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Hello,

I have a Lenovo X121e running Current with X and the Gnome desktop. 
Beside other issues[1] there is a strange behavior of Gnome-Desktop (and 
GDM too). When I press Fn without any additional key, the device 
immediately goes to sleep. As the X121e cannot resume properly from 
sleep, this forces me to reboot.


This problem appears to be only exist when using Gnome / GDM.
Pure X with TWM doesn't have this issue.

I already tried to re-map the Fn key (I found in some mailing this might 
have the keycode 150) to a less dangerous key:

$ xmodmap -e keycode 150 = Delete
this brought no change.

Has anyone an idea if Gnome re-maps the keys in some way or how I can 
disable this? At the moment this is the only blocker to use this Laptop 
for daily work, as I tend to accidently touch the Fn key more often than 
I want to reboot ;-)


Thanks in advance  kind regards,
Matthias


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Laptop Fn key causes X (Gnome 2) to sleep immediately



Hello,

I have a Lenovo X121e running Current with X and the Gnome desktop. 
Beside other issues[1] there is a strange behavior of Gnome-Desktop (and 
GDM too). When I press Fn without any additional key, the device 
immediately goes to sleep. As the X121e cannot resume properly from 
sleep, this forces me to reboot.


This problem appears to be only exist when using Gnome / GDM.
Pure X with TWM doesn't have this issue.

I already tried to re-map the Fn key (I found in some mailing this might 
have the keycode 150) to a less dangerous key:

$ xmodmap -e keycode 150 = Delete
this brought no change.

Has anyone an idea if Gnome re-maps the keys in some way or how I can 
disable this? At the moment this is the only blocker to use this Laptop 
for daily work, as I tend to accidently touch the Fn key more often than 
I want to reboot ;-)


Thanks in advance  kind regards,
Matthias


[1] 
http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=544740+551865+/usr/local/www/db/text/2013/freebsd-current/20130707.freebsd-current

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Re: Laptop Fn key causes X (Gnome 2) to sleep immediately

2013-08-16 Thread Adrian Chadd

Hi!

I'm glad someone else is seeing this!

I have the same behaviour with KDE4 on my T60 and T400. If I go to run
amiwm (because hey, Workbench is awesome!) it doesn't happen.

.. and bah, I wish the resume worked for you. It works fine for me on T42i,
T60, T400.

-adrian

On 15 August 2013 23:32, Matthias Petermann matth...@d2ux.org wrote:

Hello,

I have a Lenovo X121e running Current with X and the Gnome desktop. Beside
other issues[1] there is a strange behavior of Gnome-Desktop (and GDM too).
When I press Fn without any additional key, the device immediately goes
to sleep. As the X121e cannot resume properly from sleep, this forces me to
reboot.

This problem appears to be only exist when using Gnome / GDM.
Pure X with TWM doesn't have this issue.

I already tried to re-map the Fn key (I found in some mailing this might
have the keycode 150) to a less dangerous key:
$ xmodmap -e keycode 150 = Delete
this brought no change.

Thanks in advance kind regards,
Matthias

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Re: Laptop Fn key causes X (Gnome 2) to sleep immediately


Hi Adrian,

Zitat von Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org:


Hi!

I'm glad someone else is seeing this!

I have the same behaviour with KDE4 on my T60 and T400. If I go to run
amiwm (because hey, Workbench is awesome!) it doesn't happen.

.. and bah, I wish the resume worked for you. It works fine for me on T42i,
T60, T400.


Thanks for your response. The fact it happens also in KDE appears  
interesting... so the root cause might exist in a component on top of  
pure X which is shared by Gnome and KDE. I will definitely do more  
investigation on this at the weekend.


Hopefully some time suspend/resume will also work on the newer Lenovo  
models (I would be curious if the wakeup problem is Intel/KMS only or  
if also the NVidia models e.g. T430 NVS are affected).


Kind regards,
Matthias

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Re: Laptop Fn key causes X (Gnome 2) to sleep immediately

2013-08-16 Thread Polytropon

On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 13:25:41 +0200, Matthias Petermann wrote:
 Hi Adrian,
 
 Zitat von Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org:
 
  Hi!
 
  I'm glad someone else is seeing this!
 
  I have the same behaviour with KDE4 on my T60 and T400. If I go to run
  amiwm (because hey, Workbench is awesome!) it doesn't happen.
 
  .. and bah, I wish the resume worked for you. It works fine for me on T42i,
  T60, T400.
 
 Thanks for your response. The fact it happens also in KDE appears  
 interesting... so the root cause might exist in a component on top of  
 pure X which is shared by Gnome and KDE.

I have tested a Lenovo R61i running Xfce, and I don't experience
the strange behaviour desribed. However, using the xev event
tester, the keycode for the Fn key is being displayed as 227,
and the KeyPress event is held (!) until the key is released,
which means KeyPress and KeyRelease happen immediately after
each other.

Because my IBM T60p is still in the ICU, I can't test this, but
I would assume to get a similar result.



 Hopefully some time suspend/resume will also work on the newer Lenovo  
 models (I would be curious if the wakeup problem is Intel/KMS only or  
 if also the NVidia models e.g. T430 NVS are affected).

It would also be nice if as much as possible would work on
the older models (including the docking stations), because
Thinkpads seem to live much longer (and therefore will probably
many more years in productive use), compared to their crappy
competitors on the laptop market. :-)




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Re: Laptop Fn key causes X (Gnome 2) to sleep immediately

2013-08-16 Thread Grzegorz Blach

Hi,

I also had problem with Fn key.
I'm using Lenovo T430 and Enlightenment desktop environment.
I resolved this issue by unbinding XF86Sleep in Enlightenment settings.

Cheers,
Grzegorz Blach

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Re: Laptop Fn key causes X (Gnome 2) to sleep immediately

2013-08-16 Thread Adrian Chadd

... xf86sleep as a keypress id?



-adrian


On 16 August 2013 04:48, Grzegorz Blach ma...@roorback.net wrote:

 Hi,

 I also had problem with Fn key.
 I'm using Lenovo T430 and Enlightenment desktop environment.
 I resolved this issue by unbinding XF86Sleep in Enlightenment settings.

 Cheers,
 Grzegorz Blach

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Re: Laptop Fn key causes X (Gnome 2) to sleep immediately

2013-08-16 Thread Polytropon

On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 11:24:51 -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote:
 ... xf86sleep as a keypress id?

Yes, there are many of XF86... key symbols that can be
associated to key codes. Probably this is some setting
in Gnome or KDE (but not in other environments). You can
use xev to check which symbol is associated to which
key (or key combination, if this creates a new unique
key event).



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Re: Laptop Fn key causes X (Gnome 2) to sleep immediately


Hi,

Am 16.08.2013 13:58, schrieb Polytropon:
I have tested a Lenovo R61i running Xfce, and I don't experience the 
strange behaviour desribed. However, using the xev event tester, the 
keycode for the Fn key is being displayed as 227, and the KeyPress 
event is held (!) until the key is released, which means KeyPress and 
KeyRelease happen immediately after each other. Because my IBM T60p is 
still in the ICU, I can't test this, but I would assume to get a 
similar result. 


thanks, I just used xev (with X and only TWM). It reports the Fn key as 
keycode 150. Looks like this is different across the Thinkpad models.


It would also be nice if as much as possible would work on the older 
models (including the docking stations), because Thinkpads seem to 
live much longer (and therefore will probably many more years in 
productive use), compared to their crappy competitors on the laptop 
market. :-) 

Agree :-)

Regards,
Matthias
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Re: Laptop Fn key causes X (Gnome 2) to sleep immediately

Hi,

a short update on this. I just found out: at least in Gnome 2 the
behavior can be prevented by using the gconf-settings tool, changing the
value of the key /apps/gnome-power-manager/buttons/suspend from
suspend to nothing. Seems like some ubuntu users had the same issue
as I found the workaround there.

Kind regards,
Matthias

Am 16.08.2013 08:44, schrieb Adrian Chadd:

Hi!

I'm glad someone else is seeing this!

I have the same behaviour with KDE4 on my T60 and T400. If I go to run
amiwm (because hey, Workbench is awesome!) it doesn't happen.

.. and bah, I wish the resume worked for you. It works fine for me on
T42i, T60, T400.

-adrian

On 15 August 2013 23:32, Matthias Petermann matth...@d2ux.org
mailto:matth...@d2ux.org wrote:

Hello,

I have a Lenovo X121e running Current with X and the Gnome
desktop. Beside other issues[1] there is a strange behavior of
Gnome-Desktop (and GDM too). When I press Fn without any
additional key, the device immediately goes to sleep. As the X121e
cannot resume properly from sleep, this forces me to reboot.

This problem appears to be only exist when using Gnome / GDM.
Pure X with TWM doesn't have this issue.

I already tried to re-map the Fn key (I found in some mailing this
might have the keycode 150) to a less dangerous key:
$ xmodmap -e keycode 150 = Delete
this brought no change.

Has anyone an idea if Gnome re-maps the keys in some way or how I
can disable this? At the moment this is the only blocker to use
this Laptop for daily work, as I tend to accidently touch the Fn
key more often than I want to reboot ;-)

Thanks in advance kind regards,
Matthias

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Re: Laptop Fn key causes X (Gnome 2) to sleep immediately

2013-08-16 Thread Adrian Chadd

Right, but this sounds like some bug to send upstream. Or at least patch in
our port(s) for this stuff.

What keyboard / laptop has the key code '150' map to 'go to sleep' ?

-adiran

On 16 August 2013 17:09, Matthias Petermann matth...@d2ux.org wrote:

Hi,

Kind regards,
Matthias

Am 16.08.2013 08:44, schrieb Adrian Chadd:

Hi!

I'm glad someone else is seeing this!

I have the same behaviour with KDE4 on my T60 and T400. If I go to run
amiwm (because hey, Workbench is awesome!) it doesn't happen.

.. and bah, I wish the resume worked for you. It works fine for me on
T42i, T60, T400.

-adrian

On 15 August 2013 23:32, Matthias Petermann matth...@d2ux.org wrote:

Hello,

This problem appears to be only exist when using Gnome / GDM.
Pure X with TWM doesn't have this issue.

I already tried to re-map the Fn key (I found in some mailing this might
have the keycode 150) to a less dangerous key:
$ xmodmap -e keycode 150 = Delete
this brought no change.

Thanks in advance kind regards,
Matthias

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Re: Laptop Fn key causes X (Gnome 2) to sleep immediately

2013-08-16 Thread Polytropon

On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:07:25 -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote:
 What keyboard / laptop has the key code '150' map to 'go to sleep' ?

My Sun Type 7 USB keyboard has the Copy key at code 150... :-)


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Re: X client without X server

2013-07-04 Thread Christopher J. Umina

You can remove leaf ports using pkg_cutleaves once everything is
installed. You can even remove pkg_cutleaves with pkg_cutleaves if you
don't want it anymore.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Olivier Nicole
olivier.nic...@cs.ait.ac.th wrote:
 Hi,

 Just my 2¢ worth on this. Sure, one always wants to keep overhead low. But
 the days of limited RAM, small hard drives, etc...are long since behind us.

 My concern is when portupgrade -a. The more ports on the system, the
 more likely the upgrade will fail. So I'd prefer to have as little
 unused ports as possible.

 Not to mention that security wise, having unused ports sitting there
 is not too good.

 Best regards,

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Re: X client without X server

2013-07-04 Thread Olivier Nicole

Hi,

  Is there a way to install an X client without automatically 
 install an
  X server?
 I don't use emacs, but you can quickly check,
 prior to installing, what other ports will be
 required, e.g. do

 make -C /usr/ports/ search name=emacs-24

After doing my homework, it seems that it happened only some years
ago. I have some very old systems, that I have been upgrading again
and again, without reconstructing from scratch; the old systems are
carrying xorg-server along. On the newer machines that I installed,
there is only X clients, no X servers.

So the problem was only an old problem, I apologize for disturbing.

Best regards,

Olivier
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Re: X client without X server

2013-07-03 Thread Anton Shterenlikht

Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 10:55:48 +0700 (ICT)
From: Olivier Nicole olivier.nic...@cs.ait.ac.th
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: X client without X server

Hi,

Is there a way to install an X client without automatically install an
X server?

On all my systems, I throw xterm and emacs, as the primary tools I use
for management, but the display is always remote, I never, ever, run X
on the machine, but still it install X server, fonts and a lot of
useless junk like xcalc.

Is there a way to install xterm and only the libraries that are needed
to run xterm?

TIA,

Olivier

I've been doing this for years.
What's the problem?

Just install xterm, or whatever you need.
All the necessary libs will be pulled in, e.g.:

$ pkg info -xd xterm
xterm-293:
xproto-7.0.24
xextproto-7.2.1
renderproto-0.11.1
printproto-1.0.5
libxcb-1.9.1
libXrender-0.9.8
libXpm-3.5.10
libXp-1.0.2,1
libXext-1.3.2,1
libXdmcp-1.1.1
libXau-1.0.8
libX11-1.6.0,1
libSM-1.2.1,1
libICE-1.0.8,1
kbproto-1.0.6
libXt-1.1.4,1
libXmu-1.1.1,1
libXaw-1.0.11,2
libXft-2.3.1
fontconfig-2.9.0,1
expat-2.0.1_2
freetype2-2.4.12_1
pkgconf-0.9.2_1
pcre-8.33
libpthread-stubs-0.3_3

Obviously xterm does not depend on xorg-server.

