can google for unbroken filemanagers, documented shells, install cygwin etc. but the software as it stands is horribly inadequate and undocumented. MS Windows is probably the best documented piece of software around. Are you being sarcastic? Where's the Handbook like FreeBSDs? You can read the source can you? I can't. Maybe I'm just getting old but Vista documentation seems to be scattered to hell and west over the 'net - if you can find what you're looking for at all. What is it you are looking for? Where are the documents for using their crappy filemanager? There are some with what they call, exaggeratingly, their help system but they are useless compared to any unix documentation. Probably there are a limited number of ways you can describe such an excrescance as the Vista Explorer replacement. Where are the manpages for their shell? They should at least have some documentation that comes with the OS that lists and describes the commands it supports. It doesn't. I'm looking for an OS with a sane file hierarchy and a shell I can use to manage the files therein. An editor better than Notepad would be a bonus too. Extensive documentation on the machine is a must. I've searched on google for documentation on the powershell to no avail. All the docs as such seem to be available if you are a member of MSDN - I presume so anyway, but for the general public they don't seem to be readily available. In short, I gave Vista a decent shot (I quite like XP) but it was like wading through treacle and I thought that if I am to get the best out of it, I'm probably going to have to sign up for MSDN and download vast amounts of missing software and spend inordinate amounts of time on google. The cost and time benefits didn't seem worth it since I'm quite happy with FreeBSD and there's only one Windows only application that I use: AutoCAD; for that I maintain an XP installation. Staying on topic, my advice to the original poster is to dump Windows and use FreeBSD - it's better documented and you can either use WINE to run your must have Windows programs or have a separate Windows partition. With a bit of luck your Windows must haves will eventually have unix replacements. -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com A bore is a man who talks so much about himself that you can't talk about yourself. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 08:31:31AM -0400, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:50:40 + Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 01:03:59AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a couple of months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop and I love it. On reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the developers have done an excellent job of course. windows vista runs well too on overmuscled hardware. No it doesn't. It doesn't run well on any hardware because it's got things like a file manager that is broken for all intents and purposes. No virtual desktops, undocumented shell etc. Actually, it supports at least four that I know of. You can Google for the information. Four of what? Why do I have to Google the info? Shouldn't there be a copy of the info locally? Want to download the Internet? Ok, as soon as 5 minutes pass from the download, your copy is old. I can google for unbroken filemanagers, documented shells, install cygwin etc. but the software as it stands is horribly inadequate and undocumented. MS Windows is probably the best documented piece of software around. I can see that perception. Depends on where you look though. Limiting yourself to one source (google) or another (MSDN) isn't wise, because google will give you real-world experience and help, whereas MSDN is documented as it SHOULD operate and RECOMMENDED practices. Are you being sarcastic? I'm not. Where's the Handbook like FreeBSDs? Write one, publish it. You can read the source can you? I can't. Maybe I'm just getting old but Vista documentation seems to be scattered to hell and west over the 'net - if you can find what you're looking for at all. Because not a single admin works the same as the next. People with Windows mindset will work in one way, people with Linux mindset will work another, and people with OS X mindset will work in a 3rd way, all unique.so What is it you are looking for? Where are the documents for using their crappy filemanager? There are some with what they call, exaggeratingly, their help system but they are useless compared to any unix documentation. Probably there are a limited number of ways you can describe such an excrescance as the Vista Explorer replacement. Useless insults aside, there is a difference in the help systems for the desktop systems, versus the server systems. 2008 is a good mix, although it's not unix. OS X 10.5, Leopard is certified unix, and still doesn't feel as natural (or useful) as BSD or Linux does. If you want to know why, let me know. Where are the manpages for their shell? They should at least have some documentation that comes with the OS that lists and describes the commands it supports. It doesn't. manpages aren't an Internet thing. It's not an RFC standard. MS Windows has command line help, you use /? that works for most apps. cmd /? I'm looking for an OS with a sane file hierarchy and a shell I can use to manage the files therein. An editor better than Notepad would be a bonus too. I see the sense in C:\Users I see the sense in C:\Documents and Settings I see the sense in C:\WINDOWS I see the sense in using CMD.exe -- after all, the dos box has been around forever An editor better than Notepad? MS Write. And then MS Office/Word, then OpenOffice. Somewhere there's Abiwrite. Of all these 5, only one is commercial software. Extensive documentation on the machine is a must. Nope. That's a personal belief, one that isn't a must. You're imagining things on that. I've searched on google for documentation on the powershell to no avail. All the docs as such seem to be available if you are a member of MSDN - I presume so anyway, but for the general public they don't seem to be readily available. PowerShell is still new.. If you want documentation, MS Press makes a windows 2008 resource kit including a book called 'Windows PowerShell Scripting Guide' that's over 600 pages. Not all resources have to be google-able. Spend a few bucks and buy something that'll help you... it'll benefit you too. In short, I gave Vista a decent shot (I quite like XP) but it was like wading through treacle and I thought that if I am to get the best out of it, I'm probably going to have to sign up for MSDN and download vast amounts of missing software and spend inordinate amounts of time on google. Books. Or get something like a Safari Books Online subscription and then start reading the info online... same books, online. Save a tree. The cost and time benefits didn't seem worth it since I'm quite happy with FreeBSD and there's only one Windows only application that I use: AutoCAD; for that I maintain an XP installation. Staying on topic, my advice to the original poster is to dump Windows and use