Anton

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Re: X client without X server

2013-07-03 Thread Olivier Nicole

Anton,

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Anton Shterenlikht me...@bris.ac.uk wrote:
 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 10:55:48 +0700 (ICT)
 From: Olivier Nicole olivier.nic...@cs.ait.ac.th
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: X client without X server

 Hi,

 Is there a way to install an X client without automatically install an
 X server?

 On all my systems, I throw xterm and emacs, as the primary tools I use
 for management, but the display is always remote, I never, ever, run X
 on the machine, but still it install X server, fonts and a lot of
 useless junk like xcalc.

 Is there a way to install xterm and only the libraries that are needed
 to run xterm?

 TIA,

 Olivier

 I've been doing this for years.
 What's the problem?

 Just install xterm, or whatever you need.
 All the necessary libs will be pulled in, e.g.:

 $ pkg info -xd xterm
 xterm-293:
 xproto-7.0.24
 xextproto-7.2.1
 renderproto-0.11.1
 printproto-1.0.5
 libxcb-1.9.1
 libXrender-0.9.8
 libXpm-3.5.10
 libXp-1.0.2,1
 libXext-1.3.2,1
 libXdmcp-1.1.1
 libXau-1.0.8
 libX11-1.6.0,1
 libSM-1.2.1,1
 libICE-1.0.8,1
 kbproto-1.0.6
 libXt-1.1.4,1
 libXmu-1.1.1,1
 libXaw-1.0.11,2
 libXft-2.3.1
 fontconfig-2.9.0,1
 expat-2.0.1_2
 freetype2-2.4.12_1
 pkgconf-0.9.2_1
 pcre-8.33
 libpthread-stubs-0.3_3

 Obviously xterm does not depend on xorg-server.

But for some reason, xorg-server gets installed too. And tons of fonts, and ...

It could be emacs, or cvsup, these are the 3 X Window clients I install.

Best regards,

Olivier
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Re: X client without X server

2013-07-03 Thread Polytropon

On Wed, 3 Jul 2013 11:47:16 +0100 (BST), Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
 $ pkg info -xd xterm
 xterm-293:
 xproto-7.0.24
 xextproto-7.2.1
 renderproto-0.11.1
 printproto-1.0.5
 libxcb-1.9.1
 libXrender-0.9.8
 libXpm-3.5.10
 libXp-1.0.2,1
 libXext-1.3.2,1
 libXdmcp-1.1.1
 libXau-1.0.8
 libX11-1.6.0,1
 libSM-1.2.1,1
 libICE-1.0.8,1
 kbproto-1.0.6
 libXt-1.1.4,1
 libXmu-1.1.1,1
 libXaw-1.0.11,2
 libXft-2.3.1
 fontconfig-2.9.0,1
 expat-2.0.1_2
 freetype2-2.4.12_1
 pkgconf-0.9.2_1
 pcre-8.33
 libpthread-stubs-0.3_3
 
 Obviously xterm does not depend on xorg-server.

But one of its dependencies might.



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Re: X client without X server

2013-07-03 Thread Olivier Nicole

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
 On Wed, 3 Jul 2013 11:47:16 +0100 (BST), Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
 $ pkg info -xd xterm
 xterm-293:
 xproto-7.0.24
 xextproto-7.2.1
 renderproto-0.11.1
 printproto-1.0.5
 libxcb-1.9.1
 libXrender-0.9.8
 libXpm-3.5.10
 libXp-1.0.2,1
 libXext-1.3.2,1
 libXdmcp-1.1.1
 libXau-1.0.8
 libX11-1.6.0,1
 libSM-1.2.1,1
 libICE-1.0.8,1
 kbproto-1.0.6
 libXt-1.1.4,1
 libXmu-1.1.1,1
 libXaw-1.0.11,2
 libXft-2.3.1
 fontconfig-2.9.0,1
 expat-2.0.1_2
 freetype2-2.4.12_1
 pkgconf-0.9.2_1
 pcre-8.33
 libpthread-stubs-0.3_3

 Obviously xterm does not depend on xorg-server.

 But one of its dependencies might.

That make no sense, xterm may (and certainly does) depend on the same
libraries as the X server, but there is no way xterm depends on X
server itself.

I can manually remove X server and the fonts and xclac... and the
system is still running very well (and updating without trying to
reinstall X server...)

Best regards,

Olivier
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Re: X client without X server

2013-07-03 Thread Polytropon

On Wed, 3 Jul 2013 18:07:11 +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
  On Wed, 3 Jul 2013 11:47:16 +0100 (BST), Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
  [...]
  Obviously xterm does not depend on xorg-server.
 
  But one of its dependencies might.
 
 That make no sense, xterm may (and certainly does) depend on the same
 libraries as the X server, but there is no way xterm depends on X
 server itself.

That's what I would imagine too. But who knows what's
going on in the strange realm of build dependencies
and run dependencies... :-)



 I can manually remove X server and the fonts and xclac... and the
 system is still running very well (and updating without trying to
 reinstall X server...)

That should even work without a warning (as the libs for xterm
would be kept, and those required by the X server _only_ could
safely be removed).

In case such a procedure is needed more often, a local patch
could be added to the respective port that would remove the
unneeded parts in the post-install phase.




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Re: X client without X server

2013-07-03 Thread Anton Shterenlikht

From olivier2...@gmail.com Wed Jul  3 13:09:25 2013

Anton,

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Anton Shterenlikht me...@bris.ac.uk 
wrote:
 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 10:55:48 +0700 (ICT)
 From: Olivier Nicole olivier.nic...@cs.ait.ac.th
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: X client without X server

 Hi,

 Is there a way to install an X client without automatically 
install an
 X server?

 On all my systems, I throw xterm and emacs, as the primary 
tools I use
 for management, but the display is always remote, I never, 
ever, run X
 on the machine, but still it install X server, fonts and a 
lot of
 useless junk like xcalc.

 Is there a way to install xterm and only the libraries that 
are needed
 to run xterm?

 TIA,

 Olivier

 I've been doing this for years.
 What's the problem?

 Just install xterm, or whatever you need.
 All the necessary libs will be pulled in, e.g.:

 $ pkg info -xd xterm
 xterm-293:
 xproto-7.0.24
 xextproto-7.2.1
 renderproto-0.11.1
 printproto-1.0.5
 libxcb-1.9.1
 libXrender-0.9.8
 libXpm-3.5.10
 libXp-1.0.2,1
 libXext-1.3.2,1
 libXdmcp-1.1.1
 libXau-1.0.8
 libX11-1.6.0,1
 libSM-1.2.1,1
 libICE-1.0.8,1
 kbproto-1.0.6
 libXt-1.1.4,1
 libXmu-1.1.1,1
 libXaw-1.0.11,2
 libXft-2.3.1
 fontconfig-2.9.0,1
 expat-2.0.1_2
 freetype2-2.4.12_1
 pkgconf-0.9.2_1
 pcre-8.33
 libpthread-stubs-0.3_3

 Obviously xterm does not depend on xorg-server.

But for some reason, xorg-server gets installed too. And tons of fonts, 
and ...

It could be emacs, or cvsup, these are the 3 X Window clients I install.

I don't use emacs, but you can quickly check,
prior to installing, what other ports will be
required, e.g. do

make -C /usr/ports/ search name=emacs-24

You might be familiar with this already, but
if not, the B-deps are those ports which
are required to build your port, and R-deps
are required to run your port. For emacs-24,
both the default and the devel branches, you
see that they depend on xorg-fonts-truetype-7.7_1
and lots of other libs, but not on xorg-server.
net/cvsup has a lot fewer dependencies, again
no xorg-server.

In general X server is only required by the ports
running on the graphical side - screen, mouse, kbd, etc.,
e.g.:

$ pkg info -xr xorg-server
xorg-server-1.7.7_8,1:
xf86-input-keyboard-1.7.0
xf86-input-mouse-1.9.0
xf86-video-vesa-2.3.2
nvidia-driver-310.44_1
$

So I'd say something is wrong with your installation
if xorg-server is being pulled in when you build
emacs, xterm or cvsup.

Post the output from pkg info -aq.
Maybe this will give us a hint.

Anton

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Re: X client without X server

2013-07-03 Thread Bill Tillman

 From: Anton Shterenlikht me...@bris.ac.uk
To: me...@bristol.ac.uk; olivier2...@gmail.com 
Cc: o...@cs.ait.ac.th; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org 
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: X client without X server

    From olivier2...@gmail.com Wed Jul  3 13:09:25 2013

    Anton,

    On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Anton Shterenlikht me...@bris.ac.uk wrote:
             Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 10:55:48 +0700 (ICT)
             From: Olivier Nicole olivier.nic...@cs.ait.ac.th
             To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
             Subject: X client without X server

             Hi,

             Is there a way to install an X client without automatically 
install an
             X server?

             On all my systems, I throw xterm and emacs, as the primary tools 
I use
             for management, but the display is always remote, I never, ever, 
run X
             on the machine, but still it install X server, fonts and a lot of
             useless junk like xcalc.

             Is there a way to install xterm and only the libraries that are 
needed
             to run xterm?

             TIA,

             Olivier

     I've been doing this for years.
     What's the problem?

     Just install xterm, or whatever you need.
     All the necessary libs will be pulled in, e.g.:

     $ pkg info -xd xterm
     xterm-293:
             xproto-7.0.24
             xextproto-7.2.1
             renderproto-0.11.1
             printproto-1.0.5
             libxcb-1.9.1
             libXrender-0.9.8
             libXpm-3.5.10
             libXp-1.0.2,1
             libXext-1.3.2,1
             libXdmcp-1.1.1
             libXau-1.0.8
             libX11-1.6.0,1
             libSM-1.2.1,1
             libICE-1.0.8,1
             kbproto-1.0.6
             libXt-1.1.4,1
             libXmu-1.1.1,1
             libXaw-1.0.11,2
             libXft-2.3.1
             fontconfig-2.9.0,1
             expat-2.0.1_2
             freetype2-2.4.12_1
             pkgconf-0.9.2_1
             pcre-8.33
             libpthread-stubs-0.3_3

     Obviously xterm does not depend on xorg-server.

    But for some reason, xorg-server gets installed too. And tons of fonts, and 
...

    It could be emacs, or cvsup, these are the 3 X Window clients I install.

I don't use emacs, but you can quickly check,
prior to installing, what other ports will be
required, e.g. do

make -C /usr/ports/ search name=emacs-24

You might be familiar with this already, but
if not, the B-deps are those ports which
are required to build your port, and R-deps
are required to run your port. For emacs-24,
both the default and the devel branches, you
see that they depend on xorg-fonts-truetype-7.7_1
and lots of other libs, but not on xorg-server.
net/cvsup has a lot fewer dependencies, again
no xorg-server.

In general X server is only required by the ports
running on the graphical side - screen, mouse, kbd, etc.,
e.g.:

$ pkg info -xr xorg-server
xorg-server-1.7.7_8,1:
        xf86-input-keyboard-1.7.0
        xf86-input-mouse-1.9.0
        xf86-video-vesa-2.3.2
        nvidia-driver-310.44_1
$

So I'd say something is wrong with your installation
if xorg-server is being pulled in when you build
emacs, xterm or cvsup.

Post the output from pkg info -aq.
Maybe this will give us a hint.

Anton

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Just my 2¢ worth on this. Sure, one always wants to keep overhead low. But the 
days of limited RAM, small hard drives, etc...are long since behind us. I 
remember in 1994 when and IT consultant came in and built a Novell server for 
us with a whopping 1 GB hard drive. And back then how we thought with a 1 GB 
hard drive we'd never run out of space. Well these days one could easily run 
out of space with such a small hard drive. But with today's systems having 2 or 
3 TB drives and GB's of RAM, something as trivial as X-Server should not be a 
problem. If you don't need it, don't run it. But to worry about the space it 
takes up is kind of a moot point these days. And like some of the other replies 
mentioned, xterm may not require it, but one of xterm's dependencies may. I run 
Asterisk routinely on my systems and I'm always amazed at how installing one 
port requires no less than 38 other ports to be installed as well.
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Re: X client without X server

2013-07-03 Thread Teske, Devin


On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:55 PM, Olivier Nicole wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Is there a way to install an X client without automatically install an
 X server?
 
 On all my systems, I throw xterm and emacs, as the primary tools I use
 for management, but the display is always remote, I never, ever, run X
 on the machine, but still it install X server, fonts and a lot of
 useless junk like xcalc.
 

If you never run emacs in X11 mode, but instead run emacs within the XTerm, 
might I suggest that you look into the emacs-nox11 package 
(/usr/ports/editors/emacs-nox11).

This should cut down on the number of dependencies significantly, but if you 
run emacs directly as an X11 program, then emacs-nox11 will not provide that 
functionality -- so this suggestion is [again] only helpful if you're used to 
just running emacs in the XTerm.

On the vim side of things, I tend to shoot for vim-lite instead of vim. 
Same reason, fewer dependencies.



 Is there a way to install xterm and only the libraries that are needed
 to run xterm?
 

You could always go the binary package route.

force-install the binary package, then do an ldd on xterm to find out what's 
missing. Then compare what's missing to the packing-list's @pkgdep entries 
(/var/db/pkg/xterm*/+CONTENTS for non-pkgng systems; for pkgng systems, 
[guessing] pkg info -dx xterm)
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Re: X client without X server

2013-07-03 Thread Eugene


Hello,

It is usually not about disk space (though that is also not exactly free and 
unlimited either), but about compilation/update delays, ease of management, 
additional security risks, additional ways to fail for the system as a 
whole, etc.