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 10:09:52AM -0600, Tim Judd wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 08:31:31AM -0400, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:50:40 + Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 01:03:59AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a couple of months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop and I love it. On reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the developers have done an excellent job of course. windows vista runs well too on overmuscled hardware. No it doesn't. It doesn't run well on any hardware because it's got things like a file manager that is broken for all intents and purposes. No virtual desktops, undocumented shell etc. Actually, it supports at least four that I know of. You can Google for the information. Four of what? Why do I have to Google the info? Shouldn't there be a copy of the info locally? Want to download the Internet? Ok, as soon as 5 minutes pass from the download, your copy is old. So you're trying to say that all local documentation is useless because it's out of date after 5 minutes? Sit back and work out why your statement is retarded. I can google for unbroken filemanagers, documented shells, install cygwin etc. but the software as it stands is horribly inadequate and undocumented. MS Windows is probably the best documented piece of software around. I can see that perception. That's right it's a perception - a wrong one. Depends on where you look though. Limiting yourself to one source (google) or another (MSDN) isn't wise, because google will give you real-world experience and help, whereas MSDN is documented as it SHOULD operate and RECOMMENDED practices. MSDN cost money last time I looked. Are you being sarcastic? I'm not. I didn't ask you. Where's the Handbook like FreeBSDs? Write one, publish it. You're being bloody silly now. You can read the source can you? I can't. Maybe I'm just getting old but Vista documentation seems to be scattered to hell and west over the 'net - if you can find what you're looking for at all. Because not a single admin works the same as the next. People with Windows mindset will work in one way, people with Linux mindset will work another, and people with OS X mindset will work in a 3rd way, all unique.so There's one recommended and widely respected way of working with anything vaguely technical: read grok it's documentation. What is it you are looking for? Where are the documents for using their crappy filemanager? There are some with what they call, exaggeratingly, their help system but they are useless compared to any unix documentation. Probably there are a limited number of ways you can describe such an excrescance as the Vista Explorer replacement. Useless insults aside, there is a difference in the help systems for the desktop systems, versus the server systems. 2008 is a good mix, although it's not unix. So you're saying you get decent docs with 2008 and not with the desktop systems? If not what exactly are you trying to say? OS X 10.5, Leopard is certified unix, and still doesn't feel as natural (or useful) as BSD or Linux does. If you want to know why, let me know. I don't want to know and with all due respect if I wanted to know I wouldn't ask you. Where are the manpages for their shell? They should at least have some documentation that comes with the OS that lists and describes the commands it supports. It doesn't. manpages aren't an Internet thing. It's not an RFC standard. No shit, Sherlock. Did I say that manpages are an Internet thing? MS Windows has command line help, you use /? that works for most apps. cmd /? So I want to know how the file manager on Vista works. Since I don't even know what it's called, how does your nugget of information help me? I'm looking for an OS with a sane file hierarchy and a shell I can use to manage the files therein. An editor better than Notepad would be a bonus too. I see the sense in C:\Users I see the sense in C:\Documents and Settings I see the sense in C:\WINDOWS Tell me where the hosts file is? And then tell me how much sense that makes. I see the sense in using CMD.exe -- after all, the dos box has been around forever and it wasn't called cmd.exe then. Fail. An editor better than Notepad? MS Write. And then MS Office/Word, then OpenOffice. Somewhere there's Abiwrite. Of all these 5, only one is commercial software. Those are wordprocessors not editors. None ship with the OS. Fail. Extensive documentation on the machine is a must. Nope. That's a personal belief, one that isn't a must. You're imagining things on that. No, I'm not. Software without
Re: installing freebsd on windows
Tim Judd wrote: I'm looking for an OS with a sane file hierarchy and a shell I can use to manage the files therein. An editor better than Notepad would be a bonus too. I see the sense in C:\Users I see the sense in C:\Documents and Settings I see the sense in C:\WINDOWS I see the sense in using CMD.exe -- after all, the dos box has been around forever Not trying to start, continue, or add fuel to a flamewar or whatever, but you can expand on how you can make sense of C:\Users and C:\Documents and Settings existing at the same time? Shouldn't Users(the equiv of /home basically) contain therein all Documents and Settings. My idea would be to put settings in logically named hidden files preceded by a '.' ;) The new windows method is as irksome and confusing as the old method. Also FYI, there is no comparison between ping /? and man ping. Man pages offer a completely different level of insight into a command, and it is exponentially more efficient than any windows method to date. Finally trying to run your computer without documentation is like trying to run your car with an owners manual. Ever try to find the fuel cutoff switch on a 1987 Ford EXP? Trust me, it goes a lot faster with the manual and that's why such things are standard--consumers expect it. Also please note I do firmly believe there is a place in this world for windows. That some people would expect a single mother working as a nurse to come home take care of the kids, and be able to make flash 9 work so she can partake in other common activities on the internet, or resolve dependency issues(on the computer) seems more than a bit asinine to me. However the place for windows is not on my desktop except for work which mainly serves as a repository for putty sessions. Even that limited use will hopefully come to an end soon. -- Adam Vandemore Systems Administrator IMED Mobility (605) 498-1610 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