Not to mention simple elegance.

Best wishes
Eugene



-Original Message- 
From: Bill Tillman

Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 7:26 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: X client without X server

Just my 2¢ worth on this. Sure, one always wants to keep overhead low. But 
the days of limited RAM, small hard drives, etc...are long since behind us. 
I remember in 1994 when and IT consultant came in and built a Novell server 
for us with a whopping 1 GB hard drive. And back then how we thought with a 
1 GB hard drive we'd never run out of space. Well these days one could 
easily run out of space with such a small hard drive. But with today's 
systems having 2 or 3 TB drives and GB's of RAM, something as trivial as 
X-Server should not be a problem. If you don't need it, don't run it. But to 
worry about the space it takes up is kind of a moot point these days. And 
like some of the other replies mentioned, xterm may not require it, but one 
of xterm's dependencies may. I run Asterisk routinely on my systems and I'm 
always amazed at how installing one port requires no less than 38 other 
ports to be installed as well.


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Re: X client without X server

2013-07-03 Thread Anton Shterenlikht

Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:26:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill Tillman btillma...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: X client without X server

xterm may not require it [xorg-server],
but one of xterm's dependencies may.

This is simply not true.
xterm does not require xorg-server.
I know because for years I've been using a setup
where the X server and the clients live
on different computers.
There is certainly no xorg-server installed
on the clients computer.

So, if the OP says that in his setup xterm
requires xorg-server, then something is clearly
wrong with that setup and it's a good idea
to fix it. This might be but a simptom of a
larger problem, who knows. If it were me,
I'd certainly want to get to the bottom of this.

Anton

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Re: X client without X server

2013-07-03 Thread Arthur Chance


On 07/03/13 16:26, Bill Tillman wrote:
[Vast snip.]


Just my 2¢ worth on this. Sure, one always wants to keep overhead

 low. But the days of limited RAM, small hard drives, etc...are long
 since behind us. I remember in 1994 when and IT consultant came in
 and built a Novell server for us with a whopping 1 GB hard drive.
 And back then how we thought with a 1 GB hard drive we'd never run
 out of space. Well these days one could easily run out of space with
 such a small hard drive. But with today's systems having 2 or 3 TB
 drives and GB's of RAM, something as trivial as X-Server should not
 be a problem. If you don't need it, don't run it. But to worry about
 the space it takes up is kind of a moot point these days. And like
 some of the other replies mentioned, xterm may not require it, but
 one of xterm's dependencies may. I run Asterisk routinely on my
 systems and I'm always amazed at how installing one port requires
 no less than 38 other ports to be installed as well.

There's another reason beside space for not wanting to install a port 
unless it's definitely needed, especially on any machine that is world 
facing - security. If a port is installed but unused it might aid an 
attacker who gets part way into a system to get further privileges. If 
it's not installed it definitely can't be used for that. I apply the 
same principle to the base system on world visible servers - if it's not 
used and there's a src.conf option to remove it, it gets removed.


As the old sysadmin joke goes: Yes, I'm paranoid. But am I paranoid 
enough?


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Re: X client without X server

2013-07-03 Thread Olivier Nicole

Hi,

 Just my 2¢ worth on this. Sure, one always wants to keep overhead low. But
 the days of limited RAM, small hard drives, etc...are long since behind us.

My concern is when portupgrade -a. The more ports on the system, the
more likely the upgrade will fail. So I'd prefer to have as little
unused ports as possible.

Not to mention that security wise, having unused ports sitting there
is not too good.

Best regards,

Olivier
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X client without X server

2013-07-02 Thread Olivier Nicole

Hi,

Is there a way to install an X client without automatically install an
X server?

On all my systems, I throw xterm and emacs, as the primary tools I use
for management, but the display is always remote, I never, ever, run X
on the machine, but still it install X server, fonts and a lot of
useless junk like xcalc.

Is there a way to install xterm and only the libraries that are needed
to run xterm?

TIA,

Olivier
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install firefox without X

2013-06-18 Thread Pol Hallen

Hi all :-)

I need use -X ssh and use firefox on remote machine:

ssh -X -l user xxx host

Is there a way to install firefox without X? or less ports possible

thanks!

Pol
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Re: install firefox without X

2013-06-18 Thread Teske, Devin

On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:41 AM, Pol Hallen wrote:

 Hi all :-)
 
 I need use -X ssh and use firefox on remote machine:
 
 ssh -X -l user xxx host
 
 Is there a way to install firefox without X? or less ports possible
 

I indeed run Firefox using the above method from my servers (which aren't 
running X) but X is still installed.

It *should* be able to work in theory (I use xdialog from ports on machines 
that don't have X installed; only xdialog and xauth).

*** warning *** will uninstall X11 software *** warning ***

pkg_delete -x xorg

Maybe Firefox will still run (communicating with the X server running on the 
local side of your ssh client), or maybe it will balk incessantly about 
something.

I do know however, that you'll need xauth installed regardless.
-- 
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Re: install firefox without X

2013-06-18 Thread ill...@gmail.com

On 18 June 2013 14:01, Teske, Devin devin.te...@fisglobal.com wrote:

 On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:41 AM, Pol Hallen wrote:

  Hi all :-)
 
  I need use -X ssh and use firefox on remote machine:
 
  ssh -X -l user xxx host
 
  Is there a way to install firefox without X? or less ports possible
 

 I indeed run Firefox using the above method from my servers (which aren't
 running X) but X is still installed.

 It *should* be able to work in theory (I use xdialog from ports on
 machines that don't have X installed; only xdialog and xauth).

 *** warning *** will uninstall X11 software *** warning ***

 pkg_delete -x xorg

 Maybe Firefox will still run (communicating with the X server running on
 the local side of your ssh client), or maybe it will balk incessantly about
 something.

 I do know however, that you'll need xauth installed regardless.


While you don't have to have xorg-server (or any of the various
drivers) installed, you still need a fair bit:

 pkg info -d firefox
firefox-17.0.6,1 depends on:
atk-2.6.0
binutils-2.23.1
bitstream-vera-1.10_5
cairo-1.10.2_5,2
compositeproto-0.4.2
damageproto-1.2.1
desktop-file-utils-0.21
dri2proto-2.8
encodings-1.0.4,1
expat-2.0.1_2
fixesproto-5.0
font-bh-ttf-1.0.3
font-misc-ethiopic-1.0.3
font-misc-meltho-1.0.3
font-util-1.3.0
fontconfig-2.9.0,1
freeglut-2.8.1
freetype2-2.4.12_1
gamin-0.1.10_5
gcc-4.6.3
gdk-pixbuf2-2.26.5_3
gettext-0.18.1.1_1
gio-fam-backend-2.34.3
glib-2.34.3
glproto-1.4.16
gmp-5.1.2
gnomehier-3.0
gobject-introspection-1.34.2
gtk-update-icon-cache-2.24.19
gtk-2.24.19
hicolor-icon-theme-0.12
hunspell-1.3.2_2
icu-50.1.2
inputproto-2.3
jasper-1.900.1_12
jbigkit-1.6
jpeg-8_4
kbproto-1.0.6
libGL-7.6.1_4
libGLU-7.6.1_2
libICE-1.0.8,1
libIDL-0.8.14_1
libSM-1.2.1,1
libX11-1.6.0,1
libXau-1.0.8
libXcomposite-0.4.4,1
libXcursor-1.1.14
libXdamage-1.1.4
libXdmcp-1.1.1
libXext-1.3.2,1
libXfixes-5.0.1
libXft-2.3.1
libXi-1.7.1_1,1
libXinerama-1.1.3,1
libXmu-1.1.1,1
libXrandr-1.4.1
libXrender-0.9.8
libXt-1.1.4,1
libXxf86vm-1.1.3
libdrm-2.4.17_1
libevent2-2.0.21
libffi-3.0.13
libfontenc-1.1.2
libiconv-1.14_1
libpciaccess-0.13.1_1
libpthread-stubs-0.3_3
libvpx-1.1.0
libxcb-1.9.1
libxml2-2.8.0_2
mkfontdir-1.0.7
mkfontscale-1.1.0
mpc-0.9
mpfr-3.1.2
ncurses-5.9_3
nspr-4.9.6
nss-3.14.3
pango-1.30.1
pciids-20130606
pcre-8.33
perl-threaded-5.16.3
pixman-0.28.2
pkgconf-0.9.2_1
png-1.5.16
python27-2.7.5_1
randrproto-1.4.0
renderproto-0.11.1
shared-mime-info-1.1
sqlite3-3.7.17_1
tiff-4.0.3
xcb-util-renderutil-0.3.8
xcb-util-0.3.9_1,1
xextproto-7.2.1
xf86vidmodeproto-2.3.1
xineramaproto-1.2.1
xorg-fonts-truetype-7.7
xproto-7.0.24
zip-3.0

NB: you might need more than that to build

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Re: install firefox without X

2013-06-18 Thread Adam Vande More

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Pol Hallen m...@fuckaround.org wrote:

 Hi all :-)

 I need use -X ssh and use firefox on remote machine:

 ssh -X -l user xxx host

 Is there a way to install firefox without X? or less ports possible


On a clean machine, setting WITHOUT_X11=yes in /etc/make.conf then using
ports to install firefox eg portmaster www/firefox is going to be the
easiest way to get a minimal install.  Then only required X11 components
will be pulled in(assuming the port tree is in a good state).   Obviously
X11 cannot be eliminated entirely on the headless system try to forward X11
apps.  There is a reason you have to type ssh -X

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Re: Trouble installing py-sqlite3 port for python3.x

2013-06-17 Thread Aeyos

Modulok modulok at gmail.com writes:

 
 List,
 
 I'm *guessing* this is more of FreeBSD problem than a python one, so I'll 
ask
 on this list. I'm trying to import sqlite3 in python3.2 on FreeBSD
 8.1-RELEASE and ran
 into trouble:
 
 $ python3.2
 ...
  import sqlite3
 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File stdin, line 1, in module
   File /usr/local/lib/python3.2/sqlite3/__init__.py, line 23, in 
module
 from sqlite3.dbapi2 import *
   File /usr/local/lib/python3.2/sqlite3/dbapi2.py, line 26, in 
module
 [...]

Solution : installing port named py-sqlite3 after configure for use with 
ptyhon3. Tuto here http://bind10.isc.org/wiki/SystemNotesFreeBSD

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pfctl and verbosely listing tables not giving full output on 9.x

2013-05-28 Thread Philip Kizer

On some of my older systems, I try and view some tables verbosely as the manual 
describes:

 We can now use the table show command to output, for each address
 and packet direction, the number of packets and bytes that are
 being passed or blocked by rules referencing the table.  The time
 at which the current accounting started is also shown with the
 ``Cleared'' line.

   # pfctl -t test -vTshow
  129.128.5.191
   Cleared: Thu Feb 13 18:55:18 2003
   In/Block:[ Packets: 0Bytes: 0]
   In/Pass: [ Packets: 10   Bytes: 840  ]
   Out/Block:   [ Packets: 0Bytes: 0]
   Out/Pass:[ Packets: 10   Bytes: 840  ]

and I get what I would expect when I issue the command:

# uname -r
8.3-RELEASE-p3
# pfctl -t spam -vTshow
No ALTQ support in kernel
ALTQ related functions disabled
   61.156.238.56
Cleared: Mon May 27 16:06:03 2013
In/Block:[ Packets: 23 Bytes: 1673   ]
In/Pass: [ Packets: 0  Bytes: 0  ]
Out/Block:   [ Packets: 0  Bytes: 0  ]
Out/Pass:[ Packets: 0  Bytes: 0  ]
   101.44.1.135
Cleared: Tue May 28 11:14:23 2013
In/Block:[ Packets: 21 Bytes: 1520   ]
In/Pass: [ Packets: 0  Bytes: 0  ]
Out/Block:   [ Packets: 0  Bytes: 0  ]
Out/Pass:[ Packets: 0  Bytes: 0  ]

All of my newer systems seem to not be showing me the data I expect:

# uname -rm
9.1-RELEASE-p3 amd64
# pfctl -t spam -vTshow
No ALTQ support in kernel
ALTQ related functions disabled
   46.21.161.37
Cleared: Tue May 14 10:37:11 2013
   46.29.248.152
Cleared: Sat May 25 03:47:26 2013
   46.165.236.153
Cleared: Tue May 14 06:12:05 2013
[...]

# uname -rm
9.1-RELEASE i386
# pfctl -t spam -vTshow
No ALTQ support in kernel
ALTQ related functions disabled
   1.235.138.249
Cleared: Sat Apr 27 19:55:15 2013
   27.50.140.140
Cleared: Fri Apr 26 13:43:11 2013
   31.3.245.178
Cleared: Tue Apr 30 19:30:29 2013
[...]

# uname -rm
9.1-RELEASE amd64
# pfctl -t spam -vTshow
No ALTQ support in kernel
ALTQ related functions disabled
   46.29.248.152
Cleared: Sat May 25 03:49:12 2013
   50.73.11.52
Cleared: Wed May 22 01:57:10 2013
   61.132.228.240
Cleared: Sun May 19 23:46:07 2013

Can anyone confirm similar behaviour on their systems, or has anyone even 
tried?  I didn't see any active PRs about this.


Thanks,
Philip

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Re: X breaks sound

2013-05-15 Thread Anton Shterenlikht


On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 21:20 +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
 Briefly, the sound works fine until X starts.
 As soon as X starts, sound doesn't work until a reboot.