have any of you flamers stopped to try and help the OP? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
Wojciech Puchar wrote: PC-BSD===http://www.pcbsd.org/ DesktopBSD===http://www.desktopbsd.net/ And PC-BSD even provides an installer (PBI) that makes Windows users feel at home: Download something from the web manually, then click next, next, next, finish and have an application installed. :-) even more - it's even as slow and messy as windows. no idea about stability - possibly it's better. personally - i've tried once PC-BSD, removed it one hour after installing. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a couple of months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop and I love it. On reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the developers have done an excellent job and it's really come of age recently. I now spend almost zero time maintaining and tweaking my computer (apart from from some laptop acpi teething troubles). I used to keep Windows XP handy for a diminishing number of things, now it is truly redundant. It's personal choice not a hard and fast rule. Everyone has different circumstances. If I was using old hardware, as I think you do, I would probably think differently but on this 2GHz 1GB ram machine it's great, and I still have FreeBSD underneath to play with if I want. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
It's certainly not slow and messy here. I installed PCBSD a couple of months ago after a few years of rolling my own desktop and I love it. On reasonable spec hardware it runs very well, the developers have done an excellent job of course. windows vista runs well too on overmuscled hardware. Just i don't understand the idea of wasting the power of good hardware just to waste. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Leslie Jensen les...@eskk.nu wrote: For testing purposes I've used Suns VirtualBox under Windows, it runs under Linux as well. (Free)BSD installs well and it can give you a first impression on how it works. There are some settings that you must keep in mind, disk size can't be dynamic. You can use the VirtualBox forums for more information. /Leslie VirtualBox is really great for no-hassles virtualisation for newbies. I rely on it too. But, I haven't had a good experience with FreeBSD 7.0 on VirtualBox, too many kernel panics. And it's not just me there are lots of people who have had the same problem with no evident solution. I am not discouraging this solution but informing of a problem that I have faced. If there's a work around for that, I'd be happy to try it myself. -- Am I SHOPLIFTING? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:30:31AM +0530, Mehul Ved typed: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Leslie Jensen les...@eskk.nu wrote: For testing purposes I've used Suns VirtualBox under Windows, it runs under Linux as well. (Free)BSD installs well and it can give you a first impression on how it works. There are some settings that you must keep in mind, disk size can't be dynamic. You can use the VirtualBox forums for more information. /Leslie VirtualBox is really great for no-hassles virtualisation for newbies. I rely on it too. But, I haven't had a good experience with FreeBSD 7.0 on VirtualBox, too many kernel panics. And it's not just me there are lots of people who have had the same problem with no evident solution. I am not discouraging this solution but informing of a problem that I have faced. If there's a work around for that, I'd be happy to try it myself. What worked for me was enabling VT-x/AMD-V in Virtualbox. No more panics since. Ruben ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Ruben de Groot mai...@bzerk.org wrote: What worked for me was enabling VT-x/AMD-V in Virtualbox. No more panics since. If I am correct, that requires hardware with virtualisation support. That's not the case with my old P4. -- Am I SHOPLIFTING? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Bruce Anthony Grobler br...@yoafrica.com wrote: As long as you have enough ram ( I'd say at least a gig) try VMware Server 1.1/2.0. I have production machines (including two freebsd 7.1 vm's) running on a VMware Server 2.0 working very well with the host having 3 gigs of ram, I do have 1.5GB of RAM. Will consider trying it on VMWare or maybe if I can get less lazy, nothing like installing it on hard disk. -- Am I SHOPLIFTING? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
install on windows like ubuntu does. FreeBSD is separate independent OS. it simply doesn't make sense. I'm just a person that can't afford more than one computer cause I live in a nursing home and I would like to be able to use one computer to choose what I what a problem to create partition for FreeBSD? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Or does freebsd offer a choice to install without messing anything up. It's a professional operating system, of course it does. :-) (FreeBSD exactly does what you tell it to do, nothing more and nothing less.) maybe that's why it's told to be so difficult for most people ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
PC-BSD === http://www.pcbsd.org/ DesktopBSD === http://www.desktopbsd.net/ And PC-BSD even provides an installer (PBI) that makes Windows users feel at home: Download something from the web manually, then click next, next, next, finish and have an application installed. :-) even more - it's even as slow and messy as windows. no idea about stability - possibly it's better. personally - i've tried once PC-BSD, removed it one hour after installing. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:12:39 -0400 Harold Hartley wheelie...