Assumed pulseaudio should be installed, this likely is the culprit, if
so, remove it.

Hth,
Ralf

no, I haven't got it installed.

Anton

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X breaks sound

2013-05-14 Thread Anton Shterenlikht

Briefly, the sound works fine until X starts.
As soon as X starts, sound doesn't work until a reboot.

This is HP Compaq 6715s laptop.
I'm running current r250633.

I have this sound device:

hdac0@pci0:0:20:2:  class=0x040300 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x43831002 rev=0x00
hdr=0x00
vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI'
device = 'SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)'
class  = multimedia
subclass   = HDA

I use it with snd_hda(4):

hdac0: ATI SB600 HDA Controller mem 0xc000-0xc0003fff irq 16 at device 20.
2 on pci0

Until I start X, I can get sound e.g.
via /dev/dsp, or play a cd with:

dd if=/dev/cd0 of=/dev/dspcd bs=2352

As soon as I start X, either via xdm,
or simply X -config /roor/xorg.conf.new -retro
the sound does not work anymore until reboot.
Instead I see on the console a very long stream
of:

hdac0: Unexpected unsolicited response from address 0: 00400083
hdac0: Unexpected unsolicited response from address 0: 
hdac0: Unexpected unsolicited response from address 0: 04a12020
hdac0: Unexpected unsolicited response from address 0: 1727
hdac0: Unexpected unsolicited response from address 0: 0020
hdac0: Unexpected unsolicited response from address 0: 00400187
hdac0: Unexpected unsolicited response from address 0: 0002
hdac0: Unexpected unsolicited response from address 0: 0e03
hdac0: Unexpected unsolicited response from address 0: 0181302e
hdac0: Unexpected unsolicited response from address 0: 1737

etc.

and sometimes:

hdac0: Command timeout on address 0
hdac0: Reset setting timeout
pcm0: chn_write(): pcm0:virtual:dsp0.vp0: play interrupt timeout, channel dead

My graphics device is:

vgapci0@pci0:1:5:0: class=0x03 card=0x30c2103c chip=0x791f1002 rev=0x00
hdr=0x00
vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI'
device = 'RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]'
class  = display
subclass   = VGA

which is seen in dmesg as:

vgapci0: VGA-compatible display port 0x4000-0x40ff mem 0xc010-0xc80f,0
xd020-0xd020,0xd030-0xd03f irq 19 at device 5.0 on pci1
vga0: Generic ISA VGA at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa-0xb on isa0

I use x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati port to drive it.

In Xorg logs I see that the card is recognised correctly:

(--) PCI:*(0:1:5:0) 1002:791f:103c:30c2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS6
90M [Radeon X1200 Series] rev 0, Mem @ 0xc000/134217728, 0xd020/65536, 0
xd030/1048576, I/O @ 0x4000/256, BIOS @ 0x/65536

The only issue seems to be with DRM/DRI:

drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
Failed to change owner or group for file /dev/dri! 2: No such file or directory
Failed to change owner or group for file /dev/dri/card0! 2: No such file or dire
ctory
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such file or directory)
Failed to change owner or group for file /dev/dri/card0! 2: No such file or dire
ctory
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such file or directory)
drmOpenDevice: Open failed
[drm] failed to load kernel module radeon
(EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed to open the DRM
[dri] Disabling DRI.

But I don't think this is related to the sound problem.
Anyway, should I add radeon and drm to the kernel?
Is it a good idea?

I'd be grateful for any advice.

Thanks

Anton

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Re: X breaks sound

2013-05-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf

On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 21:20 +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
 Briefly, the sound works fine until X starts.
 As soon as X starts, sound doesn't work until a reboot.

Assumed pulseaudio should be installed, this likely is the culprit, if
so, remove it.

Hth,
Ralf

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Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?

2013-05-03 Thread paranormal

t61 is LEGO computer actually

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T61

Now you have to upgrade it :)
1) 15.4 1920x1200 (WUXGA) widescreen
2) 8GB RAM
3) SSD
4) WIFI .../n adapter if you are sitting on HEAD

I did only first and third and planning to put 8G RAM.

On Mon, 2013-02-11 at 10:41 +, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
   From: paranormal paranor...@isgroup.com.ua
   Subject: Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?
   To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
   Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 03:23:40 +0200
 
   I have t61p with mentioned card.
   x11/nvidia-driver works well for me (at least quake, doom, compiz work).
 
 Thanks for all the replies.
 
 I bought a T61p for 220 GBP - what bliss!
 
 BIOS update - no problem
 HEAD r246552 - no problem
 wireless with iwn0: Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965 - no problem
 sound with hdac0: Intel 82801H HDA Controller - no problem
 CD-RW with cd0: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-U10N 1.05 Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device
   and sysutils/cdrtools-devel - no problem
 X with nvidia0: Quadro FX 570M and x11/nvidia-driver - no problem
 flash as per 
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html
   (7.2.1.2 Firefox and Adobe Flash Plugin) - no problem
 
 In fact, no problems at all!
 
 I can't recommend it enough.
 
 Anton
 
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Re: Booting from an aribrary disk in ZFS RAIDZ on 8.x

2013-03-07 Thread Doug Poland

On Thu, Mar 07, 2013 at 03:11:29PM +1030, Shane Ambler wrote:
 On 06/03/2013 14:54, Doug Poland wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 01:26:07PM +1030, Shane Ambler wrote:
 On 06/03/2013 05:14, Doug Poland wrote:
 
 I have 6 disks in a RAIDZ configuration.  All disks were sliced the
 same with gpart (da(n)p1,p2,p3) with bootcode written to index 1,
 swap on index 2 and freebsd-zfs on index 3.
 
 Given this configuration, I should be able to boot from any of the
 6 disks in the RAIDZ.  If this is a true statement, how do I make
 that happen from the loader prompt?
 
 You don't boot from an individual disk you boot from a zpool - all
 disks are linked together making one zpool disk.
 
 Something has to pick a physical device from which to boot, does it
 not?.  All the HP Smart Array 6i controller knows is I have 6 RAID 0
 disks to present to the OS.
 
 I meant to add if the bootcode is installed on each disk then pointing
 the bios to any individual disk as the primary boot device will lead
 to the boot process loading the zpool. Installing it on each disk
 gives the redundancy to match the raid in the zpool. If you only have
 one disk with bootcode and it is the one that needs replacing then you
 can't boot. Then having 100 disks in a pool with bootcode would be
 overkill, but the consistency may be easier to maintain.
 
So in my case, the HP SmartArray doesn't allow me to choose an
individual boot disk.  So it's up to the controller to keep trying to
boot from the next configured disk.  I believe I'm going to craft a
test to prove this out.

 I've had issues with this RAID controller in the past where it won't
 present the new disk to the OS.  I've had to reboot, go into the
 RAID config and tell it it's a single RAID 0 device (stupid, I
 know).
 
 When you think about it, as a raid controller it shouldn't make
 assumptions as to how to use the new disk, should it add it to an
 existing raid set, replace a missing drive or show it as a new single
 drive? Being able to specify per socket as permanently jbod could be
 useful feature though.
 
One would think.  I've been testing this on a similarly configured
machine and the controller eventually presents a new drive to the OS.
It takes a couple of minutes, but appears to work on this test box.

 The roll of /boot/zfs/zpool.cache is a mystery to me.  I belive it
 somehow tells ZFS what devices are in use.  What if a disk goes
 offline or is removed?
 
 
 As I understand it the zpool.cache contains the zpools mounted by the
 system. After reboot it then re-imports each zpool in the cache. I
 believe a recent commit enabled the vfs.root.mountfrom zpool to be
 imported even if there was no cache available.
 
 From what I have heard and seen the data about the zpool it belongs to
 and the role the disk plays in the zpool is stored on each disk and
 duplicated at the beginning and end of the disk. In my early
 experiments after starting clean even after gparting and zeroing out
 the start of the disks, zpool still says it belongs to a pool.
 
If that's the case, I wonder about the wisdom of re-using a drive from
my test configuration?  My plan has been to prove this out on test and
use the same disk from test and insert it into production.  One would
think ZFS is smart enough to recognize a different drive has been
inserted, even if it has the same gpart structure and came from a pool
with the same name.

Thanks for your help.

-- 
Regards,
Doug
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Revisiting Traceroute Through ipfw FreeBSD9.x

2013-03-07 Thread Martin McCormick

I immediately found several plausible examples of what to put in
the firewall rules file and the following rules were set just
after the local loopback address:

ip=139.78.2.13

setup_loopback

# Allow traceroute to function, but not to get in.
${fwcmd} add unreach port udp from any to ${ip} 33435-33524
# Allow some inbound icmps - echo reply, dest unreach, source quench,
# echo, ttl exceeded.
${fwcmd} add allow icmp from any to any icmptypes 0,3,4,8,11

My thanks to previous posters for these rules. I still,
however only get

 *traceroute: sendto: Permission denied
traceroute: wrote 192.168.1.125 52 chars, ret=-1

I also did try:

sysctl net.inet.udp.blackhole=0

then 1 and even 2 with no change.

What else should I look at? The firewall rules are
otherwise working as they should.

Thank you.

Martin McCormick
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Re: Booting from an aribrary disk in ZFS RAIDZ on 8.x

2013-03-06 Thread Paul Kraus

On Mar 5, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Doug Poland d...@polands.org wrote:

 I'm running ZFS filesystem ver 3, storage pool ver 14, on 8-STABLE
 amd64. The kernel build is rather dated from around Feb 2010.
 
 I have 6 disks in a RAIDZ configuration.  All disks were sliced
 the same with gpart (da(n)p1,p2,p3) with bootcode written to index 1,
 swap on index 2 and freebsd-zfs on index 3.
 
 Given this configuration, I should be able to boot from any of the 6
 disks in the RAIDZ.  If this is a true statement, how do I make that
 happen from the loader prompt?

Boot in terms of root FS or in terms of boot loader ? 

The boot loader would be set in your BIOS (which physical drive you read for 
that).

/root comes from the zpool/zfs dataset once the boot loader loads enough code 
to find and mount the filesystem. That comes from all the drives in the zpool.

--
Paul Kraus
Deputy Technical Director, LoneStarCon 3
Sound Coordinator, Schenectady Light Opera Company

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Re: Booting from an aribrary disk in ZFS RAIDZ on 8.x

2013-03-06 Thread Shane Ambler


On 06/03/2013 14:54, Doug Poland wrote:

On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 01:26:07PM +1030, Shane Ambler wrote:

On 06/03/2013 05:14, Doug Poland wrote:



I have 6 disks in a RAIDZ configuration.  All disks were sliced
the same with gpart (da(n)p1,p2,p3) with bootcode written to
index 1, swap on index 2 and freebsd-zfs on index 3.

Given this configuration, I should be able to boot from any of
the 6 disks in the RAIDZ.  If this is a true statement, how do I
make that happen from the loader prompt?


You don't boot from an individual disk you boot from a zpool - all
 disks are linked together making one zpool disk.


Something has to pick a physical device from which to boot, does it
not?.  All the HP Smart Array 6i controller knows is I have 6 RAID 0
 disks to present to the OS.


I meant to add if the bootcode is installed on each disk then pointing
the bios to any individual disk as the primary boot device will lead to
the boot process loading the zpool. Installing it on each disk gives the
redundancy to match the raid in the zpool. If you only have one disk
with bootcode and it is the one that needs replacing then you can't
boot. Then having 100 disks in a pool with bootcode would be overkill,
but the consistency may be easier to maintain.


I'm guessing that you ask as your machine isn't booting. You
probably need to boot from a cd and do adjustments.


Not exactly, I have a failing disk in slot 0, which corresponds to
da0 in my device list (AKA gpt/disk0).  I want to make sure I can
boot if I pull this disk and replace it.


If the zpool redundancy is sufficient for the zpool to work without the
drive it shouldn't make any difference as to how the disk disappears
only that the data is accessible/rebuildable.


I've had issues with this RAID controller in the past where it won't
present the new disk to the OS.  I've had to reboot, go into the
RAID config and tell it it's a single RAID 0 device (stupid, I
know).


When you think about it, as a raid controller it shouldn't make
assumptions as to how to use the new disk, should it add it to an
existing raid set, replace a missing drive or show it as a new single
drive? Being able to specify per socket as permanently jbod could be
useful feature though.


The roll of /boot/zfs/zpool.cache is a mystery to me.  I belive it
somehow tells ZFS what devices are in use.  What if a disk goes
offline or is removed?



As I understand it the zpool.cache contains the zpools mounted by the
system. After reboot it then re-imports each zpool in the cache. I
believe a recent commit enabled the vfs.root.mountfrom zpool to be
imported even if there was no cache available.

From what I have heard and seen the data about the zpool it belongs to
and the role the disk plays in the zpool is stored on each disk and
duplicated at the beginning and end of the disk. In my early experiments
after starting clean even after gparting and zeroing out the start of
the disks, zpool still says it belongs to a pool.

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Booting from an aribrary disk in ZFS RAIDZ on 8.x

2013-03-05 Thread Doug Poland

Hello,

I'm running ZFS filesystem ver 3, storage pool ver 14, on 8-STABLE
amd64. The kernel build is rather dated from around Feb 2010.

I have 6 disks in a RAIDZ configuration.  All disks were sliced
the same with gpart (da(n)p1,p2,p3) with bootcode written to index 1,
swap on index 2 and freebsd-zfs on index 3.

Given this configuration, I should be able to boot from any of the 6
disks in the RAIDZ.  If this is a true statement, how do I make that
happen from the loader prompt?

At the loader prompt when I type show, I get the following relevant
variables:

currdev=zfs0
loaddev=disk1a:
vfs.root.mountfrom=zfs:rpool

A peek at man loader(1) shows me two interesting variables:
root_disk_unit
rootdev

If disk0 is the legacy floppy device, presumably disk1a: maps to da0.
What variable do I set to signify boot from what I know as:

da0p1 == gpt/boot0 
da0p2 == gpt/swap0 
da0p3 == gpt/disk0
...
snip
...
da5p1 == gpt/boot5 
da5p2 == gpt/swap5 
da5p3 == gpt/disk5

Thanks very much in advance.  BTW, is it bad form to cross-post to
forums.freebsd.org?

-- 
Regards,
Doug
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Re: Booting from an aribrary disk in ZFS RAIDZ on 8.x

2013-03-05 Thread Shane Ambler


On 06/03/2013 05:14, Doug Poland wrote:

Hello,

I'm running ZFS filesystem ver 3, storage pool ver 14, on 8-STABLE
amd64. The kernel build is rather dated from around Feb 2010.


You probably want to update that sometime.


I have 6 disks in a RAIDZ configuration.  All disks were sliced
the same with gpart (da(n)p1,p2,p3) with bootcode written to index 1,
swap on index 2 and freebsd-zfs on index 3.

Given this configuration, I should be able to boot from any of the 6
disks in the RAIDZ.  If this is a true statement, how do I make that
happen from the loader prompt?


You don't boot from an individual disk you boot from a zpool - all disks 
are linked together making one zpool disk.



At the loader prompt when I type show, I get the following relevant
variables:

currdev=zfs0
loaddev=disk1a:
vfs.root.mountfrom=zfs:rpool


zfs:rpool is the disk you boot from.

I'm guessing that you ask as your machine isn't booting.
You probably need to boot from a cd and do adjustments.

You have zfs_load=yes in /boot/loader.conf ?
You have vfs.root.mountfrom=zfs:rpool in /boot/loader.conf ?
You have zfs_enable=yes in /etc/rc.conf ?
You have zpool set bootfs=rpool rpool or similar?

I think it has been resolved recently but you used to have to copy the 
zpool.cache into /boot


Did you set the mountpoint when installing and not change it back?

I had issues with setting up with a mountpoint / and changing it to 
legacy. Setting the mountpoint as you want before setup then use altroot 
to mount it for install is the way to go.


If you search wiki.freebsd.org for zfs you can find several examples 
that may provide hints to what you missed.


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Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?

2013-02-11 Thread Anton Shterenlikht

From: paranormal paranor...@isgroup.com.ua
Subject: Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 03:23:40 +0200

I have t61p with mentioned card.
x11/nvidia-driver works well for me (at least quake, doom, compiz work).

Thanks for all the replies.

I bought a T61p for 220 GBP - what bliss!

BIOS update - no problem
HEAD r246552 - no problem
wireless with iwn0: Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965 - no problem
sound with hdac0: Intel 82801H HDA Controller - no problem
CD-RW with cd0: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-U10N 1.05 Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device
  and sysutils/cdrtools-devel - no problem
X with nvidia0: Quadro FX 570M and x11/nvidia-driver - no problem
flash as per 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html
  (7.2.1.2 Firefox and Adobe Flash Plugin) - no problem

In fact, no problems at all!

I can't recommend it enough.

Anton

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Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?

2013-02-11 Thread Ian Smith

On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:41:31 GMT, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
   From: paranormal paranor...@isgroup.com.ua
   Subject: Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?
   To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
   Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 03:23:40 +0200

   I have t61p with mentioned card.
   x11/nvidia-driver works well for me (at least quake, doom, compiz work).

  Thanks for all the replies.

  I bought a T61p for 220 GBP - what bliss!

  BIOS update - no problem
  HEAD r246552 - no problem
  wireless with iwn0: Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965 - no problem
  sound with hdac0: Intel 82801H HDA Controller - no problem
  CD-RW with cd0: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-U10N 1.05 Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 
  device
and sysutils/cdrtools-devel - no problem
  X with nvidia0: Quadro FX 570M and x11/nvidia-driver - no problem
  flash as per 
  http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html
(7.2.1.2 Firefox and Adobe Flash Plugin) - no problem

  In fact, no problems at all!

  I can't recommend it enough.

  Anton

Suspend and resume?

cheers, Ian
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Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?

2013-02-11 Thread Polytropon

On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 00:30:59 +1100 (EST), Ian Smith wrote:
 On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:41:31 GMT, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
  From: paranormal paranor...@isgroup.com.ua
  Subject: Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?
  To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
  Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 03:23:40 +0200
   
  I have t61p with mentioned card.
  x11/nvidia-driver works well for me (at least quake, doom, compiz work).
   
   Thanks for all the replies.
   
   I bought a T61p for 220 GBP - what bliss!
   
   BIOS update - no problem
   HEAD r246552 - no problem
   wireless with iwn0: Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965 - no problem
   sound with hdac0: Intel 82801H HDA Controller - no problem
   CD-RW with cd0: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-U10N 1.05 Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 
 device
 and sysutils/cdrtools-devel - no problem
   X with nvidia0: Quadro FX 570M and x11/nvidia-driver - no problem
   flash as per 
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html
 (7.2.1.2 Firefox and Adobe Flash Plugin) - no problem
   
   In fact, no problems at all!
   
   I can't recommend it enough.
   
   Anton
 
 Suspend and resume?

I'd be interested in that, too (to possibly transform this knowledge
to the T60p I have).

And docking station support (if you have it)?




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Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
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Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?

2013-02-11 Thread Anton Shterenlikht

From smi...@nimnet.asn.au Mon Feb 11 13:49:38 2013

On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:41:31 GMT, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
   From: paranormal paranor...@isgroup.com.ua
   Subject: Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?
   To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
   Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 03:23:40 +0200

   I have t61p with mentioned card.
   x11/nvidia-driver works well for me (at least quake, doom, 
compiz work).

  Thanks for all the replies.

  I bought a T61p for 220 GBP - what bliss!

  BIOS update - no problem
  HEAD r246552 - no problem
  wireless with iwn0: Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965 - no problem
  sound with hdac0: Intel 82801H HDA Controller - no problem
  CD-RW with cd0: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-U10N 1.05 Removable CD-ROM 
SCSI-0 device
and sysutils/cdrtools-devel - no problem
  X with nvidia0: Quadro FX 570M and x11/nvidia-driver - no problem
  flash as per 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html
(7.2.1.2 Firefox and Adobe Flash Plugin) - no problem

  In fact, no problems at all!

  I can't recommend it enough.

  Anton

Suspend and resume?

I guess no... However, I'm very ignorant of suspend/resume,
so not sure I'm doing the right thing.

- the T61p manual details standby and hibernation modes.
Is this what you refer to by suspend?
I can go into standby with Fn+F4, or with acpiconf -s 3
but can't seem to get back. The disk starts, but the
screen is corrupted, kind of black with very few white dots.
I have to power off/on. 

The Fn+F12, hibernation mode code, does not seem to
do anything.

- I've had a quick look at acpi(4) and apm(8).
I have:

hw.acpi.supported_sleep_state: S3 S4 S5
hw.acpi.s4bios: 0

-  Anything I should check/test in BIOS?
I see that power management is enabled in BIOS.
Is that enough?

Anton
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Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?

2013-02-11 Thread Polytropon

On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 14:28:30 GMT, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
I guess no... However, I'm very ignorant of suspend/resume,
so not sure I'm doing the right thing.

For those who use the laptop in transportable mode (i. e.
not on the desktop as a desktop-PC substitute), those
features might be interesting in order to save power.

- the T61p manual details standby and hibernation modes.
Is this what you refer to by suspend?

Both are _different_ kinds, if I remember correctly.

Standby stores machine states in RAM and buffers it with
the battery power. This mode still requires power. This
is ACPI states S2 and S3.

Hibernate stores machine data somewhere on hard disk or
SSD. This mode does not require power. This is ACPI state
S4.

I can go into standby with Fn+F4, or with acpiconf -s 3
but can't seem to get back. The disk starts, but the
screen is corrupted, kind of black with very few white dots.

That seems to indicate that the GPU memory data is lost.
A typical problem with those sleep states.

- I've had a quick look at acpi(4) and apm(8).

APM is not in use anymore. ACPI has taken that functionality
at the point in time when APM has been brought to a fully
functional state.

I have:

hw.acpi.supported_sleep_state: S3 S4 S5
hw.acpi.s4bios: 0

From
http://static.usenix.org/event/usenix02/tech/freenix/full_papers/watanabe/watanabe_html/node6.html
you can see:

S3: sleep states. In these states, memory contexts are held
but CPU contexts are lost. The differences between S2 and
S3 are in CPU re-initialization done by firmware and device
re-initialization.

S4: a sleep state in which contexts are saved to disk. The
context will be restored upon the return to S0. This is
identical to soft-off for hardware. This state can be
implemented by either OS or firmware.

S5: the soft-off state. All activity will stop and all contexts
are lost.

- Anything I should check/test in BIOS?

The obvious things, but I assume the presets are already
fine for a laptop.

I see that power management is enabled in BIOS.
Is that enough?

It should be. Note that PM can also include things like
spinning down disks or reducing CPU power.

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Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?

2013-02-11 Thread Ian Smith

On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 14:28:30 GMT, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
   From smi...@nimnet.asn.au Mon Feb 11 13:49:38 2013

   On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:41:31 GMT, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
  From: paranormal paranor...@isgroup.com.ua
  Subject: Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?
  To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
  Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 03:23:40 +0200

  I have t61p with mentioned card.
  x11/nvidia-driver works well for me (at least quake, doom, 
  compiz work).

 Thanks for all the replies.

 I bought a T61p for 220 GBP - what bliss!

 BIOS update - no problem
 HEAD r246552 - no problem
 wireless with iwn0: Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965 - no problem
 sound with hdac0: Intel 82801H HDA Controller - no problem
 CD-RW with cd0: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-U10N 1.05 Removable CD-ROM 
  SCSI-0 device
   and sysutils/cdrtools-devel - no problem
 X with nvidia0: Quadro FX 570M and x11/nvidia-driver - no problem
 flash as per 
  http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html
   (7.2.1.2 Firefox and Adobe Flash Plugin) - no problem

 In fact, no problems at all!

 I can't recommend it enough.

 Anton

   Suspend and resume?

  I guess no... However, I'm very ignorant of suspend/resume,
  so not sure I'm doing the right thing.

  - the T61p manual details standby and hibernation modes.
  Is this what you refer to by suspend?
  I can go into standby with Fn+F4, or with acpiconf -s 3

Ok, state S3 is what we call suspend, more precisely suspend to RAM 
(STR); windows and so most BIOSes call that state standby.

  but can't seem to get back. The disk starts, but the
  screen is corrupted, kind of black with very few white dots.
  I have to power off/on. 

A common enough tale these days.  I try to remain hopeful someone will 
get a more modern Thinkpad than the T43s (reportedly) or my older T23s 
(certainly) resuming in one unbroken piece every time again, one day ..

  The Fn+F12, hibernation mode code, does not seem to
  do anything.

  - I've had a quick look at acpi(4) and apm(8).
  I have:

  hw.acpi.supported_sleep_state: S3 S4 S5
  hw.acpi.s4bios: 0

S3 is suspend to RAM; S4 suspend to disk (STD, unsupported by FreeBSD);
S5 is power off, should work but may bypass some shutdown(8) processing.

S4, STD - 'hibernation' - has two varieties; with s4bios the BIOS itself 
writes machine state and all RAM to disk, usually a preallocated file in 
an msdosfs slice.  I haven't heard of any new boxes supporting this in 
BIOS for years; windows (since ~'95) and Linux (I'm told) support STD.

  -  Anything I should check/test in BIOS?
  I see that power management is enabled in BIOS.
  Is that enough?

It should be, but doesn't seem to work on many.  When it resumes with 
messed up screen, can you ping it, or maybe ssh in, or is it dead?

If you boot it but don't start X, can it come back from suspend?

Frankly, unless you're _really_ keen to get STR working, this could turn 
into not just a rabbithole, but the whole warren - you'll have to really 
want to be the bunny!

Sounds like a very nice machine otherwise :)

cheers, Ian
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Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?

2013-02-11 Thread Anton Shterenlikht

From smi...@nimnet.asn.au Mon Feb 11 16:59:49 2013

On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 14:28:30 GMT, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
   From smi...@nimnet.asn.au Mon Feb 11 13:49:38 2013

   On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:41:31 GMT, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
  From: paranormal paranor...@isgroup.com.ua
  Subject: Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?
  To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
  Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2013 03:23:40 +0200

  I have t61p with mentioned card.
  x11/nvidia-driver works well for me (at least quake, 
doom, compiz work).

 Thanks for all the replies.

 I bought a T61p for 220 GBP - what bliss!

 BIOS update - no problem
 HEAD r246552 - no problem
 wireless with iwn0: Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965 - no 
problem
 sound with hdac0: Intel 82801H HDA Controller - no problem
 CD-RW with cd0: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-U10N 1.05 Removable 
CD-ROM SCSI-0 device
   and sysutils/cdrtools-devel - no problem
 X with nvidia0: Quadro FX 570M and x11/nvidia-driver - no 
problem
 flash as per 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html
   (7.2.1.2 Firefox and Adobe Flash Plugin) - no problem

 In fact, no problems at all!

 I can't recommend it enough.

 Anton

   Suspend and resume?