@gwi.net wrote: I am wondering if the freebsd team has ever thought of making freebsd to install on windows like ubuntu does. I'm just a person that can't afford more than one computer cause I live in a nursing home and I would like to be able to use one computer to choose what I want to boot into, such as windows or unbuntu and maybe a freebsd choice. I don't always want to boot into windows, except for the 3 apps I have to use windows for. I do boot into ubuntu 90% of the time and enjoy it so much, but I have read about freebsd and researched it fully and I wish I could be able to run freebsd as with all the apps freebsd has to offer. I would love to be able to install freebsd under windows so I could choose freebsd to boot into when I want. I hope to hear from freebsd about my request, and by the way, I'm not a linux expert so I don't know everything about linux, but I'm always learning. If you are interested in using a virtual machine, these two URLs might prove useful. http://www.microsoft.com/virtualization/default.mspx?WT.mc_id=13E48F94-882A-43DB-9ED5-BBC184D75FC7WT.srch=1mode=1CR_ID=-1CR_TC=9OSUHTJXBB2LNZC http://vpc.visualwin.com/index.aspx FreeBSD is fully supported according to the documentation. -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com Systems programmers are the high priests of a low cult. R. S. Barton signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 09:12:39PM -0400, Harold Hartley wrote: I am wondering if the freebsd team has ever thought of making freebsd to install on windows like ubuntu does. I don't know what Ubuntu does. But, you can install FreeBSD on a machine that also runs MS-Win. The traditional way is to 'dual-boot' the machine. But, you can also install some virtual machine software and run both under that. You can also install wine and run MS-Win stuff on FreeBSD. There are some limits to that I think, but people do it. I run a dual (or triple) boot. It is documented in the handbook and works just fine. I'm just a person that can't afford more than one computer cause I live in a nursing home and I would like to be able to use one computer to choose what I want to boot into, such as windows or unbuntu and maybe a freebsd choice. I don't always want to boot into windows, except for the 3 apps I have to use windows for. Basically, that is what I do. Mostly I boot FreeBSD and use it for my desktop. But, sometimes I need to use Photoshop which I have on the MS-Win side and printing labels seems to work better with Word than Openoffice, so I boot MS-Win for those. jerry I do boot into ubuntu 90% of the time and enjoy it so much, but I have read about freebsd and researched it fully and I wish I could be able to run freebsd as with all the apps freebsd has to offer. I would love to be able to install freebsd under windows so I could choose freebsd to boot into when I want. I hope to hear from freebsd about my request, and by the way, I'm not a linux expert so I don't know everything about linux, but I'm always learning. Thanks Harold Hartley 158 Russell Street Lewiston, Maine 04240 wheelie...@gwi.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: I don't know what Ubuntu does. What ubuntu does is 1) Install ubuntu as a windows program 2) Run the ubuntu installer as any other win32 installer 3) Ubuntu is installed on a clean NTFS partition 4) Use windows bootloader So, you install and uninstall ubuntu from within windows. But, to switch between windows and ubuntu you have to reboot. This is what I have gathered from other people. I haven't used it myself. Probably the wubi[1] page would have more information on this. 1. http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php#internals -- Twenty Percent of Zero is Better than Nothing. -- Walt Kelly ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 08:22:31PM +0530, Mehul Ved wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: I don't know what Ubuntu does. What ubuntu does is 1) Install ubuntu as a windows program 2) Run the ubuntu installer as any other win32 installer 3) Ubuntu is installed on a clean NTFS partition 4) Use windows bootloader So, you install and uninstall ubuntu from within windows. But, to switch between windows and ubuntu you have to reboot. This is what I have gathered from other people. I haven't used it myself. Probably the wubi[1] page would have more information on this. 1. http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php#internals Thanks for the explanation. I would rather have FreeBSD installed on a good UFS2 slice than an NTFS partition. I would much rather have it cleanly separate from MS-Win - not even booting it.I don't want my FreeBSD system dragged down by MS baggage. jerry -- Twenty Percent of Zero is Better than Nothing. -- Walt Kelly ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Vasadi I. Claudiu Florin claudiu.vas...@gmail.com wrote: No affence here but if you want to just click, click, next, finish, stick to mtfk ubuntu we dnt need u No offence. But please read before sending the email. -- Twenty Percent of Zero is Better than Nothing. -- Walt Kelly ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
Jerry McAllister wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 09:12:39PM -0400, Harold Hartley wrote: I am wondering if the freebsd team has ever thought of making freebsd to install on windows like ubuntu does. I don't know what Ubuntu does. But, you can install FreeBSD on a machine that also runs MS-Win. The traditional way is to 'dual-boot' the machine. But, you can also install some virtual machine software and run both under that. its worth noting that you can install freebsd to the same HD as windows under vmware on windows. its not very complicated. also worth noting is that the proper version of XP will run under vmware/native with only a hardware profile. effectively you can run windows from freebsd, and vice versa. and yes, the vmware version 3 on freebsd. You can also install wine and run MS-Win stuff on FreeBSD. There are some limits to that I think, but people do it. I run a dual (or triple) boot. It is documented in the handbook and works just fine. I'm just a person that can't afford more than one computer cause I live in a nursing home and I would like to be able to use one computer to choose what I want to boot into, such as windows or unbuntu and maybe a freebsd choice. I don't always want to boot into windows, except for the 3 apps I have to use windows for. Basically, that is what I do. Mostly I boot FreeBSD and use it for my desktop. But, sometimes I need to use Photoshop which I have on the MS-Win side and printing labels seems to work better with Word than Openoffice, so I boot MS-Win for those. jerry I do boot into ubuntu 90% of the time and enjoy it so much, but I have read about freebsd and researched it fully and I wish I could be able to run freebsd as with all the apps freebsd has to offer. I would love to be able to install freebsd under windows so I could choose freebsd to boot into when I want. I hope to hear from freebsd about my request, and by the way, I'm not a linux expert so I don't know everything about linux, but I'm always learning. Thanks Harold Hartley 158 Russell Street Lewiston, Maine 04240 wheelie...@gwi.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
installing freebsd on windows
I am wondering if the freebsd team has ever thought of making freebsd to install on windows like ubuntu does. I'm just a person that can't afford more than one computer cause I live in a nursing home and I would like to be able to use one computer to choose what I want to boot into, such as windows or unbuntu and maybe a freebsd choice. I don't always want to boot into windows, except for the 3 apps I have to use windows for. I do boot into ubuntu 90% of the time and enjoy it so much, but I have read about freebsd and researched it fully and I wish I could be able to run freebsd as with all the apps freebsd has to offer. I would love to be able to install freebsd under windows so I could choose freebsd to boot into when I want. I hope to hear from freebsd about my request, and by the way, I'm not a linux expert so I don't know everything about linux, but I'm always learning. Thanks Harold Hartley 158 Russell Street Lewiston, Maine 04240 wheelie...@gwi.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:12:39 -0400, Harold Hartley wheelie...@gwi.net wrote: I am wondering if the freebsd team has ever thought of making freebsd to install on windows like ubuntu does. I'm not sure I do understand install FreeBSD on 'Windows' - what does on refer to? a) Start an installer from within Windows that installs FreeBSD on the system b) Run FreeBSD within Windows by means of an emulator c) Run FreeBSD as an application in Windows In DOS times, there was a tool that booted Linux from within DOS. Because things are more complicated in Windows, I don't think such a tool does exist - it would have to kick Windows out of memory, and we know that it doesn't like that. :-) But it's still possible to use FreeBSD without leaving Windows. You need an emulator. I don't know how they are called in Windows, but they do exist in FreeBSD as well, for example qemu. In Windows, there's VMWare that you can buy. Using such a means of emulation, you can install FreeBSD on a virtual PC and then use it as it would run on bare metal. I'm just a person that can't afford more than one computer cause I live in a nursing home and I would like to be able to use one computer to choose what I want to boot into, such as windows or unbuntu and maybe a freebsd choice. Then you would need to install FreeBSD on this box. This is easily be done by downloading the proper ISO from the FTP server or FreeBSD's web page. See the excellent documentation in the handbook (on the web page, too) to learn how this is done. I do boot into ubuntu 90% of the time and enjoy it so much, but I have read about freebsd and researched it fully and I wish I could be able to run freebsd as with all the apps freebsd has to offer. I would love to be able to install freebsd under windows so I could choose freebsd to boot into when I want. There's no need to think so complicated. You start the computer using the bootable CD or DVD, then install the OS (just as you installed Ubuntu) and then instruct your boot manager to add a new entry for FreeBSD. That's all. I hope I'm not saying anything incorrect, but to answer your main question: No, it's not possible to install FreeBSD in Windows. What you want to achieve has nothing to do with Windows, just ignore it. I hope to hear from freebsd about my request, and by the way, I'm not a linux expert so I don't know everything about linux, but I'm always learning. FreeBSD's documentation (the handbook and the FAQ, to be found on FreeBSD's web site) will help you to do so. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:59:40 -0400, Harold Hartley wheelie...@gwi.net wrote: Ubuntu uses wubi installer like an application and can be uninstalled if anyone didn't like it. And it sets it up at the boot up time a list to choose from. That is about what I was talking about. Okay, I do understand. I haven't used any MICROS~1 products yet, and I've installed Ubuntu just from its CD or DVD for testing purposes, but I'm not a Linux user, so I definitely don't have much experience in this sector. I'm not sure how they did that using the wubi installer But if freebsd could do something like that, it would be great. Hmmm... I may still ask: What should it be good for, exactly? Those who want to use FreeBSD usually install it by one of the standard means. They usually don't have Windows or do already want to use a two-or-more-OS system, but they don't run the installer from within Windows. (Side note: I think there's already a tool that lets you install FreeBSD from within Linux, useful if you want to replace an already pre-loaded OS on a server where you don't have physical access to simply put in the FreeBSD installation CD.) Those who want to try FreeBSD don't install it, they run it from a live system CD (e. g. FreeSBIE) or use it in an emulator (and install it there). Furthermore, there's VirtualBSD: http://www.virtualbsd.info/ for maximum Windows compatibility. :-) But will it over write the bootup list or the windows or ubuntu software. No. At installation time, you can instruct it to leave the boot area of your hard disk untouched. The only thing you may need is to put a setting into the boot manager you're using at the moment to boot between Ubuntu and Windows so it can also boot into FreeBSD. Maybe your boot manager automatically detects the new OS and adds a choice by itself. You can, however, use FreeBSD's boot manager to make the boot selection at system startup. Everything you need is some disk space on your hard disk (not occupied by any slice, partition how it's called by Windows). The installer allows you to delete anything existing (what you don't need anymore) and create a slice to install FreeBSD in. You can also install it on another (physical) hard disk. Or does freebsd offer a choice to install without messing anything up. It's a professional operating system, of course it does. :-) (FreeBSD exactly does what you tell it to do, nothing more and nothing less.) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Harold Hartley wheelie...@gwi.net wrote: I am wondering if the freebsd team has ever thought of making freebsd to install on windows like ubuntu does. In www.microsoft.com , search Virtual PC in Search Microsoft.com . There will be a result among many others : http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/97a74f0e-798d-45ff-b9bf-7feed68c40e51033.mspx Virtual PC is free of charge . If you can install Virtual PC ( any of them suitable to your hardware and Windows version ) you may try to use FreeBSD . Personally I did not try it . Good luck to you . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:30:58 -0400, Harold Hartley wheelie...