  I guess no... However, I'm very ignorant of suspend/resume,
  so not sure I'm doing the right thing.

  - the T61p manual details standby and hibernation modes.
  Is this what you refer to by suspend?
  I can go into standby with Fn+F4, or with acpiconf -s 3

Ok, state S3 is what we call suspend, more precisely suspend to RAM 
(STR); windows and so most BIOSes call that state standby.

  but can't seem to get back. The disk starts, but the
  screen is corrupted, kind of black with very few white dots.
  I have to power off/on. 

A common enough tale these days.  I try to remain hopeful someone will 
get a more modern Thinkpad than the T43s (reportedly) or my older T23s 
(certainly) resuming in one unbroken piece every time again, one day ..

  The Fn+F12, hibernation mode code, does not seem to
  do anything.

  - I've had a quick look at acpi(4) and apm(8).
  I have:

  hw.acpi.supported_sleep_state: S3 S4 S5
  hw.acpi.s4bios: 0

S3 is suspend to RAM; S4 suspend to disk (STD, unsupported by FreeBSD);
S5 is power off, should work but may bypass some shutdown(8) processing.

S4, STD - 'hibernation' - has two varieties; with s4bios the BIOS 
itself 
writes machine state and all RAM to disk, usually a preallocated file 
in 
an msdosfs slice.  I haven't heard of any new boxes supporting this in 
BIOS for years; windows (since ~'95) and Linux (I'm told) support STD.

  -  Anything I should check/test in BIOS?
  I see that power management is enabled in BIOS.
  Is that enough?

It should be, but doesn't seem to work on many.  When it resumes with 
messed up screen, can you ping it, or maybe ssh in, or is it dead?

yes, I thought of this, but haven't checked yet.
I haven't got a static IP allocated yet, and
I somehow can never ssh into a box with DHCP allocated address.

If you boot it but don't start X, can it come back from suspend?

no, with or without X - same result.

Frankly, unless you're _really_ keen to get STR working, this could 
turn 
into not just a rabbithole, but the whole warren - you'll have to 
really 
want to be the bunny!

no, certainly not for me.
I'm all for helping committers with testing
patches and such, but for me suspend/resume
is not really an issue.

Sounds like a very nice machine otherwise :)

yes, it's definitely better than HP Compaq 6715s I used before.

cheers, Ian

Thanks

Anton
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Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?

2013-02-05 Thread paranormal

I have t61p with mentioned card.
x11/nvidia-driver works well for me (at least quake, doom, compiz work).

On Sun, 2013-02-03 at 10:33 +, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
 I'm considering buying this Thinkpad T61p laptop:
 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321063105251
 
 It lists this graphics card:
 
 NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M
 
 I'm not sure what driver, if any, will support it.
 
 There seems to be the official Nvidia FreeBSD driver
 provided for it:
 
 http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd_100.14.09.html
 
 but this apparently has to be installed outside of
 the ports tree.
 
 xf86-video-nv drivers list several other Quadro cards,
 but not specifically 570M.
 
 Maybe somebody has used this card, so can give a
 definite reply?
 
 Thanks
 
 Anton
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which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?

2013-02-03 Thread Anton Shterenlikht

I'm considering buying this Thinkpad T61p laptop:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321063105251

It lists this graphics card:

NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M

I'm not sure what driver, if any, will support it.

There seems to be the official Nvidia FreeBSD driver
provided for it:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd_100.14.09.html

but this apparently has to be installed outside of
the ports tree.

xf86-video-nv drivers list several other Quadro cards,
but not specifically 570M.

Maybe somebody has used this card, so can give a
definite reply?

Thanks

Anton
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Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?

On 02/03/13 03:33, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
 I'm considering buying this Thinkpad T61p laptop:
 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321063105251
 
 It lists this graphics card:
 
 NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M
 
 I'm not sure what driver, if any, will support it.
 
 There seems to be the official Nvidia FreeBSD driver
 provided for it:
 
 http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd_100.14.09.html
 
 but this apparently has to be installed outside of
 the ports tree.
 
 xf86-video-nv drivers list several other Quadro cards,
 but not specifically 570M.
 
 Maybe somebody has used this card, so can give a
 definite reply?

I can't specifically address that issue, but according to this page:
  http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/compiz-fusion/nvidia-setup.html
recent nvidia cards should be supported by the 
  x11/nvidia-driver port

The nvidia legacy driver page does not list that card, so it may be
supported with the current x11/nvidia-driver port
  http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html

I have a GT-610 and it is also not listed.
I am in the process of upgrading to 9.1 as well, 
but am fighting a bad SSD and have to reconfigure.

Don't know if this helps or not...

Gary
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Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?

On 02/03/13 08:53, Gary Aitken wrote:
 On 02/03/13 03:33, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
 I'm considering buying this Thinkpad T61p laptop:
 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321063105251

 It lists this graphics card:

 NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M

 I'm not sure what driver, if any, will support it.

 There seems to be the official Nvidia FreeBSD driver
 provided for it:

 http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd_100.14.09.html

 but this apparently has to be installed outside of
 the ports tree.

 xf86-video-nv drivers list several other Quadro cards,
 but not specifically 570M.

 Maybe somebody has used this card, so can give a
 definite reply?
 
 I can't specifically address that issue, but according to this page:
   http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/compiz-fusion/nvidia-setup.html
 recent nvidia cards should be supported by the 
   x11/nvidia-driver port

Ugh, I just tried to build that and it is marked as IGNORE

 The nvidia legacy driver page does not list that card, so it may be
 supported with the current x11/nvidia-driver port
   http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html
 
 I have a GT-610 and it is also not listed.
 I am in the process of upgrading to 9.1 as well, 
 but am fighting a bad SSD and have to reconfigure.

The most recent nvidia port I can find is  
  NVIDIA-FreeBSD-x86_64-304.64.tar.gz 
It builds fine, but on installing it craps out with the following message:
  /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers  No such file or directory

On 9.0, where I am using the 304.60 version, X11R6 is a pointer to /usr/local.
But my install of 9.1 has an actual /usr/X11R6, and that means things are
scattered all over, some in /usr/local/lib/xorg and some in /usr/X11R6.
This may be a glitch on my end; not sure yet.  I had to restart my ports
build because I screwed up and didn't do a fetch before building x11/xorg,
and that may have created some bad directories.

Can anyone verify if /usr/X11R6 under 9.1 is supposed to be a symlink to
/usr/local?

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Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?

2013-02-03 Thread Polytropon

On Sun, 03 Feb 2013 08:53:49 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote:
 On 02/03/13 03:33, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
  I'm considering buying this Thinkpad T61p laptop:
  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321063105251
  
  It lists this graphics card:
  
  NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M
  
  I'm not sure what driver, if any, will support it.
  
  There seems to be the official Nvidia FreeBSD driver
  provided for it:
  
  http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd_100.14.09.html
  
  but this apparently has to be installed outside of
  the ports tree.
  
  xf86-video-nv drivers list several other Quadro cards,
  but not specifically 570M.
  
  Maybe somebody has used this card, so can give a
  definite reply?
 
 I can't specifically address that issue, but according to this page:
   http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/compiz-fusion/nvidia-setup.html

This is how I got my nVidia card working. It's worth mentioning
that the alternatives -- the nv driver (from X.org) and the
nouveau driver -- did work, but had poor 3D performance. The
proprietary driver by nVidia can be easily installed according
to the article you've mentioned.



 recent nvidia cards should be supported by the 
   x11/nvidia-driver port

This is currently the most advanced driver for that brand.
However, I had trouble with it when installing the 64 bit OS
and I went back to 32 bit, so I can't tell if this has been
improved.




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Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?

2013-02-03 Thread Polytropon

On Sun, 03 Feb 2013 09:38:07 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote:
 On 02/03/13 08:53, Gary Aitken wrote:
  On 02/03/13 03:33, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
  I'm considering buying this Thinkpad T61p laptop:
  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321063105251
 
  It lists this graphics card:
 
  NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M
 
  I'm not sure what driver, if any, will support it.
 
  There seems to be the official Nvidia FreeBSD driver
  provided for it:
 
  http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd_100.14.09.html
 
  but this apparently has to be installed outside of
  the ports tree.
 
  xf86-video-nv drivers list several other Quadro cards,
  but not specifically 570M.
 
  Maybe somebody has used this card, so can give a
  definite reply?
  
  I can't specifically address that issue, but according to this page:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/compiz-fusion/nvidia-setup.html
  recent nvidia cards should be supported by the 
x11/nvidia-driver port
 
 Ugh, I just tried to build that and it is marked as IGNORE

Is the reason still requires fairly recent FreeBSD-STABLE, or
FreeBSD-CURRENT? See /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver/Makefile for
details. I've been successfully installing 270.41.19 in 8-STABLE
some time ago.



  The nvidia legacy driver page does not list that card, so it may be
  supported with the current x11/nvidia-driver port
http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html
  
  I have a GT-610 and it is also not listed.
  I am in the process of upgrading to 9.1 as well, 
  but am fighting a bad SSD and have to reconfigure.
 
 The most recent nvidia port I can find is  
   NVIDIA-FreeBSD-x86_64-304.64.tar.gz 
 It builds fine, but on installing it craps out with the following message:
   /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers  No such file or directory

Very strange.



 On 9.0, where I am using the 304.60 version, X11R6 is a pointer to /usr/local.

That's the default for some time now. Even FreeBSD v8 already
has that symlink, maybe it has already been part of v7 (not sure).

lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  10 2011-08-21 22:32:05 /usr/X11R6@ - /usr/local



 But my install of 9.1 has an actual /usr/X11R6, and that means things are
 scattered all over, some in /usr/local/lib/xorg and some in /usr/X11R6.

Where did you get the real X11R6/ directory entry from? Is this
some legacy of continuous updating the system beginning at a
version that actually had X11R6/ as a directory?



 This may be a glitch on my end; not sure yet. 

I think it is. The port expects something that actually is in
/usr/local, which would have been the same as in /usr/X11R6,
but in your case, it's not.



 I had to restart my ports
 build because I screwed up and didn't do a fetch before building x11/xorg,
 and that may have created some bad directories.

In worst case, maybe you can remove your ports and recreate the
reqired directory structures using the mtree templates
BSD.local.dist (and maybe BSD.x11.dist or BSD.x11-4.dist),
or maybe the xorg port will install the symlink automatically?
If you're not sure, create the symlink yourself and continue
as if nothing had happened. :-)


 Can anyone verify if /usr/X11R6 under 9.1 is supposed to be a symlink to
 /usr/local?

I stronly assume it is (no v9 OS at hand to check).



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Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?

2013-02-03 Thread Warren Block


On Sun, 3 Feb 2013, Gary Aitken wrote:


Can anyone verify if /usr/X11R6 under 9.1 is supposed to be a symlink to
/usr/local?


Yes, or rather, there is no /usr/X11R6 at all, on either of the two 
9-stable systems I checked.

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Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?


 The nvidia legacy driver page does not list that card, so it may be
 supported with the current x11/nvidia-driver port
   http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html

 I have a GT-610 and it is also not listed.
 I am in the process of upgrading to 9.1 as well, 
 but am fighting a bad SSD and have to reconfigure.

 The most recent nvidia port I can find is  
   NVIDIA-FreeBSD-x86_64-304.64.tar.gz 
 It builds fine, but on installing it craps out with the following message:
   /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers  No such file or directory
...
 On 9.0, where I am using the 304.60 version, X11R6 is a pointer to 
 /usr/local.
 
 That's the default for some time now. Even FreeBSD v8 already
 has that symlink, maybe it has already been part of v7 (not sure).
 
 lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  10 2011-08-21 22:32:05 /usr/X11R6@ - /usr/local
 
 But my install of 9.1 has an actual /usr/X11R6, and that means things are
 scattered all over, some in /usr/local/lib/xorg and some in /usr/X11R6.
 
 Where did you get the real X11R6/ directory entry from? Is this
 some legacy of continuous updating the system beginning at a
 version that actually had X11R6/ as a directory?

That's what I'd like to know :-)
I suspect it is from building the nvidia driver, 
as those Makefiles use
  X11BASE=   /usr/X11R6

 This may be a glitch on my end; not sure yet. 
 
 I think it is. The port expects something that actually is in
 /usr/local, which would have been the same as in /usr/X11R6,
 but in your case, it's not.
 
 I had to restart my ports
 build because I screwed up and didn't do a fetch before building x11/xorg,
 and that may have created some bad directories.
 
 In worst case, maybe you can remove your ports and recreate the
 reqired directory structures using the mtree templates
 BSD.local.dist (and maybe BSD.x11.dist or BSD.x11-4.dist),
 or maybe the xorg port will install the symlink automatically?
 If you're not sure, create the symlink yourself and continue
 as if nothing had happened. :-)

I think manually creating the symlink and rebuilding x and the nvidia
port may be what I'll try next.

 Can anyone verify if /usr/X11R6 under 9.1 is supposed to be a symlink to
 /usr/local?
 
 I stronly assume it is (no v9 OS at hand to check).

On 02/03/13 10:42, Warren Block wrote:

 Yes, or rather, there is no /usr/X11R6 at all, on either of the two 9-stable 
 systems I checked.

Hmmm, there is on my 9.0 with an nvidia driver installed.
Are you running an nvidia driver?
If not, that would hint that the X11R6 dir/link is a result of the nvidia driver
install process

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Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?

2013-02-03 Thread Warren Block


On Sun, 3 Feb 2013, Gary Aitken wrote:


I suspect it is from building the nvidia driver,
as those Makefiles use
 X11BASE=   /usr/X11R6


Last I heard from the ports guys, that is obsolete.