@gwi.net wrote: Some may be running windows and may want to try freebsd and doesn't want to rid windows. But if something could be done to make it easy enough for those that doesn't know how to install freebsd or something of that sort. I think the FreeBSD documentation makes it easy enough. :-) NBo, honestly: It's so easy, simply put in the CD and follow the instructions on the screen. There's no black magic involved. I know how to install linux to a drive without other OS's on it and I know how to use the command line to install or setup other apps like flash or java and other apps that need other commands. But I'm sure others are not familiar with using the command line and such for installing a OS. But then, FreeBSD surely isn't for them. For those users, PC-BSD and DesktopBSD are much better ways to go. They do still have a functional FreeBSD OS, but the installer is with nice graphics and guides them through a next, next, next, next, next, reboot procedure as they know it from Windows. If you want to have a look at it, these are the homepages: PC-BSD ===http://www.pcbsd.org/ DesktopBSD ===http://www.desktopbsd.net/ And PC-BSD even provides an installer (PBI) that makes Windows users feel at home: Download something from the web manually, then click next, next, next, finish and have an application installed. :-) I really am interested in freebsd, but I don't want to mess up my OS's on my drive either. You don't need to be frightened of that. In order to wipe off something you still need, you will have to be VERY stupid. :-) FreeBSD provides means that warn you if you're accidentally doing something wrong. But please keep in mind that FreeBSD relies on the circumstance that IF you instruct it to do something, you're SURE that you want to do so. Everything you need is some free space on the disk. Anything else keeps unmodified. My main interest is wanting to learn how to develop code on linux and/or freebsd. Then you won't encounter any problems. As a Linux user, you're already equipped with basic UNIX knowledge that will help you to understand FreeBSD. If I had a second drive on my computer, could I install freebsd on the 2nd drive and still select it from the boot list Of course. As I mentioned, your boot manager will have to know about the new OS, either by you (putting the correct information into it) or by itself (autodetection of a second hard disk with a valid boot block). Maybe I should take this to the other topic of the mailing list. I noticed you CC to the freebsd-questions list. Is that the list I need to continue my questions on. Yes. I think it's okay to CC the list because our conversation may be helpful to others. I'm not intending something evil. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: installing freebsd on windows
Harold Hartley skrev: I am wondering if the freebsd team has ever thought of making freebsd to install on windows like ubuntu does. I'm just a person that can't afford more than one computer cause I live in a nursing home and I would like to be able to use one computer to choose what I want to boot into, such as windows or unbuntu and maybe a freebsd choice. I don't always want to boot into windows, except for the 3 apps I have to use windows for. I do boot into ubuntu 90% of the time and enjoy it so much, but I have read about freebsd and researched it fully and I wish I could be able to run freebsd as with all the apps freebsd has to offer. I would love to be able to install freebsd under windows so I could choose freebsd to boot into when I want. I hope to hear from freebsd about my request, and by the way, I'm not a linux expert so I don't know everything about linux, but I'm always learning. Thanks Harold Hartley 158 Russell Street Lewiston, Maine 04240 wheelie...@gwi.net For testing purposes I've used Suns VirtualBox under Windows, it runs under Linux as well. (Free)BSD installs well and it can give you a first impression on how it works. There are some settings that you must keep in mind, disk size can't be dynamic. You can use the VirtualBox forums for more information. /Leslie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:05:42PM -0800, tsai wrote: Jerry, You read my mind. That was going to be my next question; how to get around the proprietary recovery section HP installed from the start. You hit the nail on the head! I will try this soon. Yup. Basically, you just ignore it, leave it alone - anyway as long as MS-SP isn't bothered by it. jerry I have a HP laptop which came with a recovery partition. I don't have windows on the laptop now but I used to and: a) somewhere there is a utility to make recovery dvds which do the same job so you can remove the recovery partition. b) there is a HP backup and recovery utility - you might have to install it from the HP software. There is an option to remove the recovery partition with it. The dvd creation utility might be part of the back and recovery partition. I've used the recovery dvd's 2 or 3 times, they work fine, including recreating the recovery partition. Sorry i can't give you more exact details, HTH. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:19:00PM +, Chris Whitehouse wrote: Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:05:42PM -0800, tsai wrote: Jerry, You read my mind. That was going to be my next question; how to get around the proprietary recovery section HP installed from the start. You hit the nail on the head! I will try this soon. Yup. Basically, you just ignore it, leave it alone - anyway as long as MS-SP isn't bothered by it. jerry I have a HP laptop which came with a recovery partition. I don't have windows on the laptop now but I used to and: a) somewhere there is a utility to make recovery dvds which do the same job so you can remove the recovery partition. b) there is a HP backup and recovery utility - you might have to install it from the HP software. There is an option to remove the recovery partition with it. Sure, you can nuke the vendor maintenance slice if you want to and get rid of the MS stuff as well at the same time. But, the OP seemed to want to keep those and add FreeBSD to the system. jerry The dvd creation utility might be part of the back and recovery partition. I've used the recovery dvd's 2 or 3 times, they work fine, including recreating the recovery partition. Sorry i can't give you more exact details, HTH. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 18:05 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:19:00PM +, Chris Whitehouse wrote: Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:05:42PM -0800, tsai wrote: Jerry, You read my mind. That was going to be my next question; how to get around the proprietary recovery section HP installed from the start. You hit the nail on the head! I will try this soon. Yup. Basically, you just ignore it, leave it alone - anyway as long as MS-SP isn't bothered by it. jerry I have a HP laptop which came with a recovery partition. I don't have windows on the laptop now but I used to and: a) somewhere there is a utility to make recovery dvds which do the same job so you can remove the recovery partition. b) there is a HP backup and recovery utility - you might have to install it from the HP software. There is an option to remove the recovery partition with it. Sure, you can nuke the vendor maintenance slice if you want to and get rid of the MS stuff as well at the same time. But, the OP seemed to want to keep those and add FreeBSD to the system. jerry Thats how I read it too. That said I'll recognize you guys as the experts- its been years since I had to dual boot! I seem to have forgotten a lot of it... :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
Jerry McAllister wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:19:00PM +, Chris Whitehouse wrote: Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:05:42PM -0800, tsai wrote: Jerry, You read my mind. That was going to be my next question; how to get around the proprietary recovery section HP installed from the start. You hit the nail on the head! I will try this soon. Yup. Basically, you just ignore it, leave it alone - anyway as long as MS-SP isn't bothered by it. jerry I have a HP laptop which came with a recovery partition. I don't have windows on the laptop now but I used to and: a) somewhere there is a utility to make recovery dvds which do the same job so you can remove the recovery partition. b) there is a HP backup and recovery utility - you might have to install it from the HP software. There is an option to remove the recovery partition with it. Sure, you can nuke the vendor maintenance slice if you want to and get rid of the MS stuff as well at the same time. But, the OP seemed to want to keep those and add FreeBSD to the system. jerry I meant to suggest that you can put the recovery slice onto DVD to reclaim an additional 5gb disk space. So my whole procedure would be - create backup dvd's (with the HP backup and recovery manager software if I'm right in thinking that's where this utility lives). Test them! - get rid of the recovery slice using the backup and recovery manager. XP should now be the first slice (primary partition) if it wasn't already - use gparted or other suitable utility to shrink the XP slice - install FreeBSD in the new free space. If the laptop is still under warranty you probably need to be able to reinstall it to factory state before you can talk to them about a warranty claim - hence the recovery dvd's. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
Hi all, Is there a tutorial on how to install FreeBSD on a system which already has Windows XP on it? The goal is to have dual-boot with both. Thanks, tsai -- tsai ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
I used gparted (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ ) to move the XP partition to make room for fBSD. You make a bootable CD and I found it to be quite simple. Make sure that your XP partition is defragmented before using gparted. Otherwise, gparted will not let you manipulate the partition. Once you make a decent partition for fBSD (mine is around 25G), just follow fBSD's installation docs ( http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/install.html [+]) . Again, it's pretty easy. On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 8:13 AM, tsai tsai...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Is there a tutorial on how to install FreeBSD on a system which already has Windows XP on it? The goal is to have dual-boot with both. Thanks, tsai -- tsai ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- www.nealhogan.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 06:13:45AM -0800, tsai wrote: Hi all, Is there a tutorial on how to install FreeBSD on a system which already has Windows XP on it? The goal is to have dual-boot with both. The FreeBSD Handbook - free online at the FreeBSD web site - has a whole section on that. It is easy. The machine on which I am typing is dual boot with FreeBSD Win-XP. Basically, you first have to shrink the XP slice (which is called a primary partition in the MS world) to make room for FreeBSD. Probably the best utility for that nowdays is gpartd which is available for free. Just do a little search and then burn a bootable copy of it to a CD. It works with NTFS as well as other MS file system types and some other freeware does not. You can also use the Parition Magic commercial product, but stick with version 7 which works well as long as it is on a hard disk. Version 8 of Partition Magic doesn't work well. Neither of them work with USB connected drives even though Version 8 claims to do so. But, gpartd does also work with USB drives. After shrinking the MS slice, then create a second bootable slice - which they call a primary partition. It may complain a bit about having two primary partitions, but don't worry about that. Also, make sure the MS-XP slice is first on the drive. It gets confused if it is not the first bootable slice on the drive. FreeBSD is happy to boot from wherever you tell it. One small and esotheric exception is that some hardware companies such as Dell and HP, put a diagnostic slice (primary partition) in front of MS-Win on the disk. But they get around it by marking it as a 'hidden' primary partition so MS MBRs do not 'see' it and just ignore it. (But FreeBSD MBRs do see it and usually label it as ??? in the menu, leaving you to ignore it) So, leave that hardware maintenance slice where it is, have the MS-XP slice next followed by the FreeBSD slice and, if you find it useful, an additional small slice that you make in to a FAT32 type. If the MS-XP slice is NTFS, it is handy to have a FA32 type slice around to use to transfer files between MS and FreeBSD.Four or five GB should be plenty depending on your usage. Alternatively, if you have shrunk the MS slice down below the max size for Fat32, then you can just convert the NTFS system to FAT32. I don't remember if gpartd will do that, but Partition Magic (version 7) will do it nicely. That introduces some limitations, plus FAT is not thought to be quite as reliable as NTFS, but I have never had any problem doing that. If you have no need to transfer files between the systems, then it is a moot point and don't bother worrying about this. When you get done with all this, everything will look just the same to the MS-XP machine, except it will have less disk space. FreeBSD will see all those slices. Presuming all those slices I mentioned, they will be identified as follows. /dev/ad0s1 - Maintenance slice /dev/ad0s2 - XP slice (either NTFS or FAT32) /dev/ad0s3 - FreeBSD slice /dev/ad0s4 - Extra file transfer FAT32 slice Or, without the extras, it would be: /dev/ad0s1 - XP slice (either NTFS or FAT32) /dev/ad0s2 - FreeBSD slice That is for ATA or SATA drives. SCSI or SAS drives would be named /dev/da0... Once you have this slice creation done, just boot the sysinstall CD and install FreeBSD to the FreeBSD slice you created. It should see those slices and only write to the one you specify. Make it write the FreeBSD MBR (the MS MBR won't work) and select the option for making the slice bootable, just like you would if installing FreeBSD by itself on