On 02/03/13 10:42, Warren Block wrote:


Yes, or rather, there is no /usr/X11R6 at all, on either of the two 9-stable 
systems I checked.


Hmmm, there is on my 9.0 with an nvidia driver installed.
Are you running an nvidia driver?
If not, that would hint that the X11R6 dir/link is a result of the nvidia driver
install process


No Nvidia cards here at all.
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Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?

2013-02-03 Thread Polytropon

On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 11:29:30 -0700 (MST), Warren Block wrote:
 On Sun, 3 Feb 2013, Gary Aitken wrote:
 
  I suspect it is from building the nvidia driver,
  as those Makefiles use
   X11BASE=   /usr/X11R6
 
 Last I heard from the ports guys, that is obsolete.

If I remember correctly, X11BASE equals LOCALBASE, which
is /usr/local, so any Makefile which uses X11BASE will
be directed to /usr/local. It's not clear to me why a
Makefile defines a location that has been obsolated...





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Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?

On 02/03/13 11:32, Polytropon wrote:
 On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 11:29:30 -0700 (MST), Warren Block wrote:
 On Sun, 3 Feb 2013, Gary Aitken wrote:

 I suspect it is from building the nvidia driver,
 as those Makefiles use
  X11BASE=   /usr/X11R6

 Last I heard from the ports guys, that is obsolete.
 
 If I remember correctly, X11BASE equals LOCALBASE, which
 is /usr/local, so any Makefile which uses X11BASE will
 be directed to /usr/local. It's not clear to me why a
 Makefile defines a location that has been obsolated...

It's surrounded by 

.if !defined(X11BASE)
X11BASE=/usr/X11R6
.endif

Which would protect it if it was defined;
but I don't see where X11BASE is defined anywhere in 
  /usr/ports/Mk
  /usr/share/mk

If it's been obsoleted, that would be the problem.

However, I don't see LOCALBASE defined anywhere except in terms of itself, 
either.
Where is it initially set?
Not being a make dude, I'm out of my element here
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Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?

On 02/03/13 13:34, Warren Block wrote:
 On Sun, 3 Feb 2013, Gary Aitken wrote:
 On 02/03/13 11:32, Polytropon wrote:
 On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 11:29:30 -0700 (MST), Warren Block wrote:
 On Sun, 3 Feb 2013, Gary Aitken wrote:

 I suspect it is from building the nvidia driver,
 as those Makefiles use
  X11BASE=   /usr/X11R6

 Last I heard from the ports guys, that is obsolete.

 If I remember correctly, X11BASE equals LOCALBASE, which
 is /usr/local, so any Makefile which uses X11BASE will
 be directed to /usr/local. It's not clear to me why a
 Makefile defines a location that has been obsolated...

 It's surrounded by

 .if !defined(X11BASE)
 X11BASE=/usr/X11R6
 .endif

 Which would protect it if it was defined;
 but I don't see where X11BASE is defined anywhere in
  /usr/ports/Mk
  /usr/share/mk

 If it's been obsoleted, that would be the problem.

 However, I don't see LOCALBASE defined anywhere except in terms of itself, 
 either.
 Where is it initially set?
 Not being a make dude, I'm out of my element here
 
 Do you have it defined in /etc/make.conf?

No; the only thing defined in /etc/make.conf is PERL_VERSION

For the OP, I (just now) got the nvidia driver and x to compile and run 
under 9.1 as follows:

1. make and install the x11/xorg port
2. create the symlink /usr/X11R6 to point to /usr/local
   if /usr/X11R6 already exists as a regular directory and has stuff in it,
   move it aside or delete it.  I found mine only had stuff from previous
   attempts to build the nvidia driver in it (a bin plain file(!), and a
   lib containing files from the nvidia driver build), so I deleted it.
3. download and unpack the nvidia driver;
   I used
 NVIDIA-FreeBSD-x86_64-304.64.tar.gz
   but note that that file is specific to my architecture, which is amd64;
   you'll need the appropriate one for your architecture.
4. make the nvidia driver
5. make sure step #4 added the line
 nvidia_load=YES
   to /boot/loader.conf
6. add the following lines to /etc/rc.conf if not already present
 # Enable hald and dbus for X to work with kbd and mouse
 hald_enable=YES
 dbus_enable=YES

Gary


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Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?

2013-02-03 Thread Warren Block


On Sun, 3 Feb 2013, Gary Aitken wrote:


For the OP, I (just now) got the nvidia driver and x to compile and run
under 9.1 as follows:

1. make and install the x11/xorg port
2. create the symlink /usr/X11R6 to point to /usr/local
  if /usr/X11R6 already exists as a regular directory and has stuff in it,
  move it aside or delete it.  I found mine only had stuff from previous
  attempts to build the nvidia driver in it (a bin plain file(!), and a
  lib containing files from the nvidia driver build), so I deleted it.
3. download and unpack the nvidia driver;
  I used
NVIDIA-FreeBSD-x86_64-304.64.tar.gz
  but note that that file is specific to my architecture, which is amd64;
  you'll need the appropriate one for your architecture.
4. make the nvidia driver
5. make sure step #4 added the line
nvidia_load=YES
  to /boot/loader.conf
6. add the following lines to /etc/rc.conf if not already present
# Enable hald and dbus for X to work with kbd and mouse
hald_enable=YES
dbus_enable=YES


Why not just use the port?
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Re: which X driver for NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M?

On 02/03/13 16:11, Warren Block wrote:
 On Sun, 3 Feb 2013, Gary Aitken wrote:

 For the OP, I (just now) got the nvidia driver and x to compile and run
 under 9.1 as follows:

 1. make and install the x11/xorg port
 2. create the symlink /usr/X11R6 to point to /usr/local
   if /usr/X11R6 already exists as a regular directory and has stuff in it,
   move it aside or delete it.  I found mine only had stuff from previous
   attempts to build the nvidia driver in it (a bin plain file(!), and a
   lib containing files from the nvidia driver build), so I deleted it.
 3. download and unpack the nvidia driver;
   I used
 NVIDIA-FreeBSD-x86_64-304.64.tar.gz
   but note that that file is specific to my architecture, which is amd64;
   you'll need the appropriate one for your architecture.
 4. make the nvidia driver
 5. make sure step #4 added the line
 nvidia_load=YES
   to /boot/loader.conf
 6. add the following lines to /etc/rc.conf if not already present
 # Enable hald and dbus for X to work with kbd and mouse
 hald_enable=YES
 dbus_enable=YES
 
 Why not just use the port?

When I tried that I got some message (can't remember what it was) saying the
port was obsolete or something like that implying it shouldn't be used.  I
thought the msg was in one of the posts I made but I can't find it.  I just
looked at the Makefile for the port and it looks like it is using the same
version of the driver so maybe it will work fine.  The message may also
have been the result of the port build being messed up because of the 
extraneous /usr/X11R6 directory I had at the time.
If I end up rebuilding I will try it.

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Have there been any fixes for long TCP delays with FreeBSD 8.3 or 9.x?

2013-01-18 Thread Richard Sharpe

Hi folks,

I am seeing a problem when copying large files via SMB/Samba from a
FreeBSD 8.0-based system (with Samba 3.6.6 and ZFS etc) where
eventually Windows drops the connection.

However, it seems, based on three captures I have, that what has
happened is that FreeBSD has not supplied any data on the connection
for 50-60 seconds and the Windows 60-second timeout trips.

In each case, what I see is a large number of 1500-byte frames go out.
Then Windows ACKs a reasonable amount of data, 30+K or so, and then
sends another ACK to ack everything so far received.

Then in two cases, after about 52 seconds I see some more data in two
of the captures I have but after a further few seconds, Windows
disconnects. In the last capture, there was no further data for 60
seconds, so Windows disconnected.

I know there should have been more data because:

1. The READ requests are for 64kiB and there is still data to come and
the sequence numbers match up.

2. In my Samba traces I know that Samba has gone on to process the
next SMB2 command in sequence and the time difference between these
are of the order of 1mS and Samba in this case is operating in sync
mode where it does not read the next command off the socket until it
has finished writing the response for the previous command to the
socket.

The system is relatively idle. Only one smbd and some web traffic
(inbound as a result of a get).

I am hoping that this describes a known problem. I can provide
captures on request. They will have to be cut-down as they are 300 to
500MB in length.

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gpart and FreeBSD 8.x

2012-12-03 Thread Rick Miller

For anyone interested, Posted a new blog with regards to gpart on
FreeBSD 8.x (with a link to one of Warren's blog posts):

http://blog.hostileadmin.com/2012/12/03/freebsd-partitions-and-filesystems-with-gpart/

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Re: gpart and FreeBSD 8.x

2012-12-03 Thread Julien Cigar


On 12/03/2012 13:31, Rick Miller wrote:

For anyone interested, Posted a new blog with regards to gpart on
FreeBSD 8.x (with a link to one of Warren's blog posts):

http://blog.hostileadmin.com/2012/12/03/freebsd-partitions-and-filesystems-with-gpart/


gpart is in BASE on 8.x so there is nothing to install


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Re: gpart and FreeBSD 8.x

2012-12-03 Thread Rick Miller

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Julien Cigar jci...@ulb.ac.be wrote:

 gpart is in BASE on 8.x so there is nothing to install


Thanks, Julien!  I added a comment to this effect on the post!

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Tuning modern (i.e. 9.x) FreeBSD Systems for 'servers' - any guides?

2012-11-20 Thread Karl Pielorz



Hi,

We've got a number of 9.x systems in service - replacing a number of older 
6/7/8 ones.


In the olden days (going back quite a while) you had to fiddle around with 
stuff like NMBCLUSTERS, MAXUSERS etc. In fact, if you have a look around 
Google it's littered with guides/articles for this stuff, which appears to 
be all very out of date.


Does anyone have any links for 'modern' tuning guides - or is it simply not 
necessary with newer FreeBSD versions? (e.g. 9.x upwards) e.g. if the 
machine is amd64 w/6-8Gb of RAM - running GENERIC.


The servers typically handle lots of TCP sessions - so I'm just concerned 
about what in the olden days would have been network buffers etc.


Thanks,

-Karl
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Audacity Upgrade 1.x - 2.x Craps Out

2012-10-28 Thread Joseph a Nagy Jr

I am trying an upgrade to audacity (1.x to 2.x) but it has crapped out;
nothing in updating about audacity issues.

http://pastebin.com/WxPvgKXf

I can live with 1.x for now (as I have work I'm 5 days behind on already
and need to get caught up), but I would like to return to using 2.x (I
was using 2.x in Ubuntu). I'm doing my best to move all my work over to
FreeBSD.
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stop and start X server in FreeBSD 9.0

2012-10-02 Thread Istvan Gabor

Hello:

I configured FreeBSD 9.0 RELEASE with X starting automatically at boot.
I use kdm3 login manager, and it works.
I would like to make changes to xorg.conf and test the effects.
How can I stop X in a terminal temporarily?
If I kill kdm it is restarted immediately.
In openSUSE I could do this by switchiong runlevels but
I learned that FreeBSD has no runlevels.

Thanks,
Istvan

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Re: stop and start X server in FreeBSD 9.0

2012-10-02 Thread Polytropon

On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:33:50 +0200, Istvan Gabor wrote:
 Hello:
 
 I configured FreeBSD 9.0 RELEASE with X starting automatically at boot.
 I use kdm3 login manager, and it works.
 I would like to make changes to xorg.conf and test the effects.
 How can I stop X in a terminal temporarily?
 If I kill kdm it is restarted immediately.

For the desired test scenario, I'd suggest to disable KDE
(kdm) startup in /etc/rc.conf, and finally stop the related
service (from /usr/local/etc/rc.d probably). Then you can
easily use the startx command to start an X session from
a user's VT, test your settings, terminate the session,
and you'll be back in text mode.

If you are happy with your settings, re-enable KDE (kdm)
by the corresponding /etc/rc.conf entry.



 In openSUSE I could do this by switchiong runlevels but
 I learned that FreeBSD has no runlevels.

Yes, FreeBSD uses the rc.d mechanism (see man 8 rc for details).



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Re: stop and start X server in FreeBSD 9.0

2012-10-02 Thread Mike Clarke

On Tuesday 02 October 2012 14:49:54 Polytropon wrote:

 For the desired test scenario, I'd suggest to disable KDE
 (kdm) startup in /etc/rc.conf, and finally stop the related
 service (from /usr/local/etc/rc.d probably). Then you can
 easily use the startx command to start an X session from
 a user's VT, test your settings, terminate the session,
 and you'll be back in text mode.

The OP is using kdm3 which is normally  managed through /etc/ttys instead of 
an rc script.

To stop kdm3:

* edit /etc/ttys, find the line 'ttyv8   /usr/local/bin/kdm xterm on secure' 
and changie on to off
* kill -1 1
* killall kdm-bin

To restart

* edit /etc/ttys and change off back to on for kdm
* kill -1 1

But it isn't necessary to do all this just to pick up changes in xorg.conf. 
Just make your desired changes to xorg.conf, then log out of kde and switch 
to a console as root and killall kdm-bin. This will stop and start X as well 
as kdm.

You can do all this from a terminal window in your kde session but I prefer to 
logout cleanly instead of having the rug pulled from under my feet which has 
sometimes corruptedf my kdmrc file.

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Re: stop and start X server in FreeBSD 9.0

2012-10-02 Thread Istvan Gabor

Polytropon, Mike,

Thank for your answers.