the disk. Everything else is just like a normal install. Note: Of course, the total size you have to deal with when you do the partitioning in to a for /, b for swap, d for whatever, etc will be the size of the slice you made for FreeBSD, not the size of the disk itself. Then when you boot, you will see a menu that asks you to select which bootable slice to boot and you specify it using the 'F' keys eg F1, F2, F3 and it should look something like this. F1 - ??? F2 - MS-DOS(or ??? if NTFS) F3 - FreeBSD If you make that extra file transfer FAT32 slice, do not mark that as bootable and it should not show up in the menu. But the maintenance slice will show up as F1 - ??? if you have one. Have fun, jerry Thanks, tsai -- tsai ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:05:42PM -0800, tsai wrote: Jerry, You read my mind. That was going to be my next question; how to get around the proprietary recovery section HP installed from the start. You hit the nail on the head! I will try this soon. Yup. Basically, you just ignore it, leave it alone - anyway as long as MS-SP isn't bothered by it. jerry Thanks, tsai On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 06:13:45AM -0800, tsai wrote: Hi all, Is there a tutorial on how to install FreeBSD on a system which already has Windows XP on it? The goal is to have dual-boot with both. The FreeBSD Handbook - free online at the FreeBSD web site - has a whole section on that. It is easy. The machine on which I am typing is dual boot with FreeBSD Win-XP. Basically, you first have to shrink the XP slice (which is called a primary partition in the MS world) to make room for FreeBSD. Probably the best utility for that nowdays is gpartd which is available for free. Just do a little search and then burn a bootable copy of it to a CD. It works with NTFS as well as other MS file system types and some other freeware does not. You can also use the Parition Magic commercial product, but stick with version 7 which works well as long as it is on a hard disk. Version 8 of Partition Magic doesn't work well. Neither of them work with USB connected drives even though Version 8 claims to do so. But, gpartd does also work with USB drives. After shrinking the MS slice, then create a second bootable slice - which they call a primary partition. It may complain a bit about having two primary partitions, but don't worry about that. Also, make sure the MS-XP slice is first on the drive. It gets confused if it is not the first bootable slice on the drive. FreeBSD is happy to boot from wherever you tell it. One small and esotheric exception is that some hardware companies such as Dell and HP, put a diagnostic slice (primary partition) in front of MS-Win on the disk. But they get around it by marking it as a 'hidden' primary partition so MS MBRs do not 'see' it and just ignore it. (But FreeBSD MBRs do see it and usually label it as ??? in the menu, leaving you to ignore it) So, leave that hardware maintenance slice where it is, have the MS-XP slice next followed by the FreeBSD slice and, if you find it useful, an additional small slice that you make in to a FAT32 type. If the MS-XP slice is NTFS, it is handy to have a FA32 type slice around to use to transfer files between MS and FreeBSD.Four or five GB should be plenty depending on your usage. Alternatively, if you have shrunk the MS slice down below the max size for Fat32, then you can just convert the NTFS system to FAT32. I don't remember if gpartd will do that, but Partition Magic (version 7) will do it nicely. That introduces some limitations, plus FAT is not thought to be quite as reliable as NTFS, but I have never had any problem doing that. If you have no need to transfer files between the systems, then it is a moot point and don't bother worrying about this. When you get done with all this, everything will look just the same to the MS-XP machine, except it will have less disk space. FreeBSD will see all those slices. Presuming all those slices I mentioned, they will be identified as follows. /dev/ad0s1 - Maintenance slice /dev/ad0s2 - XP slice (either NTFS or FAT32) /dev/ad0s3 - FreeBSD slice /dev/ad0s4 - Extra file transfer FAT32 slice Or, without the extras, it would be: /dev/ad0s1 - XP slice (either NTFS or FAT32) /dev/ad0s2 - FreeBSD slice That is for ATA or SATA drives. SCSI or SAS drives would be named /dev/da0... Once you have this slice creation done, just boot the sysinstall CD and install FreeBSD to the FreeBSD slice you created. It should see those slices and only write to the one you specify. Make it write the FreeBSD MBR (the MS MBR won't work) and select the option for making the slice bootable, just like you would if installing FreeBSD by itself on the disk. Everything else is just like a normal install. Note: Of course, the total size you have to deal with when you do the partitioning in to a for /, b for swap, d for whatever, etc will be the size of the slice you made for FreeBSD, not the size of the disk itself. Then when you boot, you will see a menu that asks you to select which bootable slice to boot and you specify it using the 'F' keys eg F1, F2, F3 and it should look something like this. F1 - ??? F2 - MS-DOS(or ??? if NTFS) F3 - FreeBSD If you make that extra file transfer FAT32 slice, do not mark that as bootable and it should not show up in the menu. But the maintenance slice will show up as F1 - ??? if
Installing FreeBSD on Windows/Linux Shared Enviroment
Hi, I was wondering, I am about to setup a computer I have to run Windows XP, Ubuntu and FreeBSD. I wanted to know if it was possible to run FreeBSD and Linux on the same computer. If I can, do I have to partition my disk in 3 parts? I have a 80Gb IDE that came with the dell... would be like 28Gb to each partition. Thanks for your help. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing FreeBSD on Windows/Linux Shared Enviroment
Intel69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was wondering, I am about to setup a computer I have to run Windows XP, Ubuntu and FreeBSD. FreeBSD and all Linuxes I've ever encountered come with installers which acknowledge the fact that other operating systems exist and makes some effort at making things work. Most of the docs out there if I remember correctly assume a double-boot setup, but with a little bit of planning, you should be able to triple-boot fine. You will need to partition at least three slices, and install Windows before the others in order to avoid having the Windows installer wipe out stuff it does not understand. There are several howtos out there within search engine reach which will be helpful. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ First, we kill all the spammers The Usenet Bard, Twice-forwarded tales ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