2012. október 2. 17:29 napon Mike Clarke jmc-freeb...@milibyte.co.uk írta:

 On Tuesday 02 October 2012 14:49:54 Polytropon wrote:
 
  For the desired test scenario, I'd suggest to disable KDE
  (kdm) startup in /etc/rc.conf, and finally stop the related
  service (from /usr/local/etc/rc.d probably). Then you can
  easily use the startx command to start an X session from
  a user's VT, test your settings, terminate the session,
  and you'll be back in text mode.
 
 The OP is using kdm3 which is normally  managed through /etc/ttys instead of 
 an rc script.
 
 To stop kdm3:
 
 * edit /etc/ttys, find the line 'ttyv8   /usr/local/bin/kdm xterm on 
 secure' 
 and changie on to off

I did this one before. I hoped I could make it without editing ttys every time.

 * kill -1 1
 * killall kdm-bin

Thanks for pointing out which program has to be killed.

 
 To restart
 
 * edit /etc/ttys and change off back to on for kdm
 * kill -1 1
 
 But it isn't necessary to do all this just to pick up changes in xorg.conf. 
 Just make your desired changes to xorg.conf, then log out of kde and switch 
 to a console as root and killall kdm-bin. This will stop and start X as well 
 as kdm.
 
 You can do all this from a terminal window in your kde session but I prefer 
 to 
 logout cleanly instead of having the rug pulled from under my feet which has 
 sometimes corruptedf my kdmrc file.
 

I guess this is the way to go. Thanks!

Istvan



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Re: Please help me diagnose this crazy VMWare/FreeBSD 8.x crash

2012-10-01 Thread guy . helmer

On Wednesday, June 6, 2012 8:36:04 PM UTC-5, Mark Felder wrote:
 Hi guys I'm excitedly posting this from my phone. Good news for you guys, bad 
 news for us -- we were building HA storage on vmware for a client and can now 
 replicate the crash on demand. I'll be posting details when I get home to my 
 PC tonight, but this hopefully is enough to replicate the crash for any 
 curious followers:
 
 
 
 ESXi 5
 
 9 or 9-STABLE
 
 HAST 
 
 1 cpu is fine
 
 1GB of ram
 
 UFS SUJ on HAST device
 
 No special loader.conf, sysctl, etc
 
 No need for VMWare tools
 
 Run Bonnie++ on the HAST device
 
 
 
 We can get the crash to happen on the first run of bonnie++ right now. I'll 
 post the exact specs and precise command run in the PR. We found an old post 
 from 2004 when we looked up the process state obtained from CTRL+T -- flswai 
 -- which describes the symptoms nearly perfectly.
 
 
 
  http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2004-02/0250.html 
 
 
 
 Hopefully this gets us closer to a fix...

Is this a crash or a hang? Over the past couple of weeks, I've been working 
with a FreeBSD 9.1RC1 system under VMware ESXi 5.0 with a 64GB UFS root FS and 
2TB ZFS filesystem mounted via a virtual LSI SAS interface. Sometimes during 
heavy I/O load (rsync from other servers) on the ZFS FS, this shows up in 
/var/log/messages:

Sep 21 02:14:55 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): WRITE(10). CDB: 2a 0 5 ee 60 
16 0 1 0 0 
Sep 21 02:14:55 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error
Sep 21 02:14:55 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): SCSI status: Busy
Sep 21 02:14:55 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): Retrying command
Sep 21 02:18:44 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): WRITE(10). CDB: 2a 0 3 ef 42 
51 0 1 0 0 
Sep 21 02:18:44 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error
Sep 21 02:18:44 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): SCSI status: Busy
Sep 21 02:18:44 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): Retrying command
Sep 21 02:18:48 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): WRITE(10). CDB: 2a 0 3 ef 64 
51 0 1 0 0 
Sep 21 02:18:48 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error
Sep 21 02:18:48 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): SCSI status: Busy
Sep 21 02:18:48 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): Retrying command
Sep 21 02:18:49 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): WRITE(10). CDB: 2a 0 3 ef 66 
51 0 1 0 0 
Sep 21 02:18:49 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error
Sep 21 02:18:49 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): SCSI status: Busy
...
Sep 21 05:06:18 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): WRITE(10). CDB: 2a 0 41 f3 94 
99 0 1 0 0 
Sep 21 05:06:18 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error
Sep 21 05:06:18 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): SCSI status: Busy
Sep 21 05:06:18 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): Retrying command

These have been happening roughly every other day.

mpt0 and em0 were sharing int 18, so today I put 
hint.mpt.0.msi_enable=1
into /boot/devices.hints and rebooted; now mpt0 is using int 256. I'll see if 
it helps.

Guy
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Re: Please help me diagnose this crazy VMWare/FreeBSD 8.x crash

2012-10-01 Thread Mark Felder


On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 15:00:40 -0500, guy.hel...@gmail.com wrote:



Sep 21 02:14:55 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): WRITE(10). CDB: 2a 0 5  
ee 60 16 0 1 0 0
Sep 21 02:14:55 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): CAM status: SCSI  
Status Error

Sep 21 02:14:55 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): SCSI status: Busy
Sep 21 02:14:55 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): Retrying command
Sep 21 02:18:44 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): WRITE(10). CDB: 2a 0 3  
ef 42 51 0 1 0 0
Sep 21 02:18:44 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): CAM status: SCSI  
Status Error

Sep 21 02:18:44 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): SCSI status: Busy
Sep 21 02:18:44 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): Retrying command
Sep 21 02:18:48 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): WRITE(10). CDB: 2a 0 3  
ef 64 51 0 1 0 0
Sep 21 02:18:48 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): CAM status: SCSI  
Status Error

Sep 21 02:18:48 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): SCSI status: Busy
Sep 21 02:18:48 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): Retrying command
Sep 21 02:18:49 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): WRITE(10). CDB: 2a 0 3  
ef 66 51 0 1 0 0
Sep 21 02:18:49 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): CAM status: SCSI  
Status Error

Sep 21 02:18:49 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): SCSI status: Busy
...
Sep 21 05:06:18 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): WRITE(10). CDB: 2a 0  
41 f3 94 99 0 1 0 0
Sep 21 05:06:18 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): CAM status: SCSI  
Status Error

Sep 21 05:06:18 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): SCSI status: Busy
Sep 21 05:06:18 backups kernel: (da1:mpt0:0:1:0): Retrying command



Sometimes you'll see this before a crash, but not every time.
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Re: FreeBSD 8.x sysisntall dists

2012-09-27 Thread Rick Miller

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Devin Teske devin.te...@fisglobal.com wrote:


 All patched.

 http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/240972

 Can you test? I'll close the PR upon success.

Success!  Thanks!

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Re: FreeBSD 8.x sysisntall dists

2012-09-27 Thread Devin Teske


On Sep 27, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Rick Miller wrote:

 On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Devin Teske devin.te...@fisglobal.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 All patched.
 
 http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/240972
 
 Can you test? I'll close the PR upon success.
 
 Success!  Thanks!
 

Excellent! Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
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P.S. Closed PR (no releases to MFS)

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FreeBSD 8.x sysisntall dists

2012-09-26 Thread Rick Miller

Hi All,

I performed a `make release` with FreeBSD 8.3p4 sources that built a
secondary kernel (called DEBUG).  It ended up in the release inside
kernels/ as expected.  The install.cfg file includes the line:

dists=base kernels GENERIC SMP DEBUG doc catpages

DEBUG was added to the above along with the new release build.  All
distributions get installed with the exception of DEBUG.  In looking
through sysinstall sources (I am not much of a C programmer to begin
with) and it appears as though the sources need to be modified to
support a new DEBUG distribution.

I wonder if you might be able to confirm or refute this...

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RE: FreeBSD 8.x sysisntall dists

 -Original Message-
 From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-
 questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Rick Miller
 Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 11:29 AM
 To: FreeBSD Questions
 Subject: FreeBSD 8.x sysisntall dists

 Hi All,

 I performed a `make release` with FreeBSD 8.3p4 sources that built a
 secondary kernel (called DEBUG).  It ended up in the release inside
 kernels/ as expected.  The install.cfg file includes the line:

 dists=base kernels GENERIC SMP DEBUG doc catpages

 DEBUG was added to the above along with the new release build.  All
 distributions get installed with the exception of DEBUG.  In looking
 through sysinstall sources (I am not much of a C programmer to begin
 with) and it appears as though the sources need to be modified to
 support a new DEBUG distribution.

 I wonder if you might be able to confirm or refute this...

I'll take this.
-- 
Devin

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RE: FreeBSD 8.x sysisntall dists

 -Original Message-
 From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-
 questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Rick Miller
 Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 11:29 AM
 To: FreeBSD Questions
 Subject: FreeBSD 8.x sysisntall dists

 Hi All,

 I performed a `make release` with FreeBSD 8.3p4 sources that built a
 secondary kernel (called DEBUG).  It ended up in the release inside
 kernels/ as expected.  The install.cfg file includes the line:

 dists=base kernels GENERIC SMP DEBUG doc catpages

 DEBUG was added to the above along with the new release build.  All
 distributions get installed with the exception of DEBUG.  In looking
 through sysinstall sources (I am not much of a C programmer to begin
 with) and it appears as though the sources need to be modified to
 support a new DEBUG distribution.

 I wonder if you might be able to confirm or refute this...

Confirmed. I'll raise a PR with a patch to correct this.
-- 
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Re: FreeBSD 8.x sysisntall dists

2012-09-26 Thread Rick Miller

 dists=base kernels GENERIC SMP DEBUG doc catpages

 DEBUG was added to the above along with the new release build.  All
 distributions get installed with the exception of DEBUG.  In looking
 through sysinstall sources (I am not much of a C programmer to begin
 with) and it appears as though the sources need to be modified to
 support a new DEBUG distribution.

 I wonder if you might be able to confirm or refute this...


 Confirmed. I'll raise a PR with a patch to correct this.

Awesome!  Thanks for the quick reply, Devin!  If you don't mind, will
you pass on the PR so I can track it?  I am also considering
approaching one of our developers to ask if they can write a patch,
would that be helpful?

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RE: FreeBSD 8.x sysisntall dists

2012-09-26 Thread Devin Teske

 -Original Message-
 From: vrwmil...@gmail.com [mailto:vrwmil...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Rick
 Miller
 Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 11:47 AM
 To: dte...@freebsd.org
 Cc: FreeBSD Questions
 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.x sysisntall dists

  dists=base kernels GENERIC SMP DEBUG doc catpages

  DEBUG was added to the above along with the new release build.  All
  distributions get installed with the exception of DEBUG.  In looking
  through sysinstall sources (I am not much of a C programmer to begin
  with) and it appears as though the sources need to be modified to
  support a new DEBUG distribution.

  I wonder if you might be able to confirm or refute this...

  Confirmed. I'll raise a PR with a patch to correct this.

 Awesome!  Thanks for the quick reply, Devin!  If you don't mind, will
 you pass on the PR so I can track it?

Sure, no prob. It should appear in GNATS within 15-20 minutes. I'll get you the
PR number when I get my response from GNATS.

  I am also considering
 approaching one of our developers to ask if they can write a patch,
 would that be helpful?

No need. Patch is already written.

I'll be submitting it to my mentor for review/approval shortly.
-- 
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RE: FreeBSD 8.x sysisntall dists

 -Original Message-
 From: Devin Teske [mailto:devin.te...@fisglobal.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:04 PM
 To: 'Rick Miller'; dte...@freebsd.org
 Cc: 'FreeBSD Questions'
 Subject: RE: FreeBSD 8.x sysisntall dists

  -Original Message-
  From: vrwmil...@gmail.com [mailto:vrwmil...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Rick
  Miller
  Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 11:47 AM
  To: dte...@freebsd.org
  Cc: FreeBSD Questions
  Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.x sysisntall dists

   dists=base kernels GENERIC SMP DEBUG doc catpages

   DEBUG was added to the above along with the new release build.  All
   distributions get installed with the exception of DEBUG.  In looking
   through sysinstall sources (I am not much of a C programmer to begin
   with) and it appears as though the sources need to be modified to
   support a new DEBUG distribution.

   I wonder if you might be able to confirm or refute this...

   Confirmed. I'll raise a PR with a patch to correct this.

  Awesome!  Thanks for the quick reply, Devin!  If you don't mind, will
  you pass on the PR so I can track it?

 Sure, no prob. It should appear in GNATS within 15-20 minutes. I'll get you
the
 PR number when I get my response from GNATS.

bin/172096: sysinstall does not support new DEBUG kernel distribution in 8.x

   I am also considering
  approaching one of our developers to ask if they can write a patch,
  would that be helpful?

 No need. Patch is already written.

 I'll be submitting it to my mentor for review/approval shortly.

Submitted.
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Re: FreeBSD 8.x sysisntall dists

2012-09-26 Thread Rick Miller

  
   Confirmed. I'll raise a PR with a patch to correct this.
 
  Awesome!  Thanks for the quick reply, Devin!  If you don't mind, will
  you pass on the PR so I can track it?

 Sure, no prob. It should appear in GNATS within 15-20 minutes. I'll get you
 the
 PR number when I get my response from GNATS.


 bin/172096: sysinstall does not support new DEBUG kernel distribution in 8.x


   I am also considering
  approaching one of our developers to ask if they can write a patch,
  would that be helpful?
 

 No need. Patch is already written.

 I'll be submitting it to my mentor for review/approval shortly.

 Submitted.

Excellent, thanks